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Post by noustie on Jan 3, 2023 10:34:16 GMT
It's a year old so surely doesn't touch on the excess deaths / heart issues from this year? Yeah that one can only look at short-term effects from vaccines verus COVID. Infection seems about 2,000 times more likely to put you in hospital for heart problems than Pfizer, and 40 times as likely than Moderna. And obviously the vaccines prevent a shitton of hospitalisations for lung damage. How would you work out how much of a much-later rise is caused long-term by each possible cause? I thought the finger was being pointed at missing or delayed heart care, which makes a lot of sense. I think if Chris Whitty really believed it was down to a delay in health care he wouldn't be going public on the afternoon of New Year's Eve to make his thoughts known. It's surely quite an easy thing to test too - are the number of statins prescribed up, down or around the same as previous years. If below then questions around access are valid but would need to show an x% drop correlated with a y% increase. If it's about the same then questions around the increase in heart conditions should be questioned and if there is more prescriptions yet an increase in excess mortality then there needs to be an urgent review. There's links in the text but according to this Australia saw similar rise in heart related excess deaths without the pressures of Covid or reduction in health care: www.hartgroup.org/what-are-people-not-dying-of/The rise in vascular deaths begins in early 2021. This is coincidental with the vaccination rollout, and whilst correlation does not equate to causation, this surely raises the possibility of a causal relationship.
There are several reasons why vaccination may be responsible for this rise:
The original trial showed four cardiac arrest deaths in the treated arm and only one in the placebo arm after only around 6 months’ follow up. The evidence for vaccine induced myocarditis is well established and in older patients this may be mistaken for more common forms of heart disease. Studies in Thailand and Switzerland have shown rises in troponin levels consistent with damaged heart muscle in 3% of those vaccinated. Heart cells cannot be replaced and the scarring can lead to electrical conduction issues and sudden death. Vaccinated people had a rise in cardiovascular risk factors that would predict a significantly increased risk of heart disease (from 11% to 25% risk of a heart attack in 5 years). Dr Aseem Malhotra has reported on a separate team of cardiology researchers who had found the covid vaccine had caused inflammation around the coronary arteries but did not want to publish in case they lost funding from the pharmaceutical industry. HART has reported on the extra 20,000 cardiac arrest calls to ambulances in 2021 compared to 2019 (14,000 more than 2020). An Israeli paper showed a 25% increase in acute coronary syndrome and cardiac arrest calls in 16-39 year olds in Israel associated with the first and second doses of vaccine but not with covid infection. A study of 35 autopsies in Germany there were 5 deaths caused by vaccine with a further 20 deaths where a contribution from vaccination could not be excluded. Post mortem studies have shown inflammation of the coronary arteries after vaccination causing death four months later. A separate post mortem has shown vaccine derived spike protein in heart muscle in the absence of covid infection in a subject who had myocarditis before he died. The rate of myocardial infarction was disproportionately high in the first three days after vaccination (see figure 3). Australian hospitals have seen intense pressures since summer 2021 despite no significant covid or reduction in healthcare. Australians have seen a similarly timed rise in excess non-covid deaths, with ischaemic heart disease being the biggest contributor. This was despite no significant covid or reduction in healthcare as was seen in UK.The excess deaths would appear too to show a worrying trend in correlation: Excess deaths plotted from time of vaccine rollout - www.hartgroup.org/cumulative-excess-deaths-2020-2022-an-international-comparison/Excess mortality and booster uptake in Eastern and Western Europe - www.hartgroup.org/country-comparison-of-deaths/Igor Chudov showing his workings: igorchudov.substack.com/p/proven-relationship-covid-boosters?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email None of the above would validate a simple-minded statement such as “I just proved that boosters make people croak and die”. That would NOT be a correct interpretation. (hello fact checkers).
What is the proper interpretation is that there is an EXTREMELY PROMINENT RELATIONSHIP between boosters and deaths in 2022. This is an alarm signal and food for thought that needs to be analyzed further. We need to search further to understand causality better.
Demographics is a complicated science and there are demographics institutes in each country. I do not personally own a demographics institute and only do what I can, with the skills I have. However, nobody owns me either.
Despite my stating clearly that I uncovered a correlation, not a causation, I personally believe that boosters ARE a cause of increased mortality. There are many reasons to believe this to be highly likely, but they are a topic for another article.Surely if we're being transparent it is something that is easy to prove or at least study - if x% of the population are vaccinated then the ratio of vaccinated vs unvaccinated dying from subsequent heart conditions should be <x% if it's down to catching covid. If the ratio is about the same then the questions should be around the efficacy of the health providers but if the ratio of vaccinated is higher than the unvaccinated then surely it is essential to question the efficacy of the vaccine. 'We've jabbed billions of folk' is getting into the realms of religion not science and doesn't have the carrot of reincarnation, heaven or 80 virgins at the end of it.
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Post by questionable on Jan 3, 2023 11:01:56 GMT
I didn’t realise anybody still was. Ridiculous really I had it again two weeks before Xmas and tested, didn't want to pass it onto my mum, mid 80's who is having health issues atm, and the mother in law, 87 with natural diabetes (worse risk group) My lad, 6'3" and aged 32 caught it off me, he was rough with it, the flu symptoms for 3 days, vomiting for 2 days etc and still wheezing and coughing from it 3 weeks later Strangely enough the wife keeps complaining of feeling sick, I had the same feeling but with an headache and slept for an entire day. Work have told her to come into work although she’s still testing positive, which she’s done
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Post by musik on Jan 3, 2023 12:21:27 GMT
I didn’t realise anybody still was. Ridiculous really She works with the public and has a history of respiratory issues, we had a few left over and she tested herself. Better to know really rather than passing it on I suppose Sweden are atm about to set the new record for people in hospitals due to Covid-19, they've said over here - several thousands Covid cases are filling the hospital beds as we speak. But not that much in the press about it. I think the vaccine reaction reports have had an effect as well, so a winter dose is seen as an option from the clinics, earlier it was seen as a recommendation. People are standing very close everywhere.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 4, 2023 11:27:40 GMT
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Post by superjw on Jan 4, 2023 12:18:20 GMT
The government are using covid as a way to try and convince the public it will help save the NHS. Which is hanging by a thread because of everything not to do with covid. Yet there are so many who would agree and follow it - the government know exactly how gullible the general public are. Just like standing on your doorstep clapping. What's worse is that people's current financial swamp is all down to the covid overreaction in the first place, surely people havent forgotten that already?
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Post by noustie on Jan 4, 2023 12:38:39 GMT
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Post by noustie on Jan 4, 2023 12:40:58 GMT
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Post by superjw on Jan 4, 2023 12:51:49 GMT
this person 100% wears one in the car on their own
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Post by Davef on Jan 4, 2023 12:59:32 GMT
They can advise all they want. They can also get f****d.
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Post by noustie on Jan 4, 2023 13:02:29 GMT
this person 100% wears one in the car on their own And takes it off when their bum hits a seat in a cafe or bar because that obviously deactivates Covid then puts it back on go to the toilet and whilst their cheeks nestle on a public lavatory seat sit contented they're playing their part in protecting society.
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Post by noustie on Jan 4, 2023 13:04:45 GMT
The government are using covid as a way to try and convince the public it will help save the NHS. Which is hanging by a thread because of everything not to do with covid. Yet there are so many who would agree and follow it - the government know exactly how gullible the general public are. Just like standing on your doorstep clapping. What's worse is that people's current financial swamp is all down to the covid overreaction in the first place, surely people havent forgotten that already? Just waiting on the choir getting back to me: eu.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/education/2020/10/22/great-falls-high-choir-students-take-stage-debut-special-singing-masks-montana-covid-19-coronavirus/3718383001/Opening number already sorted: Every breath you take And every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I'll be watching you Every single day And every word you say Every game you play Every night you stay I'll be watching you
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 4, 2023 19:35:11 GMT
Great news to report this evening folks. Bargain Booze has finally removed their perspex screen meaning I can now retrieve my beers without rolling them towards me at the counter. I couldn’t be happier😀
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 5, 2023 22:45:09 GMT
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Post by knype on Jan 6, 2023 6:33:18 GMT
As suspected all along...
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Post by jack1 on Jan 6, 2023 15:05:48 GMT
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Post by knype on Jan 6, 2023 18:03:50 GMT
Is anyone genuinely surprised ? That's the mindset of certain folk on here too
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Post by gawa on Jan 6, 2023 19:01:43 GMT
The government are using covid as a way to try and convince the public it will help save the NHS. Which is hanging by a thread because of everything not to do with covid. Yet there are so many who would agree and follow it - the government know exactly how gullible the general public are. Just like standing on your doorstep clapping. What's worse is that people's current financial swamp is all down to the covid overreaction in the first place, surely people havent forgotten that already? The worst thing is that the same people lap up the tory excuses for the NHS being a mess being down to covid. When every statistic out there shows its 13 years of mismanagement in the making and with or without covid the NHS had already became a shambles. Too many gullible people happy to ignore 13 years of corruption and just blame covid for all the faults in the country right now. And worst of all there are some that don't even hold the Conservative government with their commons majority to account for all the draconian measures that their MPs voted for and enforced on us. That's the problem with the media mate. Too many people happy to get their news from third party sources rather than looking at the primary source itself. 4 months prior to covid we were being warned about how Jeremy Corbyn was going to make us into a communist state like China. Yet when push comes to shove, he was one of the few which voted down vaccine mandates and lock downs every single time. We would be in a much better position now had JC got elected but far too many sheep in this country that base their opinions on what Murdoch puts on his headlines. At least some are finally waking up.
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Post by knype on Jan 6, 2023 21:50:42 GMT
The government are using covid as a way to try and convince the public it will help save the NHS. Which is hanging by a thread because of everything not to do with covid. Yet there are so many who would agree and follow it - the government know exactly how gullible the general public are. Just like standing on your doorstep clapping. What's worse is that people's current financial swamp is all down to the covid overreaction in the first place, surely people havent forgotten that already? The worst thing is that the same people lap up the tory excuses for the NHS being a mess being down to covid. When every statistic out there shows its 13 years of mismanagement in the making and with or without covid the NHS had already became a shambles. Too many gullible people happy to ignore 13 years of corruption and just blame covid for all the faults in the country right now. And worst of all there are some that don't even hold the Conservative government with their commons majority to account for all the draconian measures that their MPs voted for and enforced on us. That's the problem with the media mate. Too many people happy to get their news from third party sources rather than looking at the primary source itself. 4 months prior to covid we were being warned about how Jeremy Corbyn was going to make us into a communist state like China. Yet when push comes to shove, he was one of the few which voted down vaccine mandates and lock downs every single time. We would be in a much better position now had JC got elected but far too many sheep in this country that base their opinions on what Murdoch puts on his headlines. At least some are finally waking up. Corbyn ? Dear me, that is scraping low down into a barrel
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Post by gawa on Jan 6, 2023 23:10:46 GMT
The worst thing is that the same people lap up the tory excuses for the NHS being a mess being down to covid. When every statistic out there shows its 13 years of mismanagement in the making and with or without covid the NHS had already became a shambles. Too many gullible people happy to ignore 13 years of corruption and just blame covid for all the faults in the country right now. And worst of all there are some that don't even hold the Conservative government with their commons majority to account for all the draconian measures that their MPs voted for and enforced on us. That's the problem with the media mate. Too many people happy to get their news from third party sources rather than looking at the primary source itself. 4 months prior to covid we were being warned about how Jeremy Corbyn was going to make us into a communist state like China. Yet when push comes to shove, he was one of the few which voted down vaccine mandates and lock downs every single time. We would be in a much better position now had JC got elected but far too many sheep in this country that base their opinions on what Murdoch puts on his headlines. At least some are finally waking up. Corbyn ? Dear me, that is scraping low down into a barrel You don't agree with his covid stance? Can't be any worse than the tories. Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020 — Nationwide Lockdown for 28 Days — 4 Nov 2020 551 votes placed. 318 were yes from tories meaning their majority pushed through the lockdown. The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020 366 votes placed for these restrictions. Only 289 voted yes. All 289 were tories. The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 3) and (All Tiers) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2021 544 votes. 322 yes' from tories again voting for draconian measures. There are many more bills but you're getting the picture here. If those tory "yes" were "no" then not a single bill would pass. The only covid bill which they all voted against was the inquiry. Which as someone who has extreme doubts over covid I know you would have been a big supporter for Covid-19 Public Inquiry — Immediate Commencement Every single MP that voted, voted for an enquiry. With the exception of every Conservative and DUP MP. Which in itself highlights what I've been saying for a while but doesn't get through to some. When you've got a majority in the commons, any bill you want passed can be passed. And that's what the tories did Voted time and time again in their pack to lock us down and get us jabbed and when it came to an enquiry they were very quick to band together and say No. Like I said in my last post knype. If you go to the primary source and look at the voting records you learn a lot more than reading the headlines murdoch wants you to believe.
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Post by professorplump on Jan 7, 2023 8:57:56 GMT
The scandal of Mid Staffs which occurred after nearly a decade of Labour Government would indicate that the NHS was already a shambles before the Tories came to power. With regard to the restrictions, I seem to recall that two of the biggest opponents to us coming out of lockdown were Kier Starmer and Mark Drakeford.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 7, 2023 11:14:59 GMT
The scandal of Mid Staffs which occurred after nearly a decade of Labour Government would indicate that the NHS was already a shambles before the Tories came to power. With regard to the restrictions, I seem to recall that two of the biggest opponents to us coming out of lockdown were Kier Starmer and Mark Drakeford. The scandal of Mid Staffs indicates things were a shambles at mid Staffs. The Key indicators for the NHS have got progressively worse during the Tory years.
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Post by henry on Jan 7, 2023 13:38:40 GMT
The scandal of Mid Staffs which occurred after nearly a decade of Labour Government would indicate that the NHS was already a shambles before the Tories came to power. With regard to the restrictions, I seem to recall that two of the biggest opponents to us coming out of lockdown were Kier Starmer and Mark Drakeford. Drakeford turned into a full on control freak. Scary that idiots like him can gain so much power so easily.
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Post by superjw on Jan 7, 2023 13:59:26 GMT
The scandal of Mid Staffs which occurred after nearly a decade of Labour Government would indicate that the NHS was already a shambles before the Tories came to power. With regard to the restrictions, I seem to recall that two of the biggest opponents to us coming out of lockdown were Kier Starmer and Mark Drakeford. Drakeford turned into a full on control freak. Scary that idiots like him can gain so much power so easily. He went full on mental, I remember the outcry about the sanitary products in supermarkets being taped off. If it wasn't so abhorrent it would almost be funny looking back on what most of the public happily swallowed from government
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 7, 2023 14:36:51 GMT
Please take time to watch this
This highlights the madness of the propaganda around vaccines and the lies we are being subjected to. This is how data is being manipulated and how the phrase 'Anti-Science' is being corrupted.
Look who is sponsoring this data which is infiltrating medical journals.
This proves that the projection of 20 million lives saved by the vaccine is absolutely false when in fact hard data suggests the opposite is in fact true.
This propaganda from WHO is something you would expect from a terrorist organisation, or from a totalitarian regime like China or Russia. It also scary that they exert so much power when they are so obviously being manipulated by Big Pharma.
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Post by gawa on Jan 7, 2023 15:50:36 GMT
The scandal of Mid Staffs which occurred after nearly a decade of Labour Government would indicate that the NHS was already a shambles before the Tories came to power. With regard to the restrictions, I seem to recall that two of the biggest opponents to us coming out of lockdown were Kier Starmer and Mark Drakeford. As the old saying goes though. Actions speak louder the words. And the only party who controlled the actions were Torys. All this "Labour this" "Labour that" is fear mongering. And Starmer is irrelevant. He's never stood to be elected for PM before so he'd never have anymore power than what he did which was minimal. If you want to talk about Labour then it has to be Jeremy Corbyn. (but even still he wasn't elected so pretty irrelavtn) Aa for the NHS under labour. There's a full database of stats out there. I can retrieve some if you want. But when the daily mail put the foot in then you know its bad - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10144577/Just-NHS-improved-2010.html
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 9, 2023 5:47:31 GMT
Was it this German study? There are a few but that has the biggest sample size and made the splashiest headlines that I saw. I don't know much biology so asked people who know better & if I understood them* we don't know about Pfizer vs Moderna effect differences, it's just measured. The Moderna dose is bigger, and maybe they encode different parts of the spike protein? I can only speculate cluelessly about that, but I'm alright at understanding stats so I read more of those studies rather than the bio mechanism ones. *there's a good chance I messed up, I confuse my Krebs cycle and ketosis or whatever all the time. The words just swim in my head Its really concerning that while Moderna has been banned (in many places) for use in under 30’s, that there is no attempt to explain to the population at large the difference between the Moderna and Pfizer jab. They are both new vaccines and based on the same technology so surely and explanation is warranted? Do you not think this is concerning? I feel kinda dumb after reading this post I sorta missed that obvious point. The way I was thinking is: biology is fucking mental and two things being similar doesn't mean they'll do the same thing to the body. In my head, "they're both mRNA" might just mean as much medically as "they're both injected". At some point syringes were new technology too - but while injection alone has some risk it's usually the injected medicines that cause different outcomes. So I wasn't giving much importance to them both being mRNA. Obviously Moderna and Pfizer have extra things in common. To my mind, the only real way of getting info about whether it matters was to compare what happens to people who take the vaccine versus those that don't. So I've been following what happened to people and the results say there's a really small risk from days 1-28 that seems to disappear in the months after. I want the least possible suffering and death, and the results are basically "take whatever vaccine you can get but if you're a young male, only pick Moderna if it's the only option". The syringe example up top is a massive exaggeration just to trry and highlight how I was thinking and why I missed your obvious point. I think you're right that loads of people will notice that they're both mRNA tech and wonder why they'd have different side effects, so I agree it'd be great to see that explained more often and more obviously.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 9, 2023 6:40:34 GMT
Yeah that one can only look at short-term effects from vaccines verus COVID. Infection seems about 2,000 times more likely to put you in hospital for heart problems than Pfizer, and 40 times as likely than Moderna. And obviously the vaccines prevent a shitton of hospitalisations for lung damage. How would you work out how much of a much-later rise is caused long-term by each possible cause? I thought the finger was being pointed at missing or delayed heart care, which makes a lot of sense. I think if Chris Whitty really believed it was down to a delay in health care he wouldn't be going public on the afternoon of New Year's Eve to make his thoughts known. It's surely quite an easy thing to test too - are the number of statins prescribed up, down or around the same as previous years. If below then questions around access are valid but would need to show an x% drop correlated with a y% increase. If it's about the same then questions around the increase in heart conditions should be questioned and if there is more prescriptions yet an increase in excess mortality then there needs to be an urgent review. There's links in the text but according to this Australia saw similar rise in heart related excess deaths without the pressures of Covid or reduction in health care: www.hartgroup.org/what-are-people-not-dying-of/The rise in vascular deaths begins in early 2021. This is coincidental with the vaccination rollout, and whilst correlation does not equate to causation, this surely raises the possibility of a causal relationship.
There are several reasons why vaccination may be responsible for this rise:
The original trial showed four cardiac arrest deaths in the treated arm and only one in the placebo arm after only around 6 months’ follow up. The evidence for vaccine induced myocarditis is well established and in older patients this may be mistaken for more common forms of heart disease. Studies in Thailand and Switzerland have shown rises in troponin levels consistent with damaged heart muscle in 3% of those vaccinated. Heart cells cannot be replaced and the scarring can lead to electrical conduction issues and sudden death. Vaccinated people had a rise in cardiovascular risk factors that would predict a significantly increased risk of heart disease (from 11% to 25% risk of a heart attack in 5 years). Dr Aseem Malhotra has reported on a separate team of cardiology researchers who had found the covid vaccine had caused inflammation around the coronary arteries but did not want to publish in case they lost funding from the pharmaceutical industry. HART has reported on the extra 20,000 cardiac arrest calls to ambulances in 2021 compared to 2019 (14,000 more than 2020). An Israeli paper showed a 25% increase in acute coronary syndrome and cardiac arrest calls in 16-39 year olds in Israel associated with the first and second doses of vaccine but not with covid infection. A study of 35 autopsies in Germany there were 5 deaths caused by vaccine with a further 20 deaths where a contribution from vaccination could not be excluded. Post mortem studies have shown inflammation of the coronary arteries after vaccination causing death four months later. A separate post mortem has shown vaccine derived spike protein in heart muscle in the absence of covid infection in a subject who had myocarditis before he died. The rate of myocardial infarction was disproportionately high in the first three days after vaccination (see figure 3). Australian hospitals have seen intense pressures since summer 2021 despite no significant covid or reduction in healthcare. Australians have seen a similarly timed rise in excess non-covid deaths, with ischaemic heart disease being the biggest contributor. This was despite no significant covid or reduction in healthcare as was seen in UK.The excess deaths would appear too to show a worrying trend in correlation: Excess deaths plotted from time of vaccine rollout - www.hartgroup.org/cumulative-excess-deaths-2020-2022-an-international-comparison/Excess mortality and booster uptake in Eastern and Western Europe - www.hartgroup.org/country-comparison-of-deaths/Igor Chudov showing his workings: igorchudov.substack.com/p/proven-relationship-covid-boosters?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email None of the above would validate a simple-minded statement such as “I just proved that boosters make people croak and die”. That would NOT be a correct interpretation. (hello fact checkers).
What is the proper interpretation is that there is an EXTREMELY PROMINENT RELATIONSHIP between boosters and deaths in 2022. This is an alarm signal and food for thought that needs to be analyzed further. We need to search further to understand causality better.
Demographics is a complicated science and there are demographics institutes in each country. I do not personally own a demographics institute and only do what I can, with the skills I have. However, nobody owns me either.
Despite my stating clearly that I uncovered a correlation, not a causation, I personally believe that boosters ARE a cause of increased mortality. There are many reasons to believe this to be highly likely, but they are a topic for another article.Surely if we're being transparent it is something that is easy to prove or at least study - if x% of the population are vaccinated then the ratio of vaccinated vs unvaccinated dying from subsequent heart conditions should be <x% if it's down to catching covid. If the ratio is about the same then the questions should be around the efficacy of the health providers but if the ratio of vaccinated is higher than the unvaccinated then surely it is essential to question the efficacy of the vaccine. What's the link to that German study? The one I found didn't link 5 deaths to the vaccine. I've bolded the bit at the end because that sounds like a good way to do it to me. I bet it's being done but we'll just have to wait for the data gathering and reviews to be done. We already know the short-term death rates are lower among the vaccinated, but I still haven't been convinced about any particular cause for the recent deaths. The Hart group didn't do any grown up analysis but what about these tests and conclusions? Death ratesTry the hypothesis: "most excess deaths are because of the vaccine". Australia and S Korea have much higher vaccination rates than the US, so their death rates should be higher. Australia: 390 deaths per million S Korea: 1,000 deaths per million USA: 3,900 deaths per million Hmmm. TimingS Korea had ~0 excess deaths during its 9 month vaccine campaign. So a mix of Pfizer and AstraZeneca simply cannot cause loads of deaths within 9 months. Perhaps they wait for 9 months then start slaughtering? In the US, there were 750k excess deaths by the 9-month mark. So something else must have killed those 750k, right? RussiaThe Hart group decided not to look at Russia. But Russia's excess deaths are almost 8,000 per million people. Russia also didn't use a single mRNA vaccine, so mRNA vaccines can't be blamed for the extra ~million Russian deaths.
Put the pieces together and to me it looks a lot like the reviewed scientific studies fit better with reality.
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Post by noustie on Jan 9, 2023 15:07:54 GMT
I think if Chris Whitty really believed it was down to a delay in health care he wouldn't be going public on the afternoon of New Year's Eve to make his thoughts known. It's surely quite an easy thing to test too - are the number of statins prescribed up, down or around the same as previous years. If below then questions around access are valid but would need to show an x% drop correlated with a y% increase. If it's about the same then questions around the increase in heart conditions should be questioned and if there is more prescriptions yet an increase in excess mortality then there needs to be an urgent review. There's links in the text but according to this Australia saw similar rise in heart related excess deaths without the pressures of Covid or reduction in health care: www.hartgroup.org/what-are-people-not-dying-of/The rise in vascular deaths begins in early 2021. This is coincidental with the vaccination rollout, and whilst correlation does not equate to causation, this surely raises the possibility of a causal relationship.
There are several reasons why vaccination may be responsible for this rise:
The original trial showed four cardiac arrest deaths in the treated arm and only one in the placebo arm after only around 6 months’ follow up. The evidence for vaccine induced myocarditis is well established and in older patients this may be mistaken for more common forms of heart disease. Studies in Thailand and Switzerland have shown rises in troponin levels consistent with damaged heart muscle in 3% of those vaccinated. Heart cells cannot be replaced and the scarring can lead to electrical conduction issues and sudden death. Vaccinated people had a rise in cardiovascular risk factors that would predict a significantly increased risk of heart disease (from 11% to 25% risk of a heart attack in 5 years). Dr Aseem Malhotra has reported on a separate team of cardiology researchers who had found the covid vaccine had caused inflammation around the coronary arteries but did not want to publish in case they lost funding from the pharmaceutical industry. HART has reported on the extra 20,000 cardiac arrest calls to ambulances in 2021 compared to 2019 (14,000 more than 2020). An Israeli paper showed a 25% increase in acute coronary syndrome and cardiac arrest calls in 16-39 year olds in Israel associated with the first and second doses of vaccine but not with covid infection. A study of 35 autopsies in Germany there were 5 deaths caused by vaccine with a further 20 deaths where a contribution from vaccination could not be excluded. Post mortem studies have shown inflammation of the coronary arteries after vaccination causing death four months later. A separate post mortem has shown vaccine derived spike protein in heart muscle in the absence of covid infection in a subject who had myocarditis before he died. The rate of myocardial infarction was disproportionately high in the first three days after vaccination (see figure 3). Australian hospitals have seen intense pressures since summer 2021 despite no significant covid or reduction in healthcare. Australians have seen a similarly timed rise in excess non-covid deaths, with ischaemic heart disease being the biggest contributor. This was despite no significant covid or reduction in healthcare as was seen in UK.The excess deaths would appear too to show a worrying trend in correlation: Excess deaths plotted from time of vaccine rollout - www.hartgroup.org/cumulative-excess-deaths-2020-2022-an-international-comparison/Excess mortality and booster uptake in Eastern and Western Europe - www.hartgroup.org/country-comparison-of-deaths/Igor Chudov showing his workings: igorchudov.substack.com/p/proven-relationship-covid-boosters?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email None of the above would validate a simple-minded statement such as “I just proved that boosters make people croak and die”. That would NOT be a correct interpretation. (hello fact checkers).
What is the proper interpretation is that there is an EXTREMELY PROMINENT RELATIONSHIP between boosters and deaths in 2022. This is an alarm signal and food for thought that needs to be analyzed further. We need to search further to understand causality better.
Demographics is a complicated science and there are demographics institutes in each country. I do not personally own a demographics institute and only do what I can, with the skills I have. However, nobody owns me either.
Despite my stating clearly that I uncovered a correlation, not a causation, I personally believe that boosters ARE a cause of increased mortality. There are many reasons to believe this to be highly likely, but they are a topic for another article.Surely if we're being transparent it is something that is easy to prove or at least study - if x% of the population are vaccinated then the ratio of vaccinated vs unvaccinated dying from subsequent heart conditions should be <x% if it's down to catching covid. If the ratio is about the same then the questions should be around the efficacy of the health providers but if the ratio of vaccinated is higher than the unvaccinated then surely it is essential to question the efficacy of the vaccine. What's the link to that German study? The one I found didn't link 5 deaths to the vaccine. I've bolded the bit at the end because that sounds like a good way to do it to me. I bet it's being done but we'll just have to wait for the data gathering and reviews to be done. We already know the short-term death rates are lower among the vaccinated, but I still haven't been convinced about any particular cause for the recent deaths. The Hart group didn't do any grown up analysis but what about these tests and conclusions? Death ratesTry the hypothesis: "most excess deaths are because of the vaccine". Australia and S Korea have much higher vaccination rates than the US, so their death rates should be higher. Australia: 390 deaths per million S Korea: 1,000 deaths per million USA: 3,900 deaths per million Hmmm. TimingS Korea had ~0 excess deaths during its 9 month vaccine campaign. So a mix of Pfizer and AstraZeneca simply cannot cause loads of deaths within 9 months. Perhaps they wait for 9 months then start slaughtering? In the US, there were 750k excess deaths by the 9-month mark. So something else must have killed those 750k, right? RussiaThe Hart group decided not to look at Russia. But Russia's excess deaths are almost 8,000 per million people. Russia also didn't use a single mRNA vaccine, so mRNA vaccines can't be blamed for the extra ~million Russian deaths. Put the pieces together and to me it looks a lot like the reviewed scientific studies fit better with reality.
This is the German paper - 35 autopsies where death occurred within 20 days of vaccination. Ten were 'other', four were myocarditis, one fairly certain and 20 likely as there was no other explanation found: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5#ref-CR28In fairness to Hart Group they've said umpteen times correlation doesn't mean causation but indepth study is required. However they more than adequately show correlation given the examples and tracking the increase from date of booster in each country rather than an arbitrary date then tracked them against other European countries. It seems kind of obvious that to do this research has to be done on whether it is or isn't related to the vaccine or how complicit the vaccine is. Instead the research reported is trying to prove its everything but the vaccine - that's not science; that's religion! Governments are on for the bill so they're biased; Pfizer fined umpteen times for shitebaggery hiding their workings for 75 years and admitting to cutting corners to secure the market are biased; WHO reliant on funding are biased; academics reliant on funding are biased so its hardly surprising they're no longer 'travelling at the speed of science' on this. Surely the excess deaths in Europe with the correlation gives a perfect research platform then include places like South Korea to understand why they'd be outliers? Another pretty obvious research opportunity is surely South Africa. If covid causes myocarditis and heart attacks then there's a country with low vaccine uptake and widespread omicron. If it does cause heart issues then there would be excess deaths and you'd be able to work out infection vs heart attacks. If there isn't excess deaths in line with infection of the unvaccinated then why not?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 10, 2023 1:57:53 GMT
Please take time to watch this I watched it and the first study is interesting but in the rest of it he just seems really, really arrogant to me. He uses emotional arguments to throw away the Lancet study and then his Irish numbers don't look properly worked out at all.
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