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Post by march4 on Mar 28, 2020 17:06:35 GMT
I see the latest opinion polling puts Boris on the highest value of any Tory prime minister. He is ahead of Churchill and Thatcher.
Only Blair’s Labour Party were further ahead.
It is amazing how people flock behind their leader in times of crisis.
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2020 17:12:55 GMT
apparently 20,000 deaths will be a good result, says the latest briefing. China has 20 times the population we have with 5,500 deaths. Good result my arse, do they think we are thick.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 28, 2020 17:14:36 GMT
Italy update:
Drop in new cases
Critical went up around 200
889 dead though.
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2020 17:16:22 GMT
I see the latest opinion polling puts Boris on the highest value of any Tory prime minister. He is ahead of Churchill and Thatcher. Only Blair’s Labour Party were further ahead. It is amazing how people flock behind their leader in times of crisis. Leader??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2020 17:19:08 GMT
I see the latest opinion polling puts Boris on the highest value of any Tory prime minister. He is ahead of Churchill and Thatcher. Only Blair’s Labour Party were further ahead. It is amazing how people flock behind their leader in times of crisis. He’s been fucking shite 😂
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2020 17:25:27 GMT
Italy update: Drop in new cases Critical went up around 200 889 dead though. Hope the worst is over for you there, it must be heartbreaking for so many people. Though I'm sure we'll soon understand it fully over here.
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Post by zerps on Mar 28, 2020 17:27:17 GMT
apparently 20,000 deaths will be a good result, says the latest briefing. China has 20 times the population we have with 5,500 deaths. Good result my arse, do they think we are thick. Don’t prove them right mate
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 17:29:14 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 28, 2020 17:30:13 GMT
Italy update: Drop in new cases Critical went up around 200 889 dead though. Hope the worst is over for you there, it must be heartbreaking for so many people. Though I'm sure we'll soon understand it fully over here. Depends what is considered worst. The new cases mean nothing whilst they test 2000 more or 2000 less on any given day. It's not really giving much of an idea. The deaths dropped for a few days back to the 600s and then shot up to 900+ I think we are right in the eye of the storm right now and perhaps by midweek next week we will see a definite decrease in new and critical cases but I fear the death toll will remain 800+ for a couple more weeks.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Mar 28, 2020 17:30:42 GMT
apparently 20,000 deaths will be a good result, says the latest briefing. China has 20 times the population we have with 5,500 deaths. Good result my arse, do they think we are thick. It totally depends on whether you believe the Chinese government I, for one, do not
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 17:35:33 GMT
apparently 20,000 deaths will be a good result, says the latest briefing. China has 20 times the population we have with 5,500 deaths. Good result my arse, do they think we are thick. It totally depends on whether you believe the Chinese government I, for one, do not I read somewhere that in the last month there has been an incredible reduction in the number of active cellphones in China. (Around 10 million) Now that could be people who lost work Or it could something else?
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 28, 2020 17:41:03 GMT
20,000 dead is horrible, but I believe better than the worst death toll for seasonal flu, which I think I remember seeing was something like 35,000. I think last year 18,000 died from the flu, but I dont have the statistics to hand. In that context, 20,000 would be a massive relief. I don't think people appreciate how many people unnecessarily die every winter due to poor hygiene and a lack of sensible precautions. Edit: Looking at the actual numbers, the average number of deaths due to seasonal influenza since 2014 is 17,000, ranging from 28,330 (2014/15) and 1,692 (2018/19). A 20,000 death toll would be, as stated above, tragic, but equivalent to a slightly above average year for seasonal flu deaths. fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/
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Post by zerps on Mar 28, 2020 17:45:10 GMT
20,000 dead is horrible, but I believe better than the worst death toll for seasonal flu, which I think I remember seeing was something like 35,000. I think last year 18,000 died from the flu, but I dont have the statistics to hand. In that context, 20,000 would be a massive relief. I don't think people appreciate how many people unnecessarily die every winter due to poor hygiene and a lack of sensible precautions. Are they counting people that died anyway but tested positive for c-19?
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2020 17:49:10 GMT
20,000 dead is horrible, but I believe better than the worst death toll for seasonal flu, which I think I remember seeing was something like 35,000. I think last year 18,000 died from the flu, but I dont have the statistics to hand. In that context, 20,000 would be a massive relief. I don't think people appreciate how many people unnecessarily die every winter due to poor hygiene and a lack of sensible precautions. Are they counting people that died anyway but tested positive for c-19? we are only counting those that die in hospital apparently, it you die at home you are not counted because it hasn't been confirmed officially that you died of C-19
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2020 17:53:58 GMT
apparently 20,000 deaths will be a good result, says the latest briefing. China has 20 times the population we have with 5,500 deaths. Good result my arse, do they think we are thick. Don’t prove them right mate Do one, this is not a subject to point score about. Our complacency along with most of the west has been astounding, we watched what was happening in China and thought we were better than them, we ignored their advice as well as the WHO and we are playing catch up after the horse has bolted.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 28, 2020 17:55:54 GMT
Including many currently losing their jobs and their healthcare cover. 91.2% have health insurance. Many people choose not to have insurance and opt for either self-insurance ( the top 3-4% by wealth) or concierge medicine (another 2-3% - You pay your doctor a set rate every month and they keep you healthy). Of those who need insurance but can’t afford it, there are several delivery systems available to them including free clinics and regular doctors who donate x% of appointment slots to charity. Not a perfect system, but in my opinion so much more effective than trying to downgrade everything to the lowest common denominator. I'm no expert but outside of the UK I have spent more of life in the US than anywhere else. I have a lot of dear friends there, and am familiar with the stresses involved in health plans. Every time I see a GoFundMe for treatment I cant help but think half of my favourite people here I the UK would be bankrupt or dead if we had a system like the states. The NHS is chronically underfunded and its going to struggle with this but I'll take it every time over the US one.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 28, 2020 17:59:02 GMT
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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2020 18:06:18 GMT
I see the latest opinion polling puts Boris on the highest value of any Tory prime minister. He is ahead of Churchill and Thatcher. Only Blair’s Labour Party were further ahead. It is amazing how people flock behind their leader in times of crisis. Its like a football manager its results that matter in the end. If we get out of this fucker with fewer than 20k deaths the sun will be shining out of his posterior. It won't hurt either that he has remained calm and genial and manfully taken one for the team to help build up the all important CV immunity without which we're all going to hell in a high cart!
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2020 18:09:55 GMT
apparently 20,000 deaths will be a good result, says the latest briefing. China has 20 times the population we have with 5,500 deaths. Good result my arse, do they think we are thick. It totally depends on whether you believe the Chinese government I, for one, do not Perhaps not entirely but if their deaths were on a par with the "expected good result" here of 20,000 deaths they would have had 400,000 die population wise, they wouldn't have been able to cover that up. We've had months to prepare but not heeded the lessons of China or the advice of the WHO, we've always been behind in our actions, too little, too late.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 28, 2020 18:10:07 GMT
I've had a really exciting afternoon..........the fire engine arrived blue lights flashing and everything a few doors away. Somebody had burnt their toast and set the alarm off. Made my day now back to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Post by zerps on Mar 28, 2020 18:10:12 GMT
Don’t prove them right mate Do one, this is not a subject to point score about. Our complacency along with most of the west has been astounding, we watched what was happening in China and thought we were better than them, we ignored their advice as well as the WHO and we are playing catch up after the horse has bolted. Go to bed
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Post by Cast no shadow on Mar 28, 2020 18:12:00 GMT
Wanker
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2020 18:20:49 GMT
Do one, this is not a subject to point score about. Our complacency along with most of the west has been astounding, we watched what was happening in China and thought we were better than them, we ignored their advice as well as the WHO and we are playing catch up after the horse has bolted. Go to bed Grow up and that's the last I will say as this is not the thread for arguments and point scoring.
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Post by steve66 on Mar 28, 2020 18:28:54 GMT
Anyone seen “my secret terrius” on Netflix? Go to series 1, episode 10, watch from 52 minutes, believe this came out two years ago
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 28, 2020 18:30:56 GMT
I see the latest opinion polling puts Boris on the highest value of any Tory prime minister. He is ahead of Churchill and Thatcher. Only Blair’s Labour Party were further ahead. It is amazing how people flock behind their leader in times of crisis. Popularity will always go up in the short term when a leader has taken action in any kind of crisis. It means nothing. It'll only mean something if it's as high in say 6-8 weeks time, when we start to find out if that course of action he took (or indeed when he took it) was actually the right one.
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Post by zerps on Mar 28, 2020 18:32:20 GMT
Grow up and that's the last I will say as this is not the thread for arguments and point scoring. It’s not the thread for saying we think we’re better than China and the horse has bolted either. Get a grip man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 18:32:32 GMT
Anyone seen “my secret terrius” on Netflix? Go to series 1, episode 10, watch from 52 minutes, believe this came out two years ago The characters talk about coronavirus. Coronavirus has been around for a long time. The common cold is a coronavirus.
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Post by zerps on Mar 28, 2020 18:32:46 GMT
Anyone seen “my secret terrius” on Netflix? Go to series 1, episode 10, watch from 52 minutes, believe this came out two years ago No, coronavirus isn’t a new term.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 28, 2020 18:39:01 GMT
My insurance is shit compared with the NHS. Almost $7k/year* and I have to pay the first $1.5k straight up, then 20% of the next $25k or so, until it hits ~$6.5k total paid by me. A single ambulance followed by a deep cut to the hand could easily top me out for the year, based on what happened to my mate's wife. I haven't seen anything about the care that's better than home, I fucking miss the NHS. My (well off, as in $1 million house) friends here go on about how it's great to have choice, but I don't have a choice, my employer does. And my options are basically gamble a bit or gamble a lot with how much it'll cost. *Plus taxes paid for Medicare and Medicaid, which I don't get. EDIT: Trump's done alright at helping to strip healthcare from poor people. His bill would have helped remove care from tens of millions but he fell a vote short so he's had to use other tricks. With a growing economy he has managed to help drive up the number of uninsured by doing the actions he could. When you say, topped out, you mean the max you have to pay. So if you have an elective knee replacement ($50,000) you pay $6,000. If you then have a heart attack, you pay nothing. I get that some like to permanently suck the government’s tit, but I prefer the freedom of being able to choose how to live my life. I accept the richest Americans get extra healthcare choice and might see better outcomes, although some rich Brits go private too. But most Americans get basically fuck all choice. Old but not rich? Medicare. Working age and poor? Medicaid. Working? Whatever your employer has, loads of which suck like mine does. Falling in those gaps and not rich? Go suck it up until you're too sick to move, you maggot. Oh the amazing choice. The US spends 150% more per person than the NHS does, and the NHS is still better. A quarter+ of all hospital spending in the US is spent pushing around paper, just so that all the companies have the "freedom" to bargain with each other. Knowing that thousands of dollars are taken out of my paycheque to literally do nothing except pay a shitload of bureaucrats to make healthcare worse pisses me off no end. I'd rather suck on the government's teat so I'm healthy & strong enough to make free decisions about the rest of my life, instead of being trapped in the invisible cage of medical debt or the fear of my family & me being left to suffer. I think the NHS makes us far more free than most Americans can imagine, but I think some of the richest like it because they get to play Billy Big Bollocks and boast to each other about their strong independent choices while lording it over the gutter maggots who are clearly suffering. I understand that this won't change your opinion, and you won't change mine until you can show better health outcomes without spending 150% more per person, so we'll just disagree. But I want Brits to realise how utterly shit and toxic the US system is so we don't poison the NHS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 18:40:21 GMT
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