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Post by OldStokie on Mar 24, 2020 10:16:05 GMT
Felonious has provided a link above, but Sports Direct has now been ordered to close.
Why aren't computer and electrical shops exempt? I would have thought all electrical items, including phones and laptops should be a top priority now we're all relying on them for communication. Phones etc still break and need repairing/replacing asap. Seems common sense to me.
OS.
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Post by Davef on Mar 24, 2020 10:20:27 GMT
I see Tim Martin proving what a complete and utter wanker he is again Or as most of us know it, Tuesday. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2020 10:20:44 GMT
There's many, many diy jobs that are a piece of piss with the help of a YouTube search, no special skills required for 95% of them. You're over estimating the intelligence of most on here. Haha, I doubt on here is much different from the general public mate. I reckon most people could do a lot more than they first thought, two problems usually in my opinion - fear of fucking it up and a lack of tools  It's usually cheaper to buy the tools than it is to pay somebody to do the job and if it's fucked anyway it doesn't matter much what you do to it  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 10:36:16 GMT
Because that is what the prime minister instructed you to do. If an unscrupulous, selfish boss demands you break that instruction then report them to the police who have the powers to force them to close and stay at home. It really isn’t difficult. You obviously don't live or work in the real world. It is very difficult. Not everyone works in the retail or service sector. People in engineering and manufacturing and construction. Report your boss to the police?? Yeh... right. Of course it is difficult. Perhaps it is actually impossible for someone else to make blanket unchallengeable decisions for others that makes clear all circumstances.....knowing what you know...what advice would you give? Likewise....is a prearranged MOT test essential?....what if the vehicle belongs to a key worker, What if a dangerous car causes a fatal accident? What if the virus is somehow passed on through joint use of the steering wheel ( which could have been cleaned)? I don't think that the government CAN make each individual decision for us and it is easy to say that the guidance isn't clear....perhaps it's as clear as it can be ...until ( if we do) we get to the stage of martial law....and then many will not be happy for other reasons. |
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Post by stroller on Mar 24, 2020 10:37:43 GMT
Luckily I am drinking tsingdao beer!  Unluckily nearly everyone has face masks on including and especially the pretty girls!  How do you know they're pretty under the face mask? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 24, 2020 10:39:00 GMT
Guys I keep saying the following hope that it might help you with planning ahead. We have to follow how other countries are doing things as in general it will all be the same. 3 weeks ago Italy was in the same spot. Lockdown announced and I was lamenting the contradiction: stay at home. But go to work. It became clear the following day that was the generic approach. Businesses across the country in all sectors will have been contacted and today the majority will work on organising how to continue business the best way in time for the eventual full lockdown. Working from home or percentage payment, whatever it takes, but it will take a few days. It was never going to be Monday work as normal, announcement Monday night and then Tuesday don't go in. No businesses can't work that way. By Thursday the situation will be very different to right now so just follow the instructions as best you can. One thing which will become very obvious is in a week's time, many people's opinion will be changed by the amount of infected and deaths and this goes for employers as well. Some sectors are still expected to work in Italy and are even striking today for it. No one wants to work in this situation whilst still at risk. The voice of reason and common sense from what appears to be a Hell on Earth. There are a few on here need to read that and then have a bit of a look at themselves. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 24, 2020 10:46:04 GMT
Because that is what the prime minister instructed you to do. If an unscrupulous, selfish boss demands you break that instruction then report them to the police who have the powers to force them to close and stay at home. It really isn’t difficult. He literally said go to work if you can't do it from home. The guidance is clear. STAY AT HOME. Sorry to shout. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 24, 2020 10:46:25 GMT
To defend those still operating, I guess it is difficult/impossible to initiate a shutdown overnight. Most of our staff are working from home but there are 3 or 4 in the office and a couple in the warehouse. When they turned up this morning the container they were expecting arrived, so the transport side of that are still working for now. If we hadn’t turned up we’re talking potentially thousands in terms of cost. Then we have had some customers saying they are closing at the end of play today and others, some in food production, still operating as usual and expecting to be serviced if required. I guess there will be a message going to head office telling them what’s going on and they’ll make a decision from there.
The problem as far as I can tell is that if they apply the 80% furloughing of staff, you can’t work during that period, unless I have that wrong? Either way, it was as clear as mud last night.
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 24, 2020 10:54:22 GMT
So frustrating. Shut the tube down, and utilise black cab drivers to fetch and carry NHS workers to and from their place of work. Never cope with the volume in a million years. There must be just as many supermarket workers needing to get to work too and those that supply the supermarkets and the NHS. They should have left the tube timetable and stations as was I think. My eldest grandchild is in Cardiff studying for her Masters. She also works at Tesco's part time to subsidise her finances. She's now struggling to get there and it will take an hour and a half to walk if there's no public transport. She says she may have to use Uber but no doubt they'll up their charges, making it uneconomical to go to work. (She doesn't drive and she hasn't got a bike.) Other grandchild news. My youngest is a top class juniors Long-jumper, having been S-o-T and Staffs Schools champion for the last three years and also winning the 10 Counties Mason's Trophy at Birmingham. He represented Staffs in year 1 Under-17's at the Nationals last year and did well. He also made the UK Under-17's finals representing S-o-T Athletic Club last season. This year he's moved up to Year 2 and was hoping to maybe get a podium place in both those events. That's all gone now. He'll have to try and pick up next season when he competes in the Under-20's. He's also a good rugby player and had got a scholarship lined up with Wigan Warriors for next season, but for that he'd have to progress through the academy this summer. That's gone too now. So, in the greater scheme of things, providing he's healthy, it doesn't matter, but these are the day to day things that will affect him and many more youngsters like him, and they can never be undone. Anyway, keep safe guys. OS. |
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2020 10:54:46 GMT
We have just had a bloke walking up our street posting advertising leaflets for takeaways, utter madness!!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 24, 2020 10:54:46 GMT
I see a local and well known debt collection agency is still open. Imagine how morally compromised you’ve got to be to keep that operating with what’s going on at the minute. Essential indeed, eh. Unreal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 10:54:50 GMT
He literally said go to work if you can't do it from home. The guidance is clear. STAY AT HOME. Sorry to shout. Apart from if you can't work home. Fancy a walk. Need to go B and Q for some paint. Etc. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 10:56:00 GMT
We have just had a bloke walking up our street posting advertising leaflets for takeaways, utter madness!! Takeaways are still open..... |
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 24, 2020 10:56:14 GMT
Whilst nobody wants the stress of loosing their job I would think that if an employer is being unreasonable in the difficult times they would not have a leg to stand on in a unfair dismissal claim. ?
I heard this morning that the vast majority of Sports Direct employees are on Zero Hrs contracts to further complicate the debate. Don’t know if this is true.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2020 10:57:38 GMT
We have just had a bloke walking up our street posting advertising leaflets for takeaways, utter madness!! Takeaways are still open..... They certainly don't need to be pushing stuff through my door. |
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2020 10:59:23 GMT
Whilst nobody wants the stress of loosing their job I would think that if an employer is being unreasonable in the difficult times they would not have a leg to stand on in a unfair dismissal claim. ? I heard this morning that the vast majority of Sports Direct employees are on Zero Hrs contracts to further complicate the debate. Don’t know if this is true. It is, people should note these sort of things and punish companies after the event. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 10:59:50 GMT
Takeaways are still open..... They certainly don't need to be pushing stuff through my door. Literally nothing stopping them though as they'll see it as essential. Totally agree with you though. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 24, 2020 11:02:20 GMT
I don't do DIY so I'm struggling to think of a necessity apart from light bulbs. Presumably virtually every tradesman has an account with B&Q and the likes therefore there must be every sort of part for the electricians, plumbers, etc. There will be many members of the general public able to do some of these jobs. There's many, many diy jobs that are a piece of piss with the help of a YouTube search, no special skills required for 95% of them. There are many, many men out there who haven't got a clue about DIY, I see one of them every day in the mirror  |
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Post by Gods on Mar 24, 2020 11:04:09 GMT
You obviously don't live or work in the real world. It is very difficult. Not everyone works in the retail or service sector. People in engineering and manufacturing and construction. Report your boss to the police?? Yeh... right. Of course it is difficult. Perhaps it is actually impossible for someone else to make blanket unchallengeable decisions for others that makes clear all circumstances.....knowing what you know...what advice would you give? Likewise....is a prearranged MOT test essential?....what if the vehicle belongs to a key worker, What if a dangerous car causes a fatal accident? What if the virus is somehow passed on through joint use of the steering wheel ( which could have been cleaned)? I don't think that the government CAN make each individual decision for us and it is easy to say that the guidance isn't clear....perhaps it's as clear as it can be ...until ( if we do) we get to the stage of martial law....and then many will not be happy for other reasons. I do agree, instruction given to 66 million people is necessarily broad brush by it's nature. It won't come with like the rest of our laws with learned volumes of test cases written by lawyers who can't even agree on the interpretation of legislation from the 1700's. So all you can do is dish it out and then dance around on your feet to try to handle any issues at the margins. Even then it will need a healthy slice of good faith to go with it. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 24, 2020 11:07:11 GMT
Well the good news is I managed to get a haircut in yesterday slightly shorter than usual because I factored in that it might be the last one for a while. Who knows it may well be my last haircut.  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 11:10:55 GMT
Of course it is difficult. Perhaps it is actually impossible for someone else to make blanket unchallengeable decisions for others that makes clear all circumstances.....knowing what you know...what advice would you give? Likewise....is a prearranged MOT test essential?....what if the vehicle belongs to a key worker, What if a dangerous car causes a fatal accident? What if the virus is somehow passed on through joint use of the steering wheel ( which could have been cleaned)? I don't think that the government CAN make each individual decision for us and it is easy to say that the guidance isn't clear....perhaps it's as clear as it can be ...until ( if we do) we get to the stage of martial law....and then many will not be happy for other reasons. I do agree, instruction given to 66 million people is necessarily broad brush by it's nature. It won't come with like the rest of our laws with learned volumes of test cases written by lawyers who can't even agree on the interpretation of legislation from the 1700's. So all you can do is dish it out and then dance around on your feet to try to handle any issues at the margins. Even then it will need a healthy slice of good faith to go with it. I think that you've put it much better and more succinctly than me Gods. We are in unchartered territory as far as rules, social conventions and work practices are concerned. The people who should be at the forefront of our decision making are the frontline health workers...the true heroes in all this....most do what they are good at in my experience....just " getting on with it"...without moaning. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 11:13:08 GMT
I do agree, instruction given to 66 million people is necessarily broad brush by it's nature. It won't come with like the rest of our laws with learned volumes of test cases written by lawyers who can't even agree on the interpretation of legislation from the 1700's. So all you can do is dish it out and then dance around on your feet to try to handle any issues at the margins. Even then it will need a healthy slice of good faith to go with it. I think that you've put it much better and more succinctly than me Gods. We are in unchartered territory as far as rules, social conventions and work practices are concerned. The people who should be at the forefront of our decision making are the frontline health workers...the true heroes in all this....most do what they are good at in my experience....just " getting on with it"...without moaning. They have been moaning though. About PPE |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 24, 2020 11:13:53 GMT
They certainly don't need to be pushing stuff through my door. Literally nothing stopping them though as they'll see it as essential. Totally agree with you though. But that isn't the point though is it. You're just being contrary. For a change. A stranger who may be infected with Coronavirus is walking from door to door pushing glossy leaflets which may be infected with the disease through letterboxes which then spreads the disease to every householder he visits. Yes you are correct he does have every right to do it but it doesn't make it RIGHT. In the present circumstances it is morally indefensible and I'd ram it right down his fucking throat. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 11:15:50 GMT
The usual suspects aren’t in that situation, so it’s easy for them to just keep parroting the line “stay at home” Because that is what the prime minister instructed you to do. If an unscrupulous, selfish boss demands you break that instruction then report them to the police who have the powers to force them to close and stay at home. It really isn’t difficult. It isn’t difficult for you as you’re clearly not in that situation. If you think it isn’t difficult for someone self employed to decide between leaving the house and working or putting food on the table, or someone being told to still go to work even if their “key worker” status is debatable you’re being naive...... |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 24, 2020 11:15:54 GMT
I see a local and well known debt collection agency is still open. Imagine how morally compromised you’ve got to be to keep that operating with what’s going on at the minute. Essential indeed, eh. Unreal. Scum of the earth, just like the t.v license men they only prey on the vulnerable. I haven't had a t.v license for years and sent the last one packing, they have not knocked on since |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 11:16:55 GMT
Literally nothing stopping them though as they'll see it as essential. Totally agree with you though. But that isn't the point though is it. You're just being contrary. For a change. A stranger who may be infected with Coronavirus is walking from door to door pushing glossy leaflets which may be infected with the disease through letterboxes which then spreads the disease to every householder he visits. Yes you are correct he does have every right to do it but it doesn't make it RIGHT. In the present circumstances it is morally indefensible and I'd ram it right down his fucking throat. It is though because the government messaging is so bloody ambiguous and open to all sorts of interpretation. It shouldn't be. I absolutely agree with everything you've wrote but they should be legally not allowed to do it but that just isn't the case as far as I can see. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 11:18:00 GMT
He literally said go to work if you can't do it from home. The guidance is clear. STAY AT HOME. Sorry to shout. Keep repeating it march, it doesn’t change the ambiguity..... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 11:18:07 GMT
I think that you've put it much better and more succinctly than me Gods. We are in unchartered territory as far as rules, social conventions and work practices are concerned. The people who should be at the forefront of our decision making are the frontline health workers...the true heroes in all this....most do what they are good at in my experience....just " getting on with it"...without moaning. They have been moaning though. About PPE I'd call that genuine concerns. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 11:20:50 GMT
They have been moaning though. About PPE I'd call that genuine concerns. Me too. But then I think worrying about your job, family etc (like most people are) are genuine concerns too. The government have a hand to play in all of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 11:21:54 GMT
Never cope with the volume in a million years. There must be just as many supermarket workers needing to get to work too and those that supply the supermarkets and the NHS. They should have left the tube timetable and stations as was I think. My eldest grandchild is in Cardiff studying for her Masters. She also works at Tesco's part time to subsidise her finances. She's now struggling to get there and it will take an hour and a half to walk if there's no public transport. She says she may have to use Uber but no doubt they'll up their charges, making it uneconomical to go to work. (She doesn't drive and she hasn't got a bike.) Other grandchild news. My youngest is a top class juniors Long-jumper, having been S-o-T and Staffs Schools champion for the last three years and also winning the 10 Counties Mason's Trophy at Birmingham. He represented Staffs in year 1 Under-17's at the Nationals last year and did well. He also made the UK Under-17's finals representing S-o-T Athletic Club last season. This year he's moved up to Year 2 and was hoping to maybe get a podium place in both those events. That's all gone now. He'll have to try and pick up next season when he competes in the Under-20's. He's also a good rugby player and had got a scholarship lined up with Wigan Warriors for next season, but for that he'd have to progress through the academy this summer. That's gone too now. So, in the greater scheme of things, providing he's healthy, it doesn't matter, but these are the day to day things that will affect him and many more youngsters like him, and they can never be undone. Anyway, keep safe guys. OS. I’m sure if she put out a call out on social media someone would loan her a bike for a few weeks fella, beats being stung by Uber charges and safer anyway from a social distancing perspective.... |
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