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Post by starkiller on Jun 20, 2021 22:43:30 GMT
If you haven't been ignoring all government advice already, freedom day tomorrow.
Here's as good a rallying cry as any.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 20, 2021 22:50:24 GMT
If you haven't been ignoring all government advice already, freedom day tomorrow. Here's as good a rallying cry as any. The pro "extend freedom day" mob must feel totally humiliated and highly embarrassed right now. I guess it's not their fault in so far as they've been lied to and frankly, indoctrinated, but hopefully they learn from their naivety should we ever be threatened with restrictions on our lives again. It's time to wake up and reclaim your life. Burn your masks and support your family, friends and businesses in recovering from this corrupt, scandalous mess society has found itself in over the past 17 months.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 20, 2021 22:54:49 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 20, 2021 23:35:20 GMT
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't it all start in Wuhan November 2019 (if not before)? I remember I heard news about Corona before New Years Eve then. It was always called Corona in the early stages (never Covid-19).
So it must be at least 19 months by now.
And in Sweden restrictions and the new Pandemic Law holds us until Jan 2022, they've said.
😷
Normality? 2027?
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Post by Northy on Jun 21, 2021 6:02:22 GMT
Young people aren't having the AZ like the story are they ? Did you have Pfizer or AZ What do you call young? I know 35 yo and double jabbed with AZ in Staffordshire this month, no offer of alternative. Whatever the NHS said, wasn't it 30 and below?
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Post by Northy on Jun 21, 2021 6:02:46 GMT
In the long run the vaccines will kill far more than what Covid has. It's an awful situation but people just wouldn't listen 😢 How and why ?
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Post by chad on Jun 21, 2021 6:43:02 GMT
In the long run the vaccines will kill far more than what Covid has. It's an awful situation but people just wouldn't listen 😢 How and why ? Because it says so on Twitter. Come on keep up
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 21, 2021 7:15:07 GMT
A good friend of mine went berserk at me the other day because I said I didn’t want it, and not because I think it’s going to connect me to the wifi, I just don’t want it and I admit I’m scared of any effects I may have from it, I don’t care what graphs or statistics that get thrown at me, it should be left down to choice and not result in a round of fucks and guilt tripping. I hate what this has turned people into. I'm seriously regretting having it www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/british-model-dies-cyprus-astrazeneca-vaccine-b937107.htmlthe night of my second jab i was as this woman "I had full body shakes, all my joints seized and I was struggling to breathe and was cold to the bone", this happened in the early hours, 2 hours later i was pissed wet through with sweat. No way will a booster pass my skin. It's worrying that young people are having this. My 27 and 25 year olds had there first phizer vaccine Friday And not a single reaction between them
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Post by andystokey on Jun 21, 2021 7:28:15 GMT
What do you call young? I know 35 yo and double jabbed with AZ in Staffordshire this month, no offer of alternative. Whatever the NHS said, wasn't it 30 and below? JCVI has advised a preference for adults aged 30 to 39 without underlying health conditions to receive an alternative to the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine – where available and only if this does not cause substantial delays in being vaccinated. This follows the decision on 7 April to offer a preference for adults aged under 30.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jun 21, 2021 8:21:09 GMT
Some of the conspiracy theorists are having as much of a day out over this as the worry arse scientists. I think it is a macrocosm of society. We have two ends of the spectrum screaming at each other whilst the majority, sat in the middle, leaning either side are fed up of hearing from it and want to get on with their lives. Whilst I sit more towards freedoms and now the vaccines have rolled out at such a pace and with such success we should be enjoying more freedoms now than we are, some of you need to calm the fuck down, the government aren't out to get you, they don't give two shite's about you or any form of control. This isn't a mass permanent population control measure and it isn't going to be here forever. I can hear the arguments for cronyism, for the disgraceful mismanagement of the pandemic in during the first 12 months. However the "lockdown forever" brigade (which there are) are just as bad as those scared of being controlled spreading spurious and damaging information RE vaccines. This isn't mass genocide, this isn't the end of days, its a pandemic which we are currently winning the race against with vaccinations which WORK. (We have questions to answer on vaccinating the rest of the world). Basically chill the fuck out. Now open up travel to double vaccinated BoZo, I have a holiday coming up and you can bollocks!
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 21, 2021 8:30:21 GMT
I'm seriously regretting having it www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/british-model-dies-cyprus-astrazeneca-vaccine-b937107.htmlthe night of my second jab i was as this woman "I had full body shakes, all my joints seized and I was struggling to breathe and was cold to the bone", this happened in the early hours, 2 hours later i was pissed wet through with sweat. No way will a booster pass my skin. It's worrying that young people are having this. My 27 and 25 year olds had there first phizer vaccine Friday And not a single reaction between them If you go the Government's own website on Yellow Card reporting, they expect side effects in more than 1 in 10, some are listed here with a list of reported side effects. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#yellow-card-reports'As with any vaccine, the COVID-19 vaccines will cause side effects in some people. The total number and the nature of Yellow Cards reported so far is not unusual for a new vaccine for which members of the public and healthcare professionals are encouraged to report any suspected adverse reaction. As highlighted above, it is known from the clinical trials that the most common side effects for both vaccines can occur at a rate of more than one per 10 doses' But this is speculative, no-one really knows the long term effects on an untested vaccination, it is simply not possible. If someone states it is totally safe it can only be an opinion at this stage.
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Post by riverman on Jun 21, 2021 9:09:22 GMT
Not worn a mask twice so far today and no one batted an eyelid. Can't read their minds though but who cares. Happy freedom day everyone.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2021 9:14:00 GMT
Happy freedom day all.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jun 21, 2021 9:34:22 GMT
Only vaccinated fans will be able to go the the Qatar World Cup.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2021 9:37:41 GMT
Scotland's Billy Gilmour tests positive for Covid and will have to isolate for 10 days.....
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Post by salopstick on Jun 21, 2021 9:46:56 GMT
Tested positive for Covid, lovely footballer and a real shame for the lad but that's his tournament over I would imagine. Makes a mockery of the rules really, footballers are hugging and kissing each other and only the one person has to isolate, yet you can be sat in the same beer garden as a total stranger and be forced to isolate through track and trace although to be fair England's players probably didn't get close enough to him....... And this mockery of rules from Sport to G7, from sturgeon moaning about the north but sending 20,000 jocks down south etc etc is what’s pissing people off and fuels conspiracy.
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Post by musik on Jun 21, 2021 9:55:23 GMT
In Sweden we have a chaotic situation right now politically. The Communists have reach to a point where they realize the only other political party they can agree with regarding three important political areas are the Nationalists. We're going to an acute situation leading to a National Voting for a new government all of a sudden. Both sides have decided to try to get an election about the Prime Minister and the current government. The political scale might not be a line. Rather it's a circle, where the endpoints meet. During the Indian mutation peak crisis here. Voting with a face mask. If they don't solve this within Riksdagen, without the people. Totally unexpected scenario. To be continued Huh! In the most basic form, I've always viewed Nationalism (as in Nazi's) as the extreme right and Communists (as in USSR) as the extreme left. Of course neither is a good place to be. Are you suggesting they might be thinking of working together to oust the wishy-washy middle? That should be interesting! Just now ... 109 Red light (No), 181 Green light (Yes), 51 Yellow light, 8 absent. This is the final result. Yes here means yes to a new Prime Minister and yes to a new government. The government now have one week to decide what to do. New constellations or a National Voting. Sweden without a Manager atm. This situation has never appeared before.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 10:17:53 GMT
After watching that video I'm more than happy I havn't had one single test or vaccine. This is serious stuff Bitchute.com - Described by Wikipedia and various other sites as “Video service known for servicing and accommodating far right individuals and conspiracy theorists”. “ A hotbed for violent conspiratorial and hate filled propaganda” Yep. A really great site to get your news from Mainstream media, including Major networks, google, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, have all got a history of left wing woke bias. Great places to get your news from. Just look at how they have tried to deny that it started at the lab in Wuhan, as a small example.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 10:27:15 GMT
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't it all start in Wuhan November 2019 (if not before)? I remember I heard news about Corona before New Years Eve then. It was always called Corona in the early stages (never Covid-19). So it must be at least 19 months by now. And in Sweden restrictions and the new Pandemic Law holds us until Jan 2022, they've said. 😷 Normality? 2027? If you have elections, vote for people with common sense!
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 10:31:03 GMT
Now this thread has been removed from the main board I'm sure it will become a case of 'out of sight out of mind' for many. It will no doubt carry on so good luck, stay civil and remember we do all want the same thing 🙂 I'll check back in 2027 to see if I can leave the house. 👍 When this thread was rife with doom-mongers and scare tactics, I suggested it be moved, but was shot down with a vengeance. Now that the sentiment is changing it is dropped. Must be a conspiracy theory in there somewhere.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 21, 2021 10:35:33 GMT
My 27 and 25 year olds had there first phizer vaccine Friday And not a single reaction between them If you go the Government's own website on Yellow Card reporting, they expect side effects in more than 1 in 10, some are listed here with a list of reported side effects. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#yellow-card-reports'As with any vaccine, the COVID-19 vaccines will cause side effects in some people. The total number and the nature of Yellow Cards reported so far is not unusual for a new vaccine for which members of the public and healthcare professionals are encouraged to report any suspected adverse reaction. As highlighted above, it is known from the clinical trials that the most common side effects for both vaccines can occur at a rate of more than one per 10 doses' But this is speculative, no-one really knows the long term effects on an untested vaccination, it is simply not possible. If someone states it is totally safe it can only be an opinion at this stage. Has anyone either on this message board or elsewhere claimed the covid vaccines are totally safe? It's all about relative risk. There have been and there will be a small number of deaths directly related to the vaccines but the numbers will never outweigh the number of people who would have died of covid and the evidence to date support the view that this will remain the case. The claim that the covid vaccines are "untested" is simply untrue - they have been subjected to the same level of rigorous testing as any vaccine or medicine at the point they were approved for use. The testing sample during trials can never fully represent an entire population and issues will occur during a vaccine rollout because the only way of testing every individuals reaction to the vaccine would involve giving it to every individual - which isn't a test, it's a rollout. By this standard no vaccine or medicine would ever be released because someone somewhere might have an adverse reaction. As your quotes demonstrate during the rollout phase the effects of the vaccine continue to be rigorously monitored and if the risks get anywhere near the benefits the vaccines will be withdrawn. The results to date after millions of people have been vaccinated indicate that the benefits massively outweigh the risks. The suspicion that the covid vaccines might suddenly cause serious illness and death months and years after being administered is just a vague fear - there is no evidence to support this while there is plenty of evidence to support the view that the vaccines are far safer than covid. The mechanisms by which the vaccines might cause long term issues are either pseudo science or science fiction: 1 The vaccines alter your genes. If they did this they might have a long term effect but the vaccines do not alter your genes. 2 Exposure to the spike protein in the vaccines might cause an adverse effect. True - but the spike proteins are metabolised and disappear from you body quickly and if the spike protein is a problem you'd get that if exposed to the covid virus anyway. 3 The vaccines contain microchips. Yes, well... 4 I've no idea of how the covid vaccine might affect me years down the line but it might. I ate my first peanut when I was about 12 but I stopped worrying about going into anaphylactic shock sometime ago and if I suddenly had one pinning it down to that peanut would ridiculous. There is a zoo about 15 miles up the road and a lion might escape and wander down my street looking for it's next meal. This could happen. However I'm quite happy to claim it won't and when I go to open the door it doesn't play a part in my decision to go out. For me the covid vaccine being a long term problem falls into the same category - it might have an unknown long term effect but to all intent and purpose I'm happy to put it in the won't happen category. I choose to make my decisions based on what is known rather than worry about things that might happen in theory for which there is no evidence to support whether they will actually happen in practice, In your terms I might be being "speculative" but if I lived my life worrying about things with a tiny chance of happening I'd be paralysed by fear and hiding from lions.
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Post by musik on Jun 21, 2021 10:53:06 GMT
Now this thread has been removed from the main board I'm sure it will become a case of 'out of sight out of mind' for many. It will no doubt carry on so good luck, stay civil and remember we do all want the same thing 🙂 I'll check back in 2027 to see if I can leave the house. 👍 When this thread was rife with doom-mongers and scare tactics, I suggested it be moved, but was shot down with a vengeance. Now that the sentiment is changing it is dropped. Must be a conspiracy theory in there somewhere. Hopefully, it's only optimism and the end of Covid-19 we see here.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 10:57:39 GMT
If you go the Government's own website on Yellow Card reporting, they expect side effects in more than 1 in 10, some are listed here with a list of reported side effects. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#yellow-card-reports'As with any vaccine, the COVID-19 vaccines will cause side effects in some people. The total number and the nature of Yellow Cards reported so far is not unusual for a new vaccine for which members of the public and healthcare professionals are encouraged to report any suspected adverse reaction. As highlighted above, it is known from the clinical trials that the most common side effects for both vaccines can occur at a rate of more than one per 10 doses' But this is speculative, no-one really knows the long term effects on an untested vaccination, it is simply not possible. If someone states it is totally safe it can only be an opinion at this stage. Has anyone either on this message board or elsewhere claimed the covid vaccines are totally safe? It's all about relative risk. There have been and there will be a small number of deaths directly related to the vaccines but the numbers will never outweigh the number of people who would have died of covid and the evidence to date support the view that this will remain the case. The claim that the covid vaccines are "untested" is simply untrue - they have been subjected to the same level of rigorous testing as any vaccine or medicine at the point they were approved for use. The testing sample during trials can never fully represent an entire population and issues will occur during a vaccine rollout because the only way of testing every individuals reaction to the vaccine would involve giving it to every individual - which isn't a test, it's a rollout. By this standard no vaccine or medicine would ever be released because someone somewhere might have an adverse reaction. As your quotes demonstrate during the rollout phase the effects of the vaccine continue to be rigorously monitored and if the risks get anywhere near the benefits the vaccines will be withdrawn. The results to date after millions of people have been vaccinated indicate that the benefits massively outweigh the risks. The suspicion that the covid vaccines might suddenly cause serious illness and death months and years after being administered is just a vague fear - there is no evidence to support this while there is plenty of evidence to support the view that the vaccines are far safer than covid. The mechanisms by which the vaccines might cause long term issues are either pseudo science or science fiction: 1 The vaccines alter your genes. If they did this they might have a long term effect but the vaccines do not alter your genes. 2 Exposure to the spike protein in the vaccines might cause an adverse effect. True - but the spike proteins are metabolised and disappear from you body quickly and if the spike protein is a problem you'd get that if exposed to the covid virus anyway. 3 The vaccines contain microchips. Yes, well... 4 I've no idea of how the covid vaccine might affect me years down the line but it might. I ate my first peanut when I was about 12 but I stopped worrying about going into anaphylactic shock sometime ago and if I suddenly had one pinning it down to that peanut would ridiculous. There is a zoo about 15 miles up the road and a lion might escape and wander down my street looking for it's next meal. This could happen. However I'm quite happy to claim it won't and when I go to open the door it doesn't play a part in my decision to go out. For me the covid vaccine being a long term problem falls into the same category - it might have an unknown long term effect but to all intent and purpose I'm happy to put it in the won't happen category. I choose to make my decisions based on what is known rather than worry about things that might happen in theory for which there is no evidence to support whether they will actually happen in practice, In your terms I might be being "speculative" but if I lived my life worrying about things with a tiny chance of happening I'd be paralysed by fear and hiding from lions. You sound like you have stock in the big pharma companies! The vaccines have NOT had the same level of testing. They were developed in 6 months where “scientists” were expecting them to take 3-5 years to develop. The vaccines have NOT been approved for general use, but have a special emergency use only approval There is ZERO evidence that the vaccines are safe long-term, this is just a vague hope. Blood clots were NOT a known complication and the public were NOT informed of the risk until after they started happening. The vaccines “tell” your body to make spike proteins. No one knows if the body will stop making them on it’s own. Spike proteins are known to cause complications. The chance of a lion escaping from a zoo can be calculated - no one can calculate the risk of long-term effects from the vaccines, because they haven’t got a clue what they might be. I asked you 2 simple questions in a previous discussion between the two of us, and the lack of answer speaks volumes. I am not a conveniently labeled anti-vaxxer; if anyone can tell me what the long term risks are of having the vaccine, I can weigh up the risks and benefits and make an informed decision. BUT there is no way on earth I’m going to allow someone to inject me with something simply because some proven liar tells me to.
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Post by Davef on Jun 21, 2021 11:07:13 GMT
Now this thread has been removed from the main board I'm sure it will become a case of 'out of sight out of mind' for many. It will no doubt carry on so good luck, stay civil and remember we do all want the same thing 🙂 I'll check back in 2027 to see if I can leave the house. 👍 When this thread was rife with doom-mongers and scare tactics, I suggested it be moved, but was shot down with a vengeance. Now that the sentiment is changing it is dropped. Must be a conspiracy theory in there somewhere. It hasn't been moved. The thread was just "announced" so it appeared at the top of every board. The announcement was always due to be removed on June 21st and nothing in the data steered us away from our roadmap. 😊
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2021 11:13:42 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2021 11:29:34 GMT
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 11:41:15 GMT
When this thread was rife with doom-mongers and scare tactics, I suggested it be moved, but was shot down with a vengeance. Now that the sentiment is changing it is dropped. Must be a conspiracy theory in there somewhere. It hasn't been moved. The thread was just "announced" so it appeared at the top of every board. The announcement was always due to be removed on June 21st and nothing in the data steered us away from our roadmap. 😊 Just ribbing you. Are you sure that the Oatcake has not been infiltrated?
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 11:54:28 GMT
I'm not sure what benefit there is to it but I've wondered for a while if all these measures will be implemented for other flu like illnesses that overwhelm the NHS annually. Now the government know the nation are largely compliant with measures that make little sense, what will they try to impose on us in the future and to what objective? In the wise words of a Mr Reece-Mogg "we should not control society to help the NHS, the NHS is here to help society" If even a quarter of the money spent on Covid had been dedicated to beefing up the NHS, the UK would be in a much better position.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 11:58:24 GMT
Something to look forward to... An emergence of new respiratory viruses means a 'pretty miserable winter' is ahead for the UK with further lockdowns a possibility, scientists have warned.
Professor Calum Semple, member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), which advises the Government, has said that children and elderly people will be vulnerable to endemic viruses at the end of the year.
Another health expert and Government advisor warned that there may be the need for winter lockdowns if hospitals become 'overwhelmed' at some point.
On Sunday morning, Professor Semple told Times Radio: 'I suspect we'll have a pretty miserable winter because the other respiratory viruses are going to come back and bite us quite hard. But after that, I think we'll be seeing business as normal next year.
'There's a sting in the tail after every pandemic, because social distancing will have reduced exposure, particularly of pregnant women and their newborn babies, they will have not been exposed to the usual endemic respiratory viruses.
'The protection that a pregnant woman would give to their unborn child has not occurred.
'So we are going to see a rise in a disease called bronchiolitis, and a rise in community acquired pneumonia in children and in the frail elderly, to the other respiratory viruses for which we don't have vaccines.
'So that's why we're predicting a rough July, August and then a rough winter period.'Oops! Who knew? Ridiculous actions/rules have consequences! And they haven’t even started to realize the socio-economic consequences. Looking at that last sentence, you just know that big pharma is going to be pushing to get funding to develop these new vaccines and then force everyone to get vaccinated with them also.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 21, 2021 12:05:10 GMT
Happy Freedom Day eve everybody 🥳 Even the 'freedom hesitant' will be joining us. Over here in the US, they have changed the definition of “Face Mask” Face mask: The liberal equivalent of a MAGA hat. Worn to self identify as a Biden/Fauchi supporter.
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