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Post by rorymscfc on Jun 21, 2021 12:07:01 GMT
Has anyone either on this message board or elsewhere claimed the covid vaccines are totally safe? It's all about relative risk. There have been and there will be a small number of deaths directly related to the vaccines but the numbers will never outweigh the number of people who would have died of covid and the evidence to date support the view that this will remain the case. The claim that the covid vaccines are "untested" is simply untrue - they have been subjected to the same level of rigorous testing as any vaccine or medicine at the point they were approved for use. The testing sample during trials can never fully represent an entire population and issues will occur during a vaccine rollout because the only way of testing every individuals reaction to the vaccine would involve giving it to every individual - which isn't a test, it's a rollout. By this standard no vaccine or medicine would ever be released because someone somewhere might have an adverse reaction. As your quotes demonstrate during the rollout phase the effects of the vaccine continue to be rigorously monitored and if the risks get anywhere near the benefits the vaccines will be withdrawn. The results to date after millions of people have been vaccinated indicate that the benefits massively outweigh the risks. The suspicion that the covid vaccines might suddenly cause serious illness and death months and years after being administered is just a vague fear - there is no evidence to support this while there is plenty of evidence to support the view that the vaccines are far safer than covid. The mechanisms by which the vaccines might cause long term issues are either pseudo science or science fiction: 1 The vaccines alter your genes. If they did this they might have a long term effect but the vaccines do not alter your genes. 2 Exposure to the spike protein in the vaccines might cause an adverse effect. True - but the spike proteins are metabolised and disappear from you body quickly and if the spike protein is a problem you'd get that if exposed to the covid virus anyway. 3 The vaccines contain microchips. Yes, well... 4 I've no idea of how the covid vaccine might affect me years down the line but it might. I ate my first peanut when I was about 12 but I stopped worrying about going into anaphylactic shock sometime ago and if I suddenly had one pinning it down to that peanut would ridiculous. There is a zoo about 15 miles up the road and a lion might escape and wander down my street looking for it's next meal. This could happen. However I'm quite happy to claim it won't and when I go to open the door it doesn't play a part in my decision to go out. For me the covid vaccine being a long term problem falls into the same category - it might have an unknown long term effect but to all intent and purpose I'm happy to put it in the won't happen category. I choose to make my decisions based on what is known rather than worry about things that might happen in theory for which there is no evidence to support whether they will actually happen in practice, In your terms I might be being "speculative" but if I lived my life worrying about things with a tiny chance of happening I'd be paralysed by fear and hiding from lions. You sound like you have stock in the big pharma companies! The vaccines have NOT had the same level of testing. They were developed in 6 months where “scientists” were expecting them to take 3-5 years to develop. The vaccines have NOT been approved for general use, but have a special emergency use only approval There is ZERO evidence that the vaccines are safe long-term, this is just a vague hope. Blood clots were NOT a known complication and the public were NOT informed of the risk until after they started happening. The vaccines “tell” your body to make spike proteins. No one knows if the body will stop making them on it’s own. Spike proteins are known to cause complications. The chance of a lion escaping from a zoo can be calculated - no one can calculate the risk of long-term effects from the vaccines, because they haven’t got a clue what they might be. I asked you 2 simple questions in a previous discussion between the two of us, and the lack of answer speaks volumes. I am not a conveniently labeled anti-vaxxer; if anyone can tell me what the long term risks are of having the vaccine, I can weigh up the risks and benefits and make an informed decision. BUT there is no way on earth I’m going to allow someone to inject me with something simply because some proven liar tells me to. The vaccine does not tell you body to make spike protein. The spike protein is part of the virus. The vaccine mimics part of the spike protein and tricks your immune system into making antibodies against it. If you then encounter the real spike protein (by coming into contact with the virus), your immune system will recognise the threat and immediately start producing antibodies to combat infection. If your body continues making antibodies for a long time afterwards then that’s actually a good thing.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 12:10:48 GMT
Are you a polititian? You didn't answer my question. No but he's got a point hasn't he? Why do you assume violence and destruction are the only consequences of 'doing something'? Thunberg has got her point across without thumping anyone. Attenborough got to present to the G7 without setting fire to anything. Captain Tom captured the imagination of a nation without chucking a firebomb. Rashford got a governnent the U-Turn without storming a government building - I could go on. If this thread were a night in the pub it's now beyond kicking out time. Everyone who's got something to be up for tomorrow has long gone and all that's left are the bar-flies still hanging on to the earlier arguement and agreeing with each other that 'we told 'em". Yes well we heard you and no doubt anyone who calls in tomorrow will hear more of the same. "Time gentlemen please" What can the average Joe do? Talk about it. When you see/hear someone spouting the party line, give the other viewpoint also. I’m an old guy and am certainly not in a position to sue the government or March on the capital, so I talk about it. And now, you, just like Twitter, Facebook, et al want me to shut up? OK, but how is that doing something.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 12:25:27 GMT
You sound like you have stock in the big pharma companies! The vaccines have NOT had the same level of testing. They were developed in 6 months where “scientists” were expecting them to take 3-5 years to develop. The vaccines have NOT been approved for general use, but have a special emergency use only approval There is ZERO evidence that the vaccines are safe long-term, this is just a vague hope. Blood clots were NOT a known complication and the public were NOT informed of the risk until after they started happening. The vaccines “tell” your body to make spike proteins. No one knows if the body will stop making them on it’s own. Spike proteins are known to cause complications. The chance of a lion escaping from a zoo can be calculated - no one can calculate the risk of long-term effects from the vaccines, because they haven’t got a clue what they might be. I asked you 2 simple questions in a previous discussion between the two of us, and the lack of answer speaks volumes. I am not a conveniently labeled anti-vaxxer; if anyone can tell me what the long term risks are of having the vaccine, I can weigh up the risks and benefits and make an informed decision. BUT there is no way on earth I’m going to allow someone to inject me with something simply because some proven liar tells me to. The vaccine does not tell you body to make spike protein. The spike protein is part of the virus. The vaccine mimics part of the spike protein and tricks your immune system into making antibodies against it. If you then encounter the real spike protein (by coming into contact with the virus), your immune system will recognise the threat and immediately start producing antibodies to combat infection. If your body continues making antibodies for a long time afterwards then that’s actually a good thing. The CDC says it does. But I am always skeptical of these left wing wacko organizations that try to influence people. CDC. Propaganda?And of course that bastion of fake news …… ReutersWhy would they say “there is no scientific evidence that the spike proteins generated by the vaccines cause harm“, if the vaccines did not cause spike protein to be generated by your body? And these are the same fact checkers that tell us there is no scientific evidence that the virus came from the Wuhan lab?
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Post by rorymscfc on Jun 21, 2021 12:34:26 GMT
The vaccine does not tell you body to make spike protein. The spike protein is part of the virus. The vaccine mimics part of the spike protein and tricks your immune system into making antibodies against it. If you then encounter the real spike protein (by coming into contact with the virus), your immune system will recognise the threat and immediately start producing antibodies to combat infection. If your body continues making antibodies for a long time afterwards then that’s actually a good thing. The CDC says it does. But I am always skeptical of these left wing wacko organizations that try to influence people. CDC. Propaganda?It instructs the cell to make a small part of the spike protein which then tricks your immune system into generating antibodies. If you were to keep making the fragment of spike protein then you would keep producing antibodies it.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 12:39:26 GMT
The CDC says it does. But I am always skeptical of these left wing wacko organizations that try to influence people. CDC. Propaganda?It instructs the cell to make a small part of the spike protein which then tricks your immune system into generating antibodies. If you were to keep making the fragment of spike protein then you would keep producing antibodies it. Sorry I posted before finishing. Please see edits to add further information. What tricks your body into stopping to make the spike proteins?
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2021 12:55:51 GMT
You sound like you have stock in the big pharma companies! The vaccines have NOT had the same level of testing. They were developed in 6 months where “scientists” were expecting them to take 3-5 years to develop. The vaccines have NOT been approved for general use, but have a special emergency use only approval There is ZERO evidence that the vaccines are safe long-term, this is just a vague hope. Blood clots were NOT a known complication and the public were NOT informed of the risk until after they started happening. The vaccines “tell” your body to make spike proteins. No one knows if the body will stop making them on it’s own. Spike proteins are known to cause complications. The chance of a lion escaping from a zoo can be calculated - no one can calculate the risk of long-term effects from the vaccines, because they haven’t got a clue what they might be. I asked you 2 simple questions in a previous discussion between the two of us, and the lack of answer speaks volumes. I am not a conveniently labeled anti-vaxxer; if anyone can tell me what the long term risks are of having the vaccine, I can weigh up the risks and benefits and make an informed decision. BUT there is no way on earth I’m going to allow someone to inject me with something simply because some proven liar tells me to. The vaccine does not tell you body to make spike protein. The spike protein is part of the virus. The vaccine mimics part of the spike protein and tricks your immune system into making antibodies against it. If you then encounter the real spike protein (by coming into contact with the virus), your immune system will recognise the threat and immediately start producing antibodies to combat infection. If your body continues making antibodies for a long time afterwards then that’s actually a good thing. I'm not sure that continuing to make antibodies is a good thing - Antibody Dependent Enhancement. And the obsession with antibodies as opposed to T-cell immunity has driven a lot of this agenda. Information on T-cell immunity is deliberately and criminally withheld from the public by the likes of Vallance and Whitty because it doesn't suit the agenda. As for the spike protein injected - either directly via AZ jab (hence more immediate effects), or generated via mRNA jabs (which may cause problems in the longer term), it may well be this that has damaging effects. Concerns raised by a Japanese study -links in article, and German autopsy reports I've linked previously. adarapress.com/2021/06/01/japanese-regulatory-agency-study-vax-spike-protein-concentrates-in-spleen-liver-adrenals-and-ovaries-in-high-concentrations-breast-milk-contaminated/
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 13:03:50 GMT
The vaccine does not tell you body to make spike protein. The spike protein is part of the virus. The vaccine mimics part of the spike protein and tricks your immune system into making antibodies against it. If you then encounter the real spike protein (by coming into contact with the virus), your immune system will recognise the threat and immediately start producing antibodies to combat infection. If your body continues making antibodies for a long time afterwards then that’s actually a good thing. I'm not sure that continuing to make antibodies is a good thing - Antibody Dependent Enhancement. And the obsession with antibodies as opposed to T-cell immunity has driven a lot of this agenda. Information on T-cell immunity is deliberately and criminally withheld from the public by the likes of Vallance and Whitty because it doesn't suit the agenda. As for the spike protein injected - either directly via AZ jab (hence more immediate effects), or generated via mRNA jabs (which may cause problems in the longer term), it may well be this that has damaging effects. Concerns raised by a Japanese study -links in article, and German autopsy reports I've linked previously. adarapress.com/2021/06/01/japanese-regulatory-agency-study-vax-spike-protein-concentrates-in-spleen-liver-adrenals-and-ovaries-in-high-concentrations-breast-milk-contaminated/This can't be true! After all, Fake News has declared it as untrue, just like the possibility of the Wuhan lab being the origination site of the pandemic!
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2021 13:25:48 GMT
This can't be true! After all, Fake News has declared it as untrue, just like the possibility of the Wuhan lab being the origination site of the pandemic! If it doesn't come from the giant media conglomerates, then it must be fake. Even though any contrary information is banned by these conglomerates. And Eleven though the story is changed to fit whatever is best to control people in that particular moment. Hence the wuhan lab dismissal earlier on. Now they want the story to run to generate fear about a 'deadly pandemic'. The main feature of this story, regardless of what went on there, and never mentioned, is the globalist collusion between the US and China, when the masses are told they are enemies. They have the same globalist powers at work in both countries.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 21, 2021 13:47:56 GMT
There seems to be very little discussion around the companies who are producing these vaccinations and their track records
This morning Matt Hancock has been talking about booster jabs and a leading name in the frame is Novavax apparently.
Its an appropriate name because before this pandemic they had never produced a successful vaccination in their history (going back 1987 I believe)
None of their attempts to produce vaccinations passed the required tests. A history of rushed trials apparently.
Then Donald Trump decided to give them 1.6 billion after a phone call with Bill Gates just about the time when the company was about to go under apparently.
Interesting stuff....dodgy deals!!!
I'm sure there will lots of films made about this in the future.
Nobody seems too bothered about what they are putting into their bodies right now though and where its coming from.
That's their right though I suppose!
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Post by SCFC92 on Jun 21, 2021 14:05:59 GMT
There seems to be very little discussion around the companies who are producing these vaccinations and their track records This morning Matt Hancock has been talking about booster jabs and a leading name in the frame is Novavax apparently. Its an appropriate name because before this pandemic they had never produced a successful vaccination in their history (going back 1987 I believe) None of their attempts to produce vaccinations passed the required tests. A history of rushed trials apparently. Then Donald Trump decided to give them 1.6 billion after a phone call with Bill Gates just about the time when the company was about to go under apparently. Interesting stuff....dodgy deals!!! I'm sure there will lots of films made about this in the future. Nobody seems too bothered about what they are putting into their bodies right now though and where its coming from. That's their right though I suppose! Some of the dodgy Vodka I drank back in my heavy partying days (Rushkinoff Cough anyone?!), along with a multitude of other things (past partners included) gives me absolutely ZERO right to turn away a fully tested Vaccine based on it being an alien substance going into my body.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 21, 2021 14:06:41 GMT
No but he's got a point hasn't he? Why do you assume violence and destruction are the only consequences of 'doing something'? Thunberg has got her point across without thumping anyone. Attenborough got to present to the G7 without setting fire to anything. Captain Tom captured the imagination of a nation without chucking a firebomb. Rashford got a governnent the U-Turn without storming a government building - I could go on. If this thread were a night in the pub it's now beyond kicking out time. Everyone who's got something to be up for tomorrow has long gone and all that's left are the bar-flies still hanging on to the earlier arguement and agreeing with each other that 'we told 'em". Yes well we heard you and no doubt anyone who calls in tomorrow will hear more of the same. "Time gentlemen please" What can the average Joe do? Talk about it. When you see/hear someone spouting the party line, give the other viewpoint also. I’m an old guy and am certainly not in a position to sue the government or March on the capital, so I talk about it. And now, you, just like Twitter, Facebook, et al want me to shut up? OK, but how is that doing something. Ok - I grant you Attenborough and Rashford are hardly average Joe's - but Thunberg and Moore? Tom was also an old Codger. There are plently of 'average' people who have affected change. And if Twitter and Facebook are telling you to shut up then resist it - because I'm certainly not telling you that. In fact I'm telling you just the opposite - shout it louder if you think you've got a point to be heard - spread your horizons beyond - er - a football message board thread where there aren't that many minds to be changed and I doubt you've managed even that. If the world is as imperilled by dodgy vaccines as you say it is you need to be telling more than just a couple of dozen Boothen enders.
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Post by zerps on Jun 21, 2021 14:06:48 GMT
I’ll be doing my Elephant impression all day
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 21, 2021 14:09:43 GMT
This can't be true! After all, Fake News has declared it as untrue, just like the possibility of the Wuhan lab being the origination site of the pandemic! Correct everyone knows it was some dozy fucker who undercooked his crispy bat
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Post by songthrush01 on Jun 21, 2021 14:48:25 GMT
Tested positive for Covid, lovely footballer and a real shame for the lad but that's his tournament over I would imagine. Makes a mockery of the rules really, footballers are hugging and kissing each other and only the one person has to isolate, yet you can be sat in the same beer garden as a total stranger and be forced to isolate through track and trace although to be fair England's players probably didn't get close enough to him....... And this mockery of rules from Sport to G7, from sturgeon moaning about the north but sending 20,000 jocks down south etc etc is what’s pissing people off and fuels conspiracy. why you saying conspiracy,when these are facts.year and half people have warned that all these conspiracy theory are true.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 15:05:42 GMT
There seems to be very little discussion around the companies who are producing these vaccinations and their track records This morning Matt Hancock has been talking about booster jabs and a leading name in the frame is Novavax apparently. Its an appropriate name because before this pandemic they had never produced a successful vaccination in their history (going back 1987 I believe) None of their attempts to produce vaccinations passed the required tests. A history of rushed trials apparently. Then Donald Trump decided to give them 1.6 billion after a phone call with Bill Gates just about the time when the company was about to go under apparently. Interesting stuff....dodgy deals!!! I'm sure there will lots of films made about this in the future. Nobody seems too bothered about what they are putting into their bodies right now though and where its coming from. That's their right though I suppose! Johnson & Johnson can't even make a talcum powder that's safe!
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 15:07:59 GMT
I’ll be doing my Elephant impression all day Blowing your nose? Bet that'll set some of the ninnie "Liberal MAGA Hat" wearing crowd beserk.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2021 15:17:29 GMT
The "deaths take a few weeks to come through you know" mob from a few weeks ago seem to have gone awfully quiet the past few days.
5 new deaths that may or may not have died because of covid. Free us from these mental lockdowns and stop wrecking innocent lives.
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Post by zerps on Jun 21, 2021 15:43:25 GMT
The "deaths take a few weeks to come through you know" mob from a few weeks ago seem to have gone awfully quiet the past few days. 5 new deaths that may or may not have died because of covid. Free us from these mental lockdowns and stop wrecking innocent lives. It the government cared McDonalds wouldn’t be allowed to open 50 new stores nationwide.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2021 15:44:57 GMT
The "deaths take a few weeks to come through you know" mob from a few weeks ago seem to have gone awfully quiet the past few days. 5 new deaths that may or may not have died because of covid. Free us from these mental lockdowns and stop wrecking innocent lives. Who is this mob you talk of, or is this just more hyperbole?
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jun 21, 2021 15:47:06 GMT
The "deaths take a few weeks to come through you know" mob from a few weeks ago seem to have gone awfully quiet the past few days. 5 new deaths that may or may not have died because of covid. Free us from these mental lockdowns and stop wrecking innocent lives. It's been 5 weeks now since the last easing of restrictions, and there has been NO uptick in deaths at all. They remain flat and in single figures most days. Yes hospital admissions have gone up slightly(negligible at the moment), but it's clear that these are mostly younger, healthier people, or even some older, more frail people who've been vaccinated, but it's just not been that effective for them because of how frail they are. We have protected the people who needed protecting, now let us get on with our lives as normal.
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Post by questionable on Jun 21, 2021 16:26:57 GMT
The "deaths take a few weeks to come through you know" mob from a few weeks ago seem to have gone awfully quiet the past few days. 5 new deaths that may or may not have died because of covid. Free us from these mental lockdowns and stop wrecking innocent lives. It the government cared McDonalds wouldn’t be allowed to open 50 new stores nationwide. 💰💰💰💰💰💰
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Post by zerps on Jun 21, 2021 16:29:35 GMT
It the government cared McDonalds wouldn’t be allowed to open 50 new stores nationwide. 💰💰💰💰💰💰 Won’t help the nhs will it when everyone that queues up for Mcdonads every day is morbidly obese It’ll be recorded as a covid death of course
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Post by chad on Jun 21, 2021 16:35:36 GMT
Bitchute.com - Described by Wikipedia and various other sites as “Video service known for servicing and accommodating far right individuals and conspiracy theorists”. “ A hotbed for violent conspiratorial and hate filled propaganda” Yep. A really great site to get your news from Mainstream media, including Major networks, google, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, have all got a history of left wing woke bias. Great places to get your news from. Just look at how they have tried to deny that it started at the lab in Wuhan, as a small example. Come on Say what you want about the MSM but that website is just a joke and in no way constitutes a news site
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 16:40:39 GMT
Mainstream media, including Major networks, google, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, have all got a history of left wing woke bias. Great places to get your news from. Just look at how they have tried to deny that it started at the lab in Wuhan, as a small example. Come on Say what you want about the MSM but that website is just a joke and in no way constitutes a news site It's just one of many sites reporting anomalies to the party line that are being ignored by main stream media or censored by social media. Where else do you think people should voice their opinions when they are denied freedom of speech?
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 21, 2021 16:52:55 GMT
Today I have been in a petrol station and a large Tesco Extra. As promised I wore no mask in either. Nobody challenged me.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2021 16:56:26 GMT
Today I have been in a petrol station and a large Tesco Extra. As promised I wore no mask in either. Nobody challenged me. Tesco Extra variant incoming
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Post by chad on Jun 21, 2021 17:00:34 GMT
Come on Say what you want about the MSM but that website is just a joke and in no way constitutes a news site It's just one of many sites reporting anomalies to the party line that are being ignored by main stream media or censored by social media. Where else do you think people should voice their opinions when they are denied freedom of speech? Freedom of speech is fine. But you need to ignore the garbage on sites like that one
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Post by hoffgreen on Jun 21, 2021 18:41:58 GMT
It's just one of many sites reporting anomalies to the party line that are being ignored by main stream media or censored by social media. Where else do you think people should voice their opinions when they are denied freedom of speech? Freedom of speech is fine. But you need to ignore the garbage on sites like that one Why's that then? Who are you, the thought police?
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 21, 2021 19:08:08 GMT
Today I have been in a petrol station and a large Tesco Extra. As promised I wore no mask in either. Nobody challenged me. Tesco Extra variant incoming How many ClubCard points do you get for that?
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Post by chad on Jun 21, 2021 19:19:03 GMT
Freedom of speech is fine. But you need to ignore the garbage on sites like that one Why's that then? Who are you, the thought police? Google the website See what it’s all about
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