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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 14:56:19 GMT
I'm left nor right but I don't see the harm in pointing where the government has fucked up and put more lives at risk than is necessary. In fact it's a massive part of this whole time. They need to be held accountable now, just not when it's all done. Indeed them not being held to account for the last 9 years is partially why they've made such a fuck up of this. That last paragraph is truly astonishing... no harm? Solidarity? I think I might need to stay away from this forum because it’s infuriating reading. Why is it? In WW2 they fucked the PM off because he was useless and it worked. You don't need to have blind faith in times like these. You need to hold people to account and be decisive if you think it's for the greater good. The government have made a hash of this from the very start. Their actions will cost thousands of lives and that isn't something to be swept under carpet. Why Dominic Cummings is still in a job is anyone's guess after the revelations of yesterday. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 23, 2020 14:57:44 GMT
Spit you're right. This thread has been a good source of information and valuable discussion. I've been particularly interested in the views and reports from our exiled Stokies in Milan and Madrid particularly. But as the crisis has deepened and the fear ramps up our basic tribal instincts and political blame culture is coming to the fore. This thread is rapidly degenerating into a left versus right bunfight and is serving no useful purpose other than massaging some already over inflated ego's. Can't you get it through your heads that people like me who are neither left nor right don't give a flying fuck about your political point scoring at the moment. It can wait for another day. But of course you don't care about that do you because it's your inalienable right to say what you want, when you want. Just like it was those daft fuckers inalienable right to climb Snowden or ride to Matlock Bath yesterday. Just because it's your right though doesn't make it RIGHT at the moment. I just dont get how you take the Politics out of it. It is Politics. I knew I was wasting my breath but it made me feel a bit better to say it. |
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Post by adi on Mar 23, 2020 15:02:49 GMT
I just dont get how you take the Politics out of it. It is Politics. I knew I was wasting my breath but it made me feel a bit better to say it. It’s just so sad that even now, the hard left can’t show solidarity. |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2020 15:04:13 GMT
I take your point, I appreciate your response and accept that it is not just in one direction. I just think that labelling people negatively with politicised slogans is not going to help us here and will only contribute towards this thread deteriorating very quickly as is seeming more and more likely. I think this thread can be valuable for people in many ways, by supporting each other, sharing useful information etc all without posters feeling they can't identify areas of concern in the way this is going to be managed if they feel that is also important and as long as it is constructive. Spit you're right. This thread has been a good source of information and valuable discussion. I've been particularly interested in the views and reports from our exiled Stokies in Milan and Madrid particularly. But as the crisis has deepened and the fear ramps up our basic tribal instincts and political blame culture is coming to the fore. This thread is rapidly degenerating into a left versus right bunfight and is serving no useful purpose other than massaging some already over inflated ego's. Can't you get it through your heads that people like me who are neither left nor right don't give a flying fuck about your political point scoring at the moment. It can wait for another day. But of course you don't care about that do you because it's your inalienable right to say what you want, when you want. Just like it was those daft fuckers inalienable right to climb Snowden or ride to Matlock Bath yesterday. Just because it's your right though doesn't make it RIGHT at the moment. I think there are enough people on here to be able to contribute to a useful/valuable thread. I think it is good to think of this thread as a resource myself. I'm of the opinion that the problem isn't about making political points. You can't separate politics from the anything and that includes a virus or whatever crisis. Politics is to do with governance and that is relevant. We are all concerned to varying degrees about the way this and other crisis' are managed because that directly affects us and everyone else, and we will feel a need to express that. The problem is when there is the use of political sloganising without any useful or critical association. E.g Tory Twat, Socialist wanker, Liberal tosser, snowflakes......whatever. Negative terms of abuse is a way of trying to shut down critical analysis and that is also dangerous at this time. This is not going to help anyone, is just going to provoke reactions of a similar vein and is divisive at a time when we need to feel we all have something in common here. None of us are perfect (being as guilty myself at times) but maybe now is a good time to make a bit more effort in this regard. Just my own thoughts |
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Post by adi on Mar 23, 2020 15:07:05 GMT
Spit you're right. This thread has been a good source of information and valuable discussion. I've been particularly interested in the views and reports from our exiled Stokies in Milan and Madrid particularly. But as the crisis has deepened and the fear ramps up our basic tribal instincts and political blame culture is coming to the fore. This thread is rapidly degenerating into a left versus right bunfight and is serving no useful purpose other than massaging some already over inflated ego's. Can't you get it through your heads that people like me who are neither left nor right don't give a flying fuck about your political point scoring at the moment. It can wait for another day. But of course you don't care about that do you because it's your inalienable right to say what you want, when you want. Just like it was those daft fuckers inalienable right to climb Snowden or ride to Matlock Bath yesterday. Just because it's your right though doesn't make it RIGHT at the moment. I think there are enough people on here to be able to contribute to a useful/valuable thread. I think it is good to think of this thread as a resource myself. I'm of the opinion that the problem isn't about making political points. You can't separate politics from the anything and that includes a virus or whatever crisis. Politics is to do with governance and that is relevant. We are all concerned to varying degrees about the way this and other crisis' are managed because that directly affects us and everyone else, and we will feel a need to express that. The problem is when there is the use of political sloganising without any useful or critical association. E.g Tory Twat, Socialist wanker, Liberal tosser, snowflakes......whatever. Negative terms of abuse is a way of trying to shut down critical analysis and that is also dangerous at this time. This is not going to help anyone, is just going to provoke reactions of a similar vein and is divisive at a time when we need to feel we all have something in common here. None of us are perfect (being as guilty myself at times) but maybe now is a good time to make a bit more effort in this regard. Just my own thoughts Captain Hindsight and his merry men were sadly unavailable to advise national strategy otherwise we wouldn’t be having these spiteful spats and we would be cured... damned if you do, damned if you don’t in my opinion. It’s pathetic! |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 23, 2020 15:07:11 GMT
Spit you're right. This thread has been a good source of information and valuable discussion. I've been particularly interested in the views and reports from our exiled Stokies in Milan and Madrid particularly. But as the crisis has deepened and the fear ramps up our basic tribal instincts and political blame culture is coming to the fore. This thread is rapidly degenerating into a left versus right bunfight and is serving no useful purpose other than massaging some already over inflated ego's. Can't you get it through your heads that people like me who are neither left nor right don't give a flying fuck about your political point scoring at the moment. It can wait for another day. But of course you don't care about that do you because it's your inalienable right to say what you want, when you want. Just like it was those daft fuckers inalienable right to climb Snowden or ride to Matlock Bath yesterday. Just because it's your right though doesn't make it RIGHT at the moment. I'm left nor right but I don't see the harm in pointing where the government has fucked up and put more lives at risk than is necessary. In fact it's a massive part of this whole time. They need to be held accountable now, just not when it's all done. Indeed them not being held to account for the last 9 years is partially why they've made such a fuck up of this. Mate nowhere in my post did I say we shouldn't point out if we think anyone is behaving incorrectly including Government. I absolutely think we should. But this tit for tat 'my political dick's bigger than yours' argument we've seen developing on here recently is as divisive as it is tedious. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 15:07:16 GMT
That last paragraph is truly astonishing... no harm? Solidarity? I think I might need to stay away from this forum because it’s infuriating reading. Why is it? In WW2 they fucked the PM off because he was useless and it worked. You don't need to have blind faith in times like these. You need to hold people to account and be decisive if you think it's for the greater good. The government have made a hash of this from the very start. Their actions will cost thousands of lives and that isn't something to be swept under carpet. Why Dominic Cummings is still in a job is anyone's guess after the revelations of yesterday. What a load of bollocks. Have you not noticed that this is a global pandemic totally caused by China, that's costing thousands of lives in every country in the world. So I'm presuming by your logic that you want every PM in the world fucked off for as in your words being useless, because not one country has yet to get to grips with the problem. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:08:51 GMT
Why is it? In WW2 they fucked the PM off because he was useless and it worked. You don't need to have blind faith in times like these. You need to hold people to account and be decisive if you think it's for the greater good. The government have made a hash of this from the very start. Their actions will cost thousands of lives and that isn't something to be swept under carpet. Why Dominic Cummings is still in a job is anyone's guess after the revelations of yesterday. What a load of bollocks. Have you not noticed that this is a global pandemic totally caused by China, that's costing thousands of lives in every country in the world. So I'm presuming by your logic that you want every PM in the world fucked off for as in your words being useless, because not one country has yet to get to grips with the problem. It's not bollocks in the slightest. It is a global pandemic whose fault is totally that of China yes (as the evindece stands) but our government's reaction to it has been shameful. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 23, 2020 15:09:01 GMT
Spit you're right. This thread has been a good source of information and valuable discussion. I've been particularly interested in the views and reports from our exiled Stokies in Milan and Madrid particularly. But as the crisis has deepened and the fear ramps up our basic tribal instincts and political blame culture is coming to the fore. This thread is rapidly degenerating into a left versus right bunfight and is serving no useful purpose other than massaging some already over inflated ego's. Can't you get it through your heads that people like me who are neither left nor right don't give a flying fuck about your political point scoring at the moment. It can wait for another day. But of course you don't care about that do you because it's your inalienable right to say what you want, when you want. Just like it was those daft fuckers inalienable right to climb Snowden or ride to Matlock Bath yesterday. Just because it's your right though doesn't make it RIGHT at the moment. I think there are enough people on here to be able to contribute to a useful/valuable thread. I think it is good to think of this thread as a resource myself. I'm of the opinion that the problem isn't about making political points. You can't separate politics from the anything and that includes a virus or whatever crisis. Politics is to do with governance and that is relevant. We are all concerned to varying degrees about the way this and other crisis' are managed because that directly affects us and everyone else, and we will feel a need to express that. The problem is when there is the use of political sloganising without any useful or critical association. E.g Tory Twat, Socialist wanker, Liberal tosser, snowflakes......whatever. Negative terms of abuse is a way of trying to shut down critical analysis and that is also dangerous at this time. This is not going to help anyone, is just going to provoke reactions of a similar vein and is divisive at a time when we need to feel we all have something in common here. None of us are perfect (being as guilty myself at times) but maybe now is a good time to make a bit more effort in this regard. Just my own thoughts Bang on the money mate. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 15:09:42 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 15:10:31 GMT
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Post by adi on Mar 23, 2020 15:10:33 GMT
What a load of bollocks. Have you not noticed that this is a global pandemic totally caused by China, that's costing thousands of lives in every country in the world. So I'm presuming by your logic that you want every PM in the world fucked off for as in your words being useless, because not one country has yet to get to grips with the problem. It's not bollocks in the slightest. It is a global pandemic whose fault is totally that of China yes (as the evindece stands) but our government's reaction to it has been shameful. It is bollocks yes. So can we expect Italy, China, Spain, Holland to chop their leaders too? No, I didn’t think so. Stop being so childish. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:10:52 GMT
I think there are enough people on here to be able to contribute to a useful/valuable thread. I think it is good to think of this thread as a resource myself. I'm of the opinion that the problem isn't about making political points. You can't separate politics from the anything and that includes a virus or whatever crisis. Politics is to do with governance and that is relevant. We are all concerned to varying degrees about the way this and other crisis' are managed because that directly affects us and everyone else, and we will feel a need to express that. The problem is when there is the use of political sloganising without any useful or critical association. E.g Tory Twat, Socialist wanker, Liberal tosser, snowflakes......whatever. Negative terms of abuse is a way of trying to shut down critical analysis and that is also dangerous at this time. This is not going to help anyone, is just going to provoke reactions of a similar vein and is divisive at a time when we need to feel we all have something in common here. None of us are perfect (being as guilty myself at times) but maybe now is a good time to make a bit more effort in this regard. Just my own thoughts Captain Hindsight and his merry men were sadly unavailable to advise national strategy otherwise we wouldn’t be having these spiteful spats and we would be cured... damned if you do, damned if you don’t in my opinion. It’s pathetic! It's not hindsight is it? We were getting stick for it when they were carrying on about herd immunity. Even they have changed their plan and tune. The hindsight argument is shite. |
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Post by adi on Mar 23, 2020 15:12:06 GMT
Captain Hindsight and his merry men were sadly unavailable to advise national strategy otherwise we wouldn’t be having these spiteful spats and we would be cured... damned if you do, damned if you don’t in my opinion. It’s pathetic! It's not hindsight is it? We were getting stick for it when they were carrying on about herd immunity. Even they have changed their plan and tune. The hindsight argument is shite. Yes it is. Plans do change as situations evolve, you are so small minded you cant see that? god almighty... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:13:19 GMT
Like this, this has been obvious for weeks yet we've had the pussy footing around we have. They're so out of their depth. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 23, 2020 15:13:56 GMT
Are the latest scores at 5pm again this week?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:14:24 GMT
It's not hindsight is it? We were getting stick for it when they were carrying on about herd immunity. Even they have changed their plan and tune. The hindsight argument is shite. Yes it is. Plans do change as situations evolve, you are so small minded you cant see that? god almighty... No, the plan I wanted them to take is the one they eventually went to but on a lot lighter footing. It wasn't a change in the plan, it was a complete new plan because the other plan was utter shite. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 15:15:16 GMT
Why is it? In WW2 they fucked the PM off because he was useless and it worked. You don't need to have blind faith in times like these. You need to hold people to account and be decisive if you think it's for the greater good. The government have made a hash of this from the very start. Their actions will cost thousands of lives and that isn't something to be swept under carpet. Why Dominic Cummings is still in a job is anyone's guess after the revelations of yesterday. What a load of bollocks. Have you not noticed that this is a global pandemic totally caused by China, that's costing thousands of lives in every country in the world. So I'm presuming by your logic that you want every PM in the world fucked off for as in your words being useless, because not one country has yet to get to grips with the problem.That's not strictly true. Some countries are dealing with it better than others based on the decisions of their government. Just because people are dying from all over the place doesn't mean all governments are equally accountable. What's looking to be the case is that the countries that act the slowest suffer the higher fatality rates later down the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 15:15:40 GMT
What a load of bollocks. Have you not noticed that this is a global pandemic totally caused by China, that's costing thousands of lives in every country in the world. So I'm presuming by your logic that you want every PM in the world fucked off for as in your words being useless, because not one country has yet to get to grips with the problem. It's not bollocks in the slightest. It is a global pandemic whose fault is totally that of China yes (as the evindece stands) but our government's reaction to it has been shameful. Out of total curiosity, which government around the world do you think has done anything better or different? or in your eyes are all the worlds leaders reactions been shameful? |
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Post by adi on Mar 23, 2020 15:17:38 GMT
Yes it is. Plans do change as situations evolve, you are so small minded you cant see that? god almighty... No, the plan I wanted them to take is the one they eventually went to but on a lot lighter footing. It wasn't a change in the plan, it was a complete new plan because the other plan was utter shite. At the end of the day it’s easy for you, a hardened keyboard warrior of great standing on the oatcake, to say what should be done, with no knowledge or understanding of how grown up governance works, to say one line on how the UK shows have acted. The reality is you should leave it to the grownups who have been doing their job for longer than you have played it out in your kind, behind your keyboard. I’m not engaging with you again now, you are a cock and all you seem to do is argue with every fucker that doesn’t follow your idealistic view. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 23, 2020 15:18:54 GMT
It's not bollocks in the slightest. It is a global pandemic whose fault is totally that of China yes (as the evindece stands) but our government's reaction to it has been shameful. Out of total curiosity, which government around the world do you think has done anything better or different? or in your eyes are all the worlds leaders reactions been shameful? Japan, South Korea (an awesome response after being caught in the headlights early) and Singapore have been exemplary if you look at the figures. I’ve said before, we’ll know the truth about how effective individual nation responses have been in a year or so when the long term data can be put together. But if the plan in the short to mid term is to curtail the spread of the virus, they are the ones to watch so far. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:20:49 GMT
No, the plan I wanted them to take is the one they eventually went to but on a lot lighter footing. It wasn't a change in the plan, it was a complete new plan because the other plan was utter shite. At the end of the day it’s easy for you, a hardened keyboard warrior of great standing on the oatcake, to say what should be done, with no knowledge or understanding of how grown up governance works, to say one line on how the UK shows have acted. The reality is you should leave it to the grownups who have been doing their job for longer than you have played it out in your kind, behind your keyboard. I’m not engaging with you again now, you are a cock and all you seem to do is argue with every fucker that doesn’t follow your idealistic view. It is easy I agree but then it was the only route that was worth taking and they fucked it. As it turns out the knowledge I had would have put us in a better standing for what's coming. Dominic Cummings, grown up? Behave  Idealistic? I argue with people who are lapdogs and take everything at face value without analysing it them for themselves and having the bollocks to think for themselves. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 15:20:51 GMT
It's not bollocks in the slightest. It is a global pandemic whose fault is totally that of China yes (as the evindece stands) but our government's reaction to it has been shameful. Out of total curiosity, which government around the world do you think has done anything better or different? or in your eyes are all the worlds leaders reactions been shameful? It'll be after all this is over that a proper comparison between governments can be made. We haven't yet hit a spike in fatalities and not all countries are at the same point in the trajectory of infections. Looking at the stats (infections and fatalities), plus their trends and isolation measures, there are plenty of countries that can be listed as being more or less successful than us, at the moment. They don't need to be listed as you can easily find them on the BBC website. www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105 |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 23, 2020 15:23:35 GMT
Out of total curiosity, which government around the world do you think has done anything better or different? or in your eyes are all the worlds leaders reactions been shameful? Japan, South Korea (an awesome response after being caught in the headlights early) and Singapore have been exemplary if you look at the figures. I’ve said before, we’ll know the truth about how effective individual nation responses have been in a year or so when the long term data can be put together. But if the plan in the short to mid term is to curtail the spread of the virus, they are the ones to watch so far. Still don’t get how it’s not going to come back to those countries. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2020 15:24:46 GMT
I take your point, I appreciate your response and accept that it is not just in one direction. I just think that labelling people negatively with politicised slogans is not going to help us here and will only contribute towards this thread deteriorating very quickly as is seeming more and more likely. I think this thread can be valuable for people in many ways, by supporting each other, sharing useful information etc all without posters feeling they can't identify areas of concern in the way this is going to be managed if they feel that is also important and as long as it is constructive. Spit you're right. This thread has been a good source of information and valuable discussion. I've been particularly interested in the views and reports from our exiled Stokies in Milan and Madrid particularly. But as the crisis has deepened and the fear ramps up our basic tribal instincts and political blame culture is coming to the fore. This thread is rapidly degenerating into a left versus right bunfight and is serving no useful purpose other than massaging some already over inflated ego's. Can't you get it through your heads that people like me who are neither left nor right don't give a flying fuck about your political point scoring at the moment. It can wait for another day. But of course you don't care about that do you because it's your inalienable right to say what you want, when you want. Just like it was those daft fuckers inalienable right to climb Snowden or ride to Matlock Bath yesterday. Just because it's your right though doesn't make it RIGHT at the moment.
It's really poor of the usual suspects IMO.
As you mentioned, this thread has been a valuable source of information for many from the start especially because due to the large number of posters (who frequent many different sites/media outlets etc), everyone is therefore able to access information they may not have come across themselves but.......the usual dickheads have started to hijack the thread (as they do with every other bloody thread on the EE board) for no other reason than their petty, personal squabbles, their obsessive need for one upmanship and desperation to pin it on the "far right" or the "loony left".
Bloody pathetic!
Can we please leave this thread to be used for information and NOT for political arguments, so carpy can chuckle to himself for being able to use the name "Chairman Mo" for the umpteenth time this week and Momo can talk about how pathetic the tories have been for years etc. etc.
Gents...this has been an informative and VERY useful thread for many on here. Remember also that there will be those within the "vulnerable" groups on here who may have little knowledge of the current ongoings day to day, or access to more knowledge, so are to some extent reliant on receiving information on the few sites they do visit (including here)...not everyone is tech savvy and spends all day looking at twitter/reuters etc. so can we just leave one fucking thread clear of all the "Boris is an imbecile....Dianne Abbott would be getting all the numbers wrong.....Corbyn would ask his terrorist friends to help" utter bullshit, so those that actually DO want to find information can do so, without having to trawl through 30 pages of pricks sniping at each other! You all do that on every single bloody thread on the EE board as it is. Don't ruin this one as well. This whole situation is about far more than any of your bloody egos!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 15:25:01 GMT
Out of total curiosity, which government around the world do you think has done anything better or different? or in your eyes are all the worlds leaders reactions been shameful? Japan, South Korea and Singapore have been exemplary if you look at the figures. I’ve said before, we’ll know the truth about how effective individual nation responses have been in a year or so when the long term data can be put together. Very true and couldn't agree more that were along way off knowing how effective anyone's plans will turn out, hence my frustration at the usual suspects of keyboard warriors on here, who have already made up there minds based on political persuasion rather than long term data and analysis. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 23, 2020 15:25:06 GMT
Japan, South Korea (an awesome response after being caught in the headlights early) and Singapore have been exemplary if you look at the figures. I’ve said before, we’ll know the truth about how effective individual nation responses have been in a year or so when the long term data can be put together. But if the plan in the short to mid term is to curtail the spread of the virus, they are the ones to watch so far. Still don’t get how it’s not going to come back to those countries. Well this is the question, how long can they feasibly keep their restrictions in place and what do they do if and when there is a second wave. But having said that, by curtailing the first wave quickly they have bought themselves plenty of time to acquire resources, make plans, develop contingency without the need to be committing so much so soon like Italy have been forced to do. |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2020 15:26:51 GMT
I think there are enough people on here to be able to contribute to a useful/valuable thread. I think it is good to think of this thread as a resource myself. I'm of the opinion that the problem isn't about making political points. You can't separate politics from the anything and that includes a virus or whatever crisis. Politics is to do with governance and that is relevant. We are all concerned to varying degrees about the way this and other crisis' are managed because that directly affects us and everyone else, and we will feel a need to express that. The problem is when there is the use of political sloganising without any useful or critical association. E.g Tory Twat, Socialist wanker, Liberal tosser, snowflakes......whatever. Negative terms of abuse is a way of trying to shut down critical analysis and that is also dangerous at this time. This is not going to help anyone, is just going to provoke reactions of a similar vein and is divisive at a time when we need to feel we all have something in common here. None of us are perfect (being as guilty myself at times) but maybe now is a good time to make a bit more effort in this regard. Just my own thoughts Captain Hindsight and his merry men were sadly unavailable to advise national strategy otherwise we wouldn’t be having these spiteful spats and we would be cured... damned if you do, damned if you don’t in my opinion. It’s pathetic! I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make (correct me if wrong) . You may feel the Government is doing a good job and that is of course perfectly fine, but that in itself is political, because it is a judgement about the way a government is managing a situation. At the same time you have to recognise and acknowledge that others wont feel that way for all kinds of reasons, and will want to present arguments, or evidence to back that up. Not agreeing about the way something is done is Politics and that shouldn't be a problem in any democracy, but you can't shoot someone down because that is their opinion. That is what happens in a totalitarian state. I think there might be a bit of confusion between Politics and Party Politics here, assuming that every opinion is based on a specific political ideology and the person is doing that just to promote that ideology and for no other reason (this is why the word 'agenda' gets banded around so much), while this happens it is not the case with everyone, so everyone should not be censored because this exists. It is political the moment you have an opinion about anything which virtually everyone does unless you've maybe reached some kind Buddhist Nirvana No-Mind state having spent 20 years up a mountain. whatever your opinion, I think we should agree that abuse and namecalling is the least helpful contribution to this thread. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 15:26:53 GMT
Japan, South Korea (an awesome response after being caught in the headlights early) and Singapore have been exemplary if you look at the figures. I’ve said before, we’ll know the truth about how effective individual nation responses have been in a year or so when the long term data can be put together. But if the plan in the short to mid term is to curtail the spread of the virus, they are the ones to watch so far. Still don’t get how it’s not going to come back to those countries. It will do but surely we've got to minimise the effects until a vaccine or better treatments come into play? Once that happens then go for what we wanted to do with the herd immunity stuff. But before then unless you're willing for thousands to die and your health service to be screwed what else can be done? |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2020 15:30:49 GMT
It's not bollocks in the slightest. It is a global pandemic whose fault is totally that of China yes (as the evindece stands) but our government's reaction to it has been shameful. Out of total curiosity, which government around the world do you think has done anything better or different? or in your eyes are all the worlds leaders reactions been shameful? There is only one government to blame for this pandemic, they covered up lied about it's existence and allowed their infected citizens to freely spread it all over the World, they alone have brought the World and it's economy to it's knees, action should be taken against them now not in the future. |
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