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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2020 16:09:20 GMT
Mike Ashley what an absolute weapon
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 24, 2020 16:11:05 GMT
Ashley needs tar and feathering...once we can congregate en masse of course.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2020 16:11:43 GMT
Johnson's approach to everything is to wing it which is just not up to the requirements of the current situation.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 24, 2020 16:11:43 GMT
Dreadful dreadful attitude Staggering. If this daft old cow gets it and needs a bed in hospital she needs to be bottom of the list. We’ve got people risking their lives in the NHS and the shops and across the country in other roles & this bint just doesn’t get it because she’s had a good life.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 24, 2020 16:11:54 GMT
You'd like to think so but you just know their will be twats like Philip Green, Richard Branson, Mike Ashley and others already planning who and what they can exploit once this settles down. I have a depressing feeling that all this is bringing about a reset of Capitalism, not a change to progressive attitudes towards quality of life, workers rights, the NHS and so on. Still, at least there's half a chance that the multi millionaire wankers in charge of some of these companies - Weatherspoons, JD Sports et al - may get their comeuppance. And before anyone starts on about businesses that attract a lower working class customer, that's precisely why I want them to get their comeuppance, because that's precisely the type of people they exploit with their shit products, shit wages, shit everything. All these multi millionaires/billionaires/global corporations will not lose a penny In fact most of them are hugely profiting from this and will be stronger for it At the same time people on the ground are being squeezed to breaking point. If you wanted to design a programme for shifting us all to greater dependency on the global corporates you would struggle to find something more effective than a global pandemic.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 24, 2020 16:12:23 GMT
Popularity grows out of Fear. It happens with Wars. Leaders always gain popularity.
Churchill got booted out in 1945. Yeah, but it was job done on the small matter of the World War . He had no interest in overseeing economic and social reform.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 16:12:45 GMT
What's Ashley done now?
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2020 16:15:18 GMT
Popularity grows out of Fear. It happens with Wars. Leaders always gain popularity.
Churchill got booted out in 1945. Unfortunately that was the exception rather than the rule, many people forget that Thatcher was very unpopular before the Falklands.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 24, 2020 16:15:43 GMT
well that's me just coming out of it, not bad enough to be hospitalised but knocks you for a while, then comes back for a 2nd wave, been in isolation for 6 days now, and getting bored, just when I thought there'd be freedom, another 3 weeks B!%dy’e!! Northy, Are you the fist poster to catch it... Did you get tested... Do you know where you got it...
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Post by skip on Mar 24, 2020 16:15:49 GMT
I have a depressing feeling that all this is bringing about a reset of Capitalism, not a change to progressive attitudes towards quality of life, workers rights, the NHS and so on. Still, at least there's half a chance that the multi millionaire wankers in charge of some of these companies - Weatherspoons, JD Sports et al - may get their comeuppance. And before anyone starts on about businesses that attract a lower working class customer, that's precisely why I want them to get their comeuppance, because that's precisely the type of people they exploit with their shit products, shit wages, shit everything. All these multi millionaires/billionaires/global corporations will not lose a penny In fact most of them are hugely profiting from this and will be stronger for it At the same time people on the ground are being squeezed to breaking point. If you wanted to design a programme for shifting us all to greater dependency on the global corporates you would struggle to find something more effective than a global pandemic. Regrettably I agree completely.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2020 16:16:20 GMT
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Post by zerps on Mar 24, 2020 16:16:30 GMT
I have a depressing feeling that all this is bringing about a reset of Capitalism, not a change to progressive attitudes towards quality of life, workers rights, the NHS and so on. Still, at least there's half a chance that the multi millionaire wankers in charge of some of these companies - Weatherspoons, JD Sports et al - may get their comeuppance. And before anyone starts on about businesses that attract a lower working class customer, that's precisely why I want them to get their comeuppance, because that's precisely the type of people they exploit with their shit products, shit wages, shit everything. All these multi millionaires/billionaires/global corporations will not lose a penny In fact most of them are hugely profiting from this and will be stronger for it At the same time people on the ground are being squeezed to breaking point. If you wanted to design a programme for shifting us all to greater dependency on the global corporates you would struggle to find something more effective than a global pandemic. Well, sort of. Their shares and stocks are fucked but if they can afford to buy back double now they’re laughing.
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Post by skip on Mar 24, 2020 16:17:09 GMT
Churchill got booted out in 1945. Unfortunately that was the exception rather than the rule, many people forget that Thatcher was very unpopular before the Falklands. True, but that was a classic 'limited skirmish overseas' to drum up petty nationalism. No offence to any ex-servicemen reading this, particularly as I had one of the most sobering pub conversations I've ever had with a bloke who was at Goose Green.
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Post by zerps on Mar 24, 2020 16:18:01 GMT
If the usd is being printed infinitely then why should americans pay taxes?
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Post by skip on Mar 24, 2020 16:20:40 GMT
If the usd is being printed infinitely then why should americans pay taxes? To pay for its social services, transport infrastructure, education system and health service. Hang on....
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2020 16:23:16 GMT
Don't be daft. I though everyone knew the Chinese invented it so they could take over the global economy while it was shut down. Obviously they had to test it on a few of their owm folk first just to make sure it worked properly, but now they've got a vaccine that's stopped it in it's tracks which they're not going to share with anyone until they've ramped up production and got their bids on place to take over western businesses that are on their knees . Global domination beckons and we'll all be speaking Mandarin soon. You’re probably not far off 😄 The yanks aren’t printing 1tn dollars a day for fun I must admit when I was writing it down I was thinking "actually that's not as far fetched as it seemed when it first came in to my head".
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Post by zerps on Mar 24, 2020 16:24:33 GMT
If the usd is being printed infinitely then why should americans pay taxes? To pay for its social services, transport infrastructure, education system and health service. Hang on.... They’ve got infinite money 😄
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 24, 2020 16:24:52 GMT
Tracking v Italy
7.3.20 Italy death toll was 233, on 21.3.20 UK was 233 the same but exactly 2 weeks later.
Since then Italy went, Deaths per day 08.3 133 09.3 97 10.3 168
UK Deaths per day 22.3 48 23.3 54 24.3 87
So over the 3 days since UK and Italy were level pegging UK has had 189, Italy 398 Same trend but at a slightly lower death rate (crumb of comfort)
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Post by whakka on Mar 24, 2020 16:26:55 GMT
Polls showing 93% approval. Opinion poll putting Tories up to mid 50%s. Rapidly heading past Blair’s figures as the most popular PM ever. A crisis brings support for leadership. In the US Trump’s approval ratings are also up. It’s a funny old world, but this crisis will cement Boris as PM for over a decade if he wishes. Popularity grows out of Fear. It happens with Wars. Leaders always gain popularity. Everyone wants the PM to be right because the fear of him not getting right is too much to bear. Everyone's insecurities are expressed through wanting to having the feeling of having someone who leads. it isn't the pm that has to be right it's the medical and science experts that advise him who we need to get it right.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2020 16:29:56 GMT
Popularity grows out of Fear. It happens with Wars. Leaders always gain popularity. Everyone wants the PM to be right because the fear of him not getting right is too much to bear. Everyone's insecurities are expressed through wanting to having the feeling of having someone who leads. it isn't the pm that has to be right it's the medical and science experts that advise him who we need to get it right. They give the advice but he makes the final call on timing and leads on the communication, it is both of these two areas we are falling down on.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2020 16:32:49 GMT
Truly shocking but there are lots of very ignorant people out there like this. This is really what we are dealing with. Somewhere along the line (quite some time ago too) our Education system went badly wrong! We ahave fostered such a self-obsessed group of people in this country with no sense of community. This is so selfish. The problem is that we all think our beliefs are more important than other peoples. THEY ARE NOT. In fact, other people's are more important or at least equally important. Whatever I think about Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn, or where or how this virus started is totally irrelevant, that should not determine how I act towards other people and other people's wishes. It's about respecting other people's fears and anxieties and health and lives. Total lack of respect and awareness of other people and their needs is what we are seeing. Needs addressing in the long term, for those of us who will get a long term! Inequality has also got a lot to do with it which has only gotten worse in the last 20 years. It's delivered st one extreme the entitled, spoiled bratt millenial Princes and Princesses who get whatever they want when they want it and at other a feral underclass with nothing to lose. However what those two groups do have in common is that neither accept being told what to do. Sure there are some good people with consciences out there, but there are just too many in the aforementioned groups to expect a high level of compliance to public health orders which require us to restrict our lives in the national interest.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 24, 2020 16:32:55 GMT
Tracking v Italy 7.3.20 Italy death toll was 233, on 21.3.20 UK was 233 the same but exactly 2 weeks later. Since then Italy went, Deaths per day 08.3 133 09.3 97 10.3 168 UK Deaths per day 22.3 48 23.3 54 24.3 87 So over the 3 days since UK and Italy were level pegging UK has had 189, Italy 398 Same trend but at a slightly lower death rate (crumb of comfort) The important thing is going to be what measures were in place on any specific day (and how well they were observed), because that will hugely affect the future infection rate. Is that info around?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 16:33:59 GMT
it isn't the pm that has to be right it's the medical and science experts that advise him who we need to get it right. They give the advice but he makes the final call on timing and leads on the communication, it is both of these two areas we are falling down on. And if the Sunday Times is right then Cummings was the lead for the herd immunity stuff with Vallance. Which is worrying if true. Lets see if he sues them.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 24, 2020 16:36:01 GMT
Popularity grows out of Fear. It happens with Wars. Leaders always gain popularity. Everyone wants the PM to be right because the fear of him not getting right is too much to bear. Everyone's insecurities are expressed through wanting to having the feeling of having someone who leads. it isn't the pm that has to be right it's the medical and science experts that advise him who we need to get it right. He still has to make decisions on that advice. They present evidence and stats they do not make decisions on how to act on it. We don't know what advice they are following or not following. It is also a case of how these decisions are managed. We are starting to see some gaping holes. Yes. it must be difficult, but the job of Government is to get it as right as it can possibly be and to protect all of their population. They always tell us they can do this, so here's the chance to prove it.
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Post by whakka on Mar 24, 2020 16:36:17 GMT
it isn't the pm that has to be right it's the medical and science experts that advise him who we need to get it right. They give the advice but he makes the final call on timing and leads on the communication, it is both of these two areas we are falling down on. according to who? Maybe everything is playing out just the way they want it to
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 24, 2020 16:36:37 GMT
Tracking v Italy 7.3.20 Italy death toll was 233, on 21.3.20 UK was 233 the same but exactly 2 weeks later. Since then Italy went, Deaths per day 08.3 133 09.3 97 10.3 168 UK Deaths per day 22.3 48 23.3 54 24.3 87 So over the 3 days since UK and Italy were level pegging UK has had 189, Italy 398 Same trend but at a slightly lower death rate (crumb of comfort) The important thing is going to be what measures were in place on any specific day (and how well they were observed), because that will hugely affect the future infection rate. Is that info around? I heard yesterday in the HoC that 'lockdown' here was 2 days later than Italy in their timeline. How pre/post lockdown observance in Italy went I've no idea, here? Look at the news!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 24, 2020 16:36:54 GMT
Tracking v Italy 7.3.20 Italy death toll was 233, on 21.3.20 UK was 233 the same but exactly 2 weeks later. Since then Italy went, Deaths per day 08.3 133 09.3 97 10.3 168 UK Deaths per day 22.3 48 23.3 54 24.3 87 So over the 3 days since UK and Italy were level pegging UK has had 189, Italy 398 Same trend but at a slightly lower death rate (crumb of comfort) The important thing is going to be what measures were in place on any specific day (and how well they were observed), because that will hugely affect the future infection rate. Is that info around? Doubtful but we might get a good idea in a couple of weeks when a sizeable chunk of the country, in the circumstances, went the pub on Friday night before heading to the park, beach and mountain for a final act of freedom whilst completely ignoring the advice to not do those things. That could be a big spread right there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 16:37:12 GMT
Why is our PM fucking about and playing around at this?
I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing that we are in lockdown. Are we fuck in lockdown. We are an absolute shitshow of a country, full of shithouse people, led by an absolute dickhead, who together are going to kill thousands more people than have to die, all because he can't make a decision and the idiots that populate this country either cannot think for themselves or just don't give a shit.
My missus has just driven back from work in Chesterton (teacher) and said the streets are just like a standard day at 4pm.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 24, 2020 16:40:25 GMT
They give the advice but he makes the final call on timing and leads on the communication, it is both of these two areas we are falling down on. And if the Sunday Times is right then Cummings was the lead for the herd immunity stuff with Vallance. Which is worrying if true. Lets see if he sues them. Vallance reminds me of the guy from Chernobyl, the good guy who wanted to sort it and save as many as possible. However if his advice was herd immunity then I have totally got him wrong.
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Post by whakka on Mar 24, 2020 16:42:20 GMT
it isn't the pm that has to be right it's the medical and science experts that advise him who we need to get it right. He still has to make decisions on that advice. They present evidence and stats they do not make decisions on how to act on it. We don't know what advice they are following or not following. It is also a case of how these decisions are managed. We are starting to see some gaping holes. Yes. it must be difficult, but the job of Government is to get it as right as it can possibly be and to protect all of their population. They always tell us they can do this, so here's the chance to prove it. we wont know until it's over what was right or wrong.
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