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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 24, 2020 14:05:58 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2020 14:10:00 GMT
Can't see what was posted above but this is what Sunak said literally just now in Parliament.
"This is what Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, told MPs a few minutes ago about why constructing a scheme to protect the self-employed who are losing work because of the coronavirus crisis was so complicated. He said it may require a brand new system. He explained:
We’re looking at pace at what support can be provided.
The fact is that [the 5m group] that we’re dealing with contains such a wide variety of different people where we don’t have the ability to target support - that’s the challenge that we have in designing something that gets to the people that we want it to help whilst at the same time being affordable, not having to benefit absolutely everybody.
That is proving to be problematic, but we are hard at work on it.
In terms of delivery, it is almost certainly going to be the case that we would have to build another brand new system to deliver any support.
I think it’s right, and I’m sure honourable members on both sides of this house would agree, that in terms of prioritising system design, the scheme we have set up for 90% of the workforce that is employed should be delivered first and quickly, and that is what we have committed to do, ideally by the end of April" Chief Secretary to the Treasury Stephen Barclay said:
We know many self-employed people are in distress but we are working urgently to address this problem, and I say to the self-employed, we have not forgotten you, help is coming.
But the policy and delivery is complex and we cannot and should not rush to announce a scheme that begs more questions than it answers . There is nothing currently in place for them. Welcome back btw  If you can't see it on the Parliamentary website just look at the attachment Bet365 posted 5 hours ago. It's quite specific. Whatever he's said it's there in black and white. More contradiction and confusion then, he's just literally said in Parliament that it's a complex issue and he doesn't yet have a proposal for them! |
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 24, 2020 14:10:02 GMT
Sorry mate I flounced off for a bit. Blame Momo.  Then I couldn't be arsed to catch up.  Can't see what was posted above but this is what Sunak said literally just now in Parliament.
"This is what Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, told MPs a few minutes ago about why constructing a scheme to protect the self-employed who are losing work because of the coronavirus crisis was so complicated. He said it may require a brand new system. He explained:
We’re looking at pace at what support can be provided.
The fact is that [the 5m group] that we’re dealing with contains such a wide variety of different people where we don’t have the ability to target support - that’s the challenge that we have in designing something that gets to the people that we want it to help whilst at the same time being affordable, not having to benefit absolutely everybody.
That is proving to be problematic, but we are hard at work on it.
In terms of delivery, it is almost certainly going to be the case that we would have to build another brand new system to deliver any support.
I think it’s right, and I’m sure honourable members on both sides of this house would agree, that in terms of prioritising system design, the scheme we have set up for 90% of the workforce that is employed should be delivered first and quickly, and that is what we have committed to do, ideally by the end of April" Chief Secretary to the Treasury Stephen Barclay said:
We know many self-employed people are in distress but we are working urgently to address this problem, and I say to the self-employed, we have not forgotten you, help is coming.
But the policy and delivery is complex and we cannot and should not rush to announce a scheme that begs more questions than it answers . There is nothing currently in place for them. Welcome back btw Very difficult to develop a scheme for the self employed. Any scheme could be very easily abused. Nomatter what they come up with it will get criticised from all directions. A percentage of last years declared income could be a solution but I am sure there would be problems with that. HMRC have the figures. If there has been undeclared income Cest La Vie. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2020 14:14:18 GMT
Dreadful dreadful attitude
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 24, 2020 14:19:12 GMT
Dreadful dreadful attitude What a selfish old cow. Absolutely no regard for human life apparently. 'Oh I don't care I've lived my life'. What about the other fuckers you pass it onto love? |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 24, 2020 14:21:02 GMT
He may or may not be a massive bellend but not sure of the relevance of his donations to a campaign nearly three years ago. I would also add that a business like wetherspoons just like BA and others will literally run out of cash pretty quickly, it has no income and wont carry huge cash reserves as it usually takes many millions each day and it uses that to open other pubs and will have many millions of pounds worth of stock which is pretty much worthless so it is actually possible they actually might need the loan to pay the staff. Just pointing out whats important to him Money not Staff. You supporting Tory ideology in any guise... Shall I make it more simple for you, if you don't have the money you can't pay it out. Last Financial year end wetherspoons had cash of £43m and borrowings of £800m, total sales £1.8 billion profit of £73m, thats roughly £35m sales / cash lost every week they are closed so you know if they dont have the cash they can't pay it out nothing to with ideology you halfwit. They like many industries without the promise of government help would have had to make 40k people redundant. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2020 14:21:13 GMT
Dreadful dreadful attitude What a selfish old cow. Absolutely no regard for human life apparently. 'Oh I don't care I've lived my life'. What about the other fuckers you pass it onto love? Its incredible mate😮 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2020 14:21:38 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 24, 2020 14:25:21 GMT
What a selfish old cow. Absolutely no regard for human life apparently. 'Oh I don't care I've lived my life'. What about the other fuckers you pass it onto love? Its incredible mate😮 It's staggering really. It's like a lot of our citizens unlike the rest of Europe have a complete disregard for keeping safe, social distancing and the like. And then you see some of the videos and pics of people hoarded together in shops, the tube, at parks and you just think 'Why do you not care?' And then those knobheads doing the 'Coronavirus challenege' licking bottles on shelves. They are putting so many lives at risk. But to have someone who is clearly at the vulnerable age stage have that attitude angers me even more. Just because she reckons she's had her innings doesn't mean someone else has to cash their chips in as well. |
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Post by yeokel on Mar 24, 2020 14:27:08 GMT
If you can't see it on the Parliamentary website just look at the attachment Bet365 posted 5 hours ago. It's quite specific. Whatever he's said it's there in black and white. More contradiction and confusion then, he's just literally said in Parliament that it's a complex issue and he doesn't yet have a proposal for them! And yet you wanted him (Sunak) to be PM a couple of days ago. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 24, 2020 14:27:24 GMT
Can't see what was posted above but this is what Sunak said literally just now in Parliament.
"This is what Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, told MPs a few minutes ago about why constructing a scheme to protect the self-employed who are losing work because of the coronavirus crisis was so complicated. He said it may require a brand new system. He explained:
We’re looking at pace at what support can be provided.
The fact is that [the 5m group] that we’re dealing with contains such a wide variety of different people where we don’t have the ability to target support - that’s the challenge that we have in designing something that gets to the people that we want it to help whilst at the same time being affordable, not having to benefit absolutely everybody.
That is proving to be problematic, but we are hard at work on it.
In terms of delivery, it is almost certainly going to be the case that we would have to build another brand new system to deliver any support.
I think it’s right, and I’m sure honourable members on both sides of this house would agree, that in terms of prioritising system design, the scheme we have set up for 90% of the workforce that is employed should be delivered first and quickly, and that is what we have committed to do, ideally by the end of April" Chief Secretary to the Treasury Stephen Barclay said:
We know many self-employed people are in distress but we are working urgently to address this problem, and I say to the self-employed, we have not forgotten you, help is coming.
But the policy and delivery is complex and we cannot and should not rush to announce a scheme that begs more questions than it answers . There is nothing currently in place for them. Welcome back btw If you can't see it on the Parliamentary website just look at the attachment Bet365 posted 5 hours ago. It's quite specific. Whatever he's said it's there in black and white. It's what a group of mps would like to do similar as for employed people but the problem is self employed covers dogwalkers to tv presenters and the government will actually have to transfer any money directly, employees will be paid via their companies and the government will pay them so they might have to deal with a few thousand companies not 26m people but the self employed they will have to calculate, check and pay every self employed person potentially 5m+ not easy or quick. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2020 14:29:27 GMT
It's staggering really. It's like a lot of our citizens unlike the rest of Europe have a complete disregard for keeping safe, social distancing and the like. And then you see some of the videos and pics of people hoarded together in shops, the tube, at parks and you just think 'Why do you not care?' And then those knobheads doing the 'Coronavirus challenege' licking bottles on shelves. They are putting so many lives at risk. But to have someone who is clearly at the vulnerable age stage have that attitude angers me even more. Just because she reckons she's had her innings doesn't mean someone else has to cash their chips in as well. We should be allowed to smash said bottles over their stupid fucking skulls, God I hate what this World has become selfish thoughtless brain dead twats. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 14:34:55 GMT
It's staggering really. It's like a lot of our citizens unlike the rest of Europe have a complete disregard for keeping safe, social distancing and the like. And then you see some of the videos and pics of people hoarded together in shops, the tube, at parks and you just think 'Why do you not care?' And then those knobheads doing the 'Coronavirus challenege' licking bottles on shelves. They are putting so many lives at risk. But to have someone who is clearly at the vulnerable age stage have that attitude angers me even more. Just because she reckons she's had her innings doesn't mean someone else has to cash their chips in as well. We should be allowed to smash said bottles over their stupid fucking skulls, God I hate what this World has become selfish thoughtless brain dead twats. There are always tossers in any society mate, hopefully they get fined for their trouble. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 24, 2020 14:41:50 GMT
It's staggering really. It's like a lot of our citizens unlike the rest of Europe have a complete disregard for keeping safe, social distancing and the like. And then you see some of the videos and pics of people hoarded together in shops, the tube, at parks and you just think 'Why do you not care?' And then those knobheads doing the 'Coronavirus challenege' licking bottles on shelves. They are putting so many lives at risk. But to have someone who is clearly at the vulnerable age stage have that attitude angers me even more. Just because she reckons she's had her innings doesn't mean someone else has to cash their chips in as well. Went out for a walk yesterday with my lad and came up behind an old couple on a country path around a lake. We purposely held back so they didn’t feel rushed and they knew we were behind them. When the path opened up, we moved on by giving them about five metres clearance. As we walked around the lake we met the same couple coming back toward us. At this point the path was narrow, almost single person. Me and my lad purposely stepped off the path into deeper and wet grass to avoid them. What did they do? Carried on walking side by side in an ignorant fashion. I was pissed off that I’d gone out of my way to make them feel better, and they didn’t give a toss or a thank you. I would say that I had earlier seen a group of about 6 or 7 oaps walking their dogs....all side by side and talking into each other’s faces as they were hard of hearing. This isn’t a pop at older people and I know there are many youngsters taking the piss with social distancing, but there aren’t half some ignorant twats out there who are doing little to make the situation any better. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2020 14:42:50 GMT
Dreadful dreadful attitude Truly shocking but there are lots of very ignorant people out there like this. |
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2020 14:46:45 GMT
We should be allowed to smash said bottles over their stupid fucking skulls, God I hate what this World has become selfish thoughtless brain dead twats. There are always tossers in any society mate, hopefully they get fined for their trouble. A famous author and crimonologist here said: "According to the law, if a person knows he/she carries a potentially deadly disease that can be transmitted to others, and act in an irresponsible way - that person can be sent to a life sentence!" Wow!! In Sweden? Swedish law? We who hardly have any imprisonment worth mentioning otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 14:50:55 GMT
There are always tossers in any society mate, hopefully they get fined for their trouble. A famous author and crimonologist here said: "According to the law, if a person knows he/she carries a potentially deadly disease that can be transmitted to others, and act in an irresponsible way - that person can be sent to a life sentence!" Wow!! In Sweden? Swedish law? We who hardly have any imprisonment worth mentioning otherwise. It can be charged as manslaughter in the UK too to knowingly inflict a disease on others. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2020 14:53:52 GMT
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Post by sevvy on Mar 24, 2020 14:54:11 GMT
Anyone got the updated version of this chart including the last few days? I think I've done this right. The 23rd March for us equates to the 9th March on there. Italy 463 UK 335 Thanks.... and to others who answered. So since the figures were the same +- 14 days (233) on the 21st our numbers don't seem to be rising as quickly since then, though it's only an additional 2 days, remains to be seen if these new measures can stop our figures catching up again. |
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2020 14:59:21 GMT
Has it been or will mass testing be done in the UK?
USA and Sweden are talking about mass testing of people now, like in S Korea and near Venice, Italy.
HOW is it supposed to work?
Go to your doctor and get it done, waiting in the waiting room with 25 others in a couple of hours - to make sure you get the disease?? -
or
Have a visit by some nurse in an outer space outfit doing it in your home?
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 24, 2020 15:04:55 GMT
Here's a situation that's arising at my work place to pick the bones of.
Work is drying up but some of our work can be argued essential (Payroll, Company accounts etc). The IMO best worker has had the NHS letter today confining him to home for 12 weeks. A worker who is lets say not near his level of output is probably going to be furlough by the end of the week.
This will give us a situation of a good worker picking up SSP whilst the crap worker gets 80% pay.
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Post by zerps on Mar 24, 2020 15:05:13 GMT
This is fantastic for climate change. Did the unwashed xr dudes invent a virus?
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2020 15:06:06 GMT
Has it been or will mass testing be done in the UK? USA and Sweden are talking about mass testing of people now, like in S Korea and near Venice, Italy. HOW is it supposed to work? Go to your doctor and get it done, waiting in the waiting room with 25 others in a couple of hours - to make sure you get the disease?? - or Have a visit by some nurse in an outer space outfit doing it in your home? Probably have to pay extra for the last option, sounds worth it tho, especially where you live.. |
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2020 15:09:28 GMT
Has it been or will mass testing be done in the UK? USA and Sweden are talking about mass testing of people now, like in S Korea and near Venice, Italy. HOW is it supposed to work? Go to your doctor and get it done, waiting in the waiting room with 25 others in a couple of hours - to make sure you get the disease?? - or Have a visit by some nurse in an outer space outfit doing it in your home? Probably have to pay extra for the last option, sounds worth it tho, especially where you live.. Well, the first option is out of question - I will refuse. |
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Post by yeokel on Mar 24, 2020 15:10:11 GMT
It's staggering really. It's like a lot of our citizens unlike the rest of Europe have a complete disregard for keeping safe, social distancing and the like. And then you see some of the videos and pics of people hoarded together in shops, the tube, at parks and you just think 'Why do you not care?' And then those knobheads doing the 'Coronavirus challenege' licking bottles on shelves. They are putting so many lives at risk. But to have someone who is clearly at the vulnerable age stage have that attitude angers me even more. Just because she reckons she's had her innings doesn't mean someone else has to cash their chips in as well. Went out for a walk yesterday with my lad and came up behind an old couple on a country path around a lake. We purposely held back so they didn’t feel rushed and they knew we were behind them. When the path opened up, we moved on by giving them about five metres clearance. As we walked around the lake we met the same couple coming back toward us. At this point the path was narrow, almost single person. Me and my lad purposely stepped off the path into deeper and wet grass to avoid them. What did they do? Carried on walking side by side in an ignorant fashion. I was pissed off that I’d gone out of my way to make them feel better, and they didn’t give a toss or a thank you. I would say that I had earlier seen a group of about 6 or 7 oaps walking their dogs....all side by side and talking into each other’s faces as they were hard of hearing. This isn’t a pop at older people and I know there are many youngsters taking the piss with social distancing, but there aren’t half some ignorant twats out there who are doing little to make the situation any better. The Blue Rinse Mafia. You come across the entitled wankers in all sorts of situations. |
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Post by Dr Hesham on Mar 24, 2020 15:14:59 GMT
Has it been or will mass testing be done in the UK? USA and Sweden are talking about mass testing of people now, like in S Korea and near Venice, Italy. HOW is it supposed to work? Go to your doctor and get it done, waiting in the waiting room with 25 others in a couple of hours - to make sure you get the disease?? - or Have a visit by some nurse in an outer space outfit doing it in your home? I read that in USA they organize drive thru testing in multiple locations and states, I dont know if this is applied in UK or not. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2020 15:16:52 GMT
Matt Hancock in the HOC replying to who should and shouldn't go to work just ... "I want to be clear where people absolutely cannot work from home, they can still go to work, indeed it's important that they do, to keep the country running."
So don't stay at home ... go to work.
And people are wondering why the tubes are packed!
Just what is the point of banning meetings of two people outside of work, when everybody's going to be packed together getting to work anyway? 
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 24, 2020 15:20:56 GMT
After deciding not to work as it wasn't 'essential'I thought I'd look if I could get the ssp or esa or universal credit.... They don't make it easy do they? Where the fuck do you start?
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 24, 2020 15:21:04 GMT
Here's a situation that's arising at my work place to pick the bones of. Work is drying up but some of our work can be argued essential (Payroll, Company accounts etc). The IMO best worker has had the NHS letter today confining him to home for 12 weeks. A worker who is lets say not near his level of output is probably going to be furlough by the end of the week. This will give us a situation of a good worker picking up SSP whilst the crap worker gets 80% pay. Have they got to go on sick pay? I get they've had the letter but can work not decide to just furlough them themselves by their own directive? |
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Post by felonious on Mar 24, 2020 15:26:36 GMT
This is fantastic for climate change. Did the unwashed xr dudes invent a virus? Wouldn't think so it'll be going through their squats like wildfire. |
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