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Post by knype on Jul 17, 2022 3:23:52 GMT
Well actualy, this is my personal experiance! Obviously you have no reason to believe me so upto you! Maybe an oatcake poll or two, I am vaxxed and cought covid x times and unvaxxed an cought covid x times It's totally possible for any group of mates to have wild results. That's why they do trials and studies and so on with 30,000+ people. Maybe your mates just wanted some days off! Why did some trials stop and the reasons why not published?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 17, 2022 6:53:39 GMT
Well actualy, this is my personal experiance! Obviously you have no reason to believe me so upto you! Maybe an oatcake poll or two, I am vaxxed and cought covid x times and unvaxxed an cought covid x times It's totally possible for any group of mates to have wild results. That's why they do trials and studies and so on with 30,000+ people. Maybe your mates just wanted some days off! Anecdotal evidence trumps scientific evidence you should know that by now……
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 17, 2022 7:08:09 GMT
This is made up bollocks……. Well actualy, this is my personal experiance! Obviously you have no reason to believe me so upto you! Maybe an oatcake poll or two, I am vaxxed and cought covid x times and unvaxxed an cought covid x times I’m not doubting what your saying but the vax isn’t there for stopping covid it’s for lessening the level of how bad it hits you if you do get it which is why the elderly get it first. My best mates dad who was in his late 70s chose not to have the vaccine because he had the same beliefs you do having read a lot of conspiracy theories. Sadly despite having no underlying health conditions he caught covid and died in hospital after a few days. My mum and dad who are also in there lates 70s had the jab and booster and caught covid after having both. Thankfully both are still with us after getting just cold like symptoms. I understand both sides of the argument and can can certainly understand younger people being wary of having the vaccine but as you say you can only base it on personal experience.
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Post by jack1 on Jul 17, 2022 8:51:40 GMT
It's totally possible for any group of mates to have wild results. That's why they do trials and studies and so on with 30,000+ people. Maybe your mates just wanted some days off! Anecdotal evidence trumps scientific evidence you should know that by now…… Here is the evidence to back up my claims; www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusenglandExcel data set - Deaths occurring between 1 January 2021 and 31 May 2022 edition of this dataset In tab labelled "table 2" scroll down until you find the section "Deaths involving COVID-19", the numbers I quoted relate to recent data January 2022 to May 2022 (Rows 1426 to 1670), add up the figures. There is a lot of data there broken down into ages and vax status, so I will pick two months and age groups at random, April 2022 60-69 years old, Unvaxxed (27), second dose 21 days ago (37), third dose 21 days ago (178) deaths. March 2022 50-59 years old, Unvaxxed (17), second dose 21 days ago (13), third dose 21 days ago (43) deaths. You might say "but the majority have taken three shots and therefore will have higher representation", but the percentage of people who have had three shots is 52% from page 65 of this government report - assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1088929/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w27.pdf
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Post by Northy on Jul 17, 2022 9:17:03 GMT
Anecdotal evidence trumps scientific evidence you should know that by now…… Here is the evidence to back up my claims; www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusenglandExcel data set - Deaths occurring between 1 January 2021 and 31 May 2022 edition of this dataset In tab labelled "table 2" scroll down until you find the section "Deaths involving COVID-19", the numbers I quoted relate to recent data January 2022 to May 2022 (Rows 1426 to 1670), add up the figures. There is a lot of data there broken down into ages and vax status, so I will pick two months and age groups at random, April 2022 60-69 years old, Unvaxxed (27), second dose 21 days ago (37), third dose 21 days ago (178) deaths. March 2022 50-59 years old, Unvaxxed (17), second dose 21 days ago (13), third dose 21 days ago (43) deaths. You might say "but the majority have taken three shots and therefore will have higher representation", but the percentage of people who have had three shots is 52% from page 65 of this government report - assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1088929/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w27.pdfIs the percentage of people having had 3 shots in you last line, all people, or the 60-69 group you highlighted in the sentence above?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 17, 2022 9:45:07 GMT
Anecdotal evidence trumps scientific evidence you should know that by now…… Here is the evidence to back up my claims; www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusenglandExcel data set - Deaths occurring between 1 January 2021 and 31 May 2022 edition of this dataset In tab labelled "table 2" scroll down until you find the section "Deaths involving COVID-19", the numbers I quoted relate to recent data January 2022 to May 2022 (Rows 1426 to 1670), add up the figures. There is a lot of data there broken down into ages and vax status, so I will pick two months and age groups at random, April 2022 60-69 years old, Unvaxxed (27), second dose 21 days ago (37), third dose 21 days ago (178) deaths. March 2022 50-59 years old, Unvaxxed (17), second dose 21 days ago (13), third dose 21 days ago (43) deaths. You might say "but the majority have taken three shots and therefore will have higher representation", but the percentage of people who have had three shots is 52% from page 65 of this government report - assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1088929/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w27.pdfI’m not pretending to make out an expert but what i’d like to know the figures for are deaths caused by covid pre and post jab. I think they’ll be the most telling figures.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 17, 2022 11:26:21 GMT
My gf (who deals with this shit) says there's mild myocarditis. But the study was cases reported to doctors, so they're only catching pretty serious ones here. People sick with COVID were way more likely to get Myo/pericarditis than those vaccinated. The way they report some of the data is confusing though. I might ask the authors to clear it up. You will have a word with the author, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 17, 2022 11:28:10 GMT
Well actualy, this is my personal experiance! Obviously you have no reason to believe me so upto you! Maybe an oatcake poll or two, I am vaxxed and cought covid x times and unvaxxed an cought covid x times I’m not doubting what your saying but the vax isn’t there for stopping covid it’s for lessening the level of how bad it hits you if you do get it which is why the elderly get it first. My best mates dad who was in his late 70s chose not to have the vaccine because he had the same beliefs you do having read a lot of conspiracy theories. Sadly despite having no underlying health conditions he caught covid and died in hospital after a few days. My mum and dad who are also in there lates 70s had the jab and booster and caught covid after having both. Thankfully both are still with us after getting just cold like symptoms. I understand both sides of the argument and can can certainly understand younger people being wary of having the vaccine but as you say you can only base it on personal experience. We were told that the Vax would stop you getting the covid
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 17, 2022 12:07:09 GMT
I’m not doubting what your saying but the vax isn’t there for stopping covid it’s for lessening the level of how bad it hits you if you do get it which is why the elderly get it first. My best mates dad who was in his late 70s chose not to have the vaccine because he had the same beliefs you do having read a lot of conspiracy theories. Sadly despite having no underlying health conditions he caught covid and died in hospital after a few days. My mum and dad who are also in there lates 70s had the jab and booster and caught covid after having both. Thankfully both are still with us after getting just cold like symptoms. I understand both sides of the argument and can can certainly understand younger people being wary of having the vaccine but as you say you can only base it on personal experience. We were told that the Vax would stop you getting the covid Have to say I never remember that. I just remember the start of it and the high number of deaths. From there to where we are is a huge step forwards.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 17, 2022 12:15:33 GMT
Here is the evidence to back up my claims; www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusenglandExcel data set - Deaths occurring between 1 January 2021 and 31 May 2022 edition of this dataset In tab labelled "table 2" scroll down until you find the section "Deaths involving COVID-19", the numbers I quoted relate to recent data January 2022 to May 2022 (Rows 1426 to 1670), add up the figures. There is a lot of data there broken down into ages and vax status, so I will pick two months and age groups at random, April 2022 60-69 years old, Unvaxxed (27), second dose 21 days ago (37), third dose 21 days ago (178) deaths. March 2022 50-59 years old, Unvaxxed (17), second dose 21 days ago (13), third dose 21 days ago (43) deaths. You might say "but the majority have taken three shots and therefore will have higher representation", but the percentage of people who have had three shots is 52% from page 65 of this government report - assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1088929/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w27.pdfI’m not pretending to make out an expert but what i’d like to know the figures for are deaths caused by covid pre and post jab. I think they’ll be the most telling figures. You took an age group: 60-69 and looked at deaths relating to Covid-19 and then found one potential limitation to the analysis, which I applaud, but misinterpret that data. The percentage of people who have had three shots in the full dataset is 52%. Vaccine uptake in 65-70 year old is 86.5% according to the data you supplied on page 65. So yes, there is very much a bias in your analysis which could heavily impact your findings given that the sample size is very, very low. In the 60-69 age group across all months/2021 + 2022, there is a 6.69 fold increase in number of deaths involving COVID-19 in the unvaccinated versus those that have had a third vaccine. There are major problems with both analyses that would stop them from being published: 1) failure to replicate the data in other population cohorts 2) failure to adjust for sex, exact age (which is impossible here given how it is grouped in batches), body mass index, socioeconomic status, pre-existing conditions (to name a few obvious ones), race. 3) time since vaccination With your analysis, taking two months "at random" is only legitimate if you were to run permutations, otherwise its a fairly meaningless data point. What you could be seeing in later months is that those who have taken the vaccine are seeing diminished protection. This is the reason for boosters, particularly among the elderly who are known to have a weaker immune response and diminished response to vaccination. However, when you then consider that the vast majority of that age group is vaccinated, you are not really seeing anything at all. Edit: looking at this further, on page 68 of the report you sent, only 3.1% of individuals in that age group were vaccinated (with any dose) within the last 3 months, i.e. that the majority of those vaccinated, were vaccinated at a period of time greater than three months ago for that age group. It has been made very clear that booster shots are important and this is particularly true for the elderly and others with weakened immune systems. www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/articles/spurious-correlations here is an example of what happens when correlation analysis is used without caution: figure 1 shows the number of people who die per year when tangled in their bedsheets is very strongly correlated with the total revenue generated by skiing facilities in the US.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 17, 2022 12:33:29 GMT
It's totally possible for any group of mates to have wild results. That's why they do trials and studies and so on with 30,000+ people. Maybe your mates just wanted some days off! Why did some trials stop and the reasons why not published? Trials always conclude. They are enormously expensive. They conclude when there is sufficient evidence to support their claims.
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Post by knype on Jul 17, 2022 12:40:31 GMT
Why did some trials stop and the reasons why not published? Trials always conclude. They are enormously expensive. They conclude when there is sufficient evidence to support their claims. They stopped when people were becoming ill and clotting from the trials
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 17, 2022 12:52:22 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2022 12:53:12 GMT
Here is the evidence to back up my claims; www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusenglandExcel data set - Deaths occurring between 1 January 2021 and 31 May 2022 edition of this dataset In tab labelled "table 2" scroll down until you find the section "Deaths involving COVID-19", the numbers I quoted relate to recent data January 2022 to May 2022 (Rows 1426 to 1670), add up the figures. There is a lot of data there broken down into ages and vax status, so I will pick two months and age groups at random, April 2022 60-69 years old, Unvaxxed (27), second dose 21 days ago (37), third dose 21 days ago (178) deaths. March 2022 50-59 years old, Unvaxxed (17), second dose 21 days ago (13), third dose 21 days ago (43) deaths. You might say "but the majority have taken three shots and therefore will have higher representation", but the percentage of people who have had three shots is 52% from page 65 of this government report - assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1088929/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w27.pdfI’m not pretending to make out an expert but what i’d like to know the figures for are deaths caused by covid pre and post jab. I think they’ll be the most telling figures.
Is this what you're looking for mate?
"In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 93.4% lower for people who had received a third dose, or booster, at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people.
In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving COVID-19 was 81.2% lower for people who had received a second dose at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people; for January to June 2021, this was 99.5% lower."
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2022 12:55:54 GMT
I’m not pretending to make out an expert but what i’d like to know the figures for are deaths caused by covid pre and post jab. I think they’ll be the most telling figures. You took an age group: 60-69 and looked at deaths relating to Covid-19 and then found one potential limitation to the analysis, which I applaud, but misinterpret that data. The percentage of people who have had three shots in the full dataset is 52%. Vaccine uptake in 65-70 year old is 86.5% according to the data you supplied on page 65. So yes, there is very much a bias in your analysis which could heavily impact your findings given that the sample size is very, very low. In the 60-69 age group across all months/2021 + 2022, there is a 6.69 fold increase in number of deaths involving COVID-19 in the unvaccinated versus those that have had a third vaccine. There are major problems with both analyses that would stop them from being published: 1) failure to replicate the data in other population cohorts 2) failure to adjust for sex, exact age (which is impossible here given how it is grouped in batches), body mass index, socioeconomic status, pre-existing conditions (to name a few obvious ones), race. 3) time since vaccination With your analysis, taking two months "at random" is only legitimate if you were to run permutations, otherwise its a fairly meaningless data point. What you could be seeing in later months is that those who have taken the vaccine are seeing diminished protection. This is the reason for boosters, particularly among the elderly who are known to have a weaker immune response and diminished response to vaccination. However, when you then consider that the vast majority of that age group is vaccinated, you are not really seeing anything at all. Edit: looking at this further, on page 68 of the report you sent, only 3.1% of individuals in that age group were vaccinated (with any dose) within the last 3 months, i.e. that the majority of those vaccinated, were vaccinated at a period of time greater than three months ago for that age group. It has been made very clear that booster shots are important and this is particularly true for the elderly and others with weakened immune systems. www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/articles/spurious-correlations here is an example of what happens when correlation analysis is used without caution: figure 1 shows the number of people who die per year when tangled in their bedsheets is very strongly correlated with the total revenue generated by skiing facilities in the US.
Have you replied to your intended poster here chap?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 19, 2022 21:54:44 GMT
Imagine cheering on shutting an entire economy down, crippling a generation financially, locking yourself away for months on end and forcing children to wear masks in school because the government (who have just been displaced due to trust issues) and a professor - who travels across the country to get laid with his mistress while telling you to stay at home and gets just about every prediction wrong - told you too. Oh...and then appear surprised that the country is in the toilet.
That's rough.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 20, 2022 4:58:38 GMT
Imagine cheering on shutting an entire economy down, crippling a generation financially, locking yourself away for months on end and forcing children to wear masks in school because the government (who have just been displaced due to trust issues) and a professor - who travels across the country to get laid with his mistress while telling you to stay at home and gets just about every prediction wrong - told you too. Oh...and then appears surprised that the country is in the toilet. That's rough. In fairness to Johnson, he did what any PM would have done… collapsed under the hysterical pressure created by the media. Also, in fairness to Johnson, he at least showed some signs of reluctance unlike some of his peers. Well, up until he had a case of it himself after which he seemed to have developed a case of pro-lockdown fever albeit a much milder version than was exhibited by the leaders of the Scottish and Welsh governments.
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Post by superjw on Jul 20, 2022 6:13:17 GMT
Imagine cheering on shutting an entire economy down, crippling a generation financially, locking yourself away for months on end and forcing children to wear masks in school because the government (who have just been displaced due to trust issues) and a professor - who travels across the country to get laid with his mistress while telling you to stay at home and gets just about every prediction wrong - told you too. Oh...and then appears surprised that the country is in the toilet. That's rough. Imagine huge parts of the world following the actions of a communist country in shutting their countries down! In all seriousness though, the situation we and most of the world finds itself in is a direct result of the total hysteria that unfolded. If only more people had woken up to the fact that the "cure" would be far worse than the disease itself.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 20, 2022 8:08:15 GMT
Imagine cheering on shutting an entire economy down, crippling a generation financially, locking yourself away for months on end and forcing children to wear masks in school because the government (who have just been displaced due to trust issues) and a professor - who travels across the country to get laid with his mistress while telling you to stay at home and gets just about every prediction wrong - told you too. Oh...and then appears surprised that the country is in the toilet. That's rough. Imagine huge parts of the world following the actions of a communist country in shutting their countries down! In all seriousness though, the situation we and most of the world finds itself in is a direct result of the total hysteria that unfolded. If only more people had woken up to the fact that the "cure" would be far worse than the disease itself. Indeed. Lockdowns were an assault against humanity and everything we know and trust. Disgusting, totalitarian measures that did the polar opposite to "saving lives". Those responsible should never be forgiven.
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Post by noustie on Jul 20, 2022 10:03:20 GMT
www.hartgroup.org/imperial-fantasy-of-20-million-lives-saved/Imperial College has produced a new fantasy number to test people’s gullibility. This time they are claiming that 19.8 million lives have been saved by vaccination.
Imperial College now have a global reputation for making provable wrong claims based on modelling and they appear to want to bolster that reputation. Previous harm caused by Imperial include Neil Ferguson’s models in 2001 that led to the culling of 6 million cattle and sheep allegedly to prevent spread of foot and mouth disease which cost the UK economy £10bn. Subsequent predictions have included 50,000-150,000 deaths in humans in 2002 due to CJD because of the BSE outbreak (there were 177 deaths), 200 million deaths from bird flu in 2005 worldwide (there were 78); 65,000 deaths from Swine flu in UK in 2009 (there were 457).
Although this was not Neil Ferguson’s work, this latest model from Imperial college is also out by orders of magnitude. Modelling is nothing by glorified guessing based on extrapolating from assumptions of the authors’ choosing. The assumptions were so wild in the latest attempt that they reached the absurd fantasy of 20 million lives having been saved. It is almost not worth wasting time on it but given the coverage it has had on mainstream media, it needs to be addressed.
Let’s take a look at what that would mean..........Imperial’s models have never been proven to be right. Lessons never seem to be learnt. The assumptions Imperial used to create this model have no bearing to the real world.
They are living in Cloud-Covid-Land. The public need to realise that institutions such as Imperial receive considerable funding from the pharmaceutical industry and this colours how evidence is presented. The mainstream media are claiming such evidence is “science” when it is not much more than marketing for the pharmaceutical industry. The chasm between reality and the mainstream narrative is widening and the public need to realise that sources they have trusted in the past cannot be trusted on this topic any longer.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 20, 2022 10:26:57 GMT
Imagine cheering on shutting an entire economy down, crippling a generation financially, locking yourself away for months on end and forcing children to wear masks in school because the government (who have just been displaced due to trust issues) and a professor - who travels across the country to get laid with his mistress while telling you to stay at home and gets just about every prediction wrong - told you too. Oh...and then appears surprised that the country is in the toilet. That's rough. In fairness to Johnson, he did what any PM would have done… collapsed under the hysterical pressure created by the media. Also, in fairness to Johnson, he at least showed some signs of reluctance unlike some of his peers. Well, up until he had a case of it himself after which he seemed to have developed a case of pro-lockdown fever albeit a much milder version than was exhibited by the leaders of the Scottish and Welsh governments. True enough.
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Post by henry on Jul 23, 2022 21:29:19 GMT
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Post by musik on Jul 23, 2022 21:35:01 GMT
Wtf is this?! Hopefully it won't deserve its own thread.
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Post by jack1 on Jul 23, 2022 21:43:24 GMT
Side effect of the C19 jab, as referenced by the Pfizer trial data "auto-immune skin blistering". Pfizer were forced by a court order to release these documents which they wanted to hide for 75 years
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Post by henry on Jul 23, 2022 21:48:08 GMT
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Post by noustie on Jul 23, 2022 21:58:09 GMT
Don't mess about in the anus of those you have only just become recently acquainted with unless taking suitable precautions- otherwise crack on. Teaching Unions urgently seeking online learning for the autumn term.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 24, 2022 23:28:57 GMT
They opened up now right? Was always going to happen eventually, NZ just kept folk safe and the economy more open for longer until the vaccinations were done. From the start of COVID until 3rd July 2022, NZ death rate was below normal. About 1,300 deaths below what you'd expect versus ~150k more deaths than normal in the UK. Source.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 24, 2022 23:31:03 GMT
Side effect of the C19 jab, as referenced by the Pfizer trial data "auto-immune skin blistering". Pfizer were forced by a court order to release these documents which they wanted to hide for 75 years Monkeypox is nothing like covid. The news will love having something else to stir up about but I bet we'll see nothing more from the government than a bit of info and encouragement for vulnerable people to get a jab. If you're gonna do plenty of bumming, maybe get vaccinated though.
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Post by jack1 on Jul 25, 2022 7:29:30 GMT
Side effect of the C19 jab, as referenced by the Pfizer trial data "auto-immune skin blistering". Pfizer were forced by a court order to release these documents which they wanted to hide for 75 years Monkeypox is nothing like covid. The news will love having something else to stir up about but I bet we'll see nothing more from the government than a bit of info and encouragement for vulnerable people to get a jab. If you're gonna do plenty of bumming, maybe get vaccinated though. I never said Monkeypox was like Covid! Good to see that you have identified the latest target group to single out and oppress tho.
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Post by noustie on Jul 25, 2022 8:24:32 GMT
Attachment DeletedWe often hear the success of their lockdown but not the subsequent bounce in Spring deaths. In excess deaths they did better than us but its hardly all rainbows and lollipops
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