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Post by felonious on Mar 29, 2020 12:15:41 GMT
I don't know what's really going on, but I know viruses were always an intentional way of controlling people, hence all the movies programming people for this scenario. As for China, they are considered an enemy of the West, but they have been part of the same global club since they were brought into the WTO. Movies programming people for this scenario? So presumably, in the future we can also now expect to be terrorised by 120 foot gorillas who climb the Empire State building, Orcs and trolls to take over our 5 kingdoms and for Aliens to invade shooting death rays out of their tripods yeah? Or do you just cherry pick 4 or 5 films out of the entire history of cinema to focus on because they fit your narrative? Ignore the science, ignore the facts and let's all focus on a scenario that Karen on facebook came up with, 'cos it seems interesting. You really will get carried away by any old bullshit won't you. Weird how people who listen to science, fact and reason are labelled "sheeple" by fucking nutjobs like you, yet the ones who believe theories with literally no factual evidence to back it up are apparently the intelligent ones. Trolls have been trying to take over our kingdom for years Mick. |
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Post by starkiller on Mar 29, 2020 12:17:22 GMT
I didn't mention those films, you did Okay. Let's focus on facts. 30,000 people, those who would succumb to flu, have died in a population of 7.8 billion, yet we have all schools, pubs, businesses closed and the economy levelled off around the world. Coppers flying drones to get people in the middle of nowhere with dogs, all while flights come in and supermarkets are open with crowds of people. You have conflicting science - Oxford v Imperial college. I never mentioned 'sheeple'. You label me a 'fucking nutjob', yet there's people on social media and news sites saying that the army should shoot people for going out for a walk, with thousands of likes. Who are the nutjobs? Duh....you didn't mention those films because they don't fit your current narrative. As i said, you cherry pick 3 or 4 films out of the hundreds of thousands of films that have been made that do fit, and then say it's some proof that they're "programming people". That's precisely why i mentioned those films i.e. to illustrate what a ridiculous and pathetic point it is to base a conspiracy theory on. The words "tenuous" and "flimsy" don't even come close to describe how poor that "evidence" is. P.S. people on social media calling for that are also fucking nutjobs. That can be possible you know. It isn't just a case of "they're nutjobs so therefore i can't be while i spout bullshit about how it's all a conspiracy because Outbreak and Contagion were made years ago" Actually, no argument was built on that, it was side reference. But nevermind. My argument was built on the fact that 30,000 people have died, far less than flu, in a population of 7.8 billion and there's draconian restrictions on life and liberties never seen before. If you don't see even a tiny bit to think about in that, then okay. No problem. Stay inside indefinitely, it's probably the best place for you, especially with such uncontrollable anger. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Mar 29, 2020 12:18:13 GMT
Ever hear about the guy who drank water from the River Seine to prove it was safe and subsequently died of cholera ? Bet he thought he was being played too ! What about the death toll across the world ? Fake news ? Global conspiracy ? Agenda 21 ? I think you should tell us what you know , what's really going on. 😉 When I saw that photo, I thought the link was going to be a piece on the introduction of dwarves in the Police force. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 29, 2020 12:20:21 GMT
That tweet might be slightly disingenuous itself mate. Medfet are a 'Fetish' website ....ahem so I'm told.....  The article I read is that they voluntarily donated all their 'medical' clothing and ppe in what is clearly intimated to be a publicity stunt. Rather than the NHS approaching them. Well at least we know what Bayern does when he's not posing on here then Edit: Not sure whether to amend the typo or not.......  |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 29, 2020 12:21:08 GMT
No problem with people going for a walk or hike providing they keep a distance from others. Me neither, I've done it every day. But the issue is people driving miles to beauty spots to do it, it's ridiculous...... Why? It’s uplifting for the soul to see beauty. Do they cross infect anyone while driving there? When they park right behind another car and get out are they at least 6 ft away from others? When they are walking in a field, are they touching grocery items that someone else has just touched, using a pin pad that 1000’s have used that day? I’ve heard of people disinfecting their credit cards, but has anyone disinfected their wallet? While it is necessary to buy supplies, I think you are far less likely to be exposed to a virus while walking through the countryside than through your local supermarket. |
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Post by drfootball on Mar 29, 2020 12:23:03 GMT
That tweet might be slightly disingenuous itself mate. Medfet are a 'Fetish' website ....ahem so I'm told..... The article I read is that they voluntarily donated all their 'medical' clothing and ppe in what is clearly intimated to be a publicity stunt. I think it's fair to point out that as many items purchased by the NHS are sourced from China the supply chain has been disrupted over the past couple of months and NHS Supply Chain as well as individual trusts are attempting to buy what they need from wherever they can get it.Buyers using a search engine to find say,'facemasks' and coming up with a result of a company with Med in it's name and a green cross as a logo are likely to be confused as they're buyers not clinicians. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 29, 2020 12:24:36 GMT
Me neither, I've done it every day. But the issue is people driving miles to beauty spots to do it, it's ridiculous...... Why? It’s uplifting for the soul to see beauty. Do they cross infect anyone while driving there? When they park right behind another car and get out are they at least 6 ft away from others? When they are walking in a field, are they touching grocery items that someone else has just touched, using a pin pad that 1000’s have used that day? I’ve heard of people disinfecting their credit cards, but has anyone disinfected their wallet? While it is necessary to buy supplies, I think you are far less likely to be exposed to a virus while walking through the countryside than through your local supermarket. The point is that should they have a road traffic accident on the way there or back they will be using up much needed resources, this is mentioned numerous times further up the thread and is common sense really. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 12:25:26 GMT
Me neither, I've done it every day. But the issue is people driving miles to beauty spots to do it, it's ridiculous...... Why? It’s uplifting for the soul to see beauty. Do they cross infect anyone while driving there? When they park right behind another car and get out are they at least 6 ft away from others? When they are walking in a field, are they touching grocery items that someone else has just touched, using a pin pad that 1000’s have used that day? I’ve heard of people disinfecting their credit cards, but has anyone disinfected their wallet? While it is necessary to buy supplies, I think you are far less likely to be exposed to a virus while walking through the countryside than through your local supermarket. The problem is the mass migration to these areas, unnecessary trips to petrol stations and shops, increased and unnecessary pressure on emergency services etc. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 12:27:58 GMT
That tweet might be slightly disingenuous itself mate. Medfet are a 'Fetish' website ....ahem so I'm told..... The article I read is that they voluntarily donated all their 'medical' clothing and ppe in what is clearly intimated to be a publicity stunt. I think it's fair to point out that as many items purchased by the NHS are sourced from China the supply chain has been disrupted over the past couple of months and NHS Supply Chain as well as individual trusts are attempting to buy what they need from wherever they can get it.Buyers using a search engine to find say,'facemasks' and coming up with a result of a company with Med in it's name and a green cross as a logo are likely to be confused as they're buyers not clinicians. They haven’t been confused. There’s stories as well of FE Colleges being raided for masks from their engineering depts and gloves from the hairdressers and spas etc. The government have ballsed this. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 12:30:05 GMT
There are plenty of people on this thread who deserve the lies and terror of this Government. Just like there are similarly others who are blindly prepared to believe any anti government/Tory propaganda, whether verified or not, as long as it corroborates their sclerotic agenda's. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 12:30:45 GMT
And wtf is this about? I can’t believe we haven’t stopped all flights tbh.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2020 12:32:39 GMT
Me neither, I've done it every day. But the issue is people driving miles to beauty spots to do it, it's ridiculous...... Why? It’s uplifting for the soul to see beauty. Do they cross infect anyone while driving there? When they park right behind another car and get out are they at least 6 ft away from others? When they are walking in a field, are they touching grocery items that someone else has just touched, using a pin pad that 1000’s have used that day? I’ve heard of people disinfecting their credit cards, but has anyone disinfected their wallet? While it is necessary to buy supplies, I think you are far less likely to be exposed to a virus while walking through the countryside than through your local supermarket. Got to say I've been disinfecting my wallet, along with my keys and mobile phone on returning home. Also my front door handle & gate handle |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 12:34:00 GMT
There are plenty of people on this thread who deserve the lies and terror of this Government. Just like there are similarly others who are blindly prepared to believe any anti government/Tory propaganda, whether verified or not, as long as it corroborates their sclerotic agenda's. They did donate stock to a 'desperate' hospital in the South of England hospital who accepted it. What a country. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 29, 2020 12:34:55 GMT
Duh....you didn't mention those films because they don't fit your current narrative. As i said, you cherry pick 3 or 4 films out of the hundreds of thousands of films that have been made that do fit, and then say it's some proof that they're "programming people". That's precisely why i mentioned those films i.e. to illustrate what a ridiculous and pathetic point it is to base a conspiracy theory on. The words "tenuous" and "flimsy" don't even come close to describe how poor that "evidence" is. P.S. people on social media calling for that are also fucking nutjobs. That can be possible you know. It isn't just a case of "they're nutjobs so therefore i can't be while i spout bullshit about how it's all a conspiracy because Outbreak and Contagion were made years ago" Actually, no argument was built on that, it was side reference. But nevermind. My argument was built on the fact that 30,000 people have died, far less than flu, in a population of 7.8 billion and there's draconian restrictions on life and liberties never seen before. If you don't see even a tiny bit to think about in that, then okay. No problem. Stay inside indefinitely, it's probably the best place for you, especially with such uncontrollable anger. You've entirely missed the point of the purpose of restrictions. This isn't because it will cure people or "kill" the virus. It's simply to play for time until a vaccine can be produced. Once a vaccine is found, then in years to come by use of the vaccine (and the fact millions will have been exposed and only have had mild/no symptoms) a herd immunity will be built up, rendering these strains far less dangerous to life. The common cold, smallpox, influenza, Spanish flu etc. were originally deadly and killed massive amounts until herd immunities were built. They have been now, hence us not needing to do this everytime the flu is around. The point is that if we don't follow these restrictiona now, many more unnecessary deaths will occur as due to the speed of the spread, the health service will crumble meaning many, many people that could have been treated and WOULD have survived will die because of lack of resources. It's almost as if all of this has been previously explained by many, many scientists out there already....yet you ignore it completely. Do you think it's normal for Italy and Spain to be wheeling out 1,000 dead people a day due to the same illness? Is it a yearly occurence for so many people of all ages without any health conditions at all to be rushed into intensive care for urgent treatment? No, the people that need urgent medical treatment for the flu each year are not spread out across such a wide age range and are also spread out more thinly in terms of timeframe and therefore medical infrastructures can cope far more easily and therefore save more people. It really isn't that hard to grasp |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 29, 2020 12:35:00 GMT
There are plenty of people on this thread who deserve the lies and terror of this Government. Just like there are similarly others who are blindly prepared to believe any anti government/Tory propaganda, whether verified or not, as long as it corroborates their sclerotic agenda's. Scl erotic .Why do you Tories bring sex into it? |
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Post by drfootball on Mar 29, 2020 12:36:15 GMT
I think it's fair to point out that as many items purchased by the NHS are sourced from China the supply chain has been disrupted over the past couple of months and NHS Supply Chain as well as individual trusts are attempting to buy what they need from wherever they can get it.Buyers using a search engine to find say,'facemasks' and coming up with a result of a company with Med in it's name and a green cross as a logo are likely to be confused as they're buyers not clinicians. They haven’t been confused. There’s stories as well of FE Colleges being raided for masks from their engineering depts and gloves from the hairdressers and spas etc. The government have ballsed this. Buying anything from the far east in quantity usually has a lead time of between 16 and 20 weeks including shipping,as the 1st cases in China became known around the last week of December it's a little harsh to blame this or any government for not having unlimited supplies in the 4th week of March. Hindsight's a wonderful thing. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 12:36:24 GMT
And wtf is this about? I can’t believe we haven’t stopped all flights tbh. If that's true it is a scandal. Other than repatriation flights no flights should be landing at UK airports. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Mar 29, 2020 12:37:03 GMT
My niece who is a midwife and working her usual long shifts, only received a protective mask yesterday.
Herself and her amazing colleagues have basically resigned themselves to the fact they will probably get the virus.
Frightening.
BTW this is not a political post, just a concerned uncle's.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 29, 2020 12:38:11 GMT
Why? It’s uplifting for the soul to see beauty. Do they cross infect anyone while driving there? When they park right behind another car and get out are they at least 6 ft away from others? When they are walking in a field, are they touching grocery items that someone else has just touched, using a pin pad that 1000’s have used that day? I’ve heard of people disinfecting their credit cards, but has anyone disinfected their wallet? While it is necessary to buy supplies, I think you are far less likely to be exposed to a virus while walking through the countryside than through your local supermarket. The point is that should they have a road traffic accident on the way there or back they will be using up much needed resources, this is mentioned numerous times further up the thread and is common sense really. How many accidents have been reported? Are they more likely to have an incident needing resources if they stay cooped up at home, drinking and getting on each other’s nerves 24 hrs a day or driving into the countryside to unwind and realize those fields have been there for eons, as have people, and long after this virus has been forgotten, there will be people walking 5he fields? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 12:39:24 GMT
My niece who is a midwife and working her usual long shifts, only received a protective mask yesterday. Herself and her amazing colleagues have basically resigned themselves to the fact they will probably get the virus. Frightening. BTW this is not a political post, just a concerned uncle's. It's insane. As one health professional said to me on Thursday, I don't want fucking applause I want a fucking mask. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 12:39:50 GMT
Just like there are similarly others who are blindly prepared to believe any anti government/Tory propaganda, whether verified or not, as long as it corroborates their sclerotic agenda's. They did donate stock to a 'desperate' hospital in the South of England hospital who accepted it. What a country. I agree the procurement of PPE is a shocking mess but it was hardly the NHS approaching this internet fetish site to buy up all it's 'Naughty Nurse' outfits as the tweet made out was it? |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2020 12:41:22 GMT
And wtf is this about? I can’t believe we haven’t stopped all flights tbh. That exact tweet needs putting to the government, its hypocrisy |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 12:41:49 GMT
They haven’t been confused. There’s stories as well of FE Colleges being raided for masks from their engineering depts and gloves from the hairdressers and spas etc. The government have ballsed this. Buying anything from the far east in quantity usually has a lead time of between 16 and 20 weeks including shipping,as the 1st cases in China became known around the last week of December it's a little harsh to blame this or any government for not having unlimited supplies in the 4th week of March. Hindsight's a wonderful thing. Particularly when as it first hit China they went around the world bulk buying all the stock of PPE they could lay their hands on so that when it spread worldwide everyone else was left with a shortfall. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 12:41:59 GMT
They haven’t been confused. There’s stories as well of FE Colleges being raided for masks from their engineering depts and gloves from the hairdressers and spas etc. The government have ballsed this. Buying anything from the far east in quantity usually has a lead time of between 16 and 20 weeks including shipping,as the 1st cases in China became known around the last week of December it's a little harsh to blame this or any government for not having unlimited supplies in the 4th week of March. Hindsight's a wonderful thing. Hindsight my arse. It’s a decade of underfunding. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2020 12:42:34 GMT
They did donate stock to a 'desperate' hospital in the South of England hospital who accepted it. What a country. I agree the procurement of PPE is a shocking mess but it was hardly the NHS approaching this internet fetish site to buy up all it's 'Naughty Nurse' outfits as the tweet made out was it? The way I have read it is that the company made the first move and NHS procurement were only to happy to liaise with them such is the desperation. This is from two weeks ago. www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/16/not-fit-for-purpose-uk-medics-condemn-covid-19-protectionDisgusting. 'Lambs to the slaughter' indeed. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2020 12:43:12 GMT
My niece who is a midwife and working her usual long shifts, only received a protective mask yesterday. Herself and her amazing colleagues have basically resigned themselves to the fact they will probably get the virus. Frightening. BTW this is not a political post, just a concerned uncle's. It's insane. As one health professional said to me on Thursday, I don't want fucking applause I want a fucking mask. And on this I wholeheartedly agree. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2020 12:43:24 GMT
And wtf is this about? I can’t believe we haven’t stopped all flights tbh. If that's true it is a scandal. Other than repatriation flights no flights should be landing at UK airports. There’s loads. Flights from Rome, Madrid, LA, all the hotspots. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 29, 2020 12:44:44 GMT
And wtf is this about? I can’t believe we haven’t stopped all flights tbh. If that's true it is a scandal. Other than repatriation flights no flights should be landing at UK airports. To be fair, quite a few on that thread seem to be questioning it as some have said they WERE cargo and repatriation flights. I always feel far more fact checking is needed on tweets like this, before castigating the subject matter of the tweet itself i.e. if they'd said "And i've checked and they WERE all standard commercial flights" then fair enough, i'd agree it's terrible and should be called out...but there's a distinct lack of factual evidence put forward at all here, which makes it seem more of a tabloid/clickbait/get me some retweets tweet than anything else. EDIT:To stress, if they ARE standard flights then as i said, it's deserves to be called out and it disgraceful (before anyone conveniently ignores that part of the original post) |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 29, 2020 12:47:20 GMT
The point is that should they have a road traffic accident on the way there or back they will be using up much needed resources, this is mentioned numerous times further up the thread and is common sense really. How many accidents have been reported? Are they more likely to have an incident needing resources if they stay cooped up at home, drinking and getting on each other’s nerves 24 hrs a day or driving into the countryside to unwind and realize those fields have been there for eons, as have people, and long after this virus has been forgotten, there will be people walking 5he fields? The more traffic on the roads the more accidents there will be and the more the demand on the emergency services will be. I've no idea how many incidents have been reported but common sense indicates that there'll be far less than there would be if the roads are full of people driving to beauty spots. As for getting on each other's nerves, I don't think there's anything stopping anyone going out for a walk to calm down. As for your bit about fields, read it two or three times, didn't really understand it and lost interest, sorry. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 29, 2020 12:48:52 GMT
The Government has gone in to full on 'blame the public' mode this morning, sending weasel face Gove on the Political rounds. Doesn't surprise though really does it, you could say if the NHS had been funded correctly by one of the most prosperous nations in the first place the restrictions would not be as strict, furthermore the people in this country are slave driven to work tirelessly just to survive, it's in our dna to be very active and now they want us to simply just hibernate until june? Not going to happen is it You could say that if you wanted to show an amazingly naive world view and complete misunderstanding of the consequences of the virus. You'd think other countries would be pissing it too if its just a matter of the uk not funding enough diversity coordinators, gender realignments and nhs art collections, it might just be me but all those countries seem to have even more draconian restrictions. Any talk of funding can be taken up afterwards but the idea that any amount spent would have been anything other than pissing in the wind in the face of a pandemic is crackers, the nhs england guy said the actions they have taken re staff, temp facilities, cancelling day to day ops has given them the equivalent of 50 new hospitals and that there is not a healthcare system in the world that could afford to keep 50 hospitals on standby with staff sitting around for a once in a generation event like this. As to whether it will bring about a change in attitude I imagine that will last as long as it takes for people having to put in more themselves and thats everyone none of the pretending someone else can pay for it all, I am happy to pay more in tax but I expect there to be better use made of the extra money and the current money, not everyone is though this very thread has had people saying if they dont get paid they will go out to work and if they dont get the help they think they should they would be doing cash in hand jobs, ring any bells ? |
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