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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 28, 2020 19:44:39 GMT
How long, realistically, do we need lock down for to ensure we get back to something resembling normality sooner rather than later? 3 weeks? 4 weeks? 6? 8? More? The more I read, the more I watch, the more questions I have and the more confused I become. The big thing will be the antibody test, if we can show people have had it and now have immunity we can start getting those people back to work over the next few months and stagger it back into normality until the vaccine is ready. If that test takes longer to validate, lockdown may have to persist, but it’s risky as each week in lockdown make less and less likely to be followed risking a deadly increase as people start to ignore it. Ta. Only exams I ever failed at school was science. It bored me senseless so I just took the opportunity to piss about. Wish I'd paid more attention now  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 19:45:05 GMT
Indeed, Vallance and Whitty have said the main cause of death from potential overload would be indirect deaths caused by A and E overload and lck of care provided to patients who needed it and ventilator scarcity etc. So effectively, Coronavirus would “push them over” so to speak. Interestingly, this is what happened with the Spanish Flu, the vast majority of cases who died actually suffered from Bacterial pneumonia super-infections due to the extremely limited health services of the time being completely overloaded and the majority of patients then being cared for in squalor. Let’s hope our capacity holds, if it does, that 20k target though incredibly sad would be far less than the worst case scenario or even moderate breaches if capacity. I don't think they're talking about those who die as a result of coronavirus but not from it. ie those who can't get the care because of NHS overload and die as a result but wouldn't normally have died. But those who in a 'normal' year would have died from their illnesses anyway, however they currently happen to die. I think. If that makes sense. Correct. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 28, 2020 20:08:07 GMT
The big thing will be the antibody test, if we can show people have had it and now have immunity we can start getting those people back to work over the next few months and stagger it back into normality until the vaccine is ready. If that test takes longer to validate, lockdown may have to persist, but it’s risky as each week in lockdown make less and less likely to be followed risking a deadly increase as people start to ignore it. Ta. Only exams I ever failed at school was science. It bored me senseless so I just took the opportunity to piss about. Wish I'd paid more attention now Don’t beat yourself up about it. If you $#!t at it we don’t want you in control. As a matter of interest, what are you good at... |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 28, 2020 20:11:04 GMT
Ta. Only exams I ever failed at school was science. It bored me senseless so I just took the opportunity to piss about. Wish I'd paid more attention now Don’t beat yourself up about it. If you $#!t at it we don’t want you in control. As a matter of interest, what are you good at... Everything else |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 20:12:57 GMT
91.2% have health insurance. Many people choose not to have insurance and opt for either self-insurance ( the top 3-4% by wealth) or concierge medicine (another 2-3% - You pay your doctor a set rate every month and they keep you healthy). Of those who need insurance but can’t afford it, there are several delivery systems available to them including free clinics and regular doctors who donate x% of appointment slots to charity. Not a perfect system, but in my opinion so much more effective than trying to downgrade everything to the lowest common denominator. I'm no expert but outside of the UK I have spent more of life in the US than anywhere else. I have a lot of dear friends there, and am familiar with the stresses involved in health plans. Every time I see a GoFundMe for treatment I cant help but think half of my favourite people here I the UK would be bankrupt or dead if we had a system like the states. The NHS is chronically underfunded and its going to struggle with this but I'll take it every time over the US one. But why would they be bankrupt or dead? Is it the way the system is set-up that encourages dependence on welfare? There have been times in my life when I didn’t have a cent to my name, but I did not become bankrupt and didn’t wind up dead. I did do a lot of hunting (Gotta love those gun laws), fishing and trading to provide for my family, and we came through it stronger. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 28, 2020 20:15:34 GMT
Don’t beat yourself up about it. If you $#!t at it we don’t want you in control. As a matter of interest, what are you good at... Everything else Sales by any Chance... |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 20:16:04 GMT
Apparently there are coronaviruses, rhinoviruses and others. There's some trick for telling them apart based on what symptoms you start with - rhinoviruses make your nose go stuffy, but I can't remember the rest. Elephantviruses give you earache, giraffeviruses give you a pain in the neck... Unfortunately they all give you a pain in the butt! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 28, 2020 20:16:33 GMT
Everything else Sales by any Chance... Golf, maths, darts, law and tennis |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 20:20:34 GMT
Does the world really need to be shut down then? Is this just a huge over-reaction? I think it does Dave. Although I'm no expert. Lockdown = 20,000 deaths. No lockdown = 500,000 deaths. The 500,000 number is bullshit based on a flawed assumption. I can’t believe that there is an almost 300 page thread absolutely chock full of mis-information. If you want facts, go to Johns Hopkins site not the oatcake! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 20:22:42 GMT
I think it does Dave. Although I'm no expert. Lockdown = 20,000 deaths. No lockdown = 500,000 deaths. The 500,000 number is bullshit based on a flawed assumption. I can’t believe that there is an almost 300 page thread absolutely chock full of mis-information. If you want facts, go to Johns Hopkins site not the oatcake, or GoBoks. |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 20:23:22 GMT
Coronavirus precautions? The figure quoted was 500,000 in the Imperial Model. Real world example updated to Lombardy's last week. Average weekly deaths in Lombardy: ~2000 Deaths in hospitals attributed to coronavirus in Lombardy in the last week: ~3000 Lombardy is almost 3 weeks into its lockdown, and that death rate in the UK would be 18k/week. If we hadn't done anything then it really does look like hundreds of thousands is realistic. Sure, the Imperial study could be off by say 50% but even then we'd still have had a wrecked economy, NHS etc and tragedy on an unimaginable scale. 20k would be a blessing compared with that nightmare. The imperial study is off by a factor of 25. 2500%. Great science. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 28, 2020 20:27:57 GMT
I think it does Dave. Although I'm no expert. Lockdown = 20,000 deaths. No lockdown = 500,000 deaths. The 500,000 number is bullshit based on a flawed assumption. I can’t believe that there is an almost 300 page thread absolutely chock full of mis-information. If you want facts, go to Johns Hopkins site not the oatcake! Get away with you man. You can't really be saying that some oatcake contributors don't know everything about everything. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 28, 2020 20:28:42 GMT
Real world example updated to Lombardy's last week. Average weekly deaths in Lombardy: ~2000 Deaths in hospitals attributed to coronavirus in Lombardy in the last week: ~3000 Lombardy is almost 3 weeks into its lockdown, and that death rate in the UK would be 18k/week. If we hadn't done anything then it really does look like hundreds of thousands is realistic. Sure, the Imperial study could be off by say 50% but even then we'd still have had a wrecked economy, NHS etc and tragedy on an unimaginable scale. 20k would be a blessing compared with that nightmare. The imperial study is off by a factor of 25. 2500%. Great science. Could you point to specific numbers you think are wrong and why? Page or table numbers in the Imperial study would be handy, ta. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 20:31:48 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 28, 2020 20:35:19 GMT
Sky reporting China is to become a fortress to keep coronavirus out  , pity the lying devious repressive bastards didn't make it a fortress to keep it where it started ! are they taking the piss they are responsible for this pandemic and the destruction and death it is causing all over the World, disgusting shamless regime. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 20:37:22 GMT
Sky reporting China is to become a fortress to keep coronavirus out , pity the lying devious repressive bastards didn't make it a fortress to keep it where it started ! are they taking the piss they are responsible for this pandemic and the destruction and death it is causing all over the World, disgusting shamless regime. Don’t you like China? You’ve never said before that’s all...... |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 28, 2020 20:37:58 GMT
I'm no expert but outside of the UK I have spent more of life in the US than anywhere else. I have a lot of dear friends there, and am familiar with the stresses involved in health plans. Every time I see a GoFundMe for treatment I cant help but think half of my favourite people here I the UK would be bankrupt or dead if we had a system like the states. The NHS is chronically underfunded and its going to struggle with this but I'll take it every time over the US one. But why would they be bankrupt or dead? Is it the way the system is set-up that encourages dependence on welfare? There have been times in my life when I didn’t have a cent to my name, but I did not become bankrupt and didn’t wind up dead. I did do a lot of hunting (Gotta love those gun laws), fishing and trading to provide for my family, and we came through it stronger. And if you had got cancer when you were hunting for your tea then you fellow countrymen who are doing better fund a system to save your life and help you back to your best. As for dependence on welfare, the US government has just put through a package that is roughly 9000 bucks for every adult in the states. However around 8000 of it is going to corporations. If you wanna examine welfare dependency, US corporations are the number 1 dependants in the world. That welfare dependency is like every US adult has just been handed a credit card with a 9000 limit but with 8000 already spent. Which has to be paid off. I'd rather fund an NHS. I'll keep my society old boy. Good health to you. |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 20:39:09 GMT
The imperial study is off by a factor of 25. 2500%. Great science. Could you point to specific numbers you think are wrong and why? Page or table numbers in the Imperial study would be handy, ta. Nah, couldn’t be bothered wasting my time! Google it yourself. |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 20:42:01 GMT
But why would they be bankrupt or dead? Is it the way the system is set-up that encourages dependence on welfare? There have been times in my life when I didn’t have a cent to my name, but I did not become bankrupt and didn’t wind up dead. I did do a lot of hunting (Gotta love those gun laws), fishing and trading to provide for my family, and we came through it stronger. And if you had got cancer when you were hunting for your tea then you fellow countrymen who are doing better fund a system to save your life and help you back to your best. As for dependence on welfare, the US government has just put through a package that is roughly 9000 bucks for every adult in the states. However around 8000 of it is going to corporations. If you wanna examine welfare dependency, US corporations are the number 1 dependants in the world. That welfare dependency is like every US adult has just been handed a credit card with a 9000 limit but with 8000 already spent. Which has to be paid off. I'd rather fund an NHS. I'll keep my society old boy. Good health to you. Thanks, same to yo! I’ll keep our system thanks, which is why a one world order will never work well. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2020 20:42:19 GMT
Could you point to specific numbers you think are wrong and why? Page or table numbers in the Imperial study would be handy, ta. Nah, couldn’t be bothered wasting my time! Google it yourself. How about the numbers showing 80% of those that have been tested in the UK have been positive for the disease? |
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Post by lordb on Mar 28, 2020 21:01:52 GMT
Sky reporting China is to become a fortress to keep coronavirus out , pity the lying devious repressive bastards didn't make it a fortress to keep it where it started ! are they taking the piss they are responsible for this pandemic and the destruction and death it is causing all over the World, disgusting shamless regime. In all probability the virus was beyond China's borders before it had even been identified |
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Post by whakka on Mar 28, 2020 21:03:43 GMT
Sky reporting China is to become a fortress to keep coronavirus out , pity the lying devious repressive bastards didn't make it a fortress to keep it where it started ! are they taking the piss they are responsible for this pandemic and the destruction and death it is causing all over the World, disgusting shamless regime. all chinese assets abroad should be seized |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 21:23:08 GMT
Sky reporting China is to become a fortress to keep coronavirus out , pity the lying devious repressive bastards didn't make it a fortress to keep it where it started ! are they taking the piss they are responsible for this pandemic and the destruction and death it is causing all over the World, disgusting shamless regime. all chinese assets abroad should be seized Can you wait until I've eaten mine. Waited a bloody hour for it to be delivered |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 28, 2020 21:29:25 GMT
Could you point to specific numbers you think are wrong and why? Page or table numbers in the Imperial study would be handy, ta. Nah, couldn’t be bothered wasting my time! Google it yourself. The baseless smearing of scientists and trying to sow distrust is dangerous and we should stop ourselves from doing it. The smear campaign against scientists probably played a role in why Trump fucked up so monumentally, why he ignored all the warnings and tried to stifle everything. Thanks to that, thousands of Americans are now likely to needlessly die. I'm sure most of us think that's a bad thing and wouldn't want to encourage it. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 28, 2020 21:31:48 GMT
Sky reporting China is to become a fortress to keep coronavirus out , pity the lying devious repressive bastards didn't make it a fortress to keep it where it started ! are they taking the piss they are responsible for this pandemic and the destruction and death it is causing all over the World, disgusting shamless regime. In all probability the virus was beyond China's borders very it had even been identified Their authorities covered it up for over a month, they arrested two scientists for alerting them to it's existence why ? |
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Post by starkiller on Mar 28, 2020 21:34:33 GMT
Sick of fucking hearing about it.
When are the pubs open?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 21:35:23 GMT
Anyone seen “my secret terrius” on Netflix? Go to series 1, episode 10, watch from 52 minutes, believe this came out two years ago No, coronavirus isn’t a new term. SARS was a coronavirus as was MERS , yep |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 28, 2020 21:37:31 GMT
Nah, couldn’t be bothered wasting my time! Google it yourself. The baseless smearing of scientists and trying to sow distrust is dangerous and we should stop ourselves from doing it. The smear campaign against scientists probably played a role in why Trump fucked up so monumentally, why he ignored all the warnings and tried to stifle everything. Thanks to that, thousands of Americans are now likely to needlessly die. I'm sure most of us think that's a bad thing and wouldn't want to encourage it. We could follow the Chinese authorities lead and arrest scientists who tell the truth ! they should have been honest and closed their borders and alerted the World to this pandemic sadly that is not the communist way, if they had listened to their scientists the World would have been a safer place, they are to blame for this Armageddon. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 28, 2020 21:38:48 GMT
Sick of fucking hearing about it. When are the pubs open? 26th June 2021 if we are lucky. |
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Post by starkiller on Mar 28, 2020 21:47:13 GMT
Sick of fucking hearing about it. When are the pubs open? 26th June 2021 if we are lucky. Anyone know a good place for a lock-in? |
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, pity the lying devious repressive bastards didn't make it a fortress to keep it where it started ! are they taking the piss they are responsible for this pandemic and the destruction and death it is causing all over the World, disgusting shamless regime. 
