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Post by felonious on Dec 29, 2022 15:02:04 GMT
Following the science A man in his 30s with no underlying health conditions was offered a Covid vaccine after an NHS error mistakenly listed him as just 6.2cm in height. Liam Thorp was told he qualified for the jab because his measurements gave him a body mass index of 28,000. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-56111209
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Post by noustie on Dec 31, 2022 16:16:14 GMT
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Post by gawa on Dec 31, 2022 16:19:46 GMT
Can't see the article as its behind a pay wall. Disgraceful that they're trying to blame this on the public though from the paragraph I read. People are dying because the NHS has been failing targets for years. And the tories introduced, and voted through with their commons majority, draconian laws which made it even more difficult to see GPS during the pandemic. This isn't the publics fault. Its the government's.
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Post by noustie on Dec 31, 2022 16:27:36 GMT
Can't see the article as its behind a pay wall. Disgraceful that they're trying to blame this on the public though from the paragraph I read. People are dying because the NHS has been failing targets for years. And the tories introduced, and voted through with their commons majority, draconian laws which made it even more difficult to see GPS during the pandemic. This isn't the publics fault. Its the government's. Cheers fella - swapped it for the Mail version. Try to read it without requiring blood pressure pills- absolutely fucking wild.
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Post by gawa on Dec 31, 2022 16:43:28 GMT
Can't see the article as its behind a pay wall. Disgraceful that they're trying to blame this on the public though from the paragraph I read. People are dying because the NHS has been failing targets for years. And the tories introduced, and voted through with their commons majority, draconian laws which made it even more difficult to see GPS during the pandemic. This isn't the publics fault. Its the government's. Cheers fella - swapped it for the Mail version. Try to read it without requiring blood pressure pills- absolutely fucking wild. Winds me up. This is our health secretary's comments: These patterns have been recognised by the Health and Social Care Secretary Steve Barclay who recently stressed that it was important to be 'transparent coming out of Covid around excess deaths'. He said: 'Now, one shared point of understanding must be the scale of the COVID backlog, with around now 7.1 million patients. 'For example, we know from the data that there are more 50 to 64-year-olds with cardiovascular issues. 'It’s the result of delays in that age group seeing a GP because of the pandemic and in some cases, not getting statins for hypertension in time.' Its not a covid backlog or because of the pandemic as he says. It certainly contributes but every NHS key performance indicator has got worse since the tories took power. And yet these lot don't give a fuck and just play politics with our lives. Trying to use the pandemic as an excuse for failing public services, poverty, economic disaster etc.. But at the same time we have a PM who's wife has been saving millions of pounds through tax loopholes. And an ex pm swanning off doing 1 hour speeches for 6 figure sums. Neither of them use public health care so are unaffected by the demise of the NHS. And then they have the cheek to blame striking nurses. But never do we get an apology or any of them taking accountability. Always someone to point the finger at. Makes my blood boil.
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Post by noustie on Dec 31, 2022 18:36:21 GMT
Cheers fella - swapped it for the Mail version. Try to read it without requiring blood pressure pills- absolutely fucking wild. Winds me up. This is our health secretary's comments: These patterns have been recognised by the Health and Social Care Secretary Steve Barclay who recently stressed that it was important to be 'transparent coming out of Covid around excess deaths'. He said: 'Now, one shared point of understanding must be the scale of the COVID backlog, with around now 7.1 million patients. 'For example, we know from the data that there are more 50 to 64-year-olds with cardiovascular issues. 'It’s the result of delays in that age group seeing a GP because of the pandemic and in some cases, not getting statins for hypertension in time.' Its not a covid backlog or because of the pandemic as he says. It certainly contributes but every NHS key performance indicator has got worse since the tories took power. And yet these lot don't give a fuck and just play politics with our lives. Trying to use the pandemic as an excuse for failing public services, poverty, economic disaster etc.. But at the same time we have a PM who's wife has been saving millions of pounds through tax loopholes. And an ex pm swanning off doing 1 hour speeches for 6 figure sums. Neither of them use public health care so are unaffected by the demise of the NHS. And then they have the cheek to blame striking nurses. But never do we get an apology or any of them taking accountability. Always someone to point the finger at. Makes my blood boil. Attachment DeletedUndoubtedly but there also needs to be serious questions around the vaccine even if just to restore an element of confidence that there is even a semblance of safeguarding against profiteering. Comparing the number of middle aged folk who needed heart issues diagnosed before covid compared to now along with how this increase looks across the unvaccinated, partly vaccinated and fully vaccinated would seem quite an easy starting point if the will is there.
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Post by gawa on Dec 31, 2022 19:03:24 GMT
Winds me up. This is our health secretary's comments: These patterns have been recognised by the Health and Social Care Secretary Steve Barclay who recently stressed that it was important to be 'transparent coming out of Covid around excess deaths'. He said: 'Now, one shared point of understanding must be the scale of the COVID backlog, with around now 7.1 million patients. 'For example, we know from the data that there are more 50 to 64-year-olds with cardiovascular issues. 'It’s the result of delays in that age group seeing a GP because of the pandemic and in some cases, not getting statins for hypertension in time.' Its not a covid backlog or because of the pandemic as he says. It certainly contributes but every NHS key performance indicator has got worse since the tories took power. And yet these lot don't give a fuck and just play politics with our lives. Trying to use the pandemic as an excuse for failing public services, poverty, economic disaster etc.. But at the same time we have a PM who's wife has been saving millions of pounds through tax loopholes. And an ex pm swanning off doing 1 hour speeches for 6 figure sums. Neither of them use public health care so are unaffected by the demise of the NHS. And then they have the cheek to blame striking nurses. But never do we get an apology or any of them taking accountability. Always someone to point the finger at. Makes my blood boil. View AttachmentUndoubtedly but there also needs to be serious questions around the vaccine even if just to restore an element of confidence that there is even a semblance of safeguarding against profiteering. Comparing the number of middle aged folk who needed heart issues diagnosed before covid compared to now along with how this increase looks across the unvaccinated, partly vaccinated and fully vaccinated would seem quite an easy starting point if the will is there. Oh I 100% agree with you and I'm double vaccinated myself. Even before getting it I couldn't say I had 100% confidence in it, but as a cynical person I'm never going to have 100% confidence in anything being pushed heavily by the government. And the same goes for other vaccines I've had in my life such as tetanus, bcg, flu jabs etc.. I don't know how effective they are and whether what we are told is what's in them. Could be injecting me with HIV for all I know and I wouldn't know better. Same goes for when I get a McDonald's, for all I know the drinks are laced with stuff. Same goes for the water from my sink. I guess for me though I just thought "fuck it". If it is some mad conspiracy then vaccinated or not vaccinated we're all fucked. Because if something to that scale can be so easily implemented then they can just as easily mess with the water supply or other drugs provided by the health services. The one part I never quite understood though was, what's the motive or end goal if it is a conspiracy? Why have Russia, China, North Korea etc.. All agreed to go along with this conspiracy too? Surely covid would be the perfect weapon for Russia or China to cause distrust in the west. So why are they obliging if its all a conspiracy? And say it is a conspiracy. Well we know about Trumps links to Russia. We know about Boris Johnson and the Conservative party's links to Russia. But most of the conspiracy theorists push this "left wing woke" narrative when discussing covid and lock downs. But the vast majority of the biggest world powers all had right wing givernments when it happened. Yet they seem to excuse that? I agree though that more research needs to be done to see if there is a connection. I think though we also need to be balanced and consider everything. People became less active. People ate less healthily. Some people began to drink more due to being locked down. Some peoples mental health deteriorated. A lot of people were being dismissed by GPS and couldn't get help. There are a lot more factors to consider than simply just "vaccines". Do countries with lower vaccine rates for example have a smaller increase in unexplained deaths? As if it was vaccine related you'd expect unexplained deaths to increase more in countries which have higher vaccine rates. I'm just glad I'm not too heavily invested in all the above. I've got some friends who are just obsessed with covid and all the conspiracies under the sun and one of them I do think seems to be developing some form of scitzophrenia or manic episodes and I wouldn't be surprised if the shite he watches and listens to is contributing to that. Its a dangerous rabbit hole to venture into if you get far too deep. Because like I said where does it stop? If they can spike vaccines to make people ill. Why not put stuff into the air? The water? Our food? Our soap? Our shampoo? Cooking oil? Processed food? Etc.. Etc.. The best I can do is just look at the facts I do have and try and make the best decisions for myself based on that. If the vaccine is going to kill us all then so be it. I'd probably rather be dead than living in a world of paranoid schizophrenics who would likely just be enslaved by the government overlords to do manual labour and act as modern day slaves. Because ultimately if it is a conspiracy and 80% of the world are due to die. I don't think the remaining 20% spread across the earth have much hope against drones, nukes and every other danger in the world.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 31, 2022 19:56:40 GMT
Undoubtedly but there also needs to be serious questions around the vaccine even if just to restore an element of confidence that there is even a semblance of safeguarding against profiteering. Comparing the number of middle aged folk who needed heart issues diagnosed before covid compared to now along with how this increase looks across the unvaccinated, partly vaccinated and fully vaccinated would seem quite an easy starting point if the will is there. Has the thread covered this study yet? I haven't finished interpreting everything but it looks important. They looked at people within the 28 days after a COVID test or a vaccine and then the number of hospitalisations with pericardia, myocardia or cardiac arrythmia. It seems the answer is: COVID fucks with people's hearts badly, the Moderna vaccine fucks with it a tiny bit and the Pfizer and AZ vaccines a teeny tiny bit. Here are the rates of hospital-noted heart problems per million people: COVID infection: about 2,450 Moderna: about 60 Pfizer: about 1 AstraZeneca: about 2 The worrying thing is for younger people, particularly men - they should use Pfizer or AZ instead of Moderna. I got Moderna, but like 99.9977% of under 40s who got it I didn't get heart problems that needed hospital. I've had to email an author to confirm the numbers but putting together their tables it looks like for under-40s it's: COVID infection: about 510 Moderna: about about 23 It looks sensible to me that countries started advising younger lads in particular to get Pfizer rather than Moderna.
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Post by noustie on Dec 31, 2022 20:05:28 GMT
Undoubtedly but there also needs to be serious questions around the vaccine even if just to restore an element of confidence that there is even a semblance of safeguarding against profiteering. Comparing the number of middle aged folk who needed heart issues diagnosed before covid compared to now along with how this increase looks across the unvaccinated, partly vaccinated and fully vaccinated would seem quite an easy starting point if the will is there. Has the thread covered this study yet? I haven't finished interpreting everything but it looks important. They looked at people within the 28 days after a COVID test or a vaccine and then the number of hospitalisations with pericardia, myocardia or cardiac arrythmia. It seems the answer is: COVID fucks with people's hearts badly, the Moderna vaccine fucks with it a tiny bit and the Pfizer and AZ vaccines a teeny tiny bit. Here are the rates of hospital-noted heart problems per million people: COVID infection: about 2,450 Moderna: about 60 Pfizer: about 1 AstraZeneca: about 2 The worrying thing is for younger people, particularly men - they should use Pfizer or AZ instead of Moderna. I got Moderna, but like 99.9977% of under 40s who got it I didn't get heart problems that needed hospital. I've had to email an author to confirm the numbers but putting together their tables it looks like for under-40s it's: COVID infection: about 510 Moderna: about about 23 It looks sensible to me that countries started advising younger lads in particular to get Pfizer rather than Moderna. It's a year old so surely doesn't touch on the excess deaths / heart issues from this year?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 31, 2022 20:15:04 GMT
Don’t forget the colder and hotter weather, kids spending excessive time playing video games and climate change 🥹
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 31, 2022 20:22:28 GMT
Undoubtedly but there also needs to be serious questions around the vaccine even if just to restore an element of confidence that there is even a semblance of safeguarding against profiteering. Comparing the number of middle aged folk who needed heart issues diagnosed before covid compared to now along with how this increase looks across the unvaccinated, partly vaccinated and fully vaccinated would seem quite an easy starting point if the will is there. Has the thread covered this study yet? I haven't finished interpreting everything but it looks important. They looked at people within the 28 days after a COVID test or a vaccine and then the number of hospitalisations with pericardia, myocardia or cardiac arrythmia. It seems the answer is: COVID fucks with people's hearts badly, the Moderna vaccine fucks with it a tiny bit and the Pfizer and AZ vaccines a teeny tiny bit. Here are the rates of hospital-noted heart problems per million people: COVID infection: about 2,450 Moderna: about 60 Pfizer: about 1 AstraZeneca: about 2 The worrying thing is for younger people, particularly men - they should use Pfizer or AZ instead of Moderna. I got Moderna, but like 99.9977% of under 40s who got it I didn't get heart problems that needed hospital. I've had to email an author to confirm the numbers but putting together their tables it looks like for under-40s it's: COVID infection: about 510 Moderna: about about 23 It looks sensible to me that countries started advising younger lads in particular to get Pfizer rather than Moderna. Did you see the German study that found unusual heart damage in autopsies on vaccinated cadavers? I don’t profess to have much understanding around the ingredients/make up of the different MRNA vaccines (Moderna & Pfizer) but do you know the difference between Moderna and Pfizer one? Put another way, why is the Moderna one deemed less safe?
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Post by knype on Dec 31, 2022 20:29:38 GMT
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Post by riverman on Dec 31, 2022 21:42:30 GMT
That alien faced wanker should be struck off and forced to walk naked through the streets whilst having excrement thrown at him!
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Post by questionable on Dec 31, 2022 22:05:46 GMT
The other half has been poorly for a few days which she’s put down to a cold, Covid for the second time in a few months.
She’s in the spare room for the next week or so now.
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Post by knype on Dec 31, 2022 22:30:57 GMT
The other half has been poorly for a few days which she’s put down to a cold, Covid for the second time in a few months. She’s in the spare room for the next week or so now. I'm honestly surprised anyone is still testing
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 31, 2022 22:36:17 GMT
The other half has been poorly for a few days which she’s put down to a cold, Covid for the second time in a few months. She’s in the spare room for the next week or so now. I'm honestly surprised anyone is still testing I didn’t realise anybody still was. Ridiculous really
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Post by questionable on Dec 31, 2022 23:29:55 GMT
I'm honestly surprised anyone is still testing I didn’t realise anybody still was. Ridiculous really She works with the public and has a history of respiratory issues, we had a few left over and she tested herself. Better to know really rather than passing it on I suppose
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Post by riverman on Jan 1, 2023 14:59:38 GMT
I didn’t realise anybody still was. Ridiculous really She works with the public and has a history of respiratory issues, we had a few left over and she tested herself. Better to know really rather than passing it on I suppose What if it had just been a cold?
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Post by questionable on Jan 1, 2023 17:28:15 GMT
She works with the public and has a history of respiratory issues, we had a few left over and she tested herself. Better to know really rather than passing it on I suppose What if it had just been a cold? I would’ve made sure she cooked today’s Sunday dinner
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Post by riverman on Jan 1, 2023 19:03:59 GMT
What if it had just been a cold? I would’ve made sure she cooked today’s Sunday dinner So she wouldn't have isolated with a cold? Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 20:01:06 GMT
View AttachmentUndoubtedly but there also needs to be serious questions around the vaccine even if just to restore an element of confidence that there is even a semblance of safeguarding against profiteering. Comparing the number of middle aged folk who needed heart issues diagnosed before covid compared to now along with how this increase looks across the unvaccinated, partly vaccinated and fully vaccinated would seem quite an easy starting point if the will is there. Oh I 100% agree with you and I'm double vaccinated myself. Even before getting it I couldn't say I had 100% confidence in it, but as a cynical person I'm never going to have 100% confidence in anything being pushed heavily by the government. And the same goes for other vaccines I've had in my life such as tetanus, bcg, flu jabs etc.. I don't know how effective they are and whether what we are told is what's in them. Could be injecting me with HIV for all I know and I wouldn't know better. Same goes for when I get a McDonald's, for all I know the drinks are laced with stuff. Same goes for the water from my sink. I guess for me though I just thought "fuck it". If it is some mad conspiracy then vaccinated or not vaccinated we're all fucked. Because if something to that scale can be so easily implemented then they can just as easily mess with the water supply or other drugs provided by the health services. The one part I never quite understood though was, what's the motive or end goal if it is a conspiracy? Why have Russia, China, North Korea etc.. All agreed to go along with this conspiracy too? Surely covid would be the perfect weapon for Russia or China to cause distrust in the west. So why are they obliging if its all a conspiracy? And say it is a conspiracy. Well we know about Trumps links to Russia. We know about Boris Johnson and the Conservative party's links to Russia. But most of the conspiracy theorists push this "left wing woke" narrative when discussing covid and lock downs. But the vast majority of the biggest world powers all had right wing givernments when it happened. Yet they seem to excuse that? I agree though that more research needs to be done to see if there is a connection. I think though we also need to be balanced and consider everything. People became less active. People ate less healthily. Some people began to drink more due to being locked down. Some peoples mental health deteriorated. A lot of people were being dismissed by GPS and couldn't get help. There are a lot more factors to consider than simply just "vaccines". Do countries with lower vaccine rates for example have a smaller increase in unexplained deaths? As if it was vaccine related you'd expect unexplained deaths to increase more in countries which have higher vaccine rates. I'm just glad I'm not too heavily invested in all the above. I've got some friends who are just obsessed with covid and all the conspiracies under the sun and one of them I do think seems to be developing some form of scitzophrenia or manic episodes and I wouldn't be surprised if the shite he watches and listens to is contributing to that. Its a dangerous rabbit hole to venture into if you get far too deep. Because like I said where does it stop? If they can spike vaccines to make people ill. Why not put stuff into the air? The water? Our food? Our soap? Our shampoo? Cooking oil? Processed food? Etc.. Etc.. The best I can do is just look at the facts I do have and try and make the best decisions for myself based on that. If the vaccine is going to kill us all then so be it. I'd probably rather be dead than living in a world of paranoid schizophrenics who would likely just be enslaved by the government overlords to do manual labour and act as modern day slaves. Because ultimately if it is a conspiracy and 80% of the world are due to die. I don't think the remaining 20% spread across the earth have much hope against drones, nukes and every other danger in the world. I was pretty sure it was a conspiracy but then took the vaccine on the rationale it was the unvaxxed they were gona bump off as they’re the hardest to control.
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Post by hotterpotter on Jan 1, 2023 21:21:59 GMT
I would’ve made sure she cooked today’s Sunday dinner So she wouldn't have isolated with a cold? Interesting. Great. Now I can't get Hercule Poirot out of my head!
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Post by gawa on Jan 1, 2023 21:26:15 GMT
Oh I 100% agree with you and I'm double vaccinated myself. Even before getting it I couldn't say I had 100% confidence in it, but as a cynical person I'm never going to have 100% confidence in anything being pushed heavily by the government. And the same goes for other vaccines I've had in my life such as tetanus, bcg, flu jabs etc.. I don't know how effective they are and whether what we are told is what's in them. Could be injecting me with HIV for all I know and I wouldn't know better. Same goes for when I get a McDonald's, for all I know the drinks are laced with stuff. Same goes for the water from my sink. I guess for me though I just thought "fuck it". If it is some mad conspiracy then vaccinated or not vaccinated we're all fucked. Because if something to that scale can be so easily implemented then they can just as easily mess with the water supply or other drugs provided by the health services. The one part I never quite understood though was, what's the motive or end goal if it is a conspiracy? Why have Russia, China, North Korea etc.. All agreed to go along with this conspiracy too? Surely covid would be the perfect weapon for Russia or China to cause distrust in the west. So why are they obliging if its all a conspiracy? And say it is a conspiracy. Well we know about Trumps links to Russia. We know about Boris Johnson and the Conservative party's links to Russia. But most of the conspiracy theorists push this "left wing woke" narrative when discussing covid and lock downs. But the vast majority of the biggest world powers all had right wing givernments when it happened. Yet they seem to excuse that? I agree though that more research needs to be done to see if there is a connection. I think though we also need to be balanced and consider everything. People became less active. People ate less healthily. Some people began to drink more due to being locked down. Some peoples mental health deteriorated. A lot of people were being dismissed by GPS and couldn't get help. There are a lot more factors to consider than simply just "vaccines". Do countries with lower vaccine rates for example have a smaller increase in unexplained deaths? As if it was vaccine related you'd expect unexplained deaths to increase more in countries which have higher vaccine rates. I'm just glad I'm not too heavily invested in all the above. I've got some friends who are just obsessed with covid and all the conspiracies under the sun and one of them I do think seems to be developing some form of scitzophrenia or manic episodes and I wouldn't be surprised if the shite he watches and listens to is contributing to that. Its a dangerous rabbit hole to venture into if you get far too deep. Because like I said where does it stop? If they can spike vaccines to make people ill. Why not put stuff into the air? The water? Our food? Our soap? Our shampoo? Cooking oil? Processed food? Etc.. Etc.. The best I can do is just look at the facts I do have and try and make the best decisions for myself based on that. If the vaccine is going to kill us all then so be it. I'd probably rather be dead than living in a world of paranoid schizophrenics who would likely just be enslaved by the government overlords to do manual labour and act as modern day slaves. Because ultimately if it is a conspiracy and 80% of the world are due to die. I don't think the remaining 20% spread across the earth have much hope against drones, nukes and every other danger in the world. I was pretty sure it was a conspiracy but then took the vaccine on the rationale it was the unvaxxed they were gona bump off as they’re the hardest to control. Agree mate that was another thought that crossed my mind. If it is a conspiracy surely you'd want to "kill off" those who aren't compliant rather than those following the government lead. I respect the opinions of those though who decide not to take it, as I don't believe vaccines should be imposed on people. Just gets tiresome when some try to impose their views on others. And that goes for both sides.
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Post by jack1 on Jan 2, 2023 23:28:43 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 3, 2023 5:49:50 GMT
It's a year old so surely doesn't touch on the excess deaths / heart issues from this year? Yeah that one can only look at short-term effects from vaccines verus COVID. Infection seems about 2,000 times more likely to put you in hospital for heart problems than Pfizer, and 40 times as likely than Moderna. And obviously the vaccines prevent a shitton of hospitalisations for lung damage. How would you work out how much of a much-later rise is caused long-term by each possible cause? I thought the finger was being pointed at missing or delayed heart care, which makes a lot of sense.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 3, 2023 6:00:14 GMT
Did you see the German study that found unusual heart damage in autopsies on vaccinated cadavers? I don’t profess to have much understanding around the ingredients/make up of the different MRNA vaccines (Moderna & Pfizer) but do you know the difference between Moderna and Pfizer one? Put another way, why is the Moderna one deemed less safe? Was it this German study? There are a few but that has the biggest sample size and made the splashiest headlines that I saw. I don't know much biology so asked people who know better & if I understood them* we don't know about Pfizer vs Moderna effect differences, it's just measured. The Moderna dose is bigger, and maybe they encode different parts of the spike protein? I can only speculate cluelessly about that, but I'm alright at understanding stats so I read more of those studies rather than the bio mechanism ones. *there's a good chance I messed up, I confuse my Krebs cycle and ketosis or whatever all the time. The words just swim in my head
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 3, 2023 6:04:58 GMT
One of the fucked up things is that now Pfizer is price gouging for the vaccines in the US, where they can get away with that shit. Prices going up to $120 for boosters. Absolutely cuntishness but... Pfizer must have worked out that the insurance companies know the booster's worth at least $120 in savings on other healthcare costs. The earlier jabs must have saved loads more than $120 each in health damages, because people were less immune and alpha/delta were nastier. Put another way: if the vaccines actually made people sicker, or didn't do much, then no private insurance company would pay for them in the US market.
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Post by swampmongrel on Jan 3, 2023 7:44:14 GMT
One of the fucked up things is that now Pfizer is price gouging for the vaccines in the US, where they can get away with that shit. Prices going up to $120 for boosters. Absolutely cuntishness but... Pfizer must have worked out that the insurance companies know the booster's worth at least $120 in savings on other healthcare costs. The earlier jabs must have saved loads more than $120 each in health damages, because people were less immune and alpha/delta were nastier. Put another way: if the vaccines actually made people sicker, or didn't do much, then no private insurance company would pay for them in the US market. Will US insurers pay for anyone to have it whatever their age? Do you know? 120 dollars is probably good value for a chunky 80 year old but it wouldn’t make sense for anyone less than 50/60.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 3, 2023 7:53:19 GMT
Did you see the German study that found unusual heart damage in autopsies on vaccinated cadavers? I don’t profess to have much understanding around the ingredients/make up of the different MRNA vaccines (Moderna & Pfizer) but do you know the difference between Moderna and Pfizer one? Put another way, why is the Moderna one deemed less safe? Was it this German study? There are a few but that has the biggest sample size and made the splashiest headlines that I saw. I don't know much biology so asked people who know better & if I understood them* we don't know about Pfizer vs Moderna effect differences, it's just measured. The Moderna dose is bigger, and maybe they encode different parts of the spike protein? I can only speculate cluelessly about that, but I'm alright at understanding stats so I read more of those studies rather than the bio mechanism ones. *there's a good chance I messed up, I confuse my Krebs cycle and ketosis or whatever all the time. The words just swim in my head Its really concerning that while Moderna has been banned (in many places) for use in under 30’s, that there is no attempt to explain to the population at large the difference between the Moderna and Pfizer jab. They are both new vaccines and based on the same technology so surely and explanation is warranted? Do you not think this is concerning?
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Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2023 9:33:59 GMT
I'm honestly surprised anyone is still testing I didn’t realise anybody still was. Ridiculous really I had it again two weeks before Xmas and tested, didn't want to pass it onto my mum, mid 80's who is having health issues atm, and the mother in law, 87 with natural diabetes (worse risk group) My lad, 6'3" and aged 32 caught it off me, he was rough with it, the flu symptoms for 3 days, vomiting for 2 days etc and still wheezing and coughing from it 3 weeks later
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