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Post by potteringermany on Mar 27, 2020 21:16:12 GMT
As far as I'm aware they are helping. Theg have more recent experience. Im not sure that the virus originating there partucularly obliges them to though. I mean when we deliberately bomb the fuck out of somewhere people moan if we take refugees. It just seems weird that they seem to have it solved with very few new cases and they arent being very open about how they did it. Every country is on lockdown around the world and following the WHO advice but it seems out of control. China is claiming no new cases for over a week. Shouldnt they be sharing their knowledge with the world about how to stop it?? They have proper lockdowns! Have a look at this:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:17:29 GMT
But they are taking companies not to make them? With no explanation? This wreaks of genocide, sorry. Unless of course there are facts we are still unaware of. I wouldn't think that that is a possibility, I would say a certainty.
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 21:18:43 GMT
I doubt anyone is going to stop you nipping out daily legally or not, but do you need to? Can you go out once a week and get everything you need for the week? Nipping out daily increases your risk and also the people manning the places you are nipping out to. I don't think we get it yet in this country and we won't until we reach Italy's catastrophic numbers. There are plenty on here who are jumping on the Government for everything done before the outbreak and during it, they have told us to stay at home, if we don't then it is on us. There are 66 million of us and few hundred of them, which will make the biggest impact? You are correct. I didn't feel at all comfortable on my "nip out" today (Fresh fruit and veg being the objective), it looks like our green grocer has shut up shop, my intended destination. That shop can really be classed as an outdoor shop. So Lidl it was. Lidl has floors marked out with two meter strips on the floor. People were observing all of the "codes". But as you say, we have come to the same view, just go out once a fortnight - we will let everything run out, and then make a once only dash out. If the shelves are stripped we would then be fucked - but we will manage.
It isn't too difficult to understand the gravity of this situation. A new hospital being created in London. The NEC (3,000 icu beds?) and another in Manchester. Another in Scotland. Just work the maths back from those that need icu treatment to number of cases? The Govt really are expecting us to have to deal with what Italy and Spain are coping with.
Who said once a fortnight? What shelves are stripped right now or likely to be next week or the week after? Do what you want fella, every fucker else is. Feel free to infect yourself and anyone else. It is your right after all.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 27, 2020 21:22:15 GMT
I have been reading back through this thread and I find this post harrowing - 24th February MilanStokie posted this... Yep the supermarkets are packed out with panic buying. Not much meat, bread, water or toilet paper left... It only appears to be getting worse as they cannot locate the source of this spread. My kids schools are closed, all schools and universities in Lombardy are closed same with museums and cinemas and many shops, bars and restaurants. Coupled with the curve produced in the FT that 2 week warning period we had I'd looking like a grave misjudgment. Please stay safe everybody, speedy recovery to anybody suffering and do your very best to keep isolated with your family. 🙏
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Post by Kewstokie on Mar 27, 2020 21:22:24 GMT
Isn’t Dyson’s production in Singapore? How about supporting UK or European firms ? Or is the government still playing politics with lives with the disgusting delay in joining the European wide initiative on ventilator procurement. No EU for us
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 27, 2020 21:24:46 GMT
Unless of course there are facts we are still unaware of. I wouldn't think that that is a possibility, I would say a certainty. The more you think about it the more it must be, surely? I wonder what the final figure is we have settled on. Either way, and I stress again let's pray our experts have gotten in right.
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Post by swampmongrel on Mar 27, 2020 21:28:05 GMT
Germany still remains the massive anomaly. Master race. Numerator AND denominator. How many people are being tested and who are they testing? Be careful of apples and oranges.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 27, 2020 21:30:19 GMT
Have you got tourette's to add to you other ailments mate? I didn't see the presser mate. Who asked those questions? The answer to the first one is yes some of the 700k will be utilised to replace elderly volunteers who keep many charities running. Or so my wife tells me who does this stuff for a living. He probably had no idea as it's very specific. Mind you Rishi would have known The second part is a clearly pointed political statement so no surprise he didn't answer.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 27, 2020 21:32:16 GMT
But they are taking companies not to make them? With no explanation? This wreaks of genocide, sorry. There must be some incredible guarantees coming out of Dyson, otherwise telling a manufacturer to not make them will be devastating both from a humanitarian and political position. Unless of course there are facts we are still unaware of. Perhaps the GTech ones don't work. When I saw one on Midlands Today it looked very rudimentary like something I'd knock up in me shed from a watering can and an old football bladder.
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 21:32:44 GMT
Isn’t Dyson’s production in Singapore? How about supporting UK or European firms ? Or is the government still playing politics with lives with the disgusting delay in joining the European wide initiative on ventilator procurement. No EU for usYou are absolutely right, tell him to shove his 11,000 ventilators up his arse. Lets buy them from Italy, Spain or France instead. Disgusting Tory bastards! Another fucking political point scorer, you fucking weapons will be the death of us. All that matters to you is some sort of political moral high ground and the dead will just be collateral damage which justify your politics.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 27, 2020 21:33:42 GMT
There must be some incredible guarantees coming out of Dyson, otherwise telling a manufacturer to not make them will be devastating both from a humanitarian and political position. Unless of course there are facts we are still unaware of. Perhaps the GTech ones don't work. When I saw one on Midlands Today it looked very rudimentary like something I'd knock up in me shed from a watering can and an old football bladder. To be fair I think that's where he knocks up his vacuums. (which are very good)
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Post by mattyd on Mar 27, 2020 21:36:36 GMT
One real sad element of all of this is the forthcoming VE75 celebrations.
These will seriously be cancelled, and yes, plenty of time later in the year, but May 8th is something special.
And sad to say, those heroes that are still with us are getting less and less each year, more so in these terrible times.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 27, 2020 21:38:05 GMT
Didn't the government say they'd buy (because they needed) as many as could be made? No 30000 No there was a minister on TV last week promising that the government would buy every ventilator produced
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 27, 2020 21:39:52 GMT
Isn’t Dyson’s production in Singapore? How about supporting UK or European firms ? Or is the government still playing politics with lives with the disgusting delay in joining the European wide initiative on ventilator procurement. No EU for usThey are producing them in the Wiltshire factory where they were going to produce the electric car.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 27, 2020 21:41:05 GMT
Perhaps the GTech ones don't work. When I saw one on Midlands Today it looked very rudimentary like something I'd knock up in me shed from a watering can and an old football bladder. To be fair I think that's where he knocks up his vacuums. (which are very good) I wondered what that fucking noise was. I thought I'd got rats.
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Post by foster on Mar 27, 2020 21:42:40 GMT
Germany still remains the massive anomaly. Master race. Numerator AND denominator. How many people are being tested and who are they testing? Be careful of apples and oranges. Germany tested 3x as many with less than half as many fatalities. Could just go with fatalities as you would expect Germany has or had as many infections as the UK before it began with the lockdown. It's not comparing apples with oranges.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 27, 2020 21:42:48 GMT
Isn’t Dyson’s production in Singapore? How about supporting UK or European firms ? Or is the government still playing politics with lives with the disgusting delay in joining the European wide initiative on ventilator procurement. No EU for usThey are producing them in the Wiltshire factory where they were going to produce the electric car. Wrong on both counts LG... Wiltshire is just R & D, nothing is produced there, it's all made in Singapore, which is where the car was going to be built, but they have now scrapped the car project anyway.
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 21:47:26 GMT
Isn’t Dyson’s production in Singapore? How about supporting UK or European firms ? Or is the government still playing politics with lives with the disgusting delay in joining the European wide initiative on ventilator procurement. No EU for usThey are producing them in the Wiltshire factory where they were going to produce the electric car. Don't let that get in the way of his politics mate. The who made what where doesn't really matter. Tories are cunt's and nothing else but that message matters. Death, destruction, poverty, virus's it's all the Tories, the more the better it justifies these people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:49:26 GMT
You are correct. I didn't feel at all comfortable on my "nip out" today (Fresh fruit and veg being the objective), it looks like our green grocer has shut up shop, my intended destination. That shop can really be classed as an outdoor shop. So Lidl it was. Lidl has floors marked out with two meter strips on the floor. People were observing all of the "codes". But as you say, we have come to the same view, just go out once a fortnight - we will let everything run out, and then make a once only dash out. If the shelves are stripped we would then be fucked - but we will manage.
It isn't too difficult to understand the gravity of this situation. A new hospital being created in London. The NEC (3,000 icu beds?) and another in Manchester. Another in Scotland. Just work the maths back from those that need icu treatment to number of cases? The Govt really are expecting us to have to deal with what Italy and Spain are coping with.
Feel free to infect yourself and anyone else. It is your right after all. Can you actually read or do you have someone reading this for you? If so, I would sack them. Their level of "comprehension" with the English language has failed massively.
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Post by foster on Mar 27, 2020 21:51:26 GMT
Isn’t Dyson’s production in Singapore? How about supporting UK or European firms ? Or is the government still playing politics with lives with the disgusting delay in joining the European wide initiative on ventilator procurement. No EU for usYou are absolutely right, tell him to shove his 11,000 ventilators up his arse. Lets buy them from Italy, Spain or France instead. Disgusting Tory bastards! Another fucking political point scorer, you fucking weapons will be the death of us. All that matters to you is some sort of political moral high ground and the dead will just be collateral damage which justify your politics. I really don't see what's wrong with his post. You're the one saying that we shouldn't look at all the sources available to save lives.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 27, 2020 21:52:17 GMT
They are producing them in the Wiltshire factory where they were going to produce the electric car. Wrong on both counts LG... Wiltshire is just R & D, nothing is produced there, it's all made in Singapore, which is where the car was going to be built, but they have now scrapped the car project anyway. I beg to differ. The Swindon Advertiser never lies. "Dyson is redirecting staff and resources to set up two production lines at a former wartime RAF base at Hullavington, Wiltshire, where the company had previously planned to manufacture an electric car". Edit the vacuum's are produced in Malaysia and the head office is in Singapore which is why I'd never buy a Dyson vac again.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 27, 2020 21:57:27 GMT
Wrong on both counts LG... Wiltshire is just R & D, nothing is produced there, it's all made in Singapore, which is where the car was going to be built, but they have now scrapped the car project anyway. I beg to differ. The Swindon Advertiser never lies. "Dyson is redirecting staff and resources to set up two production lines at a former wartime RAF base at Hullavington, Wiltshire, where the company had previously planned to manufacture an electric car". Yes, they planned to build them there initially, but switched to Singapore, I should know, I was a T1 Automotive supplier and we send loads of samples and tooling to Singapore to be trialed, but they pulled the plug ( pun intended ) anyway. And here's an article to verify it. www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/tech/dyson-plots-electric-car-with-breakthrough-battery-car-june-2016/
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 21:58:12 GMT
They are producing them in the Wiltshire factory where they were going to produce the electric car. Wrong on both counts LG... Wiltshire is just R & D, nothing is produced there, it's all made in Singapore, which is where the car was going to be built, but they have now scrapped the car project anyway. I think you are wrong, they will be built in Wiltshire using existing motors made in Singapore and using other parts sourced from Asian countries. They appear to have confirmed that assembly will be in Wiltshire.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 27, 2020 21:59:30 GMT
Wrong on both counts LG... Wiltshire is just R & D, nothing is produced there, it's all made in Singapore, which is where the car was going to be built, but they have now scrapped the car project anyway. I think you are wrong, they will be built in Wiltshire using existing motors made in Singapore and using other parts sourced from Asian countries. They appear to have confirmed that assembly will be in Wiltshire. Fair enough... I presumed, wrongly, it would be at their vacuum plant in Singapore...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 27, 2020 21:59:42 GMT
I beg to differ. The Swindon Advertiser never lies. "Dyson is redirecting staff and resources to set up two production lines at a former wartime RAF base at Hullavington, Wiltshire, where the company had previously planned to manufacture an electric car". Yes, they planned to build them there initially, but switched to Singapore, I should know, I was a T1 Automotive supplier and we send loads of samples and tooling to Singapore to be trialed, but they pulled the plug ( pun intended ) anyway. And here's an article to verify it. www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/tech/dyson-plots-electric-car-with-breakthrough-battery-car-june-2016/So in other words both I and the Swindon Advertiser were in fact correct on both counts.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 27, 2020 22:02:29 GMT
So in other words both I and the Swindon Advertiser were in fact correct on both counts. As indeed was I......Well...On the car bit anyway....Fucked it up on the ventilator bit though.
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 22:03:11 GMT
Feel free to infect yourself and anyone else. It is your right after all. Can you actually read or do you have someone reading this for you? If so, I would sack them. Their level of "comprehension" with the English language has failed massively. Bollox, you were taking the piss and then edited your post!
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Post by liathroid on Mar 27, 2020 22:03:11 GMT
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Post by Timmypotter on Mar 27, 2020 22:06:31 GMT
Wrong on both counts LG... Wiltshire is just R & D, nothing is produced there, it's all made in Singapore, which is where the car was going to be built, but they have now scrapped the car project anyway. I beg to differ. The Swindon Advertiser never lies. "Dyson is redirecting staff and resources to set up two production lines at a former wartime RAF base at Hullavington, Wiltshire, where the company had previously planned to manufacture an electric car". Edit the vacuum's are produced in Malaysia and the head office is in Singapore which is why I'd never buy a Dyson vac again. A lady down the road from me was taken off in an ambulance last night with suspected complications from the virus. Apparently they've put her on one of the Dyson ventilators and now she's picking up nicely.
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Post by algor on Mar 27, 2020 22:06:40 GMT
You are absolutely right, tell him to shove his 11,000 ventilators up his arse. Lets buy them from Italy, Spain or France instead. Disgusting Tory bastards! Another fucking political point scorer, you fucking weapons will be the death of us. All that matters to you is some sort of political moral high ground and the dead will just be collateral damage which justify your politics. I really don't see what's wrong with his post. You're the one saying that we shouldn't look at all the sources available to save lives. Read both posts again, his is clearly a political point scoring exercise and mine was irony, I think the "you fucking weapons" comment gives this away.
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