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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 16, 2022 7:12:07 GMT
My father in law passed away this week. Interestingly they said the causes were sepsis, diabetes and pneumonia. Except they now say they use Covid 19 as a catch all term for any bronchial related cause of death.
Got to keep those figures up I guess.
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Post by musik on Jul 16, 2022 8:41:13 GMT
The numbers are rising in Sweden parallel with the queues in shops being tighter in shops.
About 10 cm between people in Lidl now. I could smell her breath all the time.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 16, 2022 8:59:10 GMT
The numbers are rising in Sweden parallel with the queues in shops being tighter in shops. About 10 cm between people in Lidl now. I could smell her breath all the time. That final sentence has just done it for me 🤣🤣🤣 what did it smell of? Was she stood with her back to you or facing you?
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Post by musik on Jul 16, 2022 9:05:02 GMT
The numbers are rising in Sweden parallel with the queues in shops being tighter in shops. About 10 cm between people in Lidl now. I could smell her breath all the time. That final sentence has just done it for me 🤣🤣🤣 what did it smell of? Was she stood with her back to you or facing you? She stood behind me very very close breathing. I thought of sulfur, it was beyond garlic. But not only that, she talked to the lady in front of me as well and she a loud talker turned around. I wouldn't say she did smell, but I felt the air blowing in my face. It was like a treesome.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 16, 2022 15:40:51 GMT
Really useful work, thanks for sharing! My read of the Nature paper: 1. COVID infection is worse than the vaccines for Myo/pericarditis 2. Vaccine-caused Myo/pericarditis is less harmful than non-vaccine cases. 3. Moderna much worse than Pfizer for Myo/pericarditis in young men Example result for pericarditis: "The frequency of admission in intensive care unit, mechanical ventilation or death was lower for post-vaccination cases than for unexposed cases. After a follow-up of 30 days after discharge, 4 (0.24%) deaths among cases of myocarditis (none among exposed to vaccine) and 5 (0.31%) deaths among cases of pericarditis (including one patient having received a vaccine 8 to 21 days prior to the diagnosis) were reported." So it looks like in France, they might have found one person who died from vaccine-caused pericarditis. But they can't rule out it being another cause. That compares with estimated 150,000 dead from COVID. I suppose there are a couple of points here. Focussing on deaths from myo/pericarditis is not the real point it's the effects on health. The second point taken from your comments are that since vaccines don't stop people getting Covid them they are increasing the risks of issues surrounding myo/pericarditis. I think we care about sickness, death etc. Vaccines seem to reduce the chance you'll catch COVID and definitely reduce severity. I need to check through the data tables but iirc if you're unvaxxed and get COVID you're more likely to get heart problems. If you're vaxxed and get COVID you're less likely to get heart problems. So if you want fewer people to have heart problems (1) get vaccinated, (2) use Pfizer instead of Moderna, at least for younger folks and especially men.
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Post by prettything on Jul 16, 2022 15:46:55 GMT
Why do healthy people get any jabs? It limits the severity of the virus. Long COVID is a seriously debilitating illness to live with. A jab can be the difference between 7 days in bed or months of rehabilitation.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2022 15:48:44 GMT
Why do healthy people get any jabs? It limits the severity of the virus. Long COVID is a seriously debilitating illness to live with. A jab can be the difference between 7 days in bed or months of rehabilitation. Correct. Which is why I asked the question as there seems to be a misunderstanding that every other vaccine invented apart from Covid prevents you from getting the disease which is of course bollocks….
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Post by prettything on Jul 16, 2022 15:59:05 GMT
It limits the severity of the virus. Long COVID is a seriously debilitating illness to live with. A jab can be the difference between 7 days in bed or months of rehabilitation. Correct. Which is why I asked the question as there seems to be a misunderstanding that every other vaccine invented apart from Covid prevents you from getting the disease which is of course bollocks…. I understand your point. Jabs preventing things like TB when we were kids,pretty much eradicated the disease in its tracks. With COVID it mutates, but I suppose,because most of us haven’t had a pandemic like this in our life time, there maybe a perception that many people expect a similar result.
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Post by felonious on Jul 16, 2022 16:24:14 GMT
They usually calculate the way to save the most lives and then go with that. Well here's how the calculation goes. The NHS is struggling because of the social care system, you see it's broken and no longer fit for purpose. The result of this is that patients can't be discharged because there's nowhere to go and families are either unable or unwilling to look after their elderly relatives. Because of bed blocking by people who really shouldn't be there the other end of the hospital system is in meltdown. The beds are full which backs up to the corridors. The corridors are full so they now can't discharge from ambulances and the ambulances are now struggling to get to emergencies which means the calculation to save the most lives by getting to an emergency fast and discharging said patient to a hospital is in meltdown. This means that the original thought of vaccinating over 65s and the at risk under 65 has now been reduced to over 50s and under 50s at risk. I doubt there's much science attached to this just the vain hope that a few of the 50 to 65s who don't look after there health don't end up adding to the current NHS chaos. The healthy 50 to 65s are then subjected to an unnecessary jab or suffer the blackmail of the you can't go here, you can't go there if they don't have them. There is also the added risk of complications from an unnecessary jab. Edit: I should have voted for Corbyn we'd have had none of this
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2022 16:32:45 GMT
They usually calculate the way to save the most lives and then go with that. Well here's how the calculation goes. The NHS is struggling because of the social care system, you see it's broken and no longer fit for purpose. The result of this is that patients can't be discharged because there's nowhere to go and families are either unable or unwilling to look after their elderly relatives. Because of bed blocking by people who really shouldn't be there the other end of the hospital system is in meltdown. The beds are full which backs up to the corridors. The corridors are full so they now can't discharge from ambulances and the ambulances are now struggling to get to emergencies which means the calculation to save the most lives by getting to an emergency fast and discharging said patient to a hospital is in meltdown. This means that the original thought of vaccinating over 65s and the at risk under 65 has now been reduced to over 50s and under 50s at risk. I doubt there's much science attached to this just the vain hope that a few of the 50 to 65s who don't look after there health don't end up adding to the current NHS chaos. The healthy 50 to 65s are then subjected to an unnecessary jab or suffer the blackmail of the you can't go here, you can't go there if they don't have them. There is also the added risk of complications from an unnecessary jab. Edit: I should have voted for Corbyn we'd have had none of this So are you saying that people are being sent to hospital with Covid unnecessarily which is causing a lack of beds? Because if not your first paragraph is completely irrelevant to the vaccination programme. You forgot to mention 10 years of austerity as well……..
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Post by felonious on Jul 16, 2022 17:41:35 GMT
Well here's how the calculation goes. The NHS is struggling because of the social care system, you see it's broken and no longer fit for purpose. The result of this is that patients can't be discharged because there's nowhere to go and families are either unable or unwilling to look after their elderly relatives. Because of bed blocking by people who really shouldn't be there the other end of the hospital system is in meltdown. The beds are full which backs up to the corridors. The corridors are full so they now can't discharge from ambulances and the ambulances are now struggling to get to emergencies which means the calculation to save the most lives by getting to an emergency fast and discharging said patient to a hospital is in meltdown. This means that the original thought of vaccinating over 65s and the at risk under 65 has now been reduced to over 50s and under 50s at risk. I doubt there's much science attached to this just the vain hope that a few of the 50 to 65s who don't look after there health don't end up adding to the current NHS chaos. The healthy 50 to 65s are then subjected to an unnecessary jab or suffer the blackmail of the you can't go here, you can't go there if they don't have them. There is also the added risk of complications from an unnecessary jab. Edit: I should have voted for Corbyn we'd have had none of this So are you saying that people are being sent to hospital with Covid unnecessarily which is causing a lack of beds? Because if not your first paragraph is completely irrelevant to the vaccination programme. You forgot to mention 10 years of austerity as well…….. If the system hadn't crashed there wouldn't be a panic about the possibility of extra Covid cases going into hospitals during the quiet season in the height of summer.
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Post by felonious on Jul 16, 2022 17:43:59 GMT
Correct. Which is why I asked the question as there seems to be a misunderstanding that every other vaccine invented apart from Covid prevents you from getting the disease which is of course bollocks…. I understand your point. Jabs preventing things like TB when we were kids,pretty much eradicated the disease in its tracks. With COVID it mutates, but I suppose,because most of us haven’t had a pandemic like this in our life time, there maybe a perception that many people expect a similar result. Worryingly polio has been detected in London, one of the benefits of new improved monitoring post Covid.
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Post by jack1 on Jul 16, 2022 18:12:27 GMT
www.hartgroup.org/more-worrying-data-on-myocarditis-pericarditis/Two new studies on myocarditis / pericarditis after mRNA vaccination have been published in major peer-reviewed journals. Both are based on very large population samples. The first was published in Nature and is based on a matched case-control study performed in France. The second – published in JAMA – contains an analysis of electronic health records in Ontario, Canada. Both these studies find significantly higher rates of myocarditis, especially in younger males, than governments have to date acknowledged publicly............ Really useful work, thanks for sharing! My read of the Nature paper: 1. COVID infection is worse than the vaccines for Myo/pericarditis 2. Vaccine-caused Myo/pericarditis is less harmful than non-vaccine cases. 3. Moderna much worse than Pfizer for Myo/pericarditis in young men Example result for pericarditis: "The frequency of admission in intensive care unit, mechanical ventilation or death was lower for post-vaccination cases than for unexposed cases. After a follow-up of 30 days after discharge, 4 (0.24%) deaths among cases of myocarditis (none among exposed to vaccine) and 5 (0.31%) deaths among cases of pericarditis (including one patient having received a vaccine 8 to 21 days prior to the diagnosis) were reported." So it looks like in France, they might have found one person who died from vaccine-caused pericarditis. But they can't rule out it being another cause. That compares with estimated 150,000 dead from COVID. 94% of COVID deaths are triple+ vaxxed. The un-vaxxed are simply not catching the virus. There is no such thing as a "mild" case of myocarditis or pericarditis both are very serious conditions Where did the 150,000 death figure come from, were these soley of COVID or did they have pre exisiting conditions, was the average age arround 82 (higher than average life expectancy), globaly?? I still dont know anyone who died!
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 16, 2022 18:37:11 GMT
Really useful work, thanks for sharing! My read of the Nature paper: 1. COVID infection is worse than the vaccines for Myo/pericarditis 2. Vaccine-caused Myo/pericarditis is less harmful than non-vaccine cases. 3. Moderna much worse than Pfizer for Myo/pericarditis in young men Example result for pericarditis: "The frequency of admission in intensive care unit, mechanical ventilation or death was lower for post-vaccination cases than for unexposed cases. After a follow-up of 30 days after discharge, 4 (0.24%) deaths among cases of myocarditis (none among exposed to vaccine) and 5 (0.31%) deaths among cases of pericarditis (including one patient having received a vaccine 8 to 21 days prior to the diagnosis) were reported." So it looks like in France, they might have found one person who died from vaccine-caused pericarditis. But they can't rule out it being another cause. That compares with estimated 150,000 dead from COVID. 94% of COVID deaths are triple+ vaxxed. The un-vaxxed are simply not catching the virus. There is no such thing as a "mild" case of myocarditis or pericarditis both are very serious conditions Where did the 150,000 death figure come from, were these soley of COVID or did they have pre exisiting conditions, was the average age arround 82 (higher than average life expectancy), globaly?? I still dont know anyone who died! 150k by France reporting which is similar to the excess deaths. We know that lockdown etc didn't cause big excess deaths until now because Australia, New Zealand are on negative excess deaths. The only difference is "shitloads of COVID" versus "no COVID". Vaccines make it way less likely you'll die of COVID.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 18:42:28 GMT
Really useful work, thanks for sharing! My read of the Nature paper: 1. COVID infection is worse than the vaccines for Myo/pericarditis 2. Vaccine-caused Myo/pericarditis is less harmful than non-vaccine cases. 3. Moderna much worse than Pfizer for Myo/pericarditis in young men Example result for pericarditis: "The frequency of admission in intensive care unit, mechanical ventilation or death was lower for post-vaccination cases than for unexposed cases. After a follow-up of 30 days after discharge, 4 (0.24%) deaths among cases of myocarditis (none among exposed to vaccine) and 5 (0.31%) deaths among cases of pericarditis (including one patient having received a vaccine 8 to 21 days prior to the diagnosis) were reported." So it looks like in France, they might have found one person who died from vaccine-caused pericarditis. But they can't rule out it being another cause. That compares with estimated 150,000 dead from COVID. 94% of COVID deaths are triple+ vaxxed. The un-vaxxed are simply not catching the virus. There is no such thing as a "mild" case of myocarditis or pericarditis both are very serious conditions Where did the 150,000 death figure come from, were these soley of COVID or did they have pre exisiting conditions, was the average age arround 82 (higher than average life expectancy), globaly?? I still dont know anyone who died! This is just simply false. While being an N of 1, my wife is an MD in the Covid ICU and that is not the case there, it’s pretty much the reverse. It isn’t the case for any of the MDs I know up and down the US either. It isn’t the case in scientific publications. It’s nonsense. Covid vaccines are pretty damn good at reducing the risk of serious cases. Edit: while myocarditis is serious. It is a complex disease and as such, has a spectral range of symptoms/outcomes. There are many “mild myocarditis” cases: www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/myocarditis
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Post by jack1 on Jul 16, 2022 19:00:17 GMT
94% of COVID deaths are triple+ vaxxed. The un-vaxxed are simply not catching the virus. There is no such thing as a "mild" case of myocarditis or pericarditis both are very serious conditions Where did the 150,000 death figure come from, were these soley of COVID or did they have pre exisiting conditions, was the average age arround 82 (higher than average life expectancy), globaly?? I still dont know anyone who died! This is just simply false. While being an N of 1, my wife is an MD in the Covid ICU and that is not the case there, it’s pretty much the reverse. It isn’t the case for any of the MDs I know up and down the US either. It isn’t the case in scientific publications. It’s nonsense. Covid vaccines are pretty damn good at reducing the risk of serious cases. Covid vaccines are useless and dangerous!
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 19:05:03 GMT
This is just simply false. While being an N of 1, my wife is an MD in the Covid ICU and that is not the case there, it’s pretty much the reverse. It isn’t the case for any of the MDs I know up and down the US either. It isn’t the case in scientific publications. It’s nonsense. Covid vaccines are pretty damn good at reducing the risk of serious cases. Covid vaccines are useless and dangerous! If the vast majority of builders told you to hold up your roof with brick and mortar, but you read on 4chan that birdshit and toilet paper would keep you safe, which would you choose?
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Post by jack1 on Jul 16, 2022 19:28:51 GMT
Covid vaccines are useless and dangerous! If the vast majority of builders told you to hold up your roof with brick and mortar, but you read on 4chan that birdshit and toilet paper would keep you safe, which would you choose? Nothing to do with the topic! Cheers
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 19:30:46 GMT
If the vast majority of builders told you to hold up your roof with brick and mortar, but you read on 4chan that birdshit and toilet paper would keep you safe, which would you choose? Nothing to do with the topic! Cheers I was just trying to gauge your deductive reasoning skills.
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Post by jack1 on Jul 16, 2022 19:41:59 GMT
Nothing to do with the topic! Cheers I was just trying to gauge your deductive reasoning skills. You continue to take an experimental jab with documented serious side effects to give yourself a lesser version of a virus that the un-vaccinated are not getting! "I was just trying to gauge your deductive reasoning skills"
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 19:54:23 GMT
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Post by jack1 on Jul 16, 2022 20:10:53 GMT
Well... you keep taking the dirty jabs! Meanwhile I havn't had a single one, cought covid once and recovered in a few hours and never cought it again (which is common if you speak to the unvaxxed) my work mates who take jabs like smarties have had it 5-6 times. Go on how many jabs you had and how many covids?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 20:12:14 GMT
Well... you keep taking the dirty jabs! Meanwhile I havn't had a single one, cought covid once and recovered in a few hours and never cought it again (which is common if you speak to the unvaxxed) my work mates who take jabs like smarties have had it 5-6 times. Go on how many jabs you had and how many covids? Three and none, though I’m very well aware that Covid is here for life and I will get it one day. I take flu jabs as well, but I suppose I should stop before my head explodes.
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Post by jack1 on Jul 16, 2022 20:19:07 GMT
Well... you keep taking the dirty jabs! Meanwhile I havn't had a single one, cought covid once and recovered in a few hours and never cought it again (which is common if you speak to the unvaxxed) my work mates who take jabs like smarties have had it 5-6 times. Go on how many jabs you had and how many covids? Three and none, though I’m very well aware that Covid is here for life and I will get it one day. I take flu jabs as well, but I suppose I should stop before my head explodes. When you get it you will 99.97% realise that the last two years have been the biggest over-reaction/planned errosion of human liberties in human history. Yeah stop taking the flu jab aswell
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 16, 2022 20:23:43 GMT
There’s two people who I work with who’ve refused the jab, neither have caught it. Coincidence perhaps🤔 I’ve had 3 by the way because of work before anyone asks
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 20:32:42 GMT
There’s two people who I work with who’ve refused the jab, neither have caught it. Coincidence perhaps🤔 I’ve had 3 by the way because of work before anyone asks Yes, it’s a coincidence.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2022 20:43:39 GMT
Well... you keep taking the dirty jabs! Meanwhile I havn't had a single one, cought covid once and recovered in a few hours and never cought it again (which is common if you speak to the unvaxxed) my work mates who take jabs like smarties have had it 5-6 times. Go on how many jabs you had and how many covids? This is made up bollocks…….
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Post by jack1 on Jul 16, 2022 20:53:27 GMT
Well... you keep taking the dirty jabs! Meanwhile I havn't had a single one, cought covid once and recovered in a few hours and never cought it again (which is common if you speak to the unvaxxed) my work mates who take jabs like smarties have had it 5-6 times. Go on how many jabs you had and how many covids? This is made up bollocks……. Well actualy, this is my personal experiance! Obviously you have no reason to believe me so upto you! Maybe an oatcake poll or two, I am vaxxed and cought covid x times and unvaxxed an cought covid x times
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2022 1:24:19 GMT
There is no such thing as a "mild" case of myocarditis or pericarditis both are very serious conditions My gf (who deals with this shit) says there's mild myocarditis. But the study was cases reported to doctors, so they're only catching pretty serious ones here. People sick with COVID were way more likely to get Myo/pericarditis than those vaccinated. The way they report some of the data is confusing though. I might ask the authors to clear it up.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2022 1:25:33 GMT
This is made up bollocks……. Well actualy, this is my personal experiance! Obviously you have no reason to believe me so upto you! Maybe an oatcake poll or two, I am vaxxed and cought covid x times and unvaxxed an cought covid x times It's totally possible for any group of mates to have wild results. That's why they do trials and studies and so on with 30,000+ people. Maybe your mates just wanted some days off!
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