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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 23, 2020 23:51:48 GMT
Not defending it but thinking about it, it’s a difficult one, the Italian government didn’t define “indispensable industries” either. It might have been better to start with a list of services/industries that should definitely shut, that or say only supermarkets and pharmacies but who produces the food, the medicines, the logistics for them, the back office support for them. It’s a bit of an conundrum Definitely It's like getting to page 238 on Pornhub, the conundrum of just not knowing what video to choose. Gonna be a load of people not showing up for work tomorrow and getting a right fucking bollocking because their employer expected them in, but they didn't know what to do. Try porzo 😉 |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 23, 2020 23:52:00 GMT
Not sure where they got it from but BBC has a list of shops that can stay open. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52011915Supermarkets and other food shops Pharmacies Petrol stations Newsagents Bicycle shops Home and hardware stores Laundrettes and dry cleaners Garages Pet shops Post Offices Banks "However, retailers will still be able to take online orders and deliver items to your home." Home and hardware stores? Really? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 23:52:38 GMT
True. But stay at home! 😂 it just shows what bollocks the messaging is. He needs to resign. Who? Mike Ashley?  I think stronger re that piece of shit tbh. Boris bless him. A man completely out of his depth. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 23:54:57 GMT
I'm still no clear what the end game is? I appreciate ministers are banned from even whispering the words 'herd immunity' but attempting to flatten the peak of the initial curve of the virus so it does not crash the NHS is simply playing for time. I don’t get why you don’t get it? That’s all we have. Herd immunity can’t be achieved without a vaccine or massive amounts of deaths. That was clear when it was announced. That was clear it was the wrong plan for that time. I’d go even stronger and hope that when we come out of this certain people in government end up in prison worn their sheer neglect. What’s hard to get? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 23:57:07 GMT
Well most of us don't exactly have loving memories of "Our Maggie", but could you see this shit show from the Govt happening under her leadership? Love her or hate her, there would at least have been a definite leadership.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Mar 23, 2020 23:57:29 GMT
I'm still no clear what the end game is? I appreciate ministers are banned from even whispering the words 'herd immunity' but attempting to flatten the peak of the initial curve of the virus so it does not crash the NHS is simply playing for time. Effective treatment or vaccination essentially. But it'll likely be a year or so until that happens. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 23:59:36 GMT
Not sure where they got it from but BBC has a list of shops that can stay open. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52011915Supermarkets and other food shops Pharmacies Petrol stations Newsagents Bicycle shops Home and hardware stores Laundrettes and dry cleaners Garages Pet shops Post Offices Banks "However, retailers will still be able to take online orders and deliver items to your home." Home and hardware stores? Really? B and Q could have thousands of deaths due to them. It’s like the walking dead in there at the best of times 🙁😂 |
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 24, 2020 0:00:03 GMT
Yes and then contradicted it with the work stuff. It was a fucking shambles. He never said it except for when he said it then glad we cleared that up. Its only a shambles if people arent able to think about it for themselves, stay at home too cryptic hey. The words ‘common’ and ‘sense’ are lost to many on here. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:02:04 GMT
He never said it except for when he said it then glad we cleared that up. Its only a shambles if people arent able to think about it for themselves, stay at home too cryptic hey. The words ‘common’ and ‘sense’ are lost to many on here. He literally contradicted himself. Further aided by his own press office and his own minister. Open your eyes ffs. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2020 0:03:27 GMT
No one is making any political capital out of this, just asking for more clarification as per the Plaid letter above. The Government's refusal to do so and the sneaky amending of the tweet indicate to me that the obfuscation is not as a result of incompetent messaging but a deliberate ploy.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 24, 2020 0:03:54 GMT
Home and hardware stores? Really? B and Q could have thousands of deaths due to them. It’s like the walking dead in there at the best of times 🙁😂 They were enforcing strict social distancing today. Does home and hardware include furniture? DFS closed completely tonight, even online, whilst bensons and dreams closed at 6pm today, before the announcement, but will continue online. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 24, 2020 0:05:11 GMT
I'm still no clear what the end game is? I appreciate ministers are banned from even whispering the words 'herd immunity' but attempting to flatten the peak of the initial curve of the virus so it does not crash the NHS is simply playing for time. I don’t get why you don’t get it? That’s all we have. Herd immunity can’t be achieved without a vaccine or massive amounts of deaths. That was clear when it was announced. That was clear it was the wrong plan for that time. I’d go even stronger and hope that when we come out of this certain people in government end up in prison worn their sheer neglect. What’s hard to get? So what is the end game? It can only be herd immunity or vaccine. Vaccine is 18 months to 2 years away. I think it remains herd immunity even if the words can no longer be spoken. Cocoon the vulnerable while letting the brakes off and on so as not to sink the NHS until enough of us healthy people have contracted the virus and started to build up an immunity. I mean what else can it be? It won't go away and unless we close all our borders for ever it will come straight back until an immunity has built up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:06:32 GMT
B and Q could have thousands of deaths due to them. It’s like the walking dead in there at the best of times 🙁😂 They were enforcing strict social distancing today. Does home and hardware include furniture? DFS closed completely tonight, even online, whilst bensons and dreams closed at 6pm today, before the announcement, but will continue online. Nah. Online I get but I wouldn’t want delivery blokes in my house delivering furniture and I wouldn’t be making such a big purchase with what’s going to come financially. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2020 0:07:36 GMT
The words ‘common’ and ‘sense’ are lost to many on here. He literally contradicted himself. Further aided by his own press office and his own minister. Open your eyes ffs. Defending the indefensible. He was banging on about being appalled by Political game playing earlier as well!  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 24, 2020 0:08:15 GMT
They were enforcing strict social distancing today. Does home and hardware include furniture? DFS closed completely tonight, even online, whilst bensons and dreams closed at 6pm today, before the announcement, but will continue online. Nah. Online I get but I wouldn’t want delivery blokes in my house delivering furniture and I wouldn’t be making such a big purchase with what’s going to come financially. Filling me with confidence for my future job prospects there. Thanks for nowt |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:08:28 GMT
I don’t get why you don’t get it? That’s all we have. Herd immunity can’t be achieved without a vaccine or massive amounts of deaths. That was clear when it was announced. That was clear it was the wrong plan for that time. I’d go even stronger and hope that when we come out of this certain people in government end up in prison worn their sheer neglect. What’s hard to get? So what is the end game? It can only be herd immunity or vaccine. Vaccine is 18 months to 2 years away. I think it remains herd immunity even if the words can no longer be spoken. Cocoon the vulnerable while letting the brakes off and on so as not to sink the NHS until enough of us healthy people have contracted the virus and started to build up an immunity. I mean what else can it be? It won't go away and unless we close all our borders for ever it will come straight back until an immunity has built up. I agree it’s an end game. But it should never have been the game now. The Times confirmed that it was a Cummings plan ie ideological. It’ll be interesting to see if he sues them...... I don’t think the world will be moving for another year tbh. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 24, 2020 0:09:14 GMT
The words ‘common’ and ‘sense’ are lost to many on here. He literally contradicted himself. Further aided by his own press office and his own minister. Open your eyes ffs. My eyes are open Bayern..... common sense tells ME to stay at home.... it really is that simple. If employers demand that workers go to work it shows to me they don’t value the employee and are asking them to risk not only their own lives but ALSO that of the employee. I’m sure we all agree that this situation is a true life game changer that hopefully we will NEVER see again and so surely common sense would prevail...? Surely you agree on this standpoint fella? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2020 0:09:42 GMT
He never said it except for when he said it then glad we cleared that up. Its only a shambles if people arent able to think about it for themselves, stay at home too cryptic hey. The words ‘common’ and ‘sense’ are lost to many on here. Eh? The official government advice, is telling people to go to work if they can't work from home. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:11:10 GMT
Nah. Online I get but I wouldn’t want delivery blokes in my house delivering furniture and I wouldn’t be making such a big purchase with what’s going to come financially. Filling me with confidence for my future job prospects there. Thanks for nowt Sorry! I think most of us could be fucked tbh. The financial packages do seem decent for now but how long can last? I hope it’s over sooner rather later and we can go again. But who knows? If we have any bollocks as a nation and we sure as shit don’t then we should use this to make it a better fairer country. But that won’t happen. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:12:17 GMT
He literally contradicted himself. Further aided by his own press office and his own minister. Open your eyes ffs. My eyes are open Bayern..... common sense tells ME to stay at home.... it really is that simple. If employers demand that workers go to work it shows to me they don’t value the employee and are asking them to risk not only their own lives but ALSO that of the employee. I’m sure we all agree that this situation is a true life game changer that hopefully we will NEVER see again and so surely common sense would prevail...? Surely you agree on this standpoint fella? And surely it is the responsibility of the government to stop that from happening right? And they haven’t done that..... |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2020 0:15:17 GMT
I'm still no clear what the end game is? I appreciate ministers are banned from even whispering the words 'herd immunity' but attempting to flatten the peak of the initial curve of the virus so it does not crash the NHS is simply playing for time. I don’t get why you don’t get it? That’s all we have. Herd immunity can’t be achieved without a vaccine or massive amounts of deaths. That was clear when it was announced. That was clear it was the wrong plan for that time. I’d go even stronger and hope that when we come out of this certain people in government end up in prison worn their sheer neglect. What’s hard to get? It's all a punt for a vaccine, isn't it? The absolute best case seems to be that we hammer this down over 1-2 months then get enough factories pumping out tests, masks, chemicals etc so that we can slowly let people back out, then do the S Korea model of chasing down every case for another year or two while we hope the lab nerds work it out for us!? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:17:12 GMT
I don’t get why you don’t get it? That’s all we have. Herd immunity can’t be achieved without a vaccine or massive amounts of deaths. That was clear when it was announced. That was clear it was the wrong plan for that time. I’d go even stronger and hope that when we come out of this certain people in government end up in prison worn their sheer neglect. What’s hard to get? It's all a punt for a vaccine, isn't it? The absolute best case seems to be that we hammer this down over 1-2 months then get enough factories pumping out tests, masks, chemicals etc so that we can slowly let people back out, then do the S Korea model of chasing down every case for another year or two while we hope the lab nerds work it out for us!? I think so. I don’t see how it can be anything else unless we just accept hundreds of thousands dying in the hope that the sacrifice was worth it? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2020 0:20:24 GMT
Boris looks like a proper leader next to Trump.
Sounds like he invited to state governors over to tell them to fend for themselves, and is barely using any of the wartime powers he's taken to actually do anything. "It’s going to be bad," Trump said. "We have a lot of people dying from the flu."
So now he's back to comparing it to the flu. Jesus fucking Christ, he's on course to kill hundreds of thousands and he must believe he can make more profit and get more power by sacrificing them.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 24, 2020 0:21:04 GMT
The words ‘common’ and ‘sense’ are lost to many on here. Eh? The official government advice, is telling people to go to work if they can't work from home. It’s advice your correct... which people can choose to follow or not. We’re going round in circles here with 2 different view points..... Mine is different to yours and if I was in the UK I would simply stay at home.... |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2020 0:22:12 GMT
It's all a punt for a vaccine, isn't it? The absolute best case seems to be that we hammer this down over 1-2 months then get enough factories pumping out tests, masks, chemicals etc so that we can slowly let people back out, then do the S Korea model of chasing down every case for another year or two while we hope the lab nerds work it out for us!? I think so. I don’t see how it can be anything else unless we just accept hundreds of thousands dying in the hope that the sacrifice was worth it? Despite all the criticism from us on here, I've heard plenty of people back home talking about it all being an overreaction. I bet a lot of them will be screaming in 3-4 weeks about how we didn't do enough to save their grandparents. It is tough for leaders right now, there are too many people who refuse to look at and believe Lombardy, or now Spain. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 0:23:27 GMT
The words ‘common’ and ‘sense’ are lost to many on here. Eh? The official government advice, is telling people to go to work if they can't work from home. That is right - how can that be advice from the Govt, that might help to control this virus?
People have been given options - that shouldn't be happening. By now people should be given rules and laws to live by. Police state, or Military rule, call it what you will, I think that we arrived at that stage a week ago (at least). We will restore democracy in due course .... I honestly think that despite our typical moaning ability as a nation, it is what a lot of Brits actually want.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2020 0:24:35 GMT
Eh? The official government advice, is telling people to go to work if they can't work from home. We’re going round in circles here with 2 different view points..... Mine is different to yours and if I was in the UK I would simply stay at home.... So what if somebody chooses not to follow the government advice to go to work and decides to stay at home and then their employer says "hey, why aren't you in work, the government are saying that you SHOULD be?" |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:26:10 GMT
I think so. I don’t see how it can be anything else unless we just accept hundreds of thousands dying in the hope that the sacrifice was worth it? Despite all the criticism from us on here, I've heard plenty of people back home talking about it all being an overreaction. I bet a lot of them will be screaming in 3-4 weeks about how we didn't do enough to save their grandparents. It is tough for leaders right now, there are too many people who refuse to look at and believe Lombardy, or now Spain. It most definitely is tough that’s why I think we should judge them now more than ever. At every turn this government has failed its people during this crisis. We need a leader and we got a bumbling buffoon who can’t get the message across. People are worried and need guidance and it isn’t there. No doubt it’ll be Corbyn’s fault. And I hate that bloke but people are still banging on about the hippy twat and giving the dickhead in charge free reign. Just weird. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2020 0:27:24 GMT
It’s advice your correct... which people can choose to follow or not.We’re going round in circles here with 2 different view points..... Mine is different to yours and if I was in the UK I would simply stay at home.... So what if somebody chooses not to follow the government advice to go to work and decides to stay at home and then their employer says "hey, why aren't you in work, the government are saying that you SHOULD be?" I got bollocked for taking a later train last week like the PM advised to....... Fact is I didn’t want to be in at all but that didn’t matter. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 24, 2020 0:30:33 GMT
It’s advice your correct... which people can choose to follow or not.We’re going round in circles here with 2 different view points..... Mine is different to yours and if I was in the UK I would simply stay at home.... So what if somebody chooses not to follow the government advice to go to work and decides to stay at home and then their employer says "hey, why aren't you in work, the government are saying that you SHOULD be?" As I said to Bayern,If employers demand that workers go to work it shows to me they don’t value the employee and are asking them to risk not only their own lives but ALSO that of the employee. If my employer said that to me I’d tell them to shove the job rayte up their fuckin arse.... I value my life |
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