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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 10:11:57 GMT
If you think clipping the part where he says thats not what he thinks we should do isnt important I give up. The time line is rubbish did you read the imperial college paper what you still dont seem to understand is that there is no good income, if 10 people can infect 59,000 any lockdown isnt for weeks its months or longer and people will still die. If you think he's doing a good job, communicating clearly and setting the right tone then I truly give up. This isn't about party politics but it is about personality. Fuck the clown off and give it to a grown up like Sunak. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 10:20:58 GMT
Yes they may have. Perhaps they are doing more than you think. Perhaps they are not completely stupid. It's simple to sit on the sidelines saying what should be happening when those judging don8 actually have to do anything and perhaps have an agenda. I'm not particularly a Boris supporter but I don't think it is time for sniping party politics. Wd could all do our bit by self isolation to protect the front line staff...but many of us are not. Not really. Ican remember when I was in the Police in Stoke , someone reported a young girl missing in the morning, by mid afternoon the father was asking why we had not got hundreds of police out looking for her. At any one time a " shift" to cover the Stoke south sub division consisted of 6 to8 people if you were lucky, that included Hartshill, Penkhull, Trent Vale, Trentham.....(by the evening she had turned up " at a friends"....this was not an isolated occurence)... There’s no party politics from me and it’s hardly sniping pointing out the way to defeat this and the tools needed! They’ve already said we may not have the tools! Don’t have the tools and large numbers will die! I'm not saying that you are Burger, but many will continue to see it simply as party politics at every opportunity...practically speaking imho the last thing that we would want is a change if government and more finger pointing. You are right they have said that we haven't yet got the tools and yes large numbers may die. Let's hope that we can get more equipment including ventilators...and that we make a better job of self isolation which may be the best protective measure that we have for everyone at the moment. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 10:22:20 GMT
"Catherine Calderwood, Scotland’s chief medical officer, said epidemiologists now estimated that an infected person could infect between four to six people, twice as many as previously thought. That could lead to “an explosion of cases”, she said." www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/22/scotland-schools-told-stop-pupils-attending-finish-coursework-nicola-sturgeonI noticed the paragraph above buried in this piece in the Guardian. Why is Scotland's chief medical officer saying something very different to what we were being told a few days ago, ie. that an infected person would ordinarily infect 1 to 2 people? |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 23, 2020 10:27:04 GMT
I'm not sure that right now is the time to be having the left/right arguement. That time will come after the event, and ultimately it will be trial by hindsight. I'm an enormous critic of Johnson and in particular his backroom team but now is not the time to be running him down the pressure is immense. On the whole Sunak has proved to be a gem, there is enormous sums of cash being made available and once the self employed/zero hours have been taken care of (which I expect in the coming days) honestly can't think of much more could have been done. I do think the private sector and local authorities are leading the way in terms of forced closures but I understand Boris' reluctance to enforce nationwide closures. Unfortunately the death toll may be the determining factor as to whether he comes through this based on the very obvious warnings from other countries, but for now he must be given the benefit of the doubt in the hope that he has played this one right. Steady on, that is far too balanced a view. Only time will tell whether Boris’ management of the crisis were reasonable. The thing is, this is absolutely unprecedented and there is no manual. I would be interested to learn what backgrounds many of the experts on here have that allows them to be so critical and knowledgeable and how their skills around making difficult major decisions have been developed. I imagine we must have lots of five star generals, captains of industry, contingency disaster planners and even Jeff Tracy from International Rescue to be so expect on matters. After all, it’s really easy to manage something like this isn’t it and get every decision flawlessly correct. Talking of 5 star generals, I would hope that the government are taking advice from the actual military top brass in conjunction with the scientists, obviously they won't have actual prior experience of this in particular but they have experience in crisis situations. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 10:30:10 GMT
"Catherine Calderwood, Scotland’s chief medical officer, said epidemiologists now estimated that an infected person could infect between four to six people, twice as many as previously thought. That could lead to “an explosion of cases”, she said." www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/22/scotland-schools-told-stop-pupils-attending-finish-coursework-nicola-sturgeonI noticed the paragraph above buried in this piece in the Guardian. Why is Scotland's chief medical officer saying something very different to what we were being told a few days ago, ie. that an infected person would ordinarily infect 1 to 2 people? That is the normal flu for this they have always said 3 people but its a new disease no one knows figures from china no new cases can not be trusted. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 10:33:21 GMT
If you think clipping the part where he says thats not what he thinks we should do isnt important I give up. The time line is rubbish did you read the imperial college paper what you still dont seem to understand is that there is no good income, if 10 people can infect 59,000 any lockdown isnt for weeks its months or longer and people will still die. If you think he's doing a good job, communicating clearly and setting the right tone then I truly give up. This isn't about party politics but it is about personality. Fuck the clown off and give it to a grown up like Sunak. They gave a clear message at the start wash your hands and everyone just took the piss, the message is clear people just arent listening. I am guessing you will go as nuts about this as an unquoted source in the times...... |
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Post by yeokel on Mar 23, 2020 10:38:16 GMT
Johnson is going to resign after this, I can’t see any other way. He’s making a complete shambles of it and when we are finally on our way out of this, I doubt he’s going to have the energy or desire to stand against the calls for his head. Time will tell, after the dead have been counted. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 10:38:18 GMT
If you think he's doing a good job, communicating clearly and setting the right tone then I truly give up. This isn't about party politics but it is about personality. Fuck the clown off and give it to a grown up like Sunak. They gave a clear message at the start wash your hands and everyone just took the piss, the message is clear people just arent listening. I am guessing you will go as nuts about this as an unquoted source in the times...... At least they're being tough in the right areas  www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-woman-cancer-home-office-ukraine-a9417171.html |
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 23, 2020 10:39:46 GMT
It was only a matter of time before the liberal left wankers jumped on this. Fucking tossers the lot of them.
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Post by Gods on Mar 23, 2020 11:00:36 GMT
"Catherine Calderwood, Scotland’s chief medical officer, said epidemiologists now estimated that an infected person could infect between four to six people, twice as many as previously thought. That could lead to “an explosion of cases”, she said." www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/22/scotland-schools-told-stop-pupils-attending-finish-coursework-nicola-sturgeonI noticed the paragraph above buried in this piece in the Guardian. Why is Scotland's chief medical officer saying something very different to what we were being told a few days ago, ie. that an infected person would ordinarily infect 1 to 2 people? A layman such as myself would imagine the infection pass on rate would depend entirely on the level of isolation and hygiene being deployed in any given area. So it might be 1 to 6 where it's business as usual or 1 to 2 in near lock down. So there is no one rate. It's not hard to imagine it's more infectious than flu, since it's fresh off the shelf no public immunity has built up. My guess is we can do what we can but the healing hands of time will need to play their part. It's a long game. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 23, 2020 11:00:42 GMT
Yes, it's not like they've had continuous warning's over the last two months, S Korea, that ship off Japan, Iran, Italy, what were they supposed to do prepare for the worst or sit there hoping? Yes they may have. Perhaps they are doing more than you think. Perhaps they are not completely stupid. It's simple to sit on the sidelines saying what should be happening when those judging don8 actually have to do anything and perhaps have an agenda. I'm not particularly a Boris supporter but I don't think it is time for sniping party politics. Wd could all do our bit by self isolation to protect the front line staff...but many of us are not. Not really. Ican remember when I was in the Police in Stoke , someone reported a young girl missing in the morning, by mid afternoon the father was asking why we had not got hundreds of police out looking for her. At any one time a " shift" to cover the Stoke south sub division consisted of 6 to8 people if you were lucky, that included Hartshill, Penkhull, Trent Vale, Trentham.....(by the evening she had turned up " at a friends"....this was not an isolated occurence)... If someone has genuine reservations about how this is being handled, it shouldn't be instantly dismissed as party politics. Even the most rabid of Labour supporters on this thread has just said that Conservative Rishi Sunak should be put in charge - so this is not party politics. No-one is asking for the Conservatives to be kicked out of office, or another general election. They are criticising the Prime Minister for being indecisive, weak and lacking in courage. That is my opinion of course, and you're fully entitled to disagree with it - it doesn't make me a Labour voter playing party politics, and you disagreeing doesn't make you a Tory establishment toff. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2020 11:12:03 GMT
Funny how those saying the information is not clear are absolutely clear what advice is being ignored.
We've all heard it a thousand times.
Wash your hands regularly for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. Don't touch your face.
Avoid unnecessary travel. If you can work from home do so. If you're not on the 'essential workers' list keep your kids out of school.
If you have any of the COVID19 symptoms particularly a consistent dry cough and/or high temperature however mild you should self isolate for 7 days alone or 14 days as a family/housemates.
Over 70's and those on the vulnerable list are to stay in and should be shielded from others. If family members/neighbours can provide supplies and medicines then great. If not there are designated slots from certain stores to shop at certain times. This is not perfect. PHE have identified 1.5m people who will receive a letter this week telling them why and how they should self isolate for 12 weeks. Their medicines and packages of essential food will be delivered coordinated by PHE, supermarkets and delivery services, possibly including the military.
We can go out but must keep 2 metres/6ft from anyone if you're living alone. If you're a couple or a family you can be together but keep 2 metres/6ft from anybody not in your family group.
if you do have symptoms view 111.NHS.uk for advice. If you deteriorate called 111.
Don't panic buy.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2020 11:12:05 GMT
If you think clipping the part where he says thats not what he thinks we should do isnt important I give up. The time line is rubbish did you read the imperial college paper what you still dont seem to understand is that there is no good income, if 10 people can infect 59,000 any lockdown isnt for weeks its months or longer and people will still die. If you think he's doing a good job, communicating clearly and setting the right tone then I truly give up. This isn't about party politics but it is about personality. Fuck the clown off and give it to a grown up like Sunak. The left on here were questioning Sunak's credentials to be Chancellor of the Exchequer three weeks ago  now they are calling for him to be PM, you really couldn't make this shit up, Johnson is having to deal a shit hand forced on him by the PRC they are the one's responsible for this pandemic. |
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Mar 23, 2020 11:14:05 GMT
Johnson is going to resign after this, I can’t see any other way. He’s making a complete shambles of it and when we are finally on our way out of this, I doubt he’s going to have the energy or desire to stand against the calls for his head. load of bollocks |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2020 11:18:33 GMT
Funny how those saying the information is not clear are absolutely clear what advice is being ignored. We've all heard it a thousand times. Wash your hands regularly for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. Don't touch your face. Avoid unnecessary travel. If you can work from home do so. If you're not on the 'essential workers' list keep your kids out of school. If you have any of the COVID19 symptoms particularly a consistent dry cough and/or high temperature however mild you should self isolate for 7 days alone or 14 days as a family/housemates. Over 70's and those on the vulnerable list are to stay in and should be shielded from others. If family members/neighbours can provide supplies and medicines then great. If not there are designated slots from certain stores to shop at certain times. This is not perfect. PHE have identified 1.5m people who will receive a letter this week telling them why and how they should self isolate for 12 weeks. Their medicines and packages of essential food will be delivered coordinated by PHE, supermarkets and delivery services, possibly including the military. We can go out but must keep 2 metres/6ft from anyone if you're living alone. If you're a couple or a family you can be together but keep 2 metres/6ft from anybody not in your family group. if you do have symptoms view 111.NHS.uk for advice. If you deteriorate called 111. Don't panic buy. Not rocket science is it yet loads of thick greedy selfish bastards continue to ignore what is after all basic common sense. All shops etc. blatantly profiteering now need to be named and shamed, when if ever we get back to normal people should refuse to use the business's guilty of taking advantage and put the greedy twats out of business. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 11:18:39 GMT
We have created such an avaricious and selfish society that this is simply a pipe dream.
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 11:27:47 GMT
Johnson is going to resign after this, I can’t see any other way. He’s making a complete shambles of it and when we are finally on our way out of this, I doubt he’s going to have the energy or desire to stand against the calls for his head. load of bollocks Anyone using the coronavirus as a political weapon because “their” party were humiliated in the last election is a ......... massive weapon. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 23, 2020 11:37:53 GMT
Funny how those saying the information is not clear are absolutely clear what advice is being ignored. We've all heard it a thousand times. Wash your hands regularly for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. Don't touch your face. Avoid unnecessary travel. If you can work from home do so. If you're not on the 'essential workers' list keep your kids out of school. If you have any of the COVID19 symptoms particularly a consistent dry cough and/or high temperature however mild you should self isolate for 7 days alone or 14 days as a family/housemates. Over 70's and those on the vulnerable list are to stay in and should be shielded from others. If family members/neighbours can provide supplies and medicines then great. If not there are designated slots from certain stores to shop at certain times. This is not perfect. PHE have identified 1.5m people who will receive a letter this week telling them why and how they should self isolate for 12 weeks. Their medicines and packages of essential food will be delivered coordinated by PHE, supermarkets and delivery services, possibly including the military. We can go out but must keep 2 metres/6ft from anyone if you're living alone. If you're a couple or a family you can be together but keep 2 metres/6ft from anybody not in your family group. if you do have symptoms view 111.NHS.uk for advice. If you deteriorate called 111. Don't panic buy. Yep, I think we are at about warp factor 7 at the moment. The 1.5 million letters landing on door mats tomorrow morning is a whoppa, they will frighten the recipients shitless and will take it to warp factor 8. You could make the current advice mandatory and attempt to police it and that would take it to 9. Would it make much difference or just deflect key workers who knows. Warp factor 10 is terminal velocity from my Star Trek days. I suppose that would mean things like closing down public transport and even supermarkets for a time with massive knock on effects. We've already crashed the economy and it won't recover for a decade at least and that will cost lives as it is. There are still lots of other terrible diseases out there which need treating, 650,000 folks will die in the UK this year as they do every year with or without corona so it really is a tight rope of a balancing act. I can't see any mileage in making political capital out of it. |
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Post by theincontinents on Mar 23, 2020 11:37:57 GMT
It was only a matter of time before the liberal left wankers jumped on this. Fucking tossers the lot of them. That’s helpful then. This is the most serious situation any of us have ever faced that will only be solved by cooperation, selflessness and taking the politics out of this crisis. I think we all know who the wanker is now on this thread! |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 11:46:14 GMT
Yes they may have. Perhaps they are doing more than you think. Perhaps they are not completely stupid. It's simple to sit on the sidelines saying what should be happening when those judging don8 actually have to do anything and perhaps have an agenda. I'm not particularly a Boris supporter but I don't think it is time for sniping party politics. Wd could all do our bit by self isolation to protect the front line staff...but many of us are not. Not really. Ican remember when I was in the Police in Stoke , someone reported a young girl missing in the morning, by mid afternoon the father was asking why we had not got hundreds of police out looking for her. At any one time a " shift" to cover the Stoke south sub division consisted of 6 to8 people if you were lucky, that included Hartshill, Penkhull, Trent Vale, Trentham.....(by the evening she had turned up " at a friends"....this was not an isolated occurence)... If someone has genuine reservations about how this is being handled, it shouldn't be instantly dismissed as party politics. Even the most rabid of Labour supporters on this thread has just said that Conservative Rishi Sunak should be put in charge - so this is not party politics. No-one is asking for the Conservatives to be kicked out of office, or another general election. They are criticising the Prime Minister for being indecisive, weak and lacking in courage. That is my opinion of course, and you're fully entitled to disagree with it - it doesn't make me a Labour voter playing party politics, and you disagreeing doesn't make you a Tory establishment toff. I do think that SOME people will take every opportunity to play party politics but of course you are correct that everyone is entitled to their opinion/ criticism and indeed it may not be party politics..I totally accept that.. My opinion is that it is easy to criticise from the sidelines and at the moment Boris is doing ok. Rishi will have his time. Unprecedented times for any leader and we need to heed his advice which has been pretty clear to me....and unfortunately I think will have to go to the next stage. Specifically on protective clothing every developed country in the world is after them. Your argument reminds me of the reverse of the arguments that have taken place when trying to discuss Islam ....of course SOME people may be racist but that's no need to shut the debate down as many on the left try to do....but that's a debate for another day. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 11:47:23 GMT
Anyone using the coronavirus as a political weapon because “their” party were humiliated in the last election is a ......... massive weapon. Amended it. |
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Post by serpico on Mar 23, 2020 11:48:56 GMT
Politics is a kind of virus in itself, once it infects someone they see everything through that prism and use everything that happens as a way of confirming their bias, it makes it hard to judge whether the criticism of Johnson is valid or just partisan bullshit.
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 23, 2020 11:52:24 GMT
This isn’t a political crisis it’s a global crisis. A few days ago it was follow Germany, now they are escalating a week ago it was follow Korea now they are having a second wave. There is no definable solution to this we are dealing with a virus that has no consciousness no political affiliation and doesn’t care if you followed all the rules laid out by your countries health authorities or the WHO. If this little fucker gets a hold of anyone, young, old, fit, infirm, it doesn’t care. The best thing to do is to take your best precautions don’t be selfish and if possible assist others. Turn into work until told otherwise if you feel your job may be having a positive effect no matter how big or small, it may make the difference for somebody between life and death. If you fix cars it might be an emergency workers or a carers, if your a plumber or a spark you might be the difference between somebody having no hot water or electricity. Your company may make parts indirectly for ventilators or hospitals beds. Don’t socialise needlessly and look after yourselves and family. When all this is over I want to look to my left and right in the boothen and and hopefully see the same faces, then after the match log on here and argue the finer points between Smith and Edwards etc.
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Post by march4 on Mar 23, 2020 11:58:01 GMT
Johnson is going to resign after this, I can’t see any other way. He’s making a complete shambles of it and when we are finally on our way out of this, I doubt he’s going to have the energy or desire to stand against the calls for his head. Or he will be the most popular prime minister in history. The world will be a very different place when this is over. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 12:01:55 GMT
As a team effort Matt Hancock seems to be doing ok....in the circumstances....doesn't he?
The most challenging crisis since the second world war....goes without saying.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 12:03:53 GMT
Anyone using the coronavirus as a political weapon because “their” party were humiliated in the last election is a ......... massive weapon. What the fuck is it it with Tories and scrutiny. This is Politics writ large and the clown in charge hasn't got a fucking clue. |
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 12:10:18 GMT
Johnson is going to resign after this, I can’t see any other way. He’s making a complete shambles of it and when we are finally on our way out of this, I doubt he’s going to have the energy or desire to stand against the calls for his head. Or he will be the most popular prime minister in history. The world will be a very different place when this is over. It definitely will mate. Hopefully for the better. It’s certainly shone a light on certain aspects of society and made us realise how lucky we are for everything we take for granted. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 12:13:04 GMT
From a different message board....
"Please read and inwardly digest, My paramedic daughter has got the virus and my student paramedic granddaughter is showing symptoms.
Remember the heroes in the NHS, we need them desperately.
As for the immature and silly kids who we saw in a group last night with bags of beer. The younger generation is no longer safe. Not absolutely local to us but in Cheshire. Bloody well grow up and grow up fast or you may never join the older generation.
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We know this family very well, it was shock to read it this morning. I can truly say I'm concerned about them. All paramedic's are our frontline people, without them we're well and truly stuffed. Please keep you children/teenagers away form friends, we don't want to become the second Italy.
I've not posted this to frighten or alarm people, just to say it really is happening to people we know.😞😞A friend posted this today.
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 12:13:10 GMT
Anyone using the coronavirus as a political weapon because “their” party were humiliated in the last election is a ......... massive weapon. What the fuck is it it with Tories and scrutiny. This is Politics writ large and the clown in charge hasn't got a fucking clue. He’s done well to try and balance the economy and the pandemic. Shutting everything down = nothing left once the pandemic is over. Sensible British thinking. We’re either all in it together or you’re out on your own. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 12:15:35 GMT
Simple advice that may be effective e ,copied from a different message board
"I have just cut my nails. This is to make sure that when I wash my hands with soap and water there aren't any germs hiding under my nails. Washing your hands thoroughly with soap and water is the gold standard. The coronavirus has a fatty layer than is dissolved by soap/detergent, killing the virus".
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now they are calling for him to be PM, you really couldn't make this shit up, Johnson is having to deal a shit hand forced on him by the PRC they are the one's responsible for this pandemic.
