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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 12:48:59 GMT
I agree the procurement of PPE is a shocking mess but it was hardly the NHS approaching this internet fetish site to buy up all it's 'Naughty Nurse' outfits as the tweet made out was it? The way I have read it is that the company made the first move and NHS procurement were only to happy to liaise with them such is the desperation. This is from two weeks ago. www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/16/not-fit-for-purpose-uk-medics-condemn-covid-19-protectionDisgusting. 'Lambs to the slaughter' indeed. That is probably close to the truth. But if it was being offered and was suitable why on earth wouldn't they accept it? But that isn't what the quoted tweet said was it? It implied the Government procurement department had been trawling the website of an online medical fetish company in order to purchase PPE from them. That clearly wasn't the case and the tweet is either politically or publicity motivated, or both. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 12:50:33 GMT
If that's true it is a scandal. Other than repatriation flights no flights should be landing at UK airports. To be fair, quite a few on that thread seem to be questioning it as some have said they WERE cargo and repatriation flights. I always feel far more fact checking is needed on tweets like this, before castigating the subject matter of the tweet itself i.e. if they'd said "And i've checked and they WERE all standard commercial flights" then fair enough, i'd agree it's terrible and should be called out...but there's a distinct lack of factual evidence put forward at all here, which makes it seem more of a tabloid/clickbait/get me some retweets tweet than anything else. EDIT:To stress, if they ARE standard flights then as i said, it's deserves to be called out and it disgraceful (before anyone conveniently ignores that part of the original post) Hence I said 'If it's true'. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 29, 2020 12:54:26 GMT
To be fair, quite a few on that thread seem to be questioning it as some have said they WERE cargo and repatriation flights. I always feel far more fact checking is needed on tweets like this, before castigating the subject matter of the tweet itself i.e. if they'd said "And i've checked and they WERE all standard commercial flights" then fair enough, i'd agree it's terrible and should be called out...but there's a distinct lack of factual evidence put forward at all here, which makes it seem more of a tabloid/clickbait/get me some retweets tweet than anything else. EDIT:To stress, if they ARE standard flights then as i said, it's deserves to be called out and it disgraceful (before anyone conveniently ignores that part of the original post) Hence I said 'If it's true'. Yes mate. It was actually you saying that in the first place that made me think "Actually, he's right with the 'if' part" and led me to check out the tweet's thread more, rather than simply taking it at face value. Something we should all do really in the social media age, especially at the moment where millions are treating this crisis merely as a way to improve their popularity standings on social media platforms. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 29, 2020 12:57:50 GMT
It's insane. As one health professional said to me on Thursday, I don't want fucking applause I want a fucking mask. And on this I wholeheartedly agree. Seems to be a bit of a problem everywhere |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 13:02:28 GMT
That is probably close to the truth. But if it was being offered and was suitable why on earth wouldn't they accept it? But that isn't what the quoted tweet said was it? It implied the Government procurement department had been trawling the website of an online medical fetish company in order to purchase PPE from them. That clearly wasn't the case and the tweet is either politically or publicity motivated, or both. Same difference though. Those people we clapped and apparently value so highly are being forced to treat us wearing items sourced from an on-line mucky books shop. |
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Post by drfootball on Mar 29, 2020 13:04:29 GMT
Buying anything from the far east in quantity usually has a lead time of between 16 and 20 weeks including shipping,as the 1st cases in China became known around the last week of December it's a little harsh to blame this or any government for not having unlimited supplies in the 4th week of March. Hindsight's a wonderful thing. Hindsight my arse. It’s a decade of underfunding. When the NHS pays its chief execs c500k a year, I'd suggest it's the allocation of funding that's an issue. They can waste money like you wouldn't believe,it was the same under Labour so this isn't a political thing,just how it is. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2020 13:05:38 GMT
Allready talk of tax hikes ,& double N.I.
Welcome to slave britain
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 13:06:02 GMT
That is probably close to the truth. But if it was being offered and was suitable why on earth wouldn't they accept it? But that isn't what the quoted tweet said was it? It implied the Government procurement department had been trawling the website of an online medical fetish company in order to purchase PPE from them. That clearly wasn't the case and the tweet is either politically or publicity motivated, or both. Same difference though. Those people we clapped and apparently value so highly are being forced to treat us wearing items sourced from an on-line mucky books shop. I can't be arsed to argue semantics with you all afternoon because I know from past experience you won't admit when you're wrong. I'm off out for my daily walk with the dog. Nowhere near the Peak District. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 29, 2020 13:06:40 GMT
1,228 people have died now in the UK from figures just released,209 more yesterday apparently
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 13:08:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 13:09:42 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 13:13:51 GMT
So 7,000ish more tests and only 2,000ish more positive.
That seems down in the increase of positive cases from more tests?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2020 13:14:02 GMT
Doesn't surprise though really does it, you could say if the NHS had been funded correctly by one of the most prosperous nations in the first place the restrictions would not be as strict, furthermore the people in this country are slave driven to work tirelessly just to survive, it's in our dna to be very active and now they want us to simply just hibernate until june? Not going to happen is it You could say that if you wanted to show an amazingly naive world view and complete misunderstanding of the consequences of the virus. You'd think other countries would be pissing it too if its just a matter of the uk not funding enough diversity coordinators, gender realignments and nhs art collections, it might just be me but all those countries seem to have even more draconian restrictions. Any talk of funding can be taken up afterwards but the idea that any amount spent would have been anything other than pissing in the wind in the face of a pandemic is crackers, the nhs england guy said the actions they have taken re staff, temp facilities, cancelling day to day ops has given them the equivalent of 50 new hospitals and that there is not a healthcare system in the world that could afford to keep 50 hospitals on standby with staff sitting around for a once in a generation event like this. As to whether it will bring about a change in attitude I imagine that will last as long as it takes for people having to put in more themselves and thats everyone none of the pretending someone else can pay for it all, I am happy to pay more in tax but I expect there to be better use made of the extra money and the current money, not everyone is though this very thread has had people saying if they dont get paid they will go out to work and if they dont get the help they think they should they would be doing cash in hand jobs, ring any bells ? I dont want to pay more tax so yes, I'll be on cash work foreigners a lot after this, they are working us to the bone and bleeding us dry for our efforts allready, more so with the tax hikes and double N.I they will put in place after this has finished. Maybe though if we didnt send £130 billion pounds out in the name of aid in the last ten years we wouldn't need to resort to draconian measures. Look how much we threw into the E.U, one of the biggest contributors, When this is over its slave britain, double tax and double N.I. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 13:17:44 GMT
You could say that if you wanted to show an amazingly naive world view and complete misunderstanding of the consequences of the virus. You'd think other countries would be pissing it too if its just a matter of the uk not funding enough diversity coordinators, gender realignments and nhs art collections, it might just be me but all those countries seem to have even more draconian restrictions. Any talk of funding can be taken up afterwards but the idea that any amount spent would have been anything other than pissing in the wind in the face of a pandemic is crackers, the nhs england guy said the actions they have taken re staff, temp facilities, cancelling day to day ops has given them the equivalent of 50 new hospitals and that there is not a healthcare system in the world that could afford to keep 50 hospitals on standby with staff sitting around for a once in a generation event like this. As to whether it will bring about a change in attitude I imagine that will last as long as it takes for people having to put in more themselves and thats everyone none of the pretending someone else can pay for it all, I am happy to pay more in tax but I expect there to be better use made of the extra money and the current money, not everyone is though this very thread has had people saying if they dont get paid they will go out to work and if they dont get the help they think they should they would be doing cash in hand jobs, ring any bells ? I dont want to pay more tax so yes, I'll be on cash work foreigners a lot after this, they are working us to the bone and bleeding us dry for our efforts allready, more so with the tax hikes and double N.I they will put in place after this has finished. Maybe though if we didnt send £130 billion pounds out in the name of aid in the last ten years we wouldn't need to resort to draconian measures. Look how much we threw into the E.U, one of the biggest contributors, When this is over its slave britain, double tax and double N.I. We got more out of being in the EU than we put in 😂 |
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Post by felonious on Mar 29, 2020 13:20:49 GMT
Doesn't surprise though really does it, you could say if the NHS had been funded correctly by one of the most prosperous nations in the first place the restrictions would not be as strict, furthermore the people in this country are slave driven to work tirelessly just to survive, it's in our dna to be very active and now they want us to simply just hibernate until june? Not going to happen is it You could say that if you wanted to show an amazingly naive world view and complete misunderstanding of the consequences of the virus. You'd think other countries would be pissing it too if its just a matter of the uk not funding enough diversity coordinators, gender realignments and nhs art collections, it might just be me but all those countries seem to have even more draconian restrictions. Any talk of funding can be taken up afterwards but the idea that any amount spent would have been anything other than pissing in the wind in the face of a pandemic is crackers, the nhs england guy said the actions they have taken re staff, temp facilities, cancelling day to day ops has given them the equivalent of 50 new hospitals and that there is not a healthcare system in the world that could afford to keep 50 hospitals on standby with staff sitting around for a once in a generation event like this. As to whether it will bring about a change in attitude I imagine that will last as long as it takes for people having to put in more themselves and thats everyone none of the pretending someone else can pay for it all, I am happy to pay more in tax but I expect there to be better use made of the extra money and the current money, not everyone is though this very thread has had people saying if they dont get paid they will go out to work and if they dont get the help they think they should they would be doing cash in hand jobs, ring any bells ? We need to have a good look at the cost of funding PFI as well and the effect that it's had over the last 10 years on NHS funding especially against the backdrop of the financial crash that happened under Labour with no money left in the Treasury..... but as you say probably best to concentrate on people's lives rather than cheap political point scoring. Edit: Lest we forget www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/12/nhs-hospital-trusts-to-pay-out-further-55bn-under-pfi-scheme |
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Post by devondumpling on Mar 29, 2020 13:21:01 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 13:21:31 GMT
Same difference though. Those people we clapped and apparently value so highly are being forced to treat us wearing items sourced from an on-line mucky books shop. I can't be arsed to argue semantics with you all afternoon because I know from past experience you won't admit when you're wrong. I'm off out for my daily walk with the dog. Nowhere near the Peak District. Well they're either wearing easy wipe gear from the nonce shop or they're not.....and they are! |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2020 13:22:21 GMT
I dont want to pay more tax so yes, I'll be on cash work foreigners a lot after this, they are working us to the bone and bleeding us dry for our efforts allready, more so with the tax hikes and double N.I they will put in place after this has finished. Maybe though if we didnt send £130 billion pounds out in the name of aid in the last ten years we wouldn't need to resort to draconian measures. Look how much we threw into the E.U, one of the biggest contributors, When this is over its slave britain, double tax and double N.I. We got more out of being in the EU than we put in 😂 We have been helping in propping up countries for years |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 13:22:34 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 29, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
I dont want to pay more tax so yes, I'll be on cash work foreigners a lot after this, they are working us to the bone and bleeding us dry for our efforts allready, more so with the tax hikes and double N.I they will put in place after this has finished. Maybe though if we didnt send £130 billion pounds out in the name of aid in the last ten years we wouldn't need to resort to draconian measures. Look how much we threw into the E.U, one of the biggest contributors, When this is over its slave britain, double tax and double N.I. We got more out of being in the EU than we put in 😂 If you don't count the £66bn annual trade deficit |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2020 13:24:26 GMT
We got more out of being in the EU than we put in 😂 If you don't count the £66bn annual trade deficit We are one of the e.u's best customers they will be begging us to trade |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 13:25:00 GMT
Our Government only relaxed regulations and red tape on the manufacture and supply of PPE yesterday. Yesterday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 13:25:09 GMT
If you don't count the £66bn annual trade deficit We are one of the e.u's best customers they will be begging us to trade 😂😂😂 |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2020 13:26:10 GMT
We are one of the e.u's best customers they will be begging us to trade 😂😂😂 So it's not true then? We import everything, if we dont import we will start manufacturing ourselves |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 13:26:13 GMT
Our Government only relaxed regulations and red tape on the manufacture and supply of PPE yesterday. Yesterday. And neither article actually has anything to do with what’s written in the one I posted. They’ve said they can do it and have what they need. They just need the govt go ahead. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 13:26:48 GMT
Our Government
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 29, 2020 13:27:42 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 29, 2020 13:27:48 GMT
I dont want to pay more tax so yes, I'll be on cash work foreigners a lot after this, they are working us to the bone and bleeding us dry for our efforts allready, more so with the tax hikes and double N.I they will put in place after this has finished. Maybe though if we didnt send £130 billion pounds out in the name of aid in the last ten years we wouldn't need to resort to draconian measures. Look how much we threw into the E.U, one of the biggest contributors, When this is over its slave britain, double tax and double N.I. We got more out of being in the EU than we put in 😂 Did we really ? That depends on whether you believe there would be any increase trade without being members. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 13:30:41 GMT
We got more out of being in the EU than we put in 😂 Did we really ? That depends on whether you believe there would be any increase trade without being members. Every study I saw said we got more out of it than we put in. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 13:33:04 GMT
A Bert and Ernie picture 
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