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Post by noustie on Aug 16, 2022 11:09:35 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2022 11:52:01 GMT
Interesting move from the Danes. Omicron (and to a lesser extent Delta) changed the calculations quite a lot and makes me think this could be reasonable. Pity that article put in the shit at the end to mislead people about vaccines.
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Post by noustie on Aug 16, 2022 13:46:23 GMT
Interesting move from the Danes. Omicron (and to a lesser extent Delta) changed the calculations quite a lot and makes me think this could be reasonable. Pity that article put in the shit at the end to mislead people about vaccines. I wouldn't quote it writing a research paper but playing devil's advocate slightly what's wrong with the bottom two paragraphs? Kids are now forbidden from getting the vaccine whereas previously they could volunteer - the only exemption is on medical advice. In terms of the vaccine stopping folk getting it we've 90% of over 12's who had the vaccine and 70-80% of the population at least estimated to have caught it. . The person whose opinion it is may be anti-vax but for me I think it is healthy to challenge the efficacy of it especially the further down the age groups we go.
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Post by noustie on Aug 16, 2022 13:52:06 GMT
Kids are back here today and honestly had a video from the teacher that the classroom was ready for their return. Each child has their name on their desk along with a fuck off massive pack of hand sanitizer wipes each - after panning across every desk it then focusses on the Worry Monster 'Have you any worries to discuss with me?'
Well I fucking have - why is the first thing the kids are greeted with on returning to school is re-instilling a fear of a disease that barely touches the side with them and that giving them unfettered access to wipes isn't going to achieve anything with anyway apart from worry some of them unnecessarily whereby they can speak to a monster whose qualifications in mental health are unknown?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2022 15:08:33 GMT
Interesting move from the Danes. Omicron (and to a lesser extent Delta) changed the calculations quite a lot and makes me think this could be reasonable. Pity that article put in the shit at the end to mislead people about vaccines. I wouldn't quote it writing a research paper but playing devil's advocate slightly what's wrong with the bottom two paragraphs? Kids are now forbidden from getting the vaccine whereas previously they could volunteer - the only exemption is on medical advice. In terms of the vaccine stopping folk getting it we've 90% of over 12's who had the vaccine and 70-80% of the population at least estimated to have caught it. . The person whose opinion it is may be anti-vax but for me I think it is healthy to challenge the efficacy of it especially the further down the age groups we go. Just one of the bits that seems misleading: they accuse Fauci etc of lying, but unless I missed recent statements by Fauci etc the they're not being accurate. Up to and including delta, vaccines reduced risk of (1) infection, (2) sickness and (3) death. Fauci etc honestly reported the evidence. Now the evidence says vaccines reduce (2) and (3), so they're still useful. I don't know about (1).
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 15:14:50 GMT
Interesting move from the Danes. Omicron (and to a lesser extent Delta) changed the calculations quite a lot and makes me think this could be reasonable. Pity that article put in the shit at the end to mislead people about vaccines. Be interesting to hear you opinion on the current CDC guidelines for children? In my opinion it was never necessary for kids apart from the most vulnerable. It’s a disgrace that some parents were compelled to vaccinate their kids to enable them to carry on with normal day to day activities.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 15:21:37 GMT
I wouldn't quote it writing a research paper but playing devil's advocate slightly what's wrong with the bottom two paragraphs? Kids are now forbidden from getting the vaccine whereas previously they could volunteer - the only exemption is on medical advice. In terms of the vaccine stopping folk getting it we've 90% of over 12's who had the vaccine and 70-80% of the population at least estimated to have caught it. . The person whose opinion it is may be anti-vax but for me I think it is healthy to challenge the efficacy of it especially the further down the age groups we go. Just one of the bits that seems misleading: they accuse Fauci etc of lying, but unless I missed recent statements by Fauci etc the they're not being accurate. Up to and including delta, vaccines reduced risk of (1) infection, (2) sickness and (3) death. Fauci etc honestly reported the evidence. Now the evidence says vaccines reduce (2) and (3), so they're still useful. I don't know about (1). Actually the evidence doesn’t support (2) see recent study from Singapore. Where is your evidence for (1) up to and including Delta, interesting to see that data set. Actually Fauci is a liar, or at best conveniently forgets his previous statements. There are recent videos of him categorically stating he never recommended shutting down and others where he unequivocally states he recommended shutting the country down, so yes he has lied.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2022 15:38:26 GMT
Just one of the bits that seems misleading: they accuse Fauci etc of lying, but unless I missed recent statements by Fauci etc the they're not being accurate. Up to and including delta, vaccines reduced risk of (1) infection, (2) sickness and (3) death. Fauci etc honestly reported the evidence. Now the evidence says vaccines reduce (2) and (3), so they're still useful. I don't know about (1). Actually the evidence doesn’t support (2) see recent study from Singapore. Where is your evidence for (1) up to and including Delta, interesting to see that data set. Actually Fauci is a liar, or at best conveniently forgets his previous statements. There are recent videos of him categorically stating he never recommended shutting down and others where he unequivocally states he recommended shutting the country down, so yes he has lied. Could you link me to those Fauci statements? What's the Singapore study? I'm just getting hits on Monkeypox when I search! I thought vaccination (either recent primary course or booster) is effective based on studies of sympomatic infection: England: "After a BNT162b2 primary course, the mRNA-1273 booster increased vaccine effectiveness to 73.9% (95% CI, 73.1 to 74.6) at 2 to 4 weeks; vaccine effectiveness fell to 64.4% (95% CI, 62.6 to 66.1) at 5 to 9 weeks." (80% of infections were Omicron, 20% Delta at that time) Qatar: "Effectiveness of only three-dose BNT162b2 vaccination was 52.2% (95% CI: 48.1-55.9%)" United States: "the likelihood of vaccination with 3 mRNA vaccine doses (vs unvaccinated) was significantly lower among both Omicron (odds ratio, 0.33) and Delta (odds ratio, 0.065) cases than SARS-CoV-2–negative controls; a similar pattern was observed with 3 vaccine doses vs 2 doses (Omicron odds ratio, 0.34; Delta odds ratio, 0.16)." Effectiveness is higher for severe illness or death in comparison studies.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 16, 2022 15:50:41 GMT
The death rate in the UK is relatively high at the moment and has been consistently so in recent months based on 5 year comparisons.
up 15% on normal (5 year comparison), yet only 6-7% of this attributed to Covid.
Any explanations why?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2022 15:52:34 GMT
Just one of the bits that seems misleading: they accuse Fauci etc of lying, but unless I missed recent statements by Fauci etc the they're not being accurate. Up to and including delta, vaccines reduced risk of (1) infection, (2) sickness and (3) death. Fauci etc honestly reported the evidence. Now the evidence says vaccines reduce (2) and (3), so they're still useful. I don't know about (1). Actually the evidence doesn’t support (2) see recent study from Singapore. Where is your evidence for (1) up to and including Delta, interesting to see that data set. Actually Fauci is a liar, or at best conveniently forgets his previous statements. There are recent videos of him categorically stating he never recommended shutting down and others where he unequivocally states he recommended shutting the country down, so yes he has lied. For vaccines reducing transmission of delta: media headlines were confusing. My understanding is that vaccinated people are just less likely to get any delta, so those ones can't pass it on. The UK household study that made the headlines said: "The SAR in household contacts exposed to the delta variant was 25% (95% CI 18–33) for fully vaccinated individuals compared with 38% (24–53) in unvaccinated individuals." The "SAR" is the percentage of people who caught it when they lived with someone else who was infected. These results hint strongly that vaccines reduced the chance of catching delta in the first place, but with <700 people it was hard to nail down the exact rate. A newer study with >100k people showed reduced delta transmission from vaccinated people. Oxford-AZ was weaker, and even Pfizer effect fades away over time but it was still there months later. Figure 1 right panels shows the important results. 14 weeks after Pfizer vaccination: If you were vaccinated you were ~55% less likely to catch delta in the first place. And if you were one of those ~45% that still managed to catch it, you generally had lower virus counts so you were about 20% less likely to then pass it on. So compared with an unvaccinated person, if you had your Pfizer jabs 14 weeks before, you were about 66% less likely to infect anyone else.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2022 15:55:39 GMT
The death rate in the UK is relatively high at the moment and has been consistently so in recent months based on 5 year comparisons. up 15% on normal (5 year comparison), yet only 6-7% of this attributed to Covid. Any explanations why? Which times are you looking at? Looks like the record hot days killed 1-2k people. The loss of routine care during the pandemic is going to come back to haunt us as well, it really sucks. On the other hand, tens of thousands of older folk got wiped out by COVID and some of those would have been dying now. Usually there's a dip in deaths after similar things, like a big flu season. That's nicknamed " harvesting".
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Post by noustie on Aug 16, 2022 15:56:50 GMT
The death rate in the UK is relatively high at the moment and has been consistently so in recent months based on 5 year comparisons. up 15% on normal (5 year comparison), yet only 6-7% of this attributed to Covid. Any explanations why? Bit of laundering? www.hartgroup.org/laundering-the-death-numbers/
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2022 16:05:51 GMT
The death rate in the UK is relatively high at the moment and has been consistently so in recent months based on 5 year comparisons. up 15% on normal (5 year comparison), yet only 6-7% of this attributed to Covid. Any explanations why? Bit of laundering? www.hartgroup.org/laundering-the-death-numbers/That link says the opposite of what spitthedog is asking about though! So I think they're looking at different things.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2022 16:11:10 GMT
Interesting move from the Danes. Omicron (and to a lesser extent Delta) changed the calculations quite a lot and makes me think this could be reasonable. Pity that article put in the shit at the end to mislead people about vaccines. Be interesting to hear you opinion on the current CDC guidelines for children? In my opinion it was never necessary for kids apart from the most vulnerable. It’s a disgrace that some parents were compelled to vaccinate their kids to enable them to carry on with normal day to day activities. The CDC knows better than I do but relaxing the isolation requirements for kids and asking them to wear a mask if infected seems reasonable to me for now. And allowing a vaccination course for kids also seems fine. The only justifications for requiring vaccines IMO are (1) when something is raging and hospitals are at risk of getting overwhelmed or (2) when it's an infectious disease and the vaccine reduces infection of other people. But if you triage based on vaccination status then you can offset (1) and remove that argument.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 16:20:46 GMT
Actually the evidence doesn’t support (2) see recent study from Singapore. Where is your evidence for (1) up to and including Delta, interesting to see that data set. Actually Fauci is a liar, or at best conveniently forgets his previous statements. There are recent videos of him categorically stating he never recommended shutting down and others where he unequivocally states he recommended shutting the country down, so yes he has lied. For vaccines reducing transmission of delta: media headlines were confusing. My understanding is that vaccinated people are just less likely to get any delta, so those ones can't pass it on. The UK household study that made the headlines said: "The SAR in household contacts exposed to the delta variant was 25% (95% CI 18–33) for fully vaccinated individuals compared with 38% (24–53) in unvaccinated individuals." The "SAR" is the percentage of people who caught it when they lived with someone else who was infected. These results hint strongly that vaccines reduced the chance of catching delta in the first place, but with <700 people it was hard to nail down the exact rate. A newer study with >100k people showed reduced delta transmission from vaccinated people. Oxford-AZ was weaker, and even Pfizer effect fades away over time but it was still there months later. Figure 1 right panels shows the important results. 14 weeks after Pfizer vaccination: If you were vaccinated you were ~55% less likely to catch delta in the first place. And if you were one of those ~45% that still managed to catch it, you generally had lower virus counts so you were about 20% less likely to then pass it on. So compared with an unvaccinated person, if you had your Pfizer jabs 14 weeks before, you were about 66% less likely to infect anyone else. Albeit after a quick reading that uk study conclusions are weak at best and are based on a very small sample? These studies themselves stated that the effectiveness waned considerably after time (so people would need to be vaccinated every 2/3 months rendering it useless) and those who did pick it up while vaccinated had the same peak viral load as the unvaccinated. How do you explain the transmission of Delta in Israel where the vast majority were double jabbed?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 16:29:21 GMT
Be interesting to hear you opinion on the current CDC guidelines for children? In my opinion it was never necessary for kids apart from the most vulnerable. It’s a disgrace that some parents were compelled to vaccinate their kids to enable them to carry on with normal day to day activities. The CDC knows better than I do but relaxing the isolation requirements for kids and asking them to wear a mask if infected seems reasonable to me for now. And allowing a vaccination course for kids also seems fine. The only justifications for requiring vaccines IMO are (1) when something is raging and hospitals are at risk of getting overwhelmed or (2) when it's an infectious disease and the vaccine reduces infection of other people. But if you triage based on vaccination status then you can offset (1) and remove that argument. Until very recently many states in US required school kids to wear masks in school ( unless I’ve misunderstood) but didn’t have the same requirement for adults? To you point 1 with respect that’s just wrong, the vaccination does nothing to stop the spread currently and kids are at close to zero risk from it so why vaccinate them. Like I said many parents “forced” to vaccinate their kids by government rules/regs. Absolute disgrace and it’s perturbing that anyone would now be pushing vaccines on very young otherwise healthy children
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 16:40:34 GMT
Actually the evidence doesn’t support (2) see recent study from Singapore. Where is your evidence for (1) up to and including Delta, interesting to see that data set. Actually Fauci is a liar, or at best conveniently forgets his previous statements. There are recent videos of him categorically stating he never recommended shutting down and others where he unequivocally states he recommended shutting the country down, so yes he has lied. Could you link me to those Fauci statements? What's the Singapore study? I'm just getting hits on Monkeypox when I search! I thought vaccination (either recent primary course or booster) is effective based on studies of sympomatic infection: England: "After a BNT162b2 primary course, the mRNA-1273 booster increased vaccine effectiveness to 73.9% (95% CI, 73.1 to 74.6) at 2 to 4 weeks; vaccine effectiveness fell to 64.4% (95% CI, 62.6 to 66.1) at 5 to 9 weeks." (80% of infections were Omicron, 20% Delta at that time) Qatar: "Effectiveness of only three-dose BNT162b2 vaccination was 52.2% (95% CI: 48.1-55.9%)" United States: "the likelihood of vaccination with 3 mRNA vaccine doses (vs unvaccinated) was significantly lower among both Omicron (odds ratio, 0.33) and Delta (odds ratio, 0.065) cases than SARS-CoV-2–negative controls; a similar pattern was observed with 3 vaccine doses vs 2 doses (Omicron odds ratio, 0.34; Delta odds ratio, 0.16)." Effectiveness is higher for severe illness or death in comparison studies. Google New England journal of Medicine 20th July and read the adverse effects comparatives. Also Google a huge German study Paul Ehrlich Institute. There is no justification for jabbing healthy kids and you have specifically addressed my question of whether you agree with jabbing kids from 5 years and up.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 16:41:33 GMT
Could you link me to those Fauci statements? What's the Singapore study? I'm just getting hits on Monkeypox when I search! I thought vaccination (either recent primary course or booster) is effective based on studies of sympomatic infection: England: "After a BNT162b2 primary course, the mRNA-1273 booster increased vaccine effectiveness to 73.9% (95% CI, 73.1 to 74.6) at 2 to 4 weeks; vaccine effectiveness fell to 64.4% (95% CI, 62.6 to 66.1) at 5 to 9 weeks." (80% of infections were Omicron, 20% Delta at that time) Qatar: "Effectiveness of only three-dose BNT162b2 vaccination was 52.2% (95% CI: 48.1-55.9%)" United States: "the likelihood of vaccination with 3 mRNA vaccine doses (vs unvaccinated) was significantly lower among both Omicron (odds ratio, 0.33) and Delta (odds ratio, 0.065) cases than SARS-CoV-2–negative controls; a similar pattern was observed with 3 vaccine doses vs 2 doses (Omicron odds ratio, 0.34; Delta odds ratio, 0.16)." Effectiveness is higher for severe illness or death in comparison studies. Google New England journal of Medicine 20th July and read the adverse effects comparatives. Also Google a huge German study Paul Ehrlich Institute. There is no justification for jabbing healthy kids and you have specifically addressed my question of whether you agree with jabbing kids from 5 years and up. Edit: you can Google Fauci inconsistent statements and I’m sure you’ll find them. Please let me know what you think then
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 16, 2022 23:32:18 GMT
Could you link me to those Fauci statements? What's the Singapore study? I'm just getting hits on Monkeypox when I search! I thought vaccination (either recent primary course or booster) is effective based on studies of sympomatic infection: England: "After a BNT162b2 primary course, the mRNA-1273 booster increased vaccine effectiveness to 73.9% (95% CI, 73.1 to 74.6) at 2 to 4 weeks; vaccine effectiveness fell to 64.4% (95% CI, 62.6 to 66.1) at 5 to 9 weeks." (80% of infections were Omicron, 20% Delta at that time) Qatar: "Effectiveness of only three-dose BNT162b2 vaccination was 52.2% (95% CI: 48.1-55.9%)" United States: "the likelihood of vaccination with 3 mRNA vaccine doses (vs unvaccinated) was significantly lower among both Omicron (odds ratio, 0.33) and Delta (odds ratio, 0.065) cases than SARS-CoV-2–negative controls; a similar pattern was observed with 3 vaccine doses vs 2 doses (Omicron odds ratio, 0.34; Delta odds ratio, 0.16)." Effectiveness is higher for severe illness or death in comparison studies. Google New England journal of Medicine 20th July and read the adverse effects comparatives. Also Google a huge German study Paul Ehrlich Institute. There is no justification for jabbing healthy kids and you have specifically addressed my question of whether you agree with jabbing kids from 5 years and up. This is a worrying report on the Pfizer vaccine given to 13-18 year olds in Thailand. Same vaccine that will given here. Very high levels of cardiovascular effects 29%!!! Why is the NHS not doing similar studies? The first such study. This should be raising alarm bells. This study focuses on cardiovascular effects, particularly myocarditis and pericarditis events, after BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine injection in Thai adolescents. This prospective cohort study enrolled students from two schools aged 13–18 years who received the second dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Data including demographics, symptoms, vital signs, ECG, echocardiography and cardiac enzymes were collected at baseline, Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 (optional) using case record forms.We enrolled 314 participants; of these, 13 participants were lost to follow up, leaving 301 participants for analysis. The most common cardiovascular effects were tachycardia (7.64%), shortness of breath (6.64%), palpitation (4.32%), chest pain (4.32%), and hypertension (3.99%). Seven participants (2.33%) exhibited at least one elevated cardiac biomarker or positive lab assessments. Cardiovascular effects were found in 29.24% of patients, ranging from tachycardia, palpitation, and myopericarditis. Myopericarditis was confirmed in one patient after vaccination. Two patients had suspected pericarditis and four patients had suspected subclinical myocarditis. Conclusion: Cardiovascular effects in adolescents after BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination included tachycardia, palpitation, and myocarditis. The clinical presentation of myopericarditis after vaccination was usually mild, with all cases fully recovering within 14 days. Hence, adolescents receiving mRNA vaccines should be monitored for side effects. Clinical Trial Registration: NCT05288231 www.preprints.org/manuscript/202208.0151/v1No-one could conclude from this that vaccines are safe for this age group. We simply need more studies.
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Post by noustie on Aug 17, 2022 6:16:14 GMT
Google New England journal of Medicine 20th July and read the adverse effects comparatives. Also Google a huge German study Paul Ehrlich Institute. There is no justification for jabbing healthy kids and you have specifically addressed my question of whether you agree with jabbing kids from 5 years and up. This is a worrying report on the Pfizer vaccine given to 13-18 year olds in Thailand. Same vaccine that will given here. Very high levels of cardiovascular effects 29%!!! Why is the NHS not doing similar studies? The first such study. This should be raising alarm bells. This study focuses on cardiovascular effects, particularly myocarditis and pericarditis events, after BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine injection in Thai adolescents. This prospective cohort study enrolled students from two schools aged 13–18 years who received the second dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Data including demographics, symptoms, vital signs, ECG, echocardiography and cardiac enzymes were collected at baseline, Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 (optional) using case record forms.We enrolled 314 participants; of these, 13 participants were lost to follow up, leaving 301 participants for analysis. The most common cardiovascular effects were tachycardia (7.64%), shortness of breath (6.64%), palpitation (4.32%), chest pain (4.32%), and hypertension (3.99%). Seven participants (2.33%) exhibited at least one elevated cardiac biomarker or positive lab assessments. Cardiovascular effects were found in 29.24% of patients, ranging from tachycardia, palpitation, and myopericarditis. Myopericarditis was confirmed in one patient after vaccination. Two patients had suspected pericarditis and four patients had suspected subclinical myocarditis. Conclusion: Cardiovascular effects in adolescents after BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination included tachycardia, palpitation, and myocarditis. The clinical presentation of myopericarditis after vaccination was usually mild, with all cases fully recovering within 14 days. Hence, adolescents receiving mRNA vaccines should be monitored for side effects. Clinical Trial Registration: NCT05288231 www.preprints.org/manuscript/202208.0151/v1No-one could conclude from this that vaccines are safe for this age group. We simply need more studies. This is interesting too in what similar studies found for a smallpox vaccine in 2015: www.hartgroup.org/measuring-the-extent-of-the-myocarditis-iceberg/They flagged a couple of studies in July too but complete silence here other than 'roll up roll up for the autumn two for one booster extravaganza' www.hartgroup.org/more-worrying-data-on-myocarditis-pericarditis/
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Post by riverman on Aug 17, 2022 7:39:51 GMT
The death rate in the UK is relatively high at the moment and has been consistently so in recent months based on 5 year comparisons. up 15% on normal (5 year comparison), yet only 6-7% of this attributed to Covid. Any explanations why? Could be something to do with the "boomer" generation who are now in their late 70s and early 80s starting to pop off. The post war population boom has resulted in a high percentage of seniors over the last 20 odd years which also accounts for the lack of spaces in care homes etc. Mind you,the government and NHS did try to do something about that in early 2020!
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Post by noustie on Aug 17, 2022 9:24:04 GMT
That link says the opposite of what spitthedog is asking about though! So I think they're looking at different things. Sorry was dashing out of the office so hadn't given it context - this goes to May and Hart Group have been all over the ONS figures for months suggesting they're being massaged. I'd taken recent months and the mention of hot weather to mean possibly the period since then so if the ONS are reporting low figures to May when they'd be expected to be high and now there is possibly higher figures when you'd expect lower Hart's suggestion of laundering would stack up further.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2022 9:30:27 GMT
2020-2022 - when the world lost its mind over a largely non fatal virus.
Just had those haunting flashbacks to when the government and teachers unions came out and forced children to wear masks in schools despite all the evidence suggesting it was an insane idea.
The mask mandate scandal was right up there with some of the most disturbed misinformation and abusive policies the country has seen in a long time. Watching indoctrinated zombies walking through the streets and in supermarkets masked up and then shouting at those who applied common sense by not wearing one was quite something.
Mass indoctrination with misinformation and propaganda, forcing children out of education, destroying businesses and ripping apart livelihoods - no one deserves to be forgiven for that.
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Post by noustie on Aug 17, 2022 9:54:21 GMT
2020-2022 - when the world lost its mind over a largely non fatal virus. Just had those haunting flashbacks to when the government and teachers unions came out and forced children to wear masks in schools despite all the evidence suggesting it was an insane idea. The mask mandate scandal was right up there with some of the most disturbed misinformation and abusive policies the country has seen in a long time. Watching indoctrinated zombies walking through the streets and in supermarkets masked up and then shouting at those who applied common sense by not wearing one was quite something. Mass indoctrination with misinformation and propaganda, forcing children out of education, destroying businesses and ripping apart livelihoods - no one deserves to be forgiven for that. We've just had a note that there will be a phonecall with the teacher term 1 as introduction and a phonecall term 3 about progress during the year so no face to face parents evening. Parents are also still queuing outside the gates to pick kids up when we used to stand on the big green field inside the gate so loads of space. I spoke to the head and neither of these things have anything to do with Covid any more - it is simply because it is easier. It's more efficient apparently to have parent calls over the phone and teachers aren't being 'ambushed' by parents at the end of the day. Rather tellingly though this has not been communicated to parents and is still being cloaked in the pretence of Covid. Unfortunately as my role in parent council that is my role and no way they're getting away with that bollocks:
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Post by henry on Aug 17, 2022 10:15:28 GMT
2020-2022 - when the world lost its mind over a largely non fatal virus. Just had those haunting flashbacks to when the government and teachers unions came out and forced children to wear masks in schools despite all the evidence suggesting it was an insane idea. The mask mandate scandal was right up there with some of the most disturbed misinformation and abusive policies the country has seen in a long time. Watching indoctrinated zombies walking through the streets and in supermarkets masked up and then shouting at those who applied common sense by not wearing one was quite something. Mass indoctrination with misinformation and propaganda, forcing children out of education, destroying businesses and ripping apart livelihoods - no one deserves to be forgiven for that. A period of time where some people thought it was ok to imprison students in their halls of residence.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 10:41:30 GMT
2020-2022 - when the world lost its mind over a largely non fatal virus. Just had those haunting flashbacks to when the government and teachers unions came out and forced children to wear masks in schools despite all the evidence suggesting it was an insane idea. The mask mandate scandal was right up there with some of the most disturbed misinformation and abusive policies the country has seen in a long time. Watching indoctrinated zombies walking through the streets and in supermarkets masked up and then shouting at those who applied common sense by not wearing one was quite something. Mass indoctrination with misinformation and propaganda, forcing children out of education, destroying businesses and ripping apart livelihoods - no one deserves to be forgiven for that. Brexit and the cost of living crisis will cause more damage to UK businesses than covid. Are you as angry about those too?
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Post by knype on Aug 17, 2022 11:05:48 GMT
2020-2022 - when the world lost its mind over a largely non fatal virus. Just had those haunting flashbacks to when the government and teachers unions came out and forced children to wear masks in schools despite all the evidence suggesting it was an insane idea. The mask mandate scandal was right up there with some of the most disturbed misinformation and abusive policies the country has seen in a long time. Watching indoctrinated zombies walking through the streets and in supermarkets masked up and then shouting at those who applied common sense by not wearing one was quite something. Mass indoctrination with misinformation and propaganda, forcing children out of education, destroying businesses and ripping apart livelihoods - no one deserves to be forgiven for that. Brexit and the cost of living crisis will cause more damage to UK businesses than covid. Are you as angry about those too? The cost of living crisis is directly linked to our actions around Covid
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 11:08:16 GMT
Brexit and the cost of living crisis will cause more damage to UK businesses than covid. Are you as angry about those too? The cost of living crisis is directly linked to our actions around Covid More so the war in Ukraine and brexit
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Post by knype on Aug 17, 2022 11:20:27 GMT
The cost of living crisis is directly linked to our actions around Covid More so the war in Ukraine and brexit If we hadn't spent on furlough, track and trace, etc etc etc we wouldnt be in such a mess
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2022 14:53:59 GMT
2020-2022 - when the world lost its mind over a largely non fatal virus. Just had those haunting flashbacks to when the government and teachers unions came out and forced children to wear masks in schools despite all the evidence suggesting it was an insane idea. The mask mandate scandal was right up there with some of the most disturbed misinformation and abusive policies the country has seen in a long time. Watching indoctrinated zombies walking through the streets and in supermarkets masked up and then shouting at those who applied common sense by not wearing one was quite something. Mass indoctrination with misinformation and propaganda, forcing children out of education, destroying businesses and ripping apart livelihoods - no one deserves to be forgiven for that. Brexit and the cost of living crisis will cause more damage to UK businesses than covid. Are you as angry about those too? Yeah because shutting down society for 18 months had nothing to do with the cost of living crisis 😆😆 Oggy you can't just endlessly blame brexit for bad stuff that happens in the world.
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