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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 20:09:56 GMT
I imagine each journo is allowed one question each, which doesn't include pulling them up on not answering an original question or asking to be more specific. If journos could co-ordinate their line of questioning amongst themselves, it would be harder for the politicians to wriggle out of answers. Instead they try to shoehorn several questions into their 15 seconds, none of which get answered. They then proceed to ask the same, previously unanswered question the following day. Yes the remote questioning has made it far harder for the panel to be scrutinized properly.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 20:11:15 GMT
Brexit mates Dyson got the gig? Didn't the government say they'd buy (because they needed) as many as could be made?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 20:16:23 GMT
Brexit mates Dyson got the gig? Didn't the government say they'd buy (because they needed) as many as could be made? Probably but do you trust them as far as you can throw them? From what I’ve read though the gtech one isn’t a full on one? It’s one that would stop people who are pretty ill going on to a more serious one? But can still see the need for that surely? Again no idea how true it is re it’s capabilities but that’s what I read 👍
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Post by medwaypotter on Mar 27, 2020 20:18:54 GMT
Does anyone have the figures broken down by county in the UK? I believe FullerMagic posted one not too long ago. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-casesBy Upper-Tier Local Authority
Birmingham: 366 Hampshire: 317 Southwark: 290 Sheffield: 286 Lambeth: 276 Surrey: 271 Brent: 265 Wandsworth: 228 Croydon: 219 Cumbria: 211 Ealing: 209 Hertfordshire: 206 Harrow: 196 Westminster: 189 Bromley: 188 Kent: 182 Derbyshire: 170 Essex: 166 Lewisham: 158 Newham: 148 Staffordshire: 145 Lancashire: 141 Enfield: 136 Nottinghamshire: 135 Hackney and City of London: 134 Waltham Forest: 130 Hillingdon: 129 Tower Hamlets: 129 Wolverhampton: 128 Greenwich: 128 Merton: 128 Leicestershire: 128 Hounslow: 126 Newcastle upon Tyne: 121 Islington: 120 Kensington and Chelsea: 116 Barnet: 115 Redbridge: 115 Haringey: 113 Oxfordshire: 113 Hammersmith and Fulham: 112 Buckinghamshire: 106 Sandwell: 103 Warwickshire: 101 Liverpool: 100 Walsall: 100 Stoke-on-Trent: 21 By region:London: 4,637 Midlands: 2,090 South East: 1,606 North East and Yorkshire: 1,222 North West: 1,020 East of England: 796 South West: 534 Bromley: 188
Kent: 182
Strange, seeing Bromley is in Kent
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Post by Cast no shadow on Mar 27, 2020 20:22:36 GMT
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 20:22:55 GMT
Brexit mates Dyson got the gig? I don't want to get in the way of your political point scoring but maybe, just maybe it didn't pass the test and reach the required criteria. Don't let any other logical possibility stop you linking it to Brexit though.
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Post by devondumpling on Mar 27, 2020 20:25:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:25:21 GMT
Just taking this thread back to "day to day" stuff, and avoiding politics, how have we been coping?
I must admit that I have nipped out every day so far. I can legally do that I believe. I will need to visit the Chemist tomorrow to collect a prescription. Next to the Chemist is a Bargain Booze - quite handy that really. Am I taking the piss out of the Govt advice?
We actually got caught out by all of this. By the time we realised that "staying indoors" was the command, the supermarket shelves had been stripped. We have at least two weeks food in our small fridge freezer (I am quite inventive when it comes to cooking) - but it is the small stuff that is the problem. I have three frozen packets of lamb's liver, and potatoes, but no onions.
Yesterday I had everything for a chile con carne, but no kidney beans. Yes I could have done a cottage pie, but that would have used up all of the potatoes.
I am always trying to cook a meal for four, and freezing two of those meals ....
Limited rice and pasta now.
We do have "family" that are offering to shop for us - we will probably take up that offer (depending on how the big supermarkets go on with delivery slots)
So guys, how is it going?
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Post by devondumpling on Mar 27, 2020 20:26:41 GMT
Brexit mates Dyson got the gig? Didn't the government say they'd buy (because they needed) as many as could be made? No 30000
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Post by salopstick on Mar 27, 2020 20:30:54 GMT
My biggest problem that will add to my anxiety comes next weekend.
I grew up 7 kids mum and dad on dole so we were always fed and the first thing they did every two weeks with giro was fill the freezer and pantry. At least what ever else happened we got fed
Since I had kids (I was quite skint for first couple of years) I have always did a monthly shop. Freezer pantry cleaning stuff everything. All I buy as hoc is bread fruit and veg. I use a variety of shops to make sure the fridge freezer and cupboards are full. Double up on everything etc. If I’m skint half way through the month I’m happy knowing the family can get fed.
I think I will struggle to do that in the circumstances
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Mar 27, 2020 20:32:52 GMT
wow algor is a perma-state of anger
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:35:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:37:43 GMT
That US trend is a bit worrying.
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 20:40:23 GMT
Just taking this thread back to "day to day" stuff, and avoiding politics, how have we been coping? I must admit that I have nipped out every day so far. I can legally do that I believe. I will need to visit the Chemist tomorrow to collect a prescription. Next to the Chemist is a Bargain Booze - quite handy that really. Am I taking the piss out of the Govt advice? We actually got caught out by all of this. By the time we realised that "staying indoors" was the command, the supermarket shelves had been stripped. We have at least two weeks food in our small fridge freezer (I am quite inventive when it comes to cooking) - but it is the small stuff that is the problem. I have three frozen packets of lamb's liver, and potatoes, but no onions. Yesterday I had everything for a chile con carne, but no kidney beans. Yes I could have done a cottage pie, but that would have used up all of the potatoes. I am always trying to cook a meal for four, and freezing two of those meals .... Limited rice and pasta now. We do have "family" that are offering to shop for us - we will probably take up that offer (depending on how the big supermarkets go on with delivery slots) So guys, how is it going? I doubt anyone is going to stop you nipping out daily legally or not, but do you need to? Can you go out once a week and get everything you need for the week? Nipping out daily increases your risk and also the people manning the places you are nipping out to. I don't think we get it yet in this country and we won't until we reach Italy's catastrophic numbers. There are plenty on here who are jumping on the Government for everything done before the outbreak and during it, they have told us to stay at home, if we don't then it is on us. There are 66 million of us and few hundred of them, which will make the biggest impact?
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Post by musik on Mar 27, 2020 20:41:03 GMT
That's fucking heartbreaking. You made me cry, you wanker foster! That's exactly what people all over the world NEED to see!
I'm not surprised a bit. A female representing an Authority here in Sweden said they will make "ethical considerations" and probably soon (=no help at a certain age level). We haven't even 100 dead persons in Sweden yet, but we have the LOWEST number of beds in the whole EU.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 27, 2020 20:44:11 GMT
www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-casesBy Upper-Tier Local Authority
Birmingham: 366 Hampshire: 317 Southwark: 290 Sheffield: 286 Lambeth: 276 Surrey: 271 Brent: 265 Wandsworth: 228 Croydon: 219 Cumbria: 211 Ealing: 209 Hertfordshire: 206 Harrow: 196 Westminster: 189 Bromley: 188 Kent: 182 Derbyshire: 170 Essex: 166 Lewisham: 158 Newham: 148 Staffordshire: 145 Lancashire: 141 Enfield: 136 Nottinghamshire: 135 Hackney and City of London: 134 Waltham Forest: 130 Hillingdon: 129 Tower Hamlets: 129 Wolverhampton: 128 Greenwich: 128 Merton: 128 Leicestershire: 128 Hounslow: 126 Newcastle upon Tyne: 121 Islington: 120 Kensington and Chelsea: 116 Barnet: 115 Redbridge: 115 Haringey: 113 Oxfordshire: 113 Hammersmith and Fulham: 112 Buckinghamshire: 106 Sandwell: 103 Warwickshire: 101 Liverpool: 100 Walsall: 100 Stoke-on-Trent: 21 By region:London: 4,637 Midlands: 2,090 South East: 1,606 North East and Yorkshire: 1,222 North West: 1,020 East of England: 796 South West: 534 Bromley: 188
Kent: 182
Strange, seeing Bromley is in Kent
The list is by By Upper-Tier Local Authority so the assumption will be that Bromley is an authority in it's own right, much in the same was that Stoke-on-Trent is separate to Staffordshire.
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Post by musik on Mar 27, 2020 20:47:16 GMT
I will self-isolate for 18 months, or until they have developed a proven vaccine.
My normal life is 90% self-isolation, so it's no big deal to increase it to 97-98%. Walks excluded.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 27, 2020 20:47:38 GMT
What a great question during the Gover Press Conference There are large numbers of people across the country reliant on food banks and other charitable efforts. Charities are still working but many food banks have closed and donations are down. Many volunteers are over 70 and have been advised to stay home. Is there going to be financial and logistical support for these charities and are any of the 700,000 people who have volunteered to help the NHS being committed to this effort. Do you regret the bed reductions and the failure to increase nurse training numbers during your tenure, which left the NHS in a position where it entered this crisis with its critical care bed base among the worst in Europe and the UK having the lowest number of nurses and doctors per head amongst developed nations, according to the OECD. Isn’t the lesson from this crisis that the NHS needs more capacity at all times if it’s going to be ready to deal with this kind of surge in demand and it can’t be made to operate with no slack as has happened under your watch No answer of course. 2
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 27, 2020 20:48:56 GMT
That's fucking heartbreaking. You made me cry, you wanker foster! That's exactly what people all over the world NEED to see!
I'm not surprised a bit. A female representing an Authority here in Sweden said they will make "ethical considerations" and probably soon (=no help at a certain age level). We haven't even 100 dead persons in Sweden yet, but we have the LOWEST number of beds in the whole EU. It seems that pretty much all of the countries are waiting until at least a couple of hundred are dead before taking real action. Staggering that no-one seems to be learning from the mistakes that other countries have already made, in order to act quicker in their own and save more lives. If your compatriots all have their heads screwed on like you and realise the severity of the situation even when your govt. doesn't, then hopefully you'll do well over there mate. Fingers crossed and stay safe
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Post by potteringermany on Mar 27, 2020 20:50:49 GMT
Just done some googling This is from The Independent: “We have been on high alert since January, when the first cases were detected, and we have had time to prepare,” says Professor Marilyn Addo, head of infectious diseases at University Medical Centre Hamburg-Eppendorf. She adds that Germany has learnt from other countries and has been stocking up on test kits and respirators. The high levels of preparation mean Germany has even had capacity to take in a number of critically ill Italian patients – six arrived at Leipzig airport in the eastern state of Saxony on Tuesday morning." Should have been us. It's basically correct. Basically the people believe experts (and they are experts!) are always on television and , so very early on washing hands was done thoroughly (30secs singing happy birthday twice); shaking hands was replaced with elbow-bumps (a technique that people have been used to for several years here if there's a wave of flu about); and sneezing/coughing into the elbow has been taught to the kids for years. It was then explained that the virus can stay on surfaces for upto 9 days (probably dead after 3days) so people started not touching public surfaces (door handles etc) or wearing gloves.
Ontop of that then the way the virus spread and how it rises exponentially was explained so families decided that if the kids could play with one friend or no friends but in a way that the virus transfer chain is broken. Nearly everybody were doing the right things and social distancing before any laws came into place.
As far as going out, all are aware that indoors the the virus spreads alot easier so bars/pubs are the worst possible places to go but if you keep the 2metre rule then going outdoors has always been encouraged. As people saw that a few kids were meeting in larger groups they brought in the max 2 people rule (or family). Everybody follows these with disiplin, as they know if they don't there will be a complete ban. I think everybody are going out everyday - I'm off to a National Park tomorrow and will find a quiet place for a 15mile walk.
You must remember that the first case in Europe was in Bayern on 27 January (a Chinese trainer brought it). What the government did extremely well was to isolate it and all that were in contact. The second cases were probably from skiing in Ischgl and they returned to a small town called Heinsberg. During one evening event 24th Feb, there was an outbreak there and a complete lockdown. That oubreak has caused about 30 deaths. As you hav mentioned, many politicians were preparing for it in January and there are more intensiv beds available than anywhere else in the world. As WHO have stated, testing is the key and they are there are currently 250000 test per week being carried out. that's why there are 42000 known positive cases. they have also used anonomous mobile phone analyses to check that groups have not been building.
The UK strategy was heavily criticised worldwide. On German television it stated that Macron had threatened to completely block all movement between France and the UK before the british strategy was changed.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 20:51:56 GMT
Didn't the government say they'd buy (because they needed) as many as could be made? No 30000 www.politico.eu/article/uk-health-secretary-calls-on-industry-to-switch-to-making-ventilators/Hancock said the government was launching “a call to arms for a drive to build the ventilators and other equipment the NHS will need … We now need any manufacturers to transform their production lines to make ventilators. We cannot make too many.” Speaking on Sky News on Sunday, Hancock said: “If you produce a ventilator, we will buy it. No number is too high.”
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 20:55:08 GMT
wow algor is a perma-state of anger Sorry I don't mean to be. I just despair with some people. People reveling in the PM and health secretary catching the virus during our biggest health crisis in living memory, people doing what the fuck they want because they think their needs are greater than everyone else. We are fucked!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:59:03 GMT
Just taking this thread back to "day to day" stuff, and avoiding politics, how have we been coping? I must admit that I have nipped out every day so far. I can legally do that I believe. I will need to visit the Chemist tomorrow to collect a prescription. Next to the Chemist is a Bargain Booze - quite handy that really. Am I taking the piss out of the Govt advice? We actually got caught out by all of this. By the time we realised that "staying indoors" was the command, the supermarket shelves had been stripped. We have at least two weeks food in our small fridge freezer (I am quite inventive when it comes to cooking) - but it is the small stuff that is the problem. I have three frozen packets of lamb's liver, and potatoes, but no onions. Yesterday I had everything for a chile con carne, but no kidney beans. Yes I could have done a cottage pie, but that would have used up all of the potatoes. I am always trying to cook a meal for four, and freezing two of those meals .... Limited rice and pasta now. We do have "family" that are offering to shop for us - we will probably take up that offer (depending on how the big supermarkets go on with delivery slots) So guys, how is it going? I doubt anyone is going to stop you nipping out daily legally or not, but do you need to? Can you go out once a week and get everything you need for the week? Nipping out daily increases your risk and also the people manning the places you are nipping out to. I don't think we get it yet in this country and we won't until we reach Italy's catastrophic numbers. There are plenty on here who are jumping on the Government for everything done before the outbreak and during it, they have told us to stay at home, if we don't then it is on us. There are 66 million of us and few hundred of them, which will make the biggest impact? You are correct.
I didn't feel at all comfortable on my "nip out" today (Fresh fruit and veg being the objective), it looks like our green grocer has shut up shop, my intended destination. That shop can really be classed as an outdoor shop.
So Lidl it was. Lidl has floors marked out with two meter strips on the floor. People were observing all of the "codes".
But as you say, we have come to the same view, just go out once a fortnight - we will let everything run out, and then make a once only dash out. If the shelves are stripped we would then be fucked - but we will manage.
It isn't too difficult to understand the gravity of this situation. A new hospital being created in London. The NEC (3,000 icu beds?) and another in Manchester. Another in Scotland. Just work the maths back from those that need icu treatment to number of cases? The Govt really are expecting us to have to deal with what Italy and Spain are coping with.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 27, 2020 20:59:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:02:00 GMT
Just done some googling This is from The Independent: “We have been on high alert since January, when the first cases were detected, and we have had time to prepare,” says Professor Marilyn Addo, head of infectious diseases at University Medical Centre Hamburg-Eppendorf. She adds that Germany has learnt from other countries and has been stocking up on test kits and respirators. The high levels of preparation mean Germany has even had capacity to take in a number of critically ill Italian patients – six arrived at Leipzig airport in the eastern state of Saxony on Tuesday morning." Should have been us. It's basically correct. Basically the people believe experts (and they are experts!) are always on television and , so very early on washing hands was done thoroughly (30secs singing happy birthday twice); shaking hands was replaced with elbow-bumps (a technique that people have been used to for several years here if there's a wave of flu about); and sneezing/coughing into the elbow has been taught to the kids for years. It was then explained that the virus can stay on surfaces for upto 9 days (probably dead after 3days) so people started not touching public surfaces (door handles etc) or wearing gloves.
Ontop of that then the way the virus spread and how it rises exponentially was explained so families decided that if the kids could play with one friend or no friends but in a way that the virus transfer chain is broken. Nearly everybody were doing the right things and social distancing before any laws came into place.
As far as going out, all are aware that indoors the the virus spreads alot easier so bars/pubs are the worst possible places to go but if you keep the 2metre rule then going outdoors has always been encouraged. As people saw that a few kids were meeting in larger groups they brought in the max 2 people rule (or family). Everybody follows these with disiplin, as they know if they don't there will be a complete ban. I think everybody are going out everyday - I'm off to a National Park tomorrow and will find a quiet place for a 15mile walk.
You must remember that the first case in Europe was in Bayern on 27 January (a Chinese trainer brought it). What the government did extremely well was to isolate it and all that were in contact. The second cases were probably from skiing in Ischgl and they returned to a small town called Heinsberg. During one evening event 24th Feb, there was an outbreak there and a complete lockdown. That oubreak has caused about 30 deaths. As you hav mentioned, many politicians were preparing for it in January and there are more intensiv beds available than anywhere else in the world. As WHO have stated, testing is the key and they are there are currently 250000 test per week being carried out. that's why there are 42000 known positive cases. they have also used anonomous mobile phone analyses to check that groups have not been building.
The UK strategy was heavily criticised worldwide. On German television it stated that Macron had threatened to completely block all movement between France and the UK before the british strategy was changed.
Fascinating insight. Us (the UK) on the other hand, when Boris announced "the pubs will close tonight", there were masses of idots saying "brilliant, let's all get together for one last piss up."
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2020 21:03:38 GMT
What a great question during the Gover Press Conference There are large numbers of people across the country reliant on food banks and other charitable efforts. Charities are still working but many food banks have closed and donations are down. Many volunteers are over 70 and have been advised to stay home. Is there going to be financial and logistical support for these charities and are any of the 700,000 people who have volunteered to help the NHS being committed to this effort. Do you regret the bed reductions and the failure to increase nurse training numbers during your tenure, which left the NHS in a position where it entered this crisis with its critical care bed base among the worst in Europe and the UK having the lowest number of nurses and doctors per head amongst developed nations, according to the OECD. Isn’t the lesson from this crisis that the NHS needs more capacity at all times if it’s going to be ready to deal with this kind of surge in demand and it can’t be made to operate with no slack as has happened under your watch No answer of course. 2 Have you got tourette's to add to you other ailments mate?
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 27, 2020 21:04:53 GMT
But they are taking companies not to make them? With no explanation? This wreaks of genocide, sorry.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 27, 2020 21:06:32 GMT
My biggest problem that will add to my anxiety comes next weekend. I grew up 7 kids mum and dad on dole so we were always fed and the first thing they did every two weeks with giro was fill the freezer and pantry. At least what ever else happened we got fed Since I had kids (I was quite skint for first couple of years) I have always did a monthly shop. Freezer pantry cleaning stuff everything. All I buy as hoc is bread fruit and veg. I use a variety of shops to make sure the fridge freezer and cupboards are full. Double up on everything etc. If I’m skint half way through the month I’m happy knowing the family can get fed. I think I will struggle to do that in the circumstances Went for a shop today for the first time in over a week, everything was calm, shelves nearly full and rolls and rolls of toilet paper. Last week was a week of madness.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 27, 2020 21:12:27 GMT
But they are taking companies not to make them? With no explanation? This wreaks of genocide, sorry. There must be some incredible guarantees coming out of Dyson, otherwise telling a manufacturer to not make them will be devastating both from a humanitarian and political position. Unless of course there are facts we are still unaware of.
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Post by hcstokie on Mar 27, 2020 21:15:11 GMT
Just taking this thread back to "day to day" stuff, and avoiding politics, how have we been coping? I must admit that I have nipped out every day so far. I can legally do that I believe. I will need to visit the Chemist tomorrow to collect a prescription. Next to the Chemist is a Bargain Booze - quite handy that really. Am I taking the piss out of the Govt advice? We actually got caught out by all of this. By the time we realised that "staying indoors" was the command, the supermarket shelves had been stripped. We have at least two weeks food in our small fridge freezer (I am quite inventive when it comes to cooking) - but it is the small stuff that is the problem. I have three frozen packets of lamb's liver, and potatoes, but no onions. Yesterday I had everything for a chile con carne, but no kidney beans. Yes I could have done a cottage pie, but that would have used up all of the potatoes. I am always trying to cook a meal for four, and freezing two of those meals .... Limited rice and pasta now. We do have "family" that are offering to shop for us - we will probably take up that offer (depending on how the big supermarkets go on with delivery slots) So guys, how is it going? I’ve managed to get everything that I need for my family and my parents by using local suppliers. I’ve felt the pressure a bit with having parents in the high risk category so tried to minimise our visits to shops and rely on deliveries. We’ve found that we’ve been able to get pretty much everything that we need between setting up a milk round, Amazon for household items, a local butcher that delivers and farm shop deliveries for fruit and veg. Tried once to get supermarket deliveries but couldn’t get one at all. Figured it’s better to use a number of shops that deliver compared to going into a supermarket with a massive queue and empty shelves. Keep smiling mate. Spend a couple of hours poking at smaller local shops and I’m sure you’ll find everything you need!
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