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Post by felonious on Mar 23, 2020 6:09:14 GMT
Truth or opinion or do you really believe everything you say is correct? Quit now pal for your mental sanity. I am fortunate that in dealing with my lad for 22 years I've had the best training in not needing the last word. He is growing out of the condition, he allows me Father's Day and my birthday, some never do  |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 23, 2020 7:02:53 GMT
Blimey, at a time like this, we've got somebody with the maturity of a 10 year old leading the free world, pathetic ... I said this to my mate last week what a time to have Trump and Johnson in charge |
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 23, 2020 7:13:30 GMT
Blimey, at a time like this, we've got somebody with the maturity of a 10 year old leading the free world, pathetic ... Acts like a hormonal teenager at the best of times but his response to the virus has been particularly pitiful. His initial response was to pretend it wasn't happening (as his number 1 priority above everything else is the stock market) but has now moved on to his 'Greatest ever president' mode. I'm waiting for him to declare that he's saved the world. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2020 7:18:23 GMT
Blimey, at a time like this, we've got somebody with the maturity of a 10 year old leading the free world, pathetic ... I said this to my mate last week what a time to have Trump and Johnson in charge Because the alternatives were so much better  Clinton and Corbyn  |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 23, 2020 7:24:36 GMT
Went into work today and spoke to my area manager at 5.45 and I was back home by 6.30 after being granted 4 weeks off. I'm not taking any chances with this thing.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 7:29:06 GMT
I think that this could prove to be a major issue Momo, for health workers but also possibly other frontline staff. I'm not sure how the government, any government, can acquire the hundreds of thousands of sets of protective equipment in such a short time( perhaps someone who knows better such as estranged could enlighten us on this).I'd hope that they are trying to get as many as possible ( and ventilation kits) right now.I don't think that Corbyn or a Labour government would do any better, but I suppose they have the luxury of being a critic from the sidelines ,without responsibility.I think that most people will understand the task facing him and the degree of scrutiny of social media. |
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 7:34:11 GMT
My wife is classed as a key worker. She’s been told to work from home. Nursery are refusing to take our 3 year old because she’s working from home but she’ll be on video conference calls all day with a 3 year old climbing on her head. They just need to shut everything down for a couple of weeks because the confusion caused by all of this is making it worse.
I’ll be on a building site trying to stay 2 metres from everyone else 🥴
Just shut the lot down ffs.
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 7:34:51 GMT
Yet they’re all being sent to work today |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 23, 2020 7:39:56 GMT
They are receiving advice but not acting upon it, this is now clear. ... and we have yet another expert. I never said I was an expert Clem. I'm simply pointing out what we know now, that this government ignored the vast majority of experts. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 7:42:49 GMT
Doesnt matter how many times it gets posted its still fake |
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Post by henry on Mar 23, 2020 7:53:56 GMT
Really? Which is just bullshit really and why I’ve hated this caveat from the off. It’s callous bollocks. At the end of the day people that still had good years left are dying when they don’t need to. It’s why I was furious however many days ago when they mentioned the herd immunity stuff and have been since with the inadequate response. We were in a wonderful position to really curtail this and just fucked it up. I've not seen the list but I'd imagine it's referring Rheumatoid Arthritis, which is an autoimmune disorder, rather than Osteoarthritis which is the wear and tear kind many of us have. Just to clarify. I’ve not seen it on a list, it was mentioned by a newsreader when they were reading out the UHC’s of someone who had died. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 8:11:25 GMT
Doesnt matter how many times it gets posted its still fake I agree. Taken out of context. It really weakens the argument when people post fabricated content. There's more than enough to beat Boris with, without resorting to fake news. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 23, 2020 8:16:08 GMT
I think that this could prove to be a major issue Momo, for health workers but also possibly other frontline staff. I'm not sure how the government, any government, can acquire the hundreds of thousands of sets of protective equipment in such a short time( perhaps someone who knows better such as estranged could enlighten us on this).I'd hope that they are trying to get as many as possible ( and ventilation kits) right now.I don't think that Corbyn or a Labour government would do any better, but I suppose they have the luxury of being a critic from the sidelines ,without responsibility.I think that most people will understand the task facing him and the degree of scrutiny of social media. Yes, it's not like they've had continuous warning's over the last two months, S Korea, that ship off Japan, Iran, Italy, what were they supposed to do prepare for the worst or sit there hoping? |
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 8:26:14 GMT
They’ve just closed my site, all Electrical pulled off site.
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Post by theincontinents on Mar 23, 2020 8:27:16 GMT
I can see that over last 50 or so pages that there is a lot of confusion regarding what does or doesn’t constitute an underlying condition. The reason nobody can give absolute clarity on this is that this sort of thing can only be determined by the retrospective analysis of 1000’s of deaths. So the best advice can be no more then best guess at the present time, so here is the link to the official government advice regarding underlying conditions: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/people-at-higher-risk.htmlStay safe |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 23, 2020 8:33:23 GMT
Not sure if it's been posted before, here is a link to that full story that generated the headlines about Cummings. www.thegwpf.com/inside-no-10-ten-days-that-shook-britain-and-changed-the-nation-for-ever/Aside from the Cummings point, one thing that I don't understand is that the whole article talks of a grand moment of dawning realisation last weekend that we would have to go into shutdown. But still it took five days for anything to actually close down. The GWPF are basically the global warming equivalent of all those team Trump people saying the coronavirus was a hoax "we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine" (Jan 22) and "Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" (Feb 24) They're a bunch of distorting bullshitters and I wouldn't believe a thing they say. I think it's a direct copy of the Times article that was printed yesterday. As that story was behind a paywall, I posted it as it is a free way of reading the whole story. Must admit didn't realise the website was a crock of shit, and didn't really look at the website as the story was a copy and paste job. But good to know - thanks for the heads up! |
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Post by henry on Mar 23, 2020 8:35:36 GMT
They’ve just closed my site, all Electrical pulled off site. Appart from essential jobs everywhere should be closed down. I really don’t get what we are doing. It feels like we are just hanging around waiting for the peak to hit us. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 23, 2020 8:41:28 GMT
They’ve just closed my site, all Electrical pulled off site. Appart from essential jobs everywhere should be closed down. I really don’t get what we are doing. It feels like we are just hanging around waiting for the peak to hit us. "I dont know what all the fuss is about" The governments similarities with how scfc have been run in recent seasons is uncanny. I like boris but ffs grow a pair and lock people in instead of 'advising' not to do this, that & the other. Pay the wages and go into lock down, it's really beginning to show they dont give two fucks about 'the herd' its more to do with money. A slight cull of the frail might ease the housing crisis too what's not to like? |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 23, 2020 8:44:37 GMT
I'm back on my training course today and we have new starters aswell, they wont shut down until they are told too
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Post by zerps on Mar 23, 2020 9:06:28 GMT
They’ve just closed my site, all Electrical pulled off site. Appart from essential jobs everywhere should be closed down. I really don’t get what we are doing. It feels like we are just hanging around waiting for the peak to hit us. Tell the powers that be. |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 23, 2020 9:18:15 GMT
Appart from essential jobs everywhere should be closed down. I really don’t get what we are doing. It feels like we are just hanging around waiting for the peak to hit us. Tell the powers that be. Nearly a full house here today, crazy. One has asked for time off and the big man has said no....🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2020 9:23:28 GMT
Went into work today and spoke to my area manager at 5.45 and I was back home by 6.30 after being granted 4 weeks off. I'm not taking any chances with this thing. Saw on the news this morning that they expect the lockdown here to last at least another 8 weeks. Until most people are immune (already survived it) or a proper treatment/cure is available, I don't see how everything can return to how it was. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 9:34:19 GMT
Johnson is going to resign after this, I can’t see any other way. He’s making a complete shambles of it and when we are finally on our way out of this, I doubt he’s going to have the energy or desire to stand against the calls for his head.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 23, 2020 9:34:59 GMT
I think that this could prove to be a major issue Momo, for health workers but also possibly other frontline staff. I'm not sure how the government, any government, can acquire the hundreds of thousands of sets of protective equipment in such a short time( perhaps someone who knows better such as estranged could enlighten us on this).I'd hope that they are trying to get as many as possible ( and ventilation kits) right now.I don't think that Corbyn or a Labour government would do any better, but I suppose they have the luxury of being a critic from the sidelines ,without responsibility.I think that most people will understand the task facing him and the degree of scrutiny of social media. Yes, it's not like they've had continuous warning's over the last two months, S Korea, that ship off Japan, Iran, Italy, what were they supposed to do prepare for the worst or sit there hoping? Yes they may have. Perhaps they are doing more than you think. Perhaps they are not completely stupid. It's simple to sit on the sidelines saying what should be happening when those judging don8 actually have to do anything and perhaps have an agenda. I'm not particularly a Boris supporter but I don't think it is time for sniping party politics. Wd could all do our bit by self isolation to protect the front line staff...but many of us are not. Not really. Ican remember when I was in the Police in Stoke , someone reported a young girl missing in the morning, by mid afternoon the father was asking why we had not got hundreds of police out looking for her. At any one time a " shift" to cover the Stoke south sub division consisted of 6 to8 people if you were lucky, that included Hartshill, Penkhull, Trent Vale, Trentham.....(by the evening she had turned up " at a friends"....this was not an isolated occurence)... |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2020 9:37:19 GMT
Fit, healthy, young and dying. This one should be headline on the BBC imho, because this tells us (employers, public, politicians, managers) everything we need to know about this virus. "A 36-year-old nurse described as “normally fit and healthy” is critically ill in intensive care after contracting coronavirus. Areema Nasreen is on a ventilator at Walsall Manor hospital in the West Midlands where she has worked for 16 years. Her family say Nasreen, who has three children, and lives in Walsall, has no underlying health issues and first developed symptoms including body aches, a fever and a cough 10 days ago. She tested positive for the virus on Friday." www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/fit-healthy-36-year-old-uk-nurse-intensive-care-coronavirus |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 9:43:30 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 23, 2020 9:50:39 GMT
I'm not sure that right now is the time to be having the left/right arguement.
That time will come after the event, and ultimately it will be trial by hindsight.
I'm an enormous critic of Johnson and in particular his backroom team but now is not the time to be running him down the pressure is immense.
On the whole Sunak has proved to be a gem, there is enormous sums of cash being made available and once the self employed/zero hours have been taken care of (which I expect in the coming days) honestly can't think of much more could have been done.
I do think the private sector and local authorities are leading the way in terms of forced closures but I understand Boris' reluctance to enforce nationwide closures.
Unfortunately the death toll may be the determining factor as to whether he comes through this based on the very obvious warnings from other countries, but for now he must be given the benefit of the doubt in the hope that he has played this one right.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 23, 2020 10:05:13 GMT
Yes, it's not like they've had continuous warning's over the last two months, S Korea, that ship off Japan, Iran, Italy, what were they supposed to do prepare for the worst or sit there hoping? Yes they may have. Perhaps they are doing more than you think. Perhaps they are not completely stupid. It's simple to sit on the sidelines saying what should be happening when those judging don8 actually have to do anything and perhaps have an agenda. I'm not particularly a Boris supporter but I don't think it is time for sniping party politics. Wd could all do our bit by self isolation to protect the front line staff...but many of us are not. Not really. Ican remember when I was in the Police in Stoke , someone reported a young girl missing in the morning, by mid afternoon the father was asking why we had not got hundreds of police out looking for her. At any one time a " shift" to cover the Stoke south sub division consisted of 6 to8 people if you were lucky, that included Hartshill, Penkhull, Trent Vale, Trentham.....(by the evening she had turned up " at a friends"....this was not an isolated occurence)... There’s no party politics from me and it’s hardly sniping pointing out the way to defeat this and the tools needed! They’ve already said we may not have the tools! Don’t have the tools and large numbers will die! |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 23, 2020 10:05:30 GMT
I'm not sure that right now is the time to be having the left/right arguement. That time will come after the event, and ultimately it will be trial by hindsight. I'm an enormous critic of Johnson and in particular his backroom team but now is not the time to be running him down the pressure is immense. On the whole Sunak has proved to be a gem, there is enormous sums of cash being made available and once the self employed/zero hours have been taken care of (which I expect in the coming days) honestly can't think of much more could have been done. I do think the private sector and local authorities are leading the way in terms of forced closures but I understand Boris' reluctance to enforce nationwide closures. Unfortunately the death toll may be the determining factor as to whether he comes through this based on the very obvious warnings from other countries, but for now he must be given the benefit of the doubt in the hope that he has played this one right. Steady on, that is far too balanced a view. Only time will tell whether Boris’ management of the crisis was reasonable. The thing is, this is absolutely unprecedented and there is no manual. I would be interested to learn what backgrounds many of the experts on here have that allows them to be so critical and knowledgeable and how their skills around making difficult major decisions have been developed. I imagine we must have lots of five star generals, captains of industry, contingency disaster planners and even Jeff Tracy from International Rescue to be so expert on matters. After all, it’s really easy to manage something like this isn’t it and get every decision flawlessly correct. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 10:06:40 GMT
If you think clipping the part where he says thats not what he thinks we should do isnt important I give up. The time line is rubbish did you read the imperial college paper what you still dont seem to understand is that there is no good income, if 10 people can infect 59,000 any lockdown isnt for weeks its months or longer and people will still die. |
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