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Post by Billy the kid on Mar 28, 2020 15:09:50 GMT
So now we are getting to the hundreds a day deaths do we think more lock down is imminent? Also do you think we are going to see another wave of panic? Or are we going to see people continue to drive off into the peak district for a casual walk.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 28, 2020 15:10:04 GMT
This is the start of the real big numbers and then fingers crossed it should start to even out.
I think we’ll accelerate to around 5,000 deaths and then start to see a flattening of the curve over the next three weeks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2020 15:13:57 GMT
So now we are getting to the hundreds a day deaths do we think more lock down is imminent? Also do you think we are going to see another wave of panic? Or are we going to see people continue to drive off into the peak district for a casual walk. I really don’t get why London is still open. I’m guessing the tubes are still packed and that’s clearly where the biggest impact is.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 28, 2020 15:17:00 GMT
So now we are getting to the hundreds a day deaths do we think more lock down is imminent? Also do you think we are going to see another wave of panic? Or are we going to see people continue to drive off into the peak district for a casual walk. I really don’t get why London is still open. I’m guessing the tubes are still packed and that’s clearly where the biggest impact is. I’ve no doubt London will make up at least 75% of our total cases once the dust has settled, it’s a cauldron for anything like this, should have been closed off weeks ago.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 15:24:33 GMT
Useful information! Unlike some novelist’s imaginary view of the future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 15:25:43 GMT
Another 269 people have died in the UK after testing positive for coronavirus, taking the total to 1,028.
The vast majority of those were in England, where a further 246 deaths means a total of 935 people have died there.
NHS England has said the victims were aged between 33 and 100 years old, and all but 13 of them had underlying health conditions.
75 of the 269 in London.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 28, 2020 15:32:33 GMT
So sorry to hear this Milan. My mother is 86, active and generally healthy apart from Lupus. Are the doctors in Milan using the age of patients as the main factor to decide who gets a respirator or are they considering other factors? There were rumours weeks ago doctors having to decide between who they should and shouldn't save. There are not enough ventilators to treat everyone. What you hear now in Spain confirms it in Italy. People if a certain category will be sacrificed to save younger and healthier people whilst some will still run around the streets without a care in the world. This is just awful mate, it really is. Have there been any figures released as to how many respirators are currently in circulation/operation in Italy? Interesting story released surrounding G-tech being told not to go into production (which could be for a whole host of reasons) and would lead us to believe that UK government will have sourced enough to meet demand.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 15:47:14 GMT
I don't get why anyone would want their system, it's just awful. In fact a lot about their way of life just seems dreadful to me, you've got the food standards stuff, guns, pollution etc. Seems such a backward system. Didn’t Obama make it mandatory for Americans to have insurance, ‘the affordable care act, ( Obamacare ) and now Trump is trying to tear it apart? You mean the UN-affordable Care act? As far as the US being such a “dreadful.... backward system”, when I am sick, I can see MY doctor, who knows me personally and has treated my family for over 20 years, within 24 hours. How long do you wait and do you get to see the doctor of your choice? The US has the highest net immigration ( people wanting to live in the US) in the world; 250% higher than #2 and 500% higher than Germany. The UK comes in at number 9 (even with open borders to all former colonies and Europe); below such notable places like Turkey, Oman, Lebanon, Russia and just a smidge above South Sudan, Saudi Arabia and, wait for it, South Africa! it’s nice to know that people are so self-sacrificing that they choose to go to backward places like the US instead of jamming up the UK.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Mar 28, 2020 15:52:15 GMT
On the same day 14 days ago, Italy had 175 deaths in 24 hours from 13th to 14th of March.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2020 15:53:53 GMT
On the same day 14 days ago, Italy had 175 deaths in 24 hours from 13th to 14th of March. We're still 250ish behind though going back 14 days.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2020 15:54:36 GMT
Didn’t Obama make it mandatory for Americans to have insurance, ‘the affordable care act, ( Obamacare ) and now Trump is trying to tear it apart? You mean the UN-affordable Care act? As far as the US being such a “dreadful.... backward system”, when I am sick, I can see MY doctor, who knows me personally and has treated my family for over 20 years, within 24 hours. How long do you wait and do you get to see the doctor of your choice? The US has the highest net immigration ( people wanting to live in the US) in the world; 250% higher than #2 and 500% higher than Germany. The UK comes in at number 9 (even with open borders to all former colonies and Europe); below such notable places like Turkey, Oman, Lebanon, Russia and just a smidge above South Sudan, Saudi Arabia and, wait for it, South Africa! it’s nice to know that people are so self-sacrificing that they choose to go to backward places like the US instead of jamming up the UK. Good for you, you're lucky. Millions can't. It's a fucked up system.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Mar 28, 2020 15:57:19 GMT
On the same day 14 days ago, Italy had 175 deaths in 24 hours from 13th to 14th of March. We're still 250ish behind though going back 14 days. Yes, number of total deaths in Italy on 14th of March was 1.441 deaths. Apart from the sudden increase today, UK is doing better than Italy.
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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2020 16:10:18 GMT
Where have we got to?
Roughly 3 more sets of the death rate doubling every 3 days before the effects of isolation kick in and slow down the rate of increase.
So the 1k total fatalities today go something like 2k, 4k, 8k before hopefully increasing less quickly.
The experts still seem confident we'll dip inside the 20k target for the UK.
Mind you the same experts say it will be back big and bad in the autumn.
At that point do we lock down again or hope it permeates more gently through the population until enough of us have had it to build up some immunity?
Who knows, play it by ear I guess.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 28, 2020 16:12:20 GMT
You mean the UN-affordable Care act? As far as the US being such a “dreadful.... backward system”, when I am sick, I can see MY doctor, who knows me personally and has treated my family for over 20 years, within 24 hours. How long do you wait and do you get to see the doctor of your choice? The US has the highest net immigration ( people wanting to live in the US) in the world; 250% higher than #2 and 500% higher than Germany. The UK comes in at number 9 (even with open borders to all former colonies and Europe); below such notable places like Turkey, Oman, Lebanon, Russia and just a smidge above South Sudan, Saudi Arabia and, wait for it, South Africa! it’s nice to know that people are so self-sacrificing that they choose to go to backward places like the US instead of jamming up the UK. Good for you, you're lucky. Millions can't. It's a fucked up system. Including many currently losing their jobs and their healthcare cover.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 28, 2020 16:14:47 GMT
Where have we got to? Roughly 3 more sets of the death rate doubling every 3 days before the effects of isolation kick in and slow down the rate of increase. So the 1k total fatalities today go something like 2k, 4k, 8k before hopefully increasing less quickly. The experts still seem confident we'll dip inside the 20k target for the UK. Mind you the same experts say it will be back big and bad in the autumn. At that point do we lock down again or hope it permeates more gently through the population until enough of us have had it to build up some immunity? Who knows, play it by ear I guess. Do we even know if immunity will last that long? To my reading so far some viruses only give immunity for a matter of few months which would render the whole herd immunity project pointless.
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Post by lordb on Mar 28, 2020 16:16:18 GMT
Didn’t Obama make it mandatory for Americans to have insurance, ‘the affordable care act, ( Obamacare ) and now Trump is trying to tear it apart? You mean the UN-affordable Care act? As far as the US being such a “dreadful.... backward system”, when I am sick, I can see MY doctor, who knows me personally and has treated my family for over 20 years, within 24 hours. How long do you wait and do you get to see the doctor of your choice? The US has the highest net immigration ( people wanting to live in the US) in the world; 250% higher than #2 and 500% higher than Germany. The UK comes in at number 9 (even with open borders to all former colonies and Europe); below such notable places like Turkey, Oman, Lebanon, Russia and just a smidge above South Sudan, Saudi Arabia and, wait for it, South Africa! it’s nice to know that people are so self-sacrificing that they choose to go to backward places like the US instead of jamming up the UK. It's really striking how Americans/the US don't accept any criticism whatsoever.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2020 16:16:30 GMT
Another tour de force from Hyde www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/corona-prince-johnson-designated-survivors-In the UK on Thursday night, millions stood on doorsteps or leaned from their windows to applaud NHS and care workers, a vastly moving moment confused only by the participation of many Conservative MPs and ministers who in 2017 not only voted against a pay rise for nurses, but loudly clapped its defeat – and whose funding priorities have left some frontline NHS workers threatening to resign over lack of protective equipment. The World Health Organization recommends the sort of full-body armour you’d want to attend dinner at Michael Gove’s; current government largesse allows for a Kiss the Cook apron and a cardboard Simon Cowell mask.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 28, 2020 16:25:21 GMT
You mean the UN-affordable Care act? As far as the US being such a “dreadful.... backward system”, when I am sick, I can see MY doctor, who knows me personally and has treated my family for over 20 years, within 24 hours. How long do you wait and do you get to see the doctor of your choice? The US has the highest net immigration ( people wanting to live in the US) in the world; 250% higher than #2 and 500% higher than Germany. The UK comes in at number 9 (even with open borders to all former colonies and Europe); below such notable places like Turkey, Oman, Lebanon, Russia and just a smidge above South Sudan, Saudi Arabia and, wait for it, South Africa! it’s nice to know that people are so self-sacrificing that they choose to go to backward places like the US instead of jamming up the UK. It's really striking how Americans/the US don't accept any criticism whatsoever. It's that kind of "bury our heads in the sand/we're 'Murica/US of A is A-OK" arrogance, that has led to America having more confirmed cases than any other country on the planet and currently on a trajectory that will overtake Italy. But it'll be fine and they'll be up and running by easter...after all, it's all about public image, not lives mate!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 16:25:48 GMT
Good for you, you're lucky. Millions can't. It's a fucked up system. Including many currently losing their jobs and their healthcare cover. 91.2% have health insurance. Many people choose not to have insurance and opt for either self-insurance ( the top 3-4% by wealth) or concierge medicine (another 2-3% - You pay your doctor a set rate every month and they keep you healthy). Of those who need insurance but can’t afford it, there are several delivery systems available to them including free clinics and regular doctors who donate x% of appointment slots to charity. Not a perfect system, but in my opinion so much more effective than trying to downgrade everything to the lowest common denominator.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 16:28:47 GMT
You mean the UN-affordable Care act? As far as the US being such a “dreadful.... backward system”, when I am sick, I can see MY doctor, who knows me personally and has treated my family for over 20 years, within 24 hours. How long do you wait and do you get to see the doctor of your choice? The US has the highest net immigration ( people wanting to live in the US) in the world; 250% higher than #2 and 500% higher than Germany. The UK comes in at number 9 (even with open borders to all former colonies and Europe); below such notable places like Turkey, Oman, Lebanon, Russia and just a smidge above South Sudan, Saudi Arabia and, wait for it, South Africa! it’s nice to know that people are so self-sacrificing that they choose to go to backward places like the US instead of jamming up the UK. It's really striking how Americans/the US don't accept any criticism whatsoever. It’s even more striking how some criticize everything, even when they know virtually nothing about it. Oh, and I’m not American.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 28, 2020 16:35:46 GMT
Well done the Gurkhas... 4000 hospital beds within a week.
Excellent work! 👍👏👏
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 28, 2020 16:36:54 GMT
Because I'm not part of the Royal Family or a celebrity I have no idea if I've got Coronavirus or have had it. However, I thought I'd share my experiences of "symptoms" this week. Monday and Tuesday afternoon/early evening I got a headache, which is very rare for me and I began to cough, all be it quite infrequently. Wednesday/thursday my cough became more noticeable but the headaches had stopped, the only difference being I went to bed on both evenings at around 6 and just lay there with zero energy. I'd describe it as a hungover feeling, not the worst thing in the world but felt like I just couldn't be bothered to do anything. Thursday afternoon was also when my chest began to feel a bit tight, that's what made me start to worry a bit. Friday and today, I'm still coughing but I feel a lot better in myself, maybe the chest tightness was due to the increased coughing? Or the fact it's actually just a chest infection? Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing (for now) In any case, at a guess I reckon I'll be totally fine within a couple of days or so. Sounds exactly like mine, but I've had the dry cough & chest tightness for longer than that. The breathing thing has got better, now I only notice it about once an hour and it's like I can mostly breathe fine but I can't quite fill up the last bit of the lungs. I described it as just feeling kind of emotionally knackered but I reckon you've nailed it. I couldn't recognise it at first because my hangovers usually come with a pounding headache, dehydration and sickness. It's was like my body just took the worn out bit out of your worst hangovers I've ever had. You should write the medical manuals on these things.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 28, 2020 16:38:09 GMT
Big jump in the number of deaths! Scary. Does anyone have the breakdown? London still worst hit? FullerMagic ? www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14Birmingham: 428 Hampshire: 384 Sheffield: 361 Southwark: 319 Lambeth: 318 Surrey: 314 Brent: 295 Wandsworth: 265 Hertfordshire: 262 Croydon: 261 Ealing: 241 Cumbria: 238 Kent: 230 Harrow: 225 Bromley: 217 Essex: 213 Westminster: 206 Newham: 195 Derbyshire: 194 Lewisham: 188 Staffordshire: 186 Nottinghamshire: 177 Lancashire: 167 Tower Hamlets: 160 Waltham Forest: 154 Hackney and City of London: 151 Greenwich: 148 Enfield: 144 Wolverhampton: 141 Merton: 141 Hillingdon: 140 Hounslow: 139 Leicestershire: 136 Newcastle upon Tyne: 135 Liverpool: 132 Islington: 131 Redbridge: 128 Haringey: 127 Hammersmith and Fulham: 124 Kensington and Chelsea: 123 Oxfordshire: 121 Barnet: 117 Sandwell: 116 Camden: 115 Buckinghamshire: 115 Warwickshire: 113 West Sussex: 110 Walsall: 108 Worcestershire: 108 Northamptonshire: 106 Gloucestershire: 105 Bexley: 102 Havering: 101 Derby: 100 Stoke-on-Trent 27 ---------------------------------------------------- London: 5,299 Midlands: 2,438 South East: 1,727 North East and Yorkshire: 1,497 North West: 1,253 East of England: 1,001 South West: 649
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 28, 2020 16:40:47 GMT
Including many currently losing their jobs and their healthcare cover. 91.2% have health insurance. Many people choose not to have insurance and opt for either self-insurance ( the top 3-4% by wealth) or concierge medicine (another 2-3% - You pay your doctor a set rate every month and they keep you healthy). Of those who need insurance but can’t afford it, there are several delivery systems available to them including free clinics and regular doctors who donate x% of appointment slots to charity. Not a perfect system, but in my opinion so much more effective than trying to downgrade everything to the lowest common denominator. My insurance is shit compared with the NHS. Almost $7k/year* and I have to pay the first $1.5k straight up, then 20% of the next $25k or so, until it hits ~$6.5k total paid by me. A single ambulance followed by a deep cut to the hand could easily top me out for the year, based on what happened to my mate's wife. I haven't seen anything about the care that's better than home, I fucking miss the NHS. My (well off, as in $1 million house) friends here go on about how it's great to have choice, but I don't have a choice, my employer does. And my options are basically gamble a bit or gamble a lot with how much it'll cost. *Plus taxes paid for Medicare and Medicaid, which I don't get. EDIT: Trump's done alright at helping to strip healthcare from poor people. His bill would have helped remove care from tens of millions but he fell a vote short so he's had to use other tricks. With a growing economy he has managed to help drive up the number of uninsured by doing the actions he could.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 16:55:44 GMT
It's really striking how Americans/the US don't accept any criticism whatsoever. It's that kind of "bury our heads in the sand/we're 'Murica/US of A is A-OK" arrogance, that has led to America having more confirmed cases than any other country on the planet and currently on a trajectory that will overtake Italy. But it'll be fine and they'll be up and running by easter...after all, it's all about public image, not lives mate! Ever thought that it might be a factor of their backward system having tested more people than anyone else? I saw the UK has an 80% infection rate for those tested, A quick calculation shows US has approximately 25-30% infection rate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2020 16:57:29 GMT
It's that kind of "bury our heads in the sand/we're 'Murica/US of A is A-OK" arrogance, that has led to America having more confirmed cases than any other country on the planet and currently on a trajectory that will overtake Italy. But it'll be fine and they'll be up and running by easter...after all, it's all about public image, not lives mate! Ever thought that it might be a factor of their backward system having tested more people than anyone else? I saw the UK has an 80% infection rate for those tested, A quick calculation shows US has approximately 25-30% infection rate. Over 100,000 have been tested. Someone’s lied to you.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 28, 2020 17:00:34 GMT
91.2% have health insurance. Many people choose not to have insurance and opt for either self-insurance ( the top 3-4% by wealth) or concierge medicine (another 2-3% - You pay your doctor a set rate every month and they keep you healthy). Of those who need insurance but can’t afford it, there are several delivery systems available to them including free clinics and regular doctors who donate x% of appointment slots to charity. Not a perfect system, but in my opinion so much more effective than trying to downgrade everything to the lowest common denominator. My insurance is shit compared with the NHS. Almost $7k/year* and I have to pay the first $1.5k straight up, then 20% of the next $25k or so, until it hits ~$6.5k total paid by me. A single ambulance followed by a deep cut to the hand could easily top me out for the year, based on what happened to my mate's wife. I haven't seen anything about the care that's better than home, I fucking miss the NHS. My (well off, as in $1 million house) friends here go on about how it's great to have choice, but I don't have a choice, my employer does. And my options are basically gamble a bit or gamble a lot with how much it'll cost. *Plus taxes paid for Medicare and Medicaid, which I don't get. EDIT: Trump's done alright at helping to strip healthcare from poor people. His bill would have helped remove care from tens of millions but he fell a vote short so he's had to use other tricks. With a growing economy he has managed to help drive up the number of uninsured by doing the actions he could. When you say, topped out, you mean the max you have to pay. So if you have an elective knee replacement ($50,000) you pay $6,000. If you then have a heart attack, you pay nothing. I get that some like to permanently suck the government’s tit, but I prefer the freedom of being able to choose how to live my life.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2020 17:04:01 GMT
My insurance is shit compared with the NHS. Almost $7k/year* and I have to pay the first $1.5k straight up, then 20% of the next $25k or so, until it hits ~$6.5k total paid by me. A single ambulance followed by a deep cut to the hand could easily top me out for the year, based on what happened to my mate's wife. I haven't seen anything about the care that's better than home, I fucking miss the NHS. My (well off, as in $1 million house) friends here go on about how it's great to have choice, but I don't have a choice, my employer does. And my options are basically gamble a bit or gamble a lot with how much it'll cost. *Plus taxes paid for Medicare and Medicaid, which I don't get. EDIT: Trump's done alright at helping to strip healthcare from poor people. His bill would have helped remove care from tens of millions but he fell a vote short so he's had to use other tricks. With a growing economy he has managed to help drive up the number of uninsured by doing the actions he could. When you say, topped out, you mean the max you have to pay. So if you have an elective knee replacement ($50,000) you pay $6,000. If you then have a heart attack, you pay nothing. I get that some like to permanently suck the government’s tit, but I prefer the freedom of being able to choose how to live my life. Mind blowingly scary.
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Post by whakka on Mar 28, 2020 17:05:35 GMT
People would argue the fuck out of the name of their grandmother on here get a grip ya tits🙄
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Post by AlliG on Mar 28, 2020 17:06:02 GMT
It's that kind of "bury our heads in the sand/we're 'Murica/US of A is A-OK" arrogance, that has led to America having more confirmed cases than any other country on the planet and currently on a trajectory that will overtake Italy. But it'll be fine and they'll be up and running by easter...after all, it's all about public image, not lives mate! Ever thought that it might be a factor of their backward system having tested more people than anyone else? I saw the UK has an 80% infection rate for those tested, A quick calculation shows US has approximately 25-30% infection rate. 80% infection rate From the official government figures: As of 9am 28 March, a total of 120,776 have been tested: 103,687 negative. 17,089 positive. Did you go to the same school as Donald Trump and Diane Abbot?
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