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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 27, 2020 19:06:43 GMT
This definition of Antigens from Sky is so so wrong it hurts. Antigens are not part of the immune system at all, nor are they triggered. They are proteins on the viral surface or other area that are recognised by the immune system as being foreign. There are cells which present the antigens to the immune system and then the body makes antibodies to conform to their structure allowing the substance presenting them to be broken down and targeted. I can’t believe this has been published. That said, an antigen test will be far quicker than the PCR method being used previously to confirm positive cases, but it will not be able to assess if you have had the virus like the antibody test, as by the time you have antibodies present in sufficient volume the antigens have been eliminated. Antigens are what the eventual vaccine will contain. minus the rest of the virus, as these are what the body responds to and produced antibodies for.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 27, 2020 19:08:15 GMT
Germany still remains the massive anomaly. Master race. Well prepared and well equipped. Didn't waste time locking things down. People trust Angie and their other politicians. They are supremely organised. It's in their DNA. They will have back up contingency plans in place as well. Even though we share similar roots and ancestors they are on a different zone as regards organization.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Mar 27, 2020 19:11:23 GMT
Hi Dr H. Whats it like in Cairo. One of my cousins there is a virologist at the University, they were instrumental in finding a vaccine for MERS many years ago. I wish scientists here can participate in that, but frankly speaking I am not expecting that, I am expecting the vaccine to come from USA or China. The army started a factory for M3 Face Masks and they promise producing 100.000 masks per day, the gov. sent already +1 million face mask to Italy, people and doctors are angry because there is a shortage everywhere but I think this was a good move from the government as they may need it at this stage in Italy more than us.
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Post by zerps on Mar 27, 2020 19:14:31 GMT
Just done some googling This is from The Independent: “We have been on high alert since January, when the first cases were detected, and we have had time to prepare,” says Professor Marilyn Addo, head of infectious diseases at University Medical Centre Hamburg-Eppendorf. She adds that Germany has learnt from other countries and has been stocking up on test kits and respirators. The high levels of preparation mean Germany has even had capacity to take in a number of critically ill Italian patients – six arrived at Leipzig airport in the eastern state of Saxony on Tuesday morning." Should have been us. Nearly was, no thanks to Churchill
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:14:33 GMT
This definition of Antigens from Sky is so so wrong it hurts. Antigens are not part of the immune system at all, nor are they triggered. They are proteins on the viral surface or other area that are recognised by the immune system as being foreign. There are cells which present the antigens to the immune system and then the body makes antibodies to conform to their structure allowing the substance presenting them to be broken down and targeted. I can’t believe this has been published. That said, an antigen test will be far quicker than the PCR method being used previously to confirm positive cases, but it will not be able to assess if you have had the virus like the antibody test, as by the time you have antibodies present in sufficient volume the antigens have been eliminated. Antigens are what the eventual vaccine will contain. minus the rest of the virus, as these are what the body responds to and produced antibodies for. I was literally just about to post the same thing. Verbatim.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:14:40 GMT
Germany still remains the massive anomaly. Master race. They must be using some form of treatment over there that's really good? Does anyone know if they are? I have posted this before, but Germans will comply with Govt instructions - we tend to bend the rules issued by Govt as far as possible.
The pedestrian crossings illustrate this very well. With the light flashing red, and no traffic in sight, the Brit will trot across the road. Germans seeing us do this will "tut tut", and shake their heads.
If you are on a bus in Germany, you will never see anyone buying or showing a ticket (or pass). They just get on and off the bus. Because, the rule is that everything must be "prepaid" - the buses run on time as a result. Failing to be "prepaid" and getting caught out results in very serious consequences.
I have mentioned their almost obsession with recycling and the correct usage of the bins - they have more than three bins.
Compliance with instructions must be part of their success with this virus.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 27, 2020 19:18:23 GMT
Branson wants a bailout
Cunt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:22:21 GMT
Branson wants a bailout Cunt Vile arse. Sticks his workers on 8 weeks unpaid leave then asks for a few billion to keep him in his private island. Despise the tosser.
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Post by Davef on Mar 27, 2020 19:24:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:26:33 GMT
Does anyone have the figures broken down by county in the UK? I believe FullerMagic posted one not too long ago.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 27, 2020 19:28:47 GMT
Just done some googling This is from The Independent: “We have been on high alert since January, when the first cases were detected, and we have had time to prepare,” says Professor Marilyn Addo, head of infectious diseases at University Medical Centre Hamburg-Eppendorf. She adds that Germany has learnt from other countries and has been stocking up on test kits and respirators. The high levels of preparation mean Germany has even had capacity to take in a number of critically ill Italian patients – six arrived at Leipzig airport in the eastern state of Saxony on Tuesday morning." Should have been us. Armchair general does he know you bayern ?
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Post by medwaypotter on Mar 27, 2020 19:29:51 GMT
Germany still remains the massive anomaly. Master race. We mock their steely, robotic efficiency but it doesn’t half produce results. Yeah, just ask the Jews.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 27, 2020 19:30:38 GMT
Branson wants a bailout Cunt Vile arse. Sticks his workers on 8 weeks unpaid leave then asks for a few billion to keep him in his private island. Despise the tosser. Thats not true by the way the staff get paid every month they agreed to 8 weeks to be taken out over 6 months pay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:32:23 GMT
Vile arse. Sticks his workers on 8 weeks unpaid leave then asks for a few billion to keep him in his private island. Despise the tosser. Thats not true by the way the staff get paid every month they agreed to 8 weeks to be taken out over 6 months pay. So they lose 8 weeks pay?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 27, 2020 19:35:17 GMT
Does anyone have the figures broken down by county in the UK? I believe FullerMagic posted one not too long ago. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-casesBy Upper-Tier Local Authority
Birmingham: 366 Hampshire: 317 Southwark: 290 Sheffield: 286 Lambeth: 276 Surrey: 271 Brent: 265 Wandsworth: 228 Croydon: 219 Cumbria: 211 Ealing: 209 Hertfordshire: 206 Harrow: 196 Westminster: 189 Bromley: 188 Kent: 182 Derbyshire: 170 Essex: 166 Lewisham: 158 Newham: 148 Staffordshire: 145 Lancashire: 141 Enfield: 136 Nottinghamshire: 135 Hackney and City of London: 134 Waltham Forest: 130 Hillingdon: 129 Tower Hamlets: 129 Wolverhampton: 128 Greenwich: 128 Merton: 128 Leicestershire: 128 Hounslow: 126 Newcastle upon Tyne: 121 Islington: 120 Kensington and Chelsea: 116 Barnet: 115 Redbridge: 115 Haringey: 113 Oxfordshire: 113 Hammersmith and Fulham: 112 Buckinghamshire: 106 Sandwell: 103 Warwickshire: 101 Liverpool: 100 Walsall: 100 Stoke-on-Trent: 21 By region:London: 4,637 Midlands: 2,090 South East: 1,606 North East and Yorkshire: 1,222 North West: 1,020 East of England: 796 South West: 534
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Post by salopstick on Mar 27, 2020 19:41:41 GMT
Branson wants a bailout Cunt Vile arse. Sticks his workers on 8 weeks unpaid leave then asks for a few billion to keep him in his private island. Despise the tosser. And sued NHS when he didn’t win a contract
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 27, 2020 19:41:47 GMT
Thats not true by the way the staff get paid every month they agreed to 8 weeks to be taken out over 6 months pay. So they lose 8 weeks pay? Not in one go in an industry that is going to be seriously screwed for at least 6-12 months its no wonder the actual staff voted hands down for it, if the government was paying they would be many getting 80% of the pay which is pretty similar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:43:39 GMT
So they lose 8 weeks pay? Not in one go in an industry that is going to be seriously screwed for at least 6-12 months its no wonder the actual staff voted hands down for it, if the government was paying they would be many getting 80% of the pay which is pretty similar. So they're losing 8 weeks' pay. Got it. From an owner with a net worth of several billion, clearly it would be impossible for virgin to pay their staff the 8 weeks' wages.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 19:46:24 GMT
Just done some googling This is from The Independent: “We have been on high alert since January, when the first cases were detected, and we have had time to prepare,” says Professor Marilyn Addo, head of infectious diseases at University Medical Centre Hamburg-Eppendorf. She adds that Germany has learnt from other countries and has been stocking up on test kits and respirators. The high levels of preparation mean Germany has even had capacity to take in a number of critically ill Italian patients – six arrived at Leipzig airport in the eastern state of Saxony on Tuesday morning." Should have been us. Armchair general does he know you bayern ? Insulting tbh. It’s Field Marshall to you.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 19:47:41 GMT
Does anyone have the figures broken down by county in the UK? I believe FullerMagic posted one not too long ago. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-casesBy Upper-Tier Local Authority
Birmingham: 366 Hampshire: 317 Southwark: 290 Sheffield: 286 Lambeth: 276 Surrey: 271 Brent: 265 Wandsworth: 228 Croydon: 219 Cumbria: 211 Ealing: 209 Hertfordshire: 206 Harrow: 196 Westminster: 189 Bromley: 188 Kent: 182 Derbyshire: 170 Essex: 166 Lewisham: 158 Newham: 148 Staffordshire: 145 Lancashire: 141 Enfield: 136 Nottinghamshire: 135 Hackney and City of London: 134 Waltham Forest: 130 Hillingdon: 129 Tower Hamlets: 129 Wolverhampton: 128 Greenwich: 128 Merton: 128 Leicestershire: 128 Hounslow: 126 Newcastle upon Tyne: 121 Islington: 120 Kensington and Chelsea: 116 Barnet: 115 Redbridge: 115 Haringey: 113 Oxfordshire: 113 Hammersmith and Fulham: 112 Buckinghamshire: 106 Sandwell: 103 Warwickshire: 101 Liverpool: 100 Walsall: 100 Stoke-on-Trent: 21 By region:London: 4,637 Midlands: 2,090 South East: 1,606 North East and Yorkshire: 1,222 North West: 1,020 East of England: 796 South West: 534 Any explanation going for Cumbria? Seems so odd.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:50:25 GMT
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Post by Davef on Mar 27, 2020 19:52:31 GMT
www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-casesBy Upper-Tier Local Authority
Birmingham: 366 Hampshire: 317 Southwark: 290 Sheffield: 286 Lambeth: 276 Surrey: 271 Brent: 265 Wandsworth: 228 Croydon: 219 Cumbria: 211 Ealing: 209 Hertfordshire: 206 Harrow: 196 Westminster: 189 Bromley: 188 Kent: 182 Derbyshire: 170 Essex: 166 Lewisham: 158 Newham: 148 Staffordshire: 145 Lancashire: 141 Enfield: 136 Nottinghamshire: 135 Hackney and City of London: 134 Waltham Forest: 130 Hillingdon: 129 Tower Hamlets: 129 Wolverhampton: 128 Greenwich: 128 Merton: 128 Leicestershire: 128 Hounslow: 126 Newcastle upon Tyne: 121 Islington: 120 Kensington and Chelsea: 116 Barnet: 115 Redbridge: 115 Haringey: 113 Oxfordshire: 113 Hammersmith and Fulham: 112 Buckinghamshire: 106 Sandwell: 103 Warwickshire: 101 Liverpool: 100 Walsall: 100 Stoke-on-Trent: 21 By region:London: 4,637 Midlands: 2,090 South East: 1,606 North East and Yorkshire: 1,222 North West: 1,020 East of England: 796 South West: 534 Any explanation going for Cumbria? Seems so odd. Visitors to the Lake District?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 27, 2020 19:58:56 GMT
Not in one go in an industry that is going to be seriously screwed for at least 6-12 months its no wonder the actual staff voted hands down for it, if the government was paying they would be many getting 80% of the pay which is pretty similar. So they're losing 8 weeks' pay. Got it. From an owner with a net worth of several billion, clearly it would be impossible for virgin to pay their staff the 8 weeks' wages. He doesn't own them anymore he is a part owner, the people who work there voted for the deal they recognise the shitstorm that will hit the airline industry shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:59:17 GMT
Does anyone have the figures broken down by county in the UK? I believe FullerMagic posted one not too long ago. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-casesBy Upper-Tier Local Authority
Birmingham: 366 Hampshire: 317 Southwark: 290 Sheffield: 286 Lambeth: 276 Surrey: 271 Brent: 265 Wandsworth: 228 Croydon: 219 Cumbria: 211 Ealing: 209 Hertfordshire: 206 Harrow: 196 Westminster: 189 Bromley: 188 Kent: 182 Derbyshire: 170 Essex: 166 Lewisham: 158 Newham: 148 Staffordshire: 145 Lancashire: 141 Enfield: 136 Nottinghamshire: 135 Hackney and City of London: 134 Waltham Forest: 130 Hillingdon: 129 Tower Hamlets: 129 Wolverhampton: 128 Greenwich: 128 Merton: 128 Leicestershire: 128 Hounslow: 126 Newcastle upon Tyne: 121 Islington: 120 Kensington and Chelsea: 116 Barnet: 115 Redbridge: 115 Haringey: 113 Oxfordshire: 113 Hammersmith and Fulham: 112 Buckinghamshire: 106 Sandwell: 103 Warwickshire: 101 Liverpool: 100 Walsall: 100 Stoke-on-Trent: 21 By region:London: 4,637 Midlands: 2,090 South East: 1,606 North East and Yorkshire: 1,222 North West: 1,020 East of England: 796 South West: 534 Main two things I take from that are, Birmingham the main hot spot (I'm sure the last list was all London areas at the top), plus the Midlands has jumped significantly too.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 20:01:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:02:34 GMT
Any explanation going for Cumbria? Seems so odd. Because of it's rural setting? I have no idea really, but not everyone there farms sheep or runs a B&B. A lot of commuters to Carlisle, Lancaster and other large towns?
With the "incubation" period guesses that we have, I wouldn't really think that visitors are the cause - but who knows?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 27, 2020 20:04:32 GMT
I'm really becoming disillusioned watching these daily briefings, some brilliant questions being asked by the press but hardly any of them getting answers to the ACTUAL questions that they have asked. Sadly. Don't think Gove has ever answered a question in his life. He's as infuriating now as he is in the HoCs. I was already saying to everyone here 'watch him now, he won't answer that question..' and sure enough, he didn't let me down. I really wonder why he (and other politicians) never get properly pulled up on it. It's the first day I haven't watch the update. As soon as I saw it was that smarmy little cunt I turned it over to The Chase.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 27, 2020 20:07:01 GMT
Couldn’t agree more mate and I’m surprised the journo’s don’t come back and say that to them I imagine each journo is allowed one question each, which doesn't include pulling them up on not answering an original question or asking to be more specific. If journos could co-ordinate their line of questioning amongst themselves, it would be harder for the politicians to wriggle out of answers. Instead they try to shoehorn several questions into their 15 seconds, none of which get answered. They then proceed to ask the same, previously unanswered question the following day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:07:09 GMT
So they're losing 8 weeks' pay. Got it. From an owner with a net worth of several billion, clearly it would be impossible for virgin to pay their staff the 8 weeks' wages. He doesn't own them anymore he is a part owner, the people who work there voted for the deal they recognise the shitstorm that will hit the airline industry shortly. Ah so yes, he definitely can't afford to pay the people who make him his billions. Poor Richard. How will he ever survive.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 20:09:43 GMT
Brexit mates Dyson got the gig?
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