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Post by Pedropotter on Mar 24, 2020 7:49:10 GMT
The communication worked..... So frustrating. Shut the tube down, and utilise black cab drivers to fetch and carry NHS workers to and from their place of work. Great idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 7:49:36 GMT
It's frightening isn't it.... we've gone from What's in a word to What's in a tweet. Intelligence and common sense can sometimes be uneasy bedfellows. For all those saying it's common sense, a quick yes/no answer. If a person has a shift starting at Sports Direct at 09:00, is it common sense to stay at home and resign from their job? The usual suspects aren’t in that situation, so it’s easy for them to just keep parroting the line “stay at home” |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 7:51:56 GMT
The communication worked..... So frustrating. Shut the tube down, and utilise black cab drivers to fetch and carry NHS workers to and from their place of work. Bit racist but not a bad idea. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2020 7:57:09 GMT
I think so. I don’t see how it can be anything else unless we just accept hundreds of thousands dying in the hope that the sacrifice was worth it? Despite all the criticism from us on here, I've heard plenty of people back home talking about it all being an overreaction. I bet a lot of them will be screaming in 3-4 weeks about how we didn't do enough to save their grandparents. It is tough for leaders right now, there are too many people who refuse to look at and believe Lombardy, or now Spain. The attitudes of some folk towards this crisis has been nothing short of shameful, you can see earlier on this thread people taking the piss cos an epidemic like this didn't suit their own agenda. Some people just don't give a flying fuck about anyone else, never have and never will. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 7:58:50 GMT
It's frightening isn't it.... we've gone from What's in a word to What's in a tweet. Intelligence and common sense can sometimes be uneasy bedfellows. For all those saying it's common sense, a quick yes/no answer. If a person has a shift starting at Sports Direct at 09:00, is it common sense to stay at home and resign from their job? RIP, I think the bit that is " common sense" is that there is no way that sports direct should be open. The workers in that shop are not key workers and the journey to the shop by workers and customers is not essential by any measure( even the measure" I need to go to work to get paid and to stay in a job"). In this respect the advice I believe is clear. Unfortunately any advice cannot take into account those who choose not to act upon it, those acting against common sense....so indeed Sports Direct should be closed, Mike Ashley has made a stupid disgraceful, clearly wrong decision putting the person you cite into an impossible situation as you say. My son is in a similar situation and I've advised him not to go in and he intends not to.... The government needs to get their policies re 80% pay in operation asap so that people like Ashley has not hot an excuse....and the emergency laws should extend to arresting someone like him or enforcing the decision upon him. For me I apply " essential " to journeys and " key" to jobs/ workers. In a way the tube travel is more disturbing....how in a place like London are people expected to go to work ...the government have not thought it through in my opinion...close the Tube down, taxis only for key workers or those who can PROVE( somehow) that their journey is essential. |
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Post by RF10 on Mar 24, 2020 8:00:23 GMT
The more you hear the less you know. No clear and decisive message. I'm going in work at 9.00am unless I'm told otherwise due to the confusion. Fully expect my company to have things being put in place to work from home.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 24, 2020 8:01:08 GMT
For all those saying it's common sense, a quick yes/no answer. If a person has a shift starting at Sports Direct at 09:00, is it common sense to stay at home and resign from their job? It’s an impossible one mate. I’d personally stay at home a claim to be ill. Exactly. In not forcing these places to close they have yet again pushed the responsibility onto the individual, putting people in impossible situations. A lack of balls and leadership. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 8:02:41 GMT
Gove is on radio 4 within the next 20 minutes " clarifying " the government advice. I don't always particularly always like the bloke..but he likes to portray himself as clear and decisive with his short ,sharp, truncated sentences, one word answers, so perhaps some things may become clearer
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 24, 2020 8:05:01 GMT
For all those saying it's common sense, a quick yes/no answer. If a person has a shift starting at Sports Direct at 09:00, is it common sense to stay at home and resign from their job? RIP, I think the bit that is " common sense" is that there is no way that sports direct should be open. The workers in that shop are not key workers and the journey to the shop by workers and customers is not essential by any measure( even the measure" I need to go to work to get paid and to stay in a job"). In this respect the advice I believe is clear. Unfortunately any advice cannot take into account those who choose not to act upon it, those acting against common sense....so indeed Sports Direct should be closed, Mike Ashley has made a stupid disgraceful, clearly wrong decision putting the person you cite into an impossible situation as you say. My son is in a similar situation and I've advised him not to go in and he intends not to.... The government needs to get their policies re 80% pay in operation asap so that people like Ashley has not hot an excuse....and the emergency laws should extend to arresting someone like him or enforcing the decision upon him. For me I apply " essential " to journeys and " key" to jobs/ workers. In a way the tube travel is more disturbing....how in a place like London are people expected to go to work ...the government have not thought it through in my opinion...close the Tube down, taxis only for key workers or those who can PROVE( somehow) that their journey is essential. There's a pretty common sense way of dealing with it isn't there - by enforcing that shops like Sports Direct cannot open. It's yet another decision that is no decision at all. Hope it works out OK for your son. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 8:06:06 GMT
If it does not exist perhaps the government has a responsibility to keep a detailed updated online list of shops/ sectors that MUST close...and publicise it...ie
Newsagents
Hairdressers etc.
( Sports Direct is now closing
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 24, 2020 8:06:18 GMT
Gove is on radio 4 within the next 20 minutes " clarifying " the government advice. I don't always particularly always like the bloke..but he likes to portray himself as clear and decisive with his short ,sharp, truncated sentences, one word answers, so perhaps some things may become clearer Not always... |
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 24, 2020 8:07:13 GMT
Waking up to seeing Sports Direct staying open makes a mockery of the whole thing. I'm under the key worker label being a gas engineer but when my boss is booking none essential jobs just so he can justify staying open it's a joke. I dont mind if these breakdown leaving no heating/hot water but come on. Been too 2 elderly ladies houses and 2 large care homes in 2 days for work that isn't life or death or an emergency. Depressing to think I'm probably going get it at some point. Hope years of smoking and ignoring the drs doesn't bite me on the arse Still nothing for the self employed though! I’m a self employed kitchen fitter and if they offered something better than SSP I’d happily stay at home, luckily I’m working in an empty house on my own at the moment. Straight there straight back. And yes Mike Ashley wants arresting! There was something in the house of commons bill last night for self employed, I@ll see if I can find it. |
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 24, 2020 8:08:50 GMT
Here
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 24, 2020 8:10:29 GMT
There are some interesting jobs that sit in a sort of grey area for how key they are.
For example, would you say that a domestic small animal (i.e. dogs, cats etc rather than cows, pigs etc) veterinarian, who most certainly can'twork from home, is a key worker?
Will all building work now stop?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 8:11:18 GMT
Personally, I'd guess that someone in government has leaned on Ashley
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Post by Gods on Mar 24, 2020 8:11:51 GMT
The communication worked..... So frustrating. Shut the tube down, and utilise black cab drivers to fetch and carry NHS workers to and from their place of work. Never cope with the volume in a million years. There must be just as many supermarket workers needing to get to work too and those that supply the supermarkets and the NHS. They should have left the tube timetable and stations as was I think. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2020 8:13:06 GMT
What hope have we got🙄
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 24, 2020 8:13:19 GMT
Personally, I'd guess that someone in government has leaned on Ashley As climbdowns go that was pretty rapid. |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Mar 24, 2020 8:16:12 GMT
Our company supplies b&q and wickes and they're open because it's essential for those who need a new cooker/plumbing supplies etc...
So we stay open cause they do.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 24, 2020 8:16:48 GMT
What a talented guy Walker must be, getting that in while still broadcasting, bet he couldn't help himself. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 24, 2020 8:17:47 GMT
For all those saying it's common sense, a quick yes/no answer. If a person has a shift starting at Sports Direct at 09:00, is it common sense to stay at home and resign from their job? RIP, I think the bit that is " common sense" is that there is no way that sports direct should be open. The workers in that shop are not key workers and the journey to the shop by workers and customers is not essential by any measure( even the measure" I need to go to work to get paid and to stay in a job"). In this respect the advice I believe is clear. Unfortunately any advice cannot take into account those who choose not to act upon it, those acting against common sense....so indeed Sports Direct should be closed, Mike Ashley has made a stupid disgraceful, clearly wrong decision putting the person you cite into an impossible situation as you say. My son is in a similar situation and I've advised him not to go in and he intends not to.... The government needs to get their policies re 80% pay in operation asap so that people like Ashley has not hot an excuse....and the emergency laws should extend to arresting someone like him or enforcing the decision upon him. For me I apply " essential " to journeys and " key" to jobs/ workers. In a way the tube travel is more disturbing....how in a place like London are people expected to go to work ...the government have not thought it through in my opinion...close the Tube down, taxis only for key workers or those who can PROVE( somehow) that their journey is essential. Whilst I agree with you, unfortunately common sense does not apply to large swathes of the British public. And where some do have common sense, money takes priority. All the money in the world isn't going to bring someone back to life though. I guess the key issue for me in the message is the use of the word essential - they should have stuck with key worker if that's what they truly meant. If you're a key worker, you know you are. People who are self employed clearly need some reassurance that support is coming as well. You only need to see te picture of the tube this morning to understand the state some people live in now. For me, I think some of it is underpinned by fear that if I don't go to work I lose my job. I might get paid by the government bit what happens after and I don't have a job? Someone said earlier in the thread that anyone sacking someone for not coming in would get there arse handed to them in court - to go to an emploment tribunal in this country there would still likely be costs to the employee and they'd have to weigh up if the could afford it. The simple message is please stay at home. The hard message is going to have to come out soon and will involve the economy suffering. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 8:20:53 GMT
There are some interesting jobs that sit in a sort of grey area for how key they are. For example, would you say that a domestic small animal (i.e. dogs, cats etc rather than cows, pigs etc) veterinarian, who most certainly can'twork from home, is a key worker? Will all building work now stop? I think that is a good question. Perhaps( at the moment..... things could get worse) individuals have got to take responsibility and make individual genuine decisions and not try to "get around" the rules....so, in my opinion, people should STAY AT HOME,as the default position BUT if they feel they MUST go out...then the other rules....WASHING/DISTANCE have got to be applied. Perhaps we can't have advice that does cover every single situation...we have to make the best genuine possible individual decision that we can.....and I guess someone else will always have an opinion as to why the decision is wrong. In my opinion someone such as a vet should go to work but only attend to things THEY deem essential |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2020 8:25:43 GMT
RIP, I think the bit that is " common sense" is that there is no way that sports direct should be open. The workers in that shop are not key workers and the journey to the shop by workers and customers is not essential by any measure( even the measure" I need to go to work to get paid and to stay in a job"). In this respect the advice I believe is clear. Unfortunately any advice cannot take into account those who choose not to act upon it, those acting against common sense....so indeed Sports Direct should be closed, Mike Ashley has made a stupid disgraceful, clearly wrong decision putting the person you cite into an impossible situation as you say. My son is in a similar situation and I've advised him not to go in and he intends not to.... The government needs to get their policies re 80% pay in operation asap so that people like Ashley has not hot an excuse....and the emergency laws should extend to arresting someone like him or enforcing the decision upon him. For me I apply " essential " to journeys and " key" to jobs/ workers. In a way the tube travel is more disturbing....how in a place like London are people expected to go to work ...the government have not thought it through in my opinion...close the Tube down, taxis only for key workers or those who can PROVE( somehow) that their journey is essential. Whilst I agree with you, unfortunately common sense does not apply to large swathes of the British public. And where some do have common sense, money takes priority. All the money in the world isn't going to bring someone back to life though. I guess the key issue for me in the message is the use of the word essential - they should have stuck with key worker if that's what they truly meant. If you're a key worker, you know you are. People who are self employed clearly need some reassurance that support is coming as well. You only need to see te picture of the tube this morning to understand the state some people live in now. For me, I think some of it is underpinned by fear that if I don't go to work I lose my job. I might get paid by the government bit what happens after and I don't have a job? Someone said earlier in the thread that anyone sacking someone for not coming in would get there arse handed to them in court - to go to an emploment tribunal in this country there would still likely be costs to the employee and they'd have to weigh up if the could afford it. The simple message is please stay at home. The hard message is going to have to come out soon and will involve the economy suffering. Jermaine I'm agreeing with you...that's why I am saying that some people( Mike Aslet) do not follow what mist of us can rightly claim to be " common sense"...clearly he is not following common sense....there's little people can do , short of enforcement and punishment, if people don't follow common sense. As far as jobs go ,as I've said there should be an online specific detailed page listing as many possible scenarios as possible for those who can't decide. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 24, 2020 8:27:50 GMT
So frustrating. Shut the tube down, and utilise black cab drivers to fetch and carry NHS workers to and from their place of work. Never cope with the volume in a million years. There must be just as many supermarket workers needing to get to work too and those that supply the supermarkets and the NHS. They should have left the tube timetable and stations as was I think. Like they have done to a large extent with the normal rail network. Keeping it running for key workers. There were pics last night albeit not in London of virtually empty trains still running. |
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 24, 2020 8:34:05 GMT
Some friends of mine who live in Lincolnshire have rented a cottage just outside Aberdeen to be near their daughter and grandchildren.
Forty Eight hours after arriving and settling in they have been kicked out and told to leave Scotland and go home.
I can see some logic in this , BUT THESE REALLY ARE STRANGE TIMES.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 24, 2020 8:42:43 GMT
Our company supplies b&q and wickes and they're open because it's essential for those who need a new cooker/plumbing supplies etc... So we stay open cause they do. Is b&q definatly open? |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 24, 2020 8:42:58 GMT
RIP, I think the bit that is " common sense" is that there is no way that sports direct should be open. The workers in that shop are not key workers and the journey to the shop by workers and customers is not essential by any measure( even the measure" I need to go to work to get paid and to stay in a job"). In this respect the advice I believe is clear. Unfortunately any advice cannot take into account those who choose not to act upon it, those acting against common sense....so indeed Sports Direct should be closed, Mike Ashley has made a stupid disgraceful, clearly wrong decision putting the person you cite into an impossible situation as you say. My son is in a similar situation and I've advised him not to go in and he intends not to.... The government needs to get their policies re 80% pay in operation asap so that people like Ashley has not hot an excuse....and the emergency laws should extend to arresting someone like him or enforcing the decision upon him. For me I apply " essential " to journeys and " key" to jobs/ workers. In a way the tube travel is more disturbing....how in a place like London are people expected to go to work ...the government have not thought it through in my opinion...close the Tube down, taxis only for key workers or those who can PROVE( somehow) that their journey is essential. Whilst I agree with you, unfortunately common sense does not apply to large swathes of the British public. And where some do have common sense, money takes priority. All the money in the world isn't going to bring someone back to life though. I guess the key issue for me in the message is the use of the word essential - they should have stuck with key worker if that's what they truly meant. If you're a key worker, you know you are. People who are self employed clearly need some reassurance that support is coming as well. You only need to see te picture of the tube this morning to understand the state some people live in now. For me, I think some of it is underpinned by fear that if I don't go to work I lose my job. I might get paid by the government bit what happens after and I don't have a job? Someone said earlier in the thread that anyone sacking someone for not coming in would get there arse handed to them in court - to go to an emploment tribunal in this country there would still likely be costs to the employee and they'd have to weigh up if the could afford it. The simple message is please stay at home. The hard message is going to have to come out soon and will involve the economy suffering. The thing is a key worker or an essential worker can be literally anyone, Sharon in accounts is not a key worker but if she is the one that presses the button that starts off the process of paying the x hundred staff that work for the company then for that day or two she is important or a key worker. Think of it like this the entrance requirements to the bet 365 list a variety of objects you cant take into the ground including some weapons thats not an exhaustive list it doesnt say anything about anti tank missiles or machine guns but people can all figure out they dont want weapons to be taken into the ground. Here the main government advice is stay at home it gives you instances where you can leave the house but that doesnt mean they want you too. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 24, 2020 8:44:00 GMT
It's frightening isn't it.... we've gone from What's in a word to What's in a tweet. Intelligence and common sense can sometimes be uneasy bedfellows. For all those saying it's common sense, a quick yes/no answer. If a person has a shift starting at Sports Direct at 09:00, is it common sense to stay at home and resign from their job? As stated above by a sensible poster the decision was made, announced and then has to be digested,and implemented by the various companies, organisation, etc at the highest level of their organisations and then communicated down to employees and the general public. I believe that Sports Direct have clarified their position overnight. People are being asked impossible questions in a situation which is absolutely akin to the fog of war. There are no quick yes/no answers in a unprecedented crisis like this which no government has ever faced before and which must be horrendous to manage on every level with snipers around every corner. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 24, 2020 8:44:36 GMT
Some friends of mine who live in Lincolnshire have rented a cottage just outside Aberdeen to be near their daughter and grandchildren. Forty Eight hours after arriving and settling in they have been kicked out and told to leave Scotland and go home. I can see some logic in this , BUT THESE REALLY ARE STRANGE TIMES. Kicked out by the owners? I think we'll see more of this, the good citizens of Devon and Cornwall are already in revolt about townies moving in great numbers to their second homes potentially bringing with them a deadly contagion and taking 'their' hospital beds. I mean why wouldn't you go there if you could and why wouldn't you object if you lived there? Nothing but trouble ahead as far as the eye can see. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 24, 2020 8:44:57 GMT
It's frightening isn't it.... we've gone from What's in a word to What's in a tweet. Intelligence and common sense can sometimes be uneasy bedfellows. For all those saying it's common sense, a quick yes/no answer. If a person has a shift starting at Sports Direct at 09:00, is it common sense to stay at home and resign from their job? You dont need to resign from your job it has literally in the history of the world never been easier to throw a sickie no questions aaked for a week or two weeks.... |
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