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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2020 15:34:09 GMT
Out of total curiosity, which government around the world do you think has done anything better or different? or in your eyes are all the worlds leaders reactions been shameful? There is only one government to blame for this pandemic, they covered up lied about it's existence and allowed their infected citizens to freely spread it all over the World, they alone have brought the World and it's economy to it's knees, action should be taken against them now not in the future. That's also a matter of opinion. Its very difficult to present conclusive evidence to know where and how this virus originated. Many theories on this, including your own. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 15:36:36 GMT
Like this, this has been obvious for weeks yet we've had the pussy footing around we have. They're so out of their depth. Given how things have unfolded I'm not sure that it would have been any different whoever's in charge. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 15:37:53 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 23, 2020 15:37:58 GMT
Are the latest scores at 5pm again this week? Think so Gods
Got to be sooner than later now for announcement on full lockdown. If not today, then next couple of days surely. People have been unable to follow simple instructions, they're going to have to put their foot down now.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 15:38:51 GMT
What a load of bollocks. Have you not noticed that this is a global pandemic totally caused by China, that's costing thousands of lives in every country in the world. So I'm presuming by your logic that you want every PM in the world fucked off for as in your words being useless, because not one country has yet to get to grips with the problem.That's not strictly true. Some countries are dealing with it better than others based on the decisions of their government. Just because people are dying from all over the place doesn't mean all governments are equally accountable. What's looking to be the case is that the countries that act the slowest suffer the higher fatality rates later down the line. It may not just be the governments though Foster, perhaps the actual behaviour of the people has an impact. We British are a bit cavalier and don't like to be told what to do, in my opinion, the Japanese in general seem to tend to conform for example. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 15:40:48 GMT
I just dont get how you take the Politics out of it. It is Politics. I knew I was wasting my breath but it made me feel a bit better to say it. Normal party politics should stay out it, I have a lot to say about finding out that Raab will take Johnson's position for instance but this thread is not the place for it. The effectiveness of the response and the they type of economy we are and will become is entirely appropriate. What people are saying about the response from the front line is entirely appropriate and trying to stifle that sort of discussion is a Political act in itself and I'm not surprised by the names of those engaging in it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:41:44 GMT
Like this, this has been obvious for weeks yet we've had the pussy footing around we have. They're so out of their depth. Given how things have unfolded I'm not sure that it would have been any different whoever's in charge. I don't get yer? It's just down to the sheer lunacy of those in power isn't it? The thought that the sooner you lockdown the better was happening in Europe when our lot were peddling their ideas. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 15:42:27 GMT
I just dont get how you take the Politics out of it. It is Politics. Jesus wept. We’re all in it together, or not? Look at supermarket shelves and Dutch Stokie's vile response to me. Are we fuck 'in it all together'. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 15:44:30 GMT
I don't know Paul. Perhaps it should be.....but it does seem to me that almost everyone will be waiting for ( tonight's) the daily update......I think that the problem is actually implementing the advice....for many it seems like an unreal scenario...we don't seem to wake up unless it is in our faces.....my son has just told me that there are massive queues at Macdonald's in light of the announcement to close completely....so much for isolation! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 15:47:11 GMT
You'd have to have been living under a rock to not find out all the advice that's been given. It's already all out there on the news, internet, radio it's literally the only story out there and everyone knows what they should and should not be doing. Unfortunately for us the problem is were a nation of selfish shit bags who always think we know better than the advice given and just carry on regardless. The problem is not getting the message out there as it's already rammed down our throats the problem is how to get the selfish wankers to follow simple instructions. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:49:55 GMT
I don't know Paul. Perhaps it should be.....but it does seem to me that almost everyone will be waiting for ( tonight's) the daily update......I think that the problem is actually implementing the advice....for many it seems like an unreal scenario...we don't seem to wake up unless it is in our faces.....my son has just told me that there are massive queues at Macdonald's in light of the announcement to close completely....so much for isolation! This is why we need a lockdown. People can't be trusted. They need the power taking from them. Absolute fucking morons. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 15:49:56 GMT
That's not strictly true. Some countries are dealing with it better than others based on the decisions of their government. Just because people are dying from all over the place doesn't mean all governments are equally accountable. What's looking to be the case is that the countries that act the slowest suffer the higher fatality rates later down the line. It may not just be the governments though Foster, perhaps the actual behaviour of the people has an impact. We British are a bit cavalier and don't like to be told what to do, in my opinion, the Japanese in general seem to tend to conform for example. I agree. There are many other factors to consider such as attitude, government response, population density, when countries first began having infections and how prepared they were, the state of their respective health services, etc. I also think some countries may fare worse purely for cultural reasons, where families tend to live together in the same house or property. We'll only be able to make a proper comparison with similar countries. I'd say that Germany, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Austria, France, the US, Australia, Canada and the Scandinavian countries would be fairly decent for making a comparison later. |
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 15:53:32 GMT
Jesus wept. We’re all in it together, or not? Look at supermarket shelves and Dutch Stokie's vile response to me. Are we fuck 'in it all together'. He’s got a point tbf. I bet Boris Johnson bought all the size 1 nappies himself. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2020 15:53:56 GMT
There is only one government to blame for this pandemic, they covered up lied about it's existence and allowed their infected citizens to freely spread it all over the World, they alone have brought the World and it's economy to it's knees, action should be taken against them now not in the future. That's also a matter of opinion. Its very difficult to present conclusive evidence to know where and how this virus originated. Many theories on this, including your own. Taken from Healthline not my own work:
The coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China, is baffling experts searching for the source. Since the virus is considered novel, it’s a type of virus that has never been encountered before.
Coronaviruses are named for their crown-like shape, and were first identified in the mid-1960s. The virus typically causes respiratory illnesses like the common cold.
In the beginning, many of those infected worked or shopped at a wholesale seafood market in Wuhan, China, which also sold live and freshly slaughtered animals.
This is why experts suspect it crossed to humans from an animal host.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 15:59:19 GMT
That's also a matter of opinion. Its very difficult to present conclusive evidence to know where and how this virus originated. Many theories on this, including your own. Taken from Healthline not my own work:
The coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China, is baffling experts searching for the source. Since the virus is considered novel, it’s a type of virus that has never been encountered before.
Coronaviruses are named for their crown-like shape, and were first identified in the mid-1960s. The virus typically causes respiratory illnesses like the common cold.
In the beginning, many of those infected worked or shopped at a wholesale seafood market in Wuhan, China, which also sold live and freshly slaughtered animals.
This is why experts suspect it crossed to humans from an animal host.
We know it’s not your own work, you couldn’t form a sentence without the copy and paste facility..... |
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 16:01:37 GMT
This is the sexual tension thread - please rename
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 23, 2020 16:02:25 GMT
We've gone into this crisis with every public service on its knees and a social safety net with nothing but holes in it.
Anyone who says this isnt political clearly hasnt spent the last ten years trying to counter the lies and obfuscation that helped make us so vulnerable. I don't really blame Jonhson and Cummings for their human deficiencies now so much as I blame their ideology for the mess the country in when trying to tackle it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 16:07:27 GMT
We've gone into this crisis with every public service on its knees and a social safety net with nothing but holes in it. Anyone who says this isnt political clearly hasnt spent the last ten years trying to counter the lies and obfuscation that helped make us so vulnerable. I don't really blame Jonhson and Cummings for their human deficiencies now so much as I blame their ideology for the mess the country in when trying to tackle it. Unfortunately it may have been in a worse state had Corbyn been in charge for the past few years. Who knows? |
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 16:10:51 GMT
We've gone into this crisis with every public service on its knees and a social safety net with nothing but holes in it. Anyone who says this isnt political clearly hasnt spent the last ten years trying to counter the lies and obfuscation that helped make us so vulnerable. I don't really blame Jonhson and Cummings for their human deficiencies now so much as I blame their ideology for the mess the country in when trying to tackle it. Bayern and sheikh want to rip your clothes off |
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Mar 23, 2020 16:12:24 GMT
We've gone into this crisis with every public service on its knees and a social safety net with nothing but holes in it. Anyone who says this isnt political clearly hasnt spent the last ten years trying to counter the lies and obfuscation that helped make us so vulnerable. I don't really blame Jonhson and Cummings for their human deficiencies now so much as I blame their ideology for the mess the country in when trying to tackle it. Unfortunately it may have been in a worse state had Corbyn been in charge for the past few years. Who knows? Fantastic whatabouttery 😂😂 |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2020 16:12:39 GMT
That's also a matter of opinion. Its very difficult to present conclusive evidence to know where and how this virus originated. Many theories on this, including your own. Taken from Healthline not my own work:
The coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China, is baffling experts searching for the source. Since the virus is considered novel, it’s a type of virus that has never been encountered before.
Coronaviruses are named for their crown-like shape, and were first identified in the mid-1960s. The virus typically causes respiratory illnesses like the common cold.
In the beginning, many of those infected worked or shopped at a wholesale seafood market in Wuhan, China, which also sold live and freshly slaughtered animals.
This is why experts suspect it crossed to humans from an animal host.
Sure, that is one theory. There are lots of different websites, like the one you have referred to, with different theories that's all I'm saying. That one seems pretty vague. It didn't originate in China in the mid 60s for a start and there are many types of coronavirus. Experts are still trying to work it all out by the sounds of it. Not conclusive enough. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 23, 2020 16:13:02 GMT
Still don’t get how it’s not going to come back to those countries. It will do but surely we've got to minimise the effects until a vaccine or better treatments come into play? Once that happens then go for what we wanted to do with the herd immunity stuff. But before then unless you're willing for thousands to die and your health service to be screwed what else can be done? Yeah. Managing it so the health service isn't overwhelmed is the absolute priority. It's always going to be a bit of a balance no matter what. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 16:13:37 GMT
Unfortunately it may have been in a worse state had Corbyn been in charge for the past few years. Who knows? Fantastic whatabouttery 😂😂 True though |
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Mar 23, 2020 16:15:08 GMT
Fantastic whatabouttery 😂😂 True though How can it be, it's a made up scenario that you created to deflect away from the original point. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 23, 2020 16:20:03 GMT
46 deaths in England.
54 in UK in total today by the looks of it
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 16:21:12 GMT
How can it be, it's a made up scenario that you created to deflect away from the original point. Of course it could be true. We don't know what the economy nor the health service would be like today following a few years of Corbyn's government. We don't know if he would or would not be more decisive than Boris in this situation. Nor whether he would make better or different decisions, following medical advice. It is easy to criticise those making the decisions ( that's the easy bit,) and some of the criticism may be valid but we don't know if the alternative would be any better. Nor do we know in reality what the next few days or months are going to be like for the UK and the rest of the world. |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2020 16:21:48 GMT
Fantastic whatabouttery 😂😂 True though What is the point of this kind of hypothesising? What use is this to anyone really? How is this helping anyone?  |
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Post by march4 on Mar 23, 2020 16:22:09 GMT
This virus is like a runaway train heading straight for us.
We need to get everyone off the tracks quickly even by force if necessary.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 23, 2020 16:23:16 GMT
Jesus wept. We’re all in it together, or not? Look at supermarket shelves and Dutch Stokie's vile response to me. Are we fuck 'in it all together'. You brought it on yourself sheiky, and youve given out a LOT worse in the past so dont start your fuckin whining….. The global pandemic suggests we are in this altogether and it will only become better if everyone listens to the medical advice each country is reporting daily. As before, you love to have the last word so go for it..... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 16:24:39 GMT
What is the point of this kind of hypothesising? What use is this to anyone really? How is this helping anyone? It probably isn't. I'm just pointing out that it is easy to criticise....but the alternatives could be worse...we don't really know. For me , we are where we are and we need to take the government/ medical profession advice....and it does seem that lockdown is now likely. |
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