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Post by henry on Mar 29, 2020 20:38:09 GMT
Anyway
If 3 different households self isolate for 14 days and everybody shows no symptoms, whats wrong with those 3 households all meeting up in one of the houses and having a big party, provided they can all get there without coming into 2M of anyone else ?
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Post by theincontinents on Mar 29, 2020 20:43:21 GMT
henry said:
All them workers who had to take up shit employment contracts or get sacked and you (i say you in case you are supermarket management)can't get them to stack a fucking shelf.
let me ask you something have you on any of your work colleagues had a whip round to buy someone a kettle who is housebound for 12 weeks cause their kettle had broken... Are you walking to housebound people every day with groceries they need to survive until you do this everyday you can comment on what is going on in retail
dexta said:
I am shielding a 78 year old who i have to do shopping for as well as working 40 hours a week, along with normal family life, why ?
So to alleviate the boredom of lockdown I copied and pasted all the above into Google translate and it’s normally quite reliable, but with this lot it was completely unable to decipher which language to use 😜
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 20:44:46 GMT
Anyway If 3 different households self isolate for 14 days and everybody shows no symptoms, whats wrong with those 3 households all meeting up in one of the houses and having a big party, provided they can all get there without coming into 2M of anyone else ? Nothing probably. You'd have to trust that all those people in each household were definitely isolating all the time though. If only one of the people was venturing out unnecessarily, you'd risk infecting all. And even if everyone was isolating properly, it just takes one person to go to the supermarket, pick it up from a contaminated surface, and then a get together infects everyone. I know I wouldn't risk my familys health by having others round. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 29, 2020 20:47:03 GMT
Anyway If 3 different households self isolate for 14 days and everybody shows no symptoms, whats wrong with those 3 households all meeting up in one of the houses and having a big party, provided they can all get there without coming into 2M of anyone else ? Because you have no idea what you’ve had until you’ve been tested. I’m in touch with a few folk & when you get it you know it! I’m |
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Post by henry on Mar 29, 2020 20:50:05 GMT
Anyway If 3 different households self isolate for 14 days and everybody shows no symptoms, whats wrong with those 3 households all meeting up in one of the houses and having a big party, provided they can all get there without coming into 2M of anyone else ? Nothing probably. You'd have to trust that all those people in each household were definitely isolating all the time though. If only one of the people was venturing out unnecessarily, you'd risk infecting all. And even if everyone was isolating properly, it just takes one person to go to the supermarket, pick it up from a contaminated surface, and then a get together infects everyone. I know I wouldn't risk my familys health by having others round. No, the situation is no one has had contact with anyone else outside the households for 14 days prior to the party. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 29, 2020 20:50:16 GMT
Theres got to be some thought put into a Make British Buy British campain when this is all over. They won't pay for UK manufactured goods,at least they wouldn't for the past 23 years. I hope if some good comes out of this it might be the realisation that we can’t rely on the rest of the world for cheaper, imported goods. For a number of reasons we have sleep walked into this and it was obvious that the moment key items are sourced beyond our shores you will have problems when it can’t come into the country. Everyone has played a part in this position ranging from governments not supporting national industries and allowing keys industries to be picked up and stripped by other countries, unions for making competition difficult and the great British public wanting stuff cheap and unwilling to pay for quality. I hope that aside from a longer term investment into the NHS, this crisis also brings about a review of what key industries and products are critical to the national infrastructure and accordingly are brought solely back into U.K. We used to supply the world with so many things, now we are just a service nation with great design and development at home, but who manufactures on the cheap elsewhere....time to redress the balance. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 20:56:37 GMT
They won't pay for UK manufactured goods,at least they wouldn't for the past 23 years. I hope if some good comes out of this it might be the realisation that we can’t rely on the rest of the world for cheaper, imported goods. For a number of reasons we have sleep walked into this and it was obvious that the moment key items are sourced beyond our shores you will have problems when it can’t come into the country. Everyone has played a part in this position ranging from governments not supporting national industries and allowing keys industries to be picked up and stripped by other countries, unions for making competition difficult and the great British public wanting stuff cheap and unwilling to pay for quality. I hope that aside from a longer term investment into the NHS, this crisis also brings about a review of what key industries and products are critical to the national infrastructure and accordingly are brought solely back into U.K. We used to supply the world with so many things, now we are just a service nation with great design and development at home, but who manufactures on the cheap elsewhere....time to redress the balance. Most of which was just rejected at the polling stations in December..... |
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 29, 2020 20:57:47 GMT
Italy update. 756 dead today. Accelerating outside of Lombardy now, especially the south. I'm not seeing terrifying numbers there yet, intensive care #s actually dropped from 350 to 348 and there were 40 deaths across the whole south, which has 50% more people than Lombardy. Outside of the big news areas I was worried about Piemonte which is looking a bit ominous but it's still not clear if it'll go really bad. A lot of Turin Tech grad students do internships at my work & I love a load of them so maybe I'm looking a little too hard at it though. Do you know anything about how well people are following the lockdown in the south? The stereotype says they won't be doing as well... Not a clue mate, I've not checked the figures myself but quoted the governor of Calabria. |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 29, 2020 21:00:43 GMT
They won't pay for UK manufactured goods,at least they wouldn't for the past 23 years. I hope if some good comes out of this it might be the realisation that we can’t rely on the rest of the world for cheaper, imported goods. For a number of reasons we have sleep walked into this and it was obvious that the moment key items are sourced beyond our shores you will have problems when it can’t come into the country. Everyone has played a part in this position ranging from governments not supporting national industries and allowing keys industries to be picked up and stripped by other countries, unions for making competition difficult and the great British public wanting stuff cheap and unwilling to pay for quality. I hope that aside from a longer term investment into the NHS, this crisis also brings about a review of what key industries and products are critical to the national infrastructure and accordingly are brought solely back into U.K. We used to supply the world with so many things, now we are just a service nation with great design and development at home, but who manufactures on the cheap elsewhere....time to redress the balance. No good will come from this. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 21:00:54 GMT
They won't pay for UK manufactured goods,at least they wouldn't for the past 23 years. I hope if some good comes out of this it might be the realisation that we can’t rely on the rest of the world for cheaper, imported goods. For a number of reasons we have sleep walked into this and it was obvious that the moment key items are sourced beyond our shores you will have problems when it can’t come into the country. Everyone has played a part in this position ranging from governments not supporting national industries and allowing keys industries to be picked up and stripped by other countries, unions for making competition difficult and the great British public wanting stuff cheap and unwilling to pay for quality. I hope that aside from a longer term investment into the NHS, this crisis also brings about a review of what key industries and products are critical to the national infrastructure and accordingly are brought solely back into U.K. We used to supply the world with so many things, now we are just a service nation with great design and development at home, but who manufactures on the cheap elsewhere....time to redress the balance. We simply have to change. And I do apologise to bring Brexit into this but I’m going to. It’s where I could have got Brexit had we done it for doing stuff like this. Like the whole ferry thing. We have shipyards in this country and it’s clear we would need ferries, use British shipyards to build the ferries you need. Instead we got a made up company with no ships for it and the plan for Brexit is clearly a European Singapore. I really hope that this whole tragedy will make what should be important come to the fore. The NHS, community, being as self sufficient as you can be etc. I don’t think it will though. It should also amplify that we can’t trust China and the USA as far as we can throw them. Again it won’t. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 21:07:51 GMT
I hope if some good comes out of this it might be the realisation that we can’t rely on the rest of the world for cheaper, imported goods. For a number of reasons we have sleep walked into this and it was obvious that the moment key items are sourced beyond our shores you will have problems when it can’t come into the country. Everyone has played a part in this position ranging from governments not supporting national industries and allowing keys industries to be picked up and stripped by other countries, unions for making competition difficult and the great British public wanting stuff cheap and unwilling to pay for quality. I hope that aside from a longer term investment into the NHS, this crisis also brings about a review of what key industries and products are critical to the national infrastructure and accordingly are brought solely back into U.K. We used to supply the world with so many things, now we are just a service nation with great design and development at home, but who manufactures on the cheap elsewhere....time to redress the balance. We simply have to change. And I do apologise to bring Brexit into this but I’m going to. It’s where I could have got Brexit had we done it for doing stuff like this. Like the whole ferry thing. We have shipyards in this country and it’s clear we would need ferries, use British shipyards to build the ferries you need. Instead we got a made up company with no ships for it and the plan for Brexit is clearly a European Singapore. I really hope that this whole tragedy will make what should be important come to the fore. The NHS, community, being as self sufficient as you can be etc. I don’t think it will though. It should also amplify that we can’t trust China and the USA as far as we can throw them. Again it won’t. I'll forgive you because that is a very sensible post apart from you don't know that it won't. It might. |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 29, 2020 21:17:01 GMT
I hope if some good comes out of this it might be the realisation that we can’t rely on the rest of the world for cheaper, imported goods. For a number of reasons we have sleep walked into this and it was obvious that the moment key items are sourced beyond our shores you will have problems when it can’t come into the country. Everyone has played a part in this position ranging from governments not supporting national industries and allowing keys industries to be picked up and stripped by other countries, unions for making competition difficult and the great British public wanting stuff cheap and unwilling to pay for quality. I hope that aside from a longer term investment into the NHS, this crisis also brings about a review of what key industries and products are critical to the national infrastructure and accordingly are brought solely back into U.K. We used to supply the world with so many things, now we are just a service nation with great design and development at home, but who manufactures on the cheap elsewhere....time to redress the balance. We simply have to change. And I do apologise to bring Brexit into this but I’m going to. It’s where I could have got Brexit had we done it for doing stuff like this. Like the whole ferry thing. We have shipyards in this country and it’s clear we would need ferries, use British shipyards to build the ferries you need. Instead we got a made up company with no ships for it and the plan for Brexit is clearly a European Singapore. I really hope that this whole tragedy will make what should be important come to the fore. The NHS, community, being as self sufficient as you can be etc. I don’t think it will though. It should also amplify that we can’t trust China and the USA as far as we can throw them. Again it won’t. If anything this episode will make things worse. The rich will get richer and the poor get poorer. The bullshit and propaganda will soon dissipate into a cold fog of mega austerity... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 21:30:18 GMT
We simply have to change. And I do apologise to bring Brexit into this but I’m going to. It’s where I could have got Brexit had we done it for doing stuff like this. Like the whole ferry thing. We have shipyards in this country and it’s clear we would need ferries, use British shipyards to build the ferries you need. Instead we got a made up company with no ships for it and the plan for Brexit is clearly a European Singapore. I really hope that this whole tragedy will make what should be important come to the fore. The NHS, community, being as self sufficient as you can be etc. I don’t think it will though. It should also amplify that we can’t trust China and the USA as far as we can throw them. Again it won’t. I'll forgive you because that is a very sensible post apart from you don't know that it won't. It might. “We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 21:35:17 GMT
I'll forgive you because that is a very sensible post apart from you don't know that it won't. It might. “We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. But things have fundamentally changed. 'We' have just watched Boris Johnson's Chancellor spend the best part of half a trillion pounds on assistance for the poor, out of work and needy. Who would have thought that in December? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 21:39:03 GMT
“We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. But things have fundamentally changed. 'We' have just watched Boris Johnson's Chancellor spend the best part of half a trillion pounds on assistance for the poor, out of work and needy. Who would have thought that in December? True but I think he has to if he wants a functioning country to lead. |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 29, 2020 21:41:32 GMT
“We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. But things have fundamentally changed. 'We' have just watched Boris Johnson's Chancellor spend the best part of half a trillion pounds on assistance for the poor, out of work and needy. Who would have thought that in December? He really hadn't got much choice. This is beyond politics at the moment. But like all things will be defined and decided by politics in the end. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 29, 2020 21:41:43 GMT
“We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. But things have fundamentally changed. 'We' have just watched Boris Johnson's Chancellor spend the best part of half a trillion pounds on assistance for the poor, out of work and needy. Who would have thought that in December? That's the weird thing, Tories have become Labour on steroids but Labour supporters don't like it, weird times  |
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Post by Gods on Mar 29, 2020 21:50:29 GMT
I hope if some good comes out of this it might be the realisation that we can’t rely on the rest of the world for cheaper, imported goods. For a number of reasons we have sleep walked into this and it was obvious that the moment key items are sourced beyond our shores you will have problems when it can’t come into the country. Everyone has played a part in this position ranging from governments not supporting national industries and allowing keys industries to be picked up and stripped by other countries, unions for making competition difficult and the great British public wanting stuff cheap and unwilling to pay for quality. I hope that aside from a longer term investment into the NHS, this crisis also brings about a review of what key industries and products are critical to the national infrastructure and accordingly are brought solely back into U.K. We used to supply the world with so many things, now we are just a service nation with great design and development at home, but who manufactures on the cheap elsewhere....time to redress the balance. No good will come from this. Indeed it won't. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 21:57:53 GMT
But things have fundamentally changed. 'We' have just watched Boris Johnson's Chancellor spend the best part of half a trillion pounds on assistance for the poor, out of work and needy. Who would have thought that in December? This is beyond politics at the moment. But like all things will be defined and decided by politics in the end. But that's not the point. He has done it and it will take a lot to untangle it. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 29, 2020 22:02:14 GMT
I'll forgive you because that is a very sensible post apart from you don't know that it won't. It might. “We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. Make that 10 years with the state of the Labrador Party as it is, not sure what you expect this hell has been thrust on the World by Communist China with little or no warning, your anger should be directed at the oppressive, lying bastards who rule over the PRC they are responsible for this Worldwide shitstorm, they have the blood of possibly millions on their hands. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:07:53 GMT
“We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. Make that 10 years with the state of the Labrador Party as it is, not sure what you expect this hell has been thrust on the World by Communist China with little or no warning, your anger should be directed at the oppressive, lying bastards who rule over the PRC they are responsible for this Worldwide shitstorm, they have the blood of possibly millions on their hands.  |
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Post by march4 on Mar 29, 2020 22:08:23 GMT
Not realised how much I relied on televised sport to provide some entertainment.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 22:11:06 GMT
“We” just voted for 5 years of exactly the opposite. It won’t happen. Make that 10 years with the state of the Labrador Party as it is, not sure what you expect this hell has been thrust on the World by Communist China with little or no warning, your anger should be directed at the oppressive, lying bastards who rule over the PRC they are responsible for this Worldwide shitstorm, they have the blood of possibly millions on their hands. Shut up |
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 29, 2020 22:39:33 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing.
There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much;
1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer.
2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries.
3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK.
When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker.
I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:44:29 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing. There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much; 1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer. 2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries. 3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK. When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker. I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel. Wasn't a clear decision made by Thatcher's Govt that our days of heavy industry and manufacture were over, the future lay in service, high tech and finance. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 29, 2020 22:45:38 GMT
Too many people bickering with eachother on here.
People are dying and you're arguing about stacking shelves at supermarkets.
Should be looking at the government and their bullshit handling of the escalating situation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 23:00:25 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing. There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much; 1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer. 2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries. 3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK. When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker. I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel. I agree on the whole but the lack of buying British has led by successive governments hasn’t it? It’s a social construct led by them. Just a note on working from home though. What a load of fucking shite it is. That lack of social interaction with a bunch of folk I get on so well is absolutely awful. I just we don’t go too much towards because I don’t think it’s a good thing. I think it’s shown people can be flexible and do it more but I hope it doesn’t become the default. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 23:12:29 GMT
It’s not hindsight is it. You're a tiresome idiot and I'm bored with your shite. Good night. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 0:10:53 GMT
There are some clever fuckers in this country 👍 Mercedes F1 team have reversed engineered CPAP machines which are being had as an intermediate treatment to get less people needing ventilators. Hopefully they’re a great success. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52087002 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 30, 2020 1:19:27 GMT
Indeed ... on their way out to the countryside. Or the supermarket Short journey = less chance of an accident. Going to buy food = less chance of starving to death. |
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