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Post by felonious on Jul 29, 2022 18:47:22 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 29, 2022 18:52:57 GMT
We can thank the return of masks & two week 'firebreak' for that...
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Post by felonious on Jul 30, 2022 7:25:41 GMT
We can thank the return of masks & two week 'firebreak' for that... ...... and the injections.....
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Post by noustie on Jul 30, 2022 7:36:29 GMT
...and schools being closed....
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 30, 2022 16:53:55 GMT
Excess deaths across US states from January 2020 to now, split into "Trumpy" (5% or more Trump win, in red) or "Bideny" (5% or more Biden win, in blue). Trumpy states generally did less to combat covid, Bideny generally did more. This misses out narrow states like Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania etc.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 2, 2022 21:21:13 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 2, 2022 21:53:41 GMT
They do some absolutely awful shite. £70 million in fines sounds like a slap on the wrist, the punishments should be serious IMO.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 3, 2022 0:18:27 GMT
Should be made to pay it back plus interest and jail the UK board of the company
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 3, 2022 0:19:16 GMT
Excess deaths across US states from January 2020 to now, split into "Trumpy" (5% or more Trump win, in red) or "Bideny" (5% or more Biden win, in blue). Trumpy states generally did less to combat covid, Bideny generally did more. This misses out narrow states like Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania etc. Rubbish
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 3, 2022 18:40:07 GMT
Excess deaths across US states from January 2020 to now, split into "Trumpy" (5% or more Trump win, in red) or "Bideny" (5% or more Biden win, in blue). Trumpy states generally did less to combat covid, Bideny generally did more. This misses out narrow states like Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania etc. Rubbish What do you think is rubbish about it? How would you analyse the data?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 3, 2022 18:50:38 GMT
Should be made to pay it back plus interest and jail the UK board of the company Punitive fines should be way bigger for this IMO. If there's evidence the board were in on it or deeply negligent then lock em up.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 3, 2022 19:47:30 GMT
Should be made to pay it back plus interest and jail the UK board of the company Punitive fines should be way bigger for this IMO. If there's evidence the board were in on it or deeply negligent then lock em up. If they pay it back voluntarily without being under investigation give them an amnesty but if not fine them 10 times the amount defrauded then lock em up,
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 5, 2022 0:02:56 GMT
What do you think is rubbish about it? How would you analyse the data? A graph will very little difference Who gives a shite about US crap
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 5, 2022 1:42:21 GMT
What do you think is rubbish about it? How would you analyse the data? A graph will very little difference Who gives a shite about US crap Some people want evidence to make up their minds. Maybe you don't give a shit but others might like to know that total deaths are lower in places where people tended to wear masks, get vaccinated etc.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 5, 2022 2:09:39 GMT
A graph will very little difference Who gives a shite about US crap Some people want evidence to make up their minds. Maybe you don't give a shit but others might like to know that total deaths are lower in places where people tended to wear masks, get vaccinated etc. No there not
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Post by knype on Aug 5, 2022 5:31:50 GMT
A graph will very little difference Who gives a shite about US crap Some people want evidence to make up their minds. Maybe you don't give a shit but others might like to know that total deaths are lower in places where people tended to wear masks, get vaccinated etc.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 10, 2022 12:31:12 GMT
Dictator Jacinda's popularity has fell off a cliff. You can't make it up. One minute people think she's doing a good job by limiting the number of covid cases via obscene measures, then realise she's doing a catastrophically bad job when they realise lockdowns lead to mass unemployment and widespread economical and social chaos. Incredible that so many denied collateral damage caused by lockdowns would outweigh that caused by allowing a virus with a 99+% survival rate to spread. Now we are facing a winter where families face abject poverty and can't afford food and fuel. Covid lockdown policy was without doubt up there with some of the dumbest, most insane policies in human history. Yet so many idiots bought into it. www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/08/09/jacinda-arderns-approval-rating-slumps-record-low/
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 10, 2022 15:03:19 GMT
Dictator Jacinda's popularity has fell off a cliff. You can't make it up. One minute people think she's doing a good job by limiting the number of covid cases via obscene measures, then realise she's doing a catastrophically bad job when they realise lockdowns lead to mass unemployment and widespread economical and social chaos. Incredible that so many denied collateral damage caused by lockdowns would outweigh that caused by allowing a virus with a 99+% survival rate to spread. Now we are facing a winter where families face abject poverty and can't afford food and fuel. Covid lockdown policy was without doubt up there with some of the dumbest, most insane policies in human history. Yet so many idiots bought into it. www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/08/09/jacinda-arderns-approval-rating-slumps-record-low/Are you saying you'd be fine if 650,000 Brits had died from this? How much worse do you think the NZ economy is compared with ours thanks to our different COVID responses?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 10, 2022 15:24:15 GMT
Dictator Jacinda's popularity has fell off a cliff. You can't make it up. One minute people think she's doing a good job by limiting the number of covid cases via obscene measures, then realise she's doing a catastrophically bad job when they realise lockdowns lead to mass unemployment and widespread economical and social chaos. Incredible that so many denied collateral damage caused by lockdowns would outweigh that caused by allowing a virus with a 99+% survival rate to spread. Now we are facing a winter where families face abject poverty and can't afford food and fuel. Covid lockdown policy was without doubt up there with some of the dumbest, most insane policies in human history. Yet so many idiots bought into it. www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/08/09/jacinda-arderns-approval-rating-slumps-record-low/Are you saying you'd be fine if 650,000 Brits had died from this? How much worse do you think the NZ economy is compared with ours thanks to our different COVID responses? Complete straw man. What has NZ's economy got to do with ours? Both countries had a pro lockdown policy and both countries are now in a state of economical chaos. Along with much of the world which also pursued crazed lockdown policy. Our PM has now been forced out and Arden looks set to follow suit. Re the 650,000 deaths question... Is that a serious statement? How would you feel if you were told 6 million would die as a direct result of our lockdown/NHS covid first policy? You have absolutely no idea how many died because of covid and no idea how many died WITH covid. So how you can possibly conclude that 650,000 would have died from covid had we not locked down is an absurd assumption.
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Post by Northy on Aug 10, 2022 15:26:27 GMT
This is quite something. So before I answer your two questions, can you confirm whether you were supportive of lockdowns or not? I can't quite believe I'm hearing this 😆 Off on a tangent again, just answer the questions or produce the facts to back your claims up, it's really not that hard is it? Or can't you do that as the facts you put up are false ? Just about everyone including me was supportive of the first lockdown to keep the NHS from being over run, nobody knew what was happening, we were ill prepared for it as a country, and didn't have any data, we can't check your feelings on it though can we, as you didn't join the thread until after the first lockdown and anything you say can't be trusted as its all hindsight and bluster. Still waiting ....... tick tock, tick tock
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 10, 2022 15:37:00 GMT
Are you saying you'd be fine if 650,000 Brits had died from this? How much worse do you think the NZ economy is compared with ours thanks to our different COVID responses? Complete straw man. What has NZ's economy got to do with ours? Both countries had a pro lockdown policy and both countries are now in a state of economical chaos. Along with much of the world which also pursued crazed lockdown policy. Our PM has now been forced out and Arden looks set to follow suit. Re the 650,000 deaths question... Is that a serious statement? How would you feel if you were told 6 million would die as a direct result of our lockdown/NHS covid first policy? You have absolutely no idea how many died because of covid and no idea how many died WITH covid. So how you can possibly conclude that 650,000 would have died from covid had we not locked down is an absurd assumption. I'm using your 99% survival rate to get 650k. You keep saying 99% survival and I interpreted it as meaning you'd be fine with 650k British deaths because 99% would survive. I'm more interested in the smallest *total* death, suffering, loss of freedom etc. So to me 99% survival* is just one of the important pieces of info but but the single most important. Re: 6 million, if I was told it I'd think that sounds really important and ask for the evidence that 6 million would die. If the evidence were convincing then I'd oppose lockdowns. *Delta may have been more like 98%, and when hospital systems were overwhelmed it may have been more like 94-96% for our population but let's use 99%.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 10, 2022 16:45:11 GMT
Complete straw man. What has NZ's economy got to do with ours? Both countries had a pro lockdown policy and both countries are now in a state of economical chaos. Along with much of the world which also pursued crazed lockdown policy. Our PM has now been forced out and Arden looks set to follow suit. Re the 650,000 deaths question... Is that a serious statement? How would you feel if you were told 6 million would die as a direct result of our lockdown/NHS covid first policy? You have absolutely no idea how many died because of covid and no idea how many died WITH covid. So how you can possibly conclude that 650,000 would have died from covid had we not locked down is an absurd assumption. I'm using your 99% survival rate to get 650k. You keep saying 99% survival and I interpreted it as meaning you'd be fine with 650k British deaths because 99% would survive. I'm more interested in the smallest *total* death, suffering, loss of freedom etc. So to me 99% survival* is just one of the important pieces of info but but the single most important. Re: 6 million, if I was told it I'd think that sounds really important and ask for the evidence that 6 million would die. If the evidence were convincing then I'd oppose lockdowns. *Delta may have been more like 98%, and when hospital systems were overwhelmed it may have been more like 94-96% for our population but let's use 99%. Think you missed out the + on my 99%. The nation is facing the worst winter of your lifetime, talk of blackouts, record levels of inflation, mass job losses and people literally unable to afford food and fuel and yet your STILL unable to concede that lockdowns were a disaster. What has to happen for you to accept that?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 17:03:01 GMT
I'm using your 99% survival rate to get 650k. You keep saying 99% survival and I interpreted it as meaning you'd be fine with 650k British deaths because 99% would survive. I'm more interested in the smallest *total* death, suffering, loss of freedom etc. So to me 99% survival* is just one of the important pieces of info but but the single most important. Re: 6 million, if I was told it I'd think that sounds really important and ask for the evidence that 6 million would die. If the evidence were convincing then I'd oppose lockdowns. *Delta may have been more like 98%, and when hospital systems were overwhelmed it may have been more like 94-96% for our population but let's use 99%. Think you missed out the + on my 99%. The nation is facing the worst winter of your lifetime, talk of blackouts, record levels of inflation, mass job losses and people literally unable to afford food and fuel and yet your STILL unable to concede that lockdowns were a disaster. What has to happen for you to accept that? The lockdown is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. You like to use the word "strawman" so I'll leave it at that.........
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 10, 2022 17:06:53 GMT
Think you missed out the + on my 99%. The nation is facing the worst winter of your lifetime, talk of blackouts, record levels of inflation, mass job losses and people literally unable to afford food and fuel and yet your STILL unable to concede that lockdowns were a disaster. What has to happen for you to accept that? The lockdown is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. You like to use the word "strawman" so I'll leave it at that......... So global covid policy isn't the main reason for the economical crash facing the planet? Just a weird coincidence right?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 10, 2022 17:07:05 GMT
I'm using your 99% survival rate to get 650k. You keep saying 99% survival and I interpreted it as meaning you'd be fine with 650k British deaths because 99% would survive. I'm more interested in the smallest *total* death, suffering, loss of freedom etc. So to me 99% survival* is just one of the important pieces of info but but the single most important. Re: 6 million, if I was told it I'd think that sounds really important and ask for the evidence that 6 million would die. If the evidence were convincing then I'd oppose lockdowns. *Delta may have been more like 98%, and when hospital systems were overwhelmed it may have been more like 94-96% for our population but let's use 99%. Think you missed out the + on my 99%. The nation is facing the worst winter of your lifetime, talk of blackouts, record levels of inflation, mass job losses and people literally unable to afford food and fuel and yet your STILL unable to concede that lockdowns were a disaster. What has to happen for you to accept that? Evidence that it would have been better without lockdowns. There was a car crash outside my place the other week. It's true there were lockdowns and then a car crash, but I don't think lockdowns are to blame for that car crash though. I also think it's really hard to work out the exact blame to place on each factor, but I'm not sure that loads more dead Britons and a more overwhelmed NHS would make the economy much better now.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 10, 2022 17:08:24 GMT
The lockdown is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. You like to use the word "strawman" so I'll leave it at that......... So global covid policy isn't the main reason for the economical crash facing the planet? Just a weird coincidence right? The virus is the cause of this fuckup. I'm not convinced that "let it burn" would have made the economy better. The best outcome would have been everyone listening, wearing masks and PPE, socially distancing where possible, taking the vaccines asal etc and letting business go on as close to normal as possible without the government having to make it into rules.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 10, 2022 17:09:21 GMT
Think you missed out the + on my 99%. The nation is facing the worst winter of your lifetime, talk of blackouts, record levels of inflation, mass job losses and people literally unable to afford food and fuel and yet your STILL unable to concede that lockdowns were a disaster. What has to happen for you to accept that? Evidence that it would have been better without lockdowns. There was a car crash outside my place the other week. It's true there were lockdowns and then a car crash, but I don't think lockdowns are to blame for that car crash though. I also think it's really hard to work out the exact blame to place on each factor, but I'm not sure that loads more dead Britons and a more overwhelmed NHS would make the economy much better now. Incredible. So what do you think is causing the economical chaos? Putin hasn't helped, what else?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 10, 2022 17:12:01 GMT
So global covid policy isn't the main reason for the economical crash facing the planet? Just a weird coincidence right? The virus is the cause of this fuckup. I'm not convinced that "let it burn" would have made the economy better. The best outcome would have been everyone listening, wearing masks and PPE, socially distancing where possible, taking the vaccines asal etc and letting business go on as close to normal as possible without the government having to make it into rules. No. The way the world/politicians responded to the virus is the fuck up. How can you not see that? How much more obvious does it need to be and how bad does it have to get until you see it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2022 17:17:50 GMT
I don’t think any of the measures taken to stop the spread actually stopped the spread, just slowed it down a bit. Lockdowns were as stupid an idea as were possible and is responsible, in the main, for many of the crisis’ we now face and are likely to for years to come.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 10, 2022 17:24:24 GMT
The virus is the cause of this fuckup. I'm not convinced that "let it burn" would have made the economy better. The best outcome would have been everyone listening, wearing masks and PPE, socially distancing where possible, taking the vaccines asal etc and letting business go on as close to normal as possible without the government having to make it into rules. No. The way the world/politicians responded to the virus is the fuck up. How can you not see that? How much more obvious does it need to be and how bad does it have to get until you see it. Ok you believe that, I just don't see the evidence. I just don't accept someone saying "it's obvious" as evidence, because I think it's obvious that loads more deaths and a collapsing NHS would be awful for the economy now too. It'll take more time for us to gather the evidence and I might change my mind.
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