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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 16:29:05 GMT
Look at supermarket shelves and Dutch Stokie's vile response to me. Are we fuck 'in it all together'. You brought it on yourself sheiky, and youve given out a LOT worse in the past so dont start your fuckin whining….. The global pandemic suggests we are in this altogether and it will only become better if everyone listens to the medical advice each country is reporting daily. As before, you love to have the last word so go for it..... Just stunned you haven't been banned for that unstable tirade to be honest. Keep away from sharp things. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 23, 2020 16:31:18 GMT
This virus is like a runaway train heading straight for us. We need to get everyone off the tracks quickly even by force if necessary. You have in the past been viewed as a Pulis obsessed old sod. But on this matter I agree wholeheartedly. I hope to resume the childish name calling soon.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 16:38:27 GMT
What are the associated costs of the highest grade PPE and what is the legislation surrounding our need for it?
I keep reading that people are slating the government for a lack of PPE, across all form of media, but it gets me wondering that how viable is it for a government of a country like ours to stockpile the highest grade PPE just incase we suffer wide scale destruction of a pandemic to the like that we've never seen before in our lifetime?
The fact we can't get hold of them at the rate we need them now, even though we're prepared to pay, smacks of a bigger issue to me.
One thing that needs to come out of this is the abandonment of the ridiculous notion that this country is a service providing country only, and not a manufacturing country. Something that was sadly set in stone many, many years ago.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 23, 2020 16:39:27 GMT
How can it be, it's a made up scenario that you created to deflect away from the original point. Of course it could be true. We don't know what the economy nor the health service would be like today following a few years of Corbyn's government. We don't know if he would or would not be more decisive than Boris in this situation. Nor whether he would make better or different decisions, following medical advice. It is easy to criticise those making the decisions ( that's the easy bit,) and some of the criticism may be valid but we don't know if the alternative would be any better. Nor do we know in reality what the next few days or months are going to be like for the UK and the rest of the world. Political point scoring is not helpful but if they insist on trying to pretend Corbyn would be decisive its worth mentioning that the far left haven't got much of a track record to crow about in times of crisis. Voted against conscription in 1939, voted for appeasement in the preceding years, allowed Russia to annex Poland in 1945, voted no confidence in Churchill in 41. I'm sure there's many other examples, basically if there is ever a tough decision to make you can rely on them to wring their hands and not make it. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 16:40:08 GMT
How can it be, it's a made up scenario that you created to deflect away from the original point. Personally, I'll base my judgement of the government on how they handle this event, from start to finish, and on facts. The state of our healthcare system of weeks ago won't play into it for me as I expect us to come out of this at least as well as our European neighbours. It's clear that we're more relaxed than most other countries but as of yet we haven't really suffered more as a result. It would therefore be unfair of me to criticise the current policy based purely on predictions of what the consequences 'might' be. If we hit an Italy type situation, having had a few weeks more to mitigate the risks and stop the spread of infection, then I think the government can be rightly criticised. We should not end up in the same dire situation as them. At the moment however, I don't think the stats really warrant the criticism. |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 23, 2020 16:40:52 GMT
 In plain english, this means they are going to sequence the viral genetics of as many cases as possible in the UK. This should give us an idea of how likely any mutation is, what treatments could be effective, developing a vaccine as a fluid event, rather than snapshots in time. Not my department at all, but people I know will be working on this. Mate. The stuff you post has been really useful..Thank You. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 16:43:21 GMT
What are the associated costs of the highest grade PPE and what is the legislation surrounding our need for it? I keep reading that people are slating the government for a lack of PPE, across all form of media, but it gets me wondering that how viable is it for a government of a country like ours to stockpile the highest grade PPE just incase we suffer wide scale destruction of a pandemic to the like that we've never seen before in our lifetime? The fact we can't get hold of them at the rate we need them now, even though we're prepared to pay, smacks of a bigger issue to me. One thing that needs to come out of this is the abandonment of the ridiculous notion that this country is a service providing country only, and not a manufacturing country. Something that was sadly set in stone many, many years ago. I agree entirely with this. It would be good, but is probably wishful thinking, that when/ if things return to a relative state of normality we should look at the nature of our economy, the meaning of work, the reality of the NHS and the division/ opportunities between rich and poor |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 16:44:18 GMT
You brought it on yourself sheiky, and youve given out a LOT worse in the past so dont start your fuckin whining….. The global pandemic suggests we are in this altogether and it will only become better if everyone listens to the medical advice each country is reporting daily. As before, you love to have the last word so go for it..... Just stunned you haven't been banned for that unstable tirade to be honest. Keep away from sharp things. It was the sheer instability and unnecessary ferocity of that tirade that made it amusing.  |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 23, 2020 16:44:45 GMT
In plain english, this means they are going to sequence the viral genetics of as many cases as possible in the UK. This should give us an idea of how likely any mutation is, what treatments could be effective, developing a vaccine as a fluid event, rather than snapshots in time. Not my department at all, but people I know will be working on this. Mate. The stuff you post has been really useful..Thank You. Happy to help mate! A lot of social media in science sadly doesn’t have followers outside of the field so the work being done can get lost in the noise. Happy it’s providing some reassurance 👍 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 16:48:28 GMT
What are the associated costs of the highest grade PPE and what is the legislation surrounding our need for it? I keep reading that people are slating the government for a lack of PPE, across all form of media, but it gets me wondering that how viable is it for a government of a country like ours to stockpile the highest grade PPE just incase we suffer wide scale destruction of a pandemic to the like that we've never seen before in our lifetime? The fact we can't get hold of them at the rate we need them now, even though we're prepared to pay, smacks of a bigger issue to me. One thing that needs to come out of this is the abandonment of the ridiculous notion that this country is a service providing country only, and not a manufacturing country. Something that was sadly set in stone many, many years ago. I agree totally and again like with my post about the Channel Tunnell it's something I think about. We're not self sufficient, we could be but we're not. I don't think we can be wholly self sufficient but it should be better than what it is. And you'd hope with Brexit that's what we'd aim to do. Of course the plans there are for a European Singapore so it won't happen. |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 23, 2020 16:56:23 GMT
What are the associated costs of the highest grade PPE and what is the legislation surrounding our need for it? I keep reading that people are slating the government for a lack of PPE, across all form of media, but it gets me wondering that how viable is it for a government of a country like ours to stockpile the highest grade PPE just incase we suffer wide scale destruction of a pandemic to the like that we've never seen before in our lifetime? The fact we can't get hold of them at the rate we need them now, even though we're prepared to pay, smacks of a bigger issue to me. One thing that needs to come out of this is the abandonment of the ridiculous notion that this country is a service providing country only, and not a manufacturing country. Something that was sadly set in stone many, many years ago. I agree totally and again like with my post about the Channel Tunnell it's something I think about. We're not self sufficient, we could be but we're not. I don't think we can be wholly self sufficient but it should be better than what it is. And you'd hope with Brexit that's what we'd aim to do. Of course the plans there are for a European Singapore so it won't happen. With cheap labour instead of Opium .(the Singapore Grip.) |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 16:59:12 GMT
I don't know Paul. Perhaps it should be..... but it does seem to me that almost everyone will be waiting for ( tonight's) the daily update......I think that the problem is actually implementing the advice....for many it seems like an unreal scenario...we don't seem to wake up unless it is in our faces.....my son has just told me that there are massive queues at Macdonald's in light of the announcement to close completely....so much for isolation! This is the thing John, you and I will be waiting for tonight's daily briefing but it doesn't feel to me like almost everyone else will be at all. Everybody reading this thread are doing so because they are seeking information but there are so many people out there who aren't. You only have to look at the first few pages of this thread to see how ignorant many people were, claiming people were blowing things out of proportion, over a bit of flu and people are still thinking like that now. I've been trying to warn people I know about the dangers but some think I'm making a big deal over not very much and it's pretty much still just the media whipping things up. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 23, 2020 17:02:04 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 17:05:25 GMT
Captain Hindsight and his merry men were sadly unavailable to advise national strategy otherwise we wouldn’t be having these spiteful spats and we would be cured... damned if you do, damned if you don’t in my opinion. It’s pathetic! It's not hindsight is it? We were getting stick for it when they were carrying on about herd immunity. Even they have changed their plan and tune. The hindsight argument is shite. No its not all these experts warning where were they ? As the article says for a siren to be heard it has to be sounded and herd immunity was never a policy..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 17:06:33 GMT
Hopefully pissed off Boris Johnson at teatime on all channels like some terrorist film will happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 17:07:03 GMT
46 deaths in England. 54 in UK in total today by the looks of it Is that fairly similar to the previous 2 days numbers? Previous 3 days have all been in the 40s and 50s haven't they? If so, does that indicate maybe we're not on the same trajectory as Italy? |
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 17:09:03 GMT
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 23, 2020 17:09:40 GMT
Boris not speaking due to Cobra meeting - one can only imagine that the minutes from said Cobra meeting will be 'LOCK THE DAFT FUCKERS DOWN!!!' and Boris will appear at about 8pm to address the country like an irate headmaster.
Here's hoping...
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 23, 2020 17:12:46 GMT
Update in Italy:
602 dead today. It is perhaps dropping so hopefully starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 23, 2020 17:16:00 GMT
Update in Italy: 602 dead today. It is perhaps dropping so hopefully starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel! Shows you the true horror of it when 602 is a good result (That’s not a go at you either mate btw, just the sad state of things.) |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 17:17:32 GMT
You'd have to have been living under a rock to not find out all the advice that's been given. It's already all out there on the news, internet, radio it's literally the only story out there and everyone knows what they should and should not be doing. Unfortunately for us the problem is were a nation of selfish shit bags who always think we know better than the advice given and just carry on regardless. The problem is not getting the message out there as it's already rammed down our throats the problem is how to get the selfish wankers to follow simple instructions. The advice is all over the place. Rog made this post earlier. Funny how those saying the information is not clear are absolutely clear what advice is being ignored. We've all heard it a thousand times. Wash your hands regularly for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. Don't touch your face. Avoid unnecessary travel. If you can work from home do so. If you're not on the 'essential workers' list keep your kids out of school. If you have any of the COVID19 symptoms particularly a consistent dry cough and/or high temperature however mild you should self isolate for 7 days alone or 14 days as a family/housemates. Over 70's and those on the vulnerable list are to stay in and should be shielded from others. If family members/neighbours can provide supplies and medicines then great. If not there are designated slots from certain stores to shop at certain times. This is not perfect. PHE have identified 1.5m people who will receive a letter this week telling them why and how they should self isolate for 12 weeks. Their medicines and packages of essential food will be delivered coordinated by PHE, supermarkets and delivery services, possibly including the military. We can go out but must keep 2 metres/6ft from anyone if you're living alone. If you're a couple or a family you can be together but keep 2 metres/6ft from anybody not in your family group. if you do have symptoms view 111.NHS.uk for advice. If you deteriorate called 111. Don't panic buy. I've watched every press briefing but I haven't seen the over 70's being told to stay in. There's nothing on the government website saying that the over 70's should stay in. There's nothing on the government website about keeping 2 metres from anyone when you're outside either. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adultsI'm confused and I'm actively seeking advice! There really does need to be accurate public information being broadcast from every quarter. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 23, 2020 17:23:14 GMT
Has bozza offered anything better to the self employed yet?
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Post by henry on Mar 23, 2020 17:29:58 GMT
You'd have to have been living under a rock to not find out all the advice that's been given. It's already all out there on the news, internet, radio it's literally the only story out there and everyone knows what they should and should not be doing. Unfortunately for us the problem is were a nation of selfish shit bags who always think we know better than the advice given and just carry on regardless. The problem is not getting the message out there as it's already rammed down our throats the problem is how to get the selfish wankers to follow simple instructions. The advice is all over the place. Rog made this post earlier. Funny how those saying the information is not clear are absolutely clear what advice is being ignored. We've all heard it a thousand times. Wash your hands regularly for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. Don't touch your face. Avoid unnecessary travel. If you can work from home do so. If you're not on the 'essential workers' list keep your kids out of school. If you have any of the COVID19 symptoms particularly a consistent dry cough and/or high temperature however mild you should self isolate for 7 days alone or 14 days as a family/housemates. Over 70's and those on the vulnerable list are to stay in and should be shielded from others. If family members/neighbours can provide supplies and medicines then great. If not there are designated slots from certain stores to shop at certain times. This is not perfect. PHE have identified 1.5m people who will receive a letter this week telling them why and how they should self isolate for 12 weeks. Their medicines and packages of essential food will be delivered coordinated by PHE, supermarkets and delivery services, possibly including the military. We can go out but must keep 2 metres/6ft from anyone if you're living alone. If you're a couple or a family you can be together but keep 2 metres/6ft from anybody not in your family group. if you do have symptoms view 111.NHS.uk for advice. If you deteriorate called 111. Don't panic buy. I've watched every press briefing but I haven't seen the over 70's being told to stay in. There's nothing on the government website saying that the over 70's should stay in. There's nothing on the government website about keeping 2 metres from anyone when you're outside either. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adultsI'm confused and I'm actively seeking advice! There really does need to be accurate public information being broadcast from every quarter. Your kind of point was earlier made in the HoC. Don't know who raised it, but the response was a rather sarcastic "i will send you a poster" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 17:31:37 GMT
We've gone into this crisis with every public service on its knees and a social safety net with nothing but holes in it. Anyone who says this isnt political clearly hasnt spent the last ten years trying to counter the lies and obfuscation that helped make us so vulnerable. I don't really blame Jonhson and Cummings for their human deficiencies now so much as I blame their ideology for the mess the country in when trying to tackle it. Exactly. There is an argument to spilt the thread in two, one for information and updates, and the other for debate providing it’s in the right spirit. Everything is political whether we like it or not, it doesn’t necessary have to be party political but everyone has an opinion and has a right to express it...... |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 23, 2020 17:32:31 GMT
See Cuba has sent loads of Drs to Italy to combat Covid19.
Cuba does this time after time, because their health system is so good.
Remember, if it wasn’t for your Grandfather’s/Great Grandfathers sacrificing themselves in 2 World Wars, you’d have never been given Social Security & the NHS.
Viva la revolución🇨🇺
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 23, 2020 17:32:47 GMT
"You just have to look at other countries." Why haven't they been looking at other countries for the last week or 10 days then? It feels like the penny has finally dropped just over a week after it should have. I hope that delay does not cause the final numbers of deaths to completely spiral out of control. There's a lot of evidence to suggest it will, but for the sake of my friends and family in the UK I can only blindly hope that we have some good luck. At the very least I can take some hope by the fact that Stoke and the surrounding areas are not one of the heavily-infected areas. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 17:32:54 GMT
Your kind of point was earlier made in the HoC. Don't know who raised it, but the response was a rather sarcastic "i will send you a poster" Who said "I'll send you a poster" Henry? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 17:35:56 GMT
Only 154 new cases in the UK today - is that correct?
That seems way too low.
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Post by henry on Mar 23, 2020 17:36:22 GMT
Your kind of point was earlier made in the HoC. Don't know who raised it, but the response was a rather sarcastic "i will send you a poster" Who said "I'll send you a poster" Henry? Matt Hancock. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 17:38:03 GMT
We've gone into this crisis with every public service on its knees and a social safety net with nothing but holes in it. Anyone who says this isnt political clearly hasnt spent the last ten years trying to counter the lies and obfuscation that helped make us so vulnerable. I don't really blame Jonhson and Cummings for their human deficiencies now so much as I blame their ideology for the mess the country in when trying to tackle it. Exactly. There is an argument to spilt the thread in two, one for information and updates, and the other for debate providing it’s in the right spirit. Everything is political whether we like it or not, it doesn’t necessary have to be party political but everyone has an opinion and has a right to express it...... Yeah it's strange how people can't see that. And it's not just the government. What were they and Sadiq Kahn thinking about the tube? Shut 40 stations down, so you crowd other stations and force more people into closer conditions. Just bloody odd. |
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