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Post by superjw on Mar 9, 2021 10:28:41 GMT
I see Whitty and Vallance are at it again, with their doom and gloom being wheeled out to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme. He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die. "What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are." "Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says. Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them". He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown". I've had this on in the background, Prof Whitty was then pointed towards us having one of the best vaccination programmes on the planet - meaning his references to Europe now and us last year are relatively irrelevant. They have been pressed on this timeline again - it's clear that nothing will be expedited in terms of the 5 week gap. But what's in each bucket is down to ministers. Someone in the government must be wondering what public compliance and attitude will be if we get to the end of April and infections and deaths are and remain at very low levels with a very big chunk of adults having their first jabs - especially if we have a late Easter/early May heatwave.
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Post by foster on Mar 9, 2021 10:30:16 GMT
Just keep attention on whatever problem they can long enough to keep deflecting from other stuff and avoid answering questions. All those fuckers earning a fortune over the past years while brexit dragged on and on and now they'll hang onto covid for as long as possible. Then they'll no doubt find something else. Anything to avoid being held to account regarding important uk/local issues. I think this Government is an absolute joke and handled the crisis (aside from the furlough scheme and vaccine rollout) abysmally.. But to suggest that they want this situation to continue as long as possible is in my opinion nonsense. My point being that they milk every opportunity to avoid discussing and focusing on specific local UK issues. Of course they don't want covid to go on forever, but they'll find something else to deflect to once the covid dust has settled.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2021 10:33:11 GMT
I see Whitty and Vallance are at it again, with their doom and gloom being wheeled out to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme. He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die. "What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are." "Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says. Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them". He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown". I've had this on in the background, Prof Whitty was then pointed towards us having one of the best vaccination programmes on the planet - meaning his references to Europe now and us last year are relatively irrelevant. They have been pressed on this timeline again - it's clear that nothing will be expedited in terms of the 5 week gap. But what's in each bucket is down to ministers. Someone in the government must be wondering what public compliance and attitude will be if we get to the end of April and infections and deaths are and remain at very low levels with a very big chunk of adults having their first jabs - especially if we have a late Easter/early May heatwave. Them pair are going to be rightfully cautious, it's their job to be. People shouldn't get hung about it.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 9, 2021 10:38:12 GMT
I see Whitty and Vallance are at it again, with their doom and gloom being wheeled out to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme. He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die. "What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are." "Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says. Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them". He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown". I've had this on in the background, Prof Whitty was then pointed towards us having one of the best vaccination programmes on the planet - meaning his references to Europe now and us last year are relatively irrelevant. They have been pressed on this timeline again - it's clear that nothing will be expedited in terms of the 5 week gap. But what's in each bucket is down to ministers. Someone in the government must be wondering what public compliance and attitude will be if we get to the end of April and infections and deaths are and remain at very low levels with a very big chunk of adults having their first jabs - especially if we have a late Easter/early May heatwave. Absolutely spot on. Why is he comparing us to the rest of Europe, when he knows how quickly and how successful our vaccination programme has been? We are streets ahead of the rest of Europe. The key will be the next 4/5 weeks in terms of opening up. I think if the figures remain as they are now, or even just similar, there will be huge pressure to bring things forward by a week or two at each stage.
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Post by superjw on Mar 9, 2021 10:39:58 GMT
I've had this on in the background, Prof Whitty was then pointed towards us having one of the best vaccination programmes on the planet - meaning his references to Europe now and us last year are relatively irrelevant. They have been pressed on this timeline again - it's clear that nothing will be expedited in terms of the 5 week gap. But what's in each bucket is down to ministers. Someone in the government must be wondering what public compliance and attitude will be if we get to the end of April and infections and deaths are and remain at very low levels with a very big chunk of adults having their first jabs - especially if we have a late Easter/early May heatwave. Them pair are going to be rightfully cautious, it's their job to be. People shouldn't get hung about it. It is their job to be cautious, but that doesn't make them immune from being challenged for their timelines. Something ministers and others in the science community are now doing. Quite rightly, there is a challenge from Scotland that their gap is shorter than Englands 5 weeks - why the difference when the data is the same? Considering we are over 100 days at a minimum from us being back to some normality and business getting back up and running, it's right these pair be challenged if we are doing far better than expected.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2021 10:43:54 GMT
Them pair are going to be rightfully cautious, it's their job to be. People shouldn't get hung about it. It is their job to be cautious, but that doesn't make them immune from being challenged for their timelines. Something ministers and others in the science community are now doing. Quite rightly, there is a challenge from Scotland that their gap is shorter than Englands 5 weeks - why the difference when the data is the same? Considering we are over 100 days at a minimum from us being back to some normality and business getting back up and running, it's right these pair be challenged if we are doing far better than expected. Challenged yes, the mard arsing on here? Nah. The plan seems fine and I don't get why people want to rush it. There's no need to rush it what so ever.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 10:47:02 GMT
Them pair are going to be rightfully cautious, it's their job to be. People shouldn't get hung about it. It is their job to be cautious, but that doesn't make them immune from being challenged for their timelines. Something ministers and others in the science community are now doing. Quite rightly, there is a challenge from Scotland that their gap is shorter than Englands 5 weeks - why the difference when the data is the same? Considering we are over 100 days at a minimum from us being back to some normality and business getting back up and running, it's right these pair be challenged if we are doing far better than expected. The government would probably want to challenge the science and move quicker if possible but they've been burnt twice before by not listening to the science and have been publicly criticised for it. They can't win either way.
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Post by musik on Mar 9, 2021 10:47:36 GMT
TEGNELL WAS NOT OPTIMISTIC AT ALL Today on Agenda late news on tv Anders Tegnell from FHM Sweden wasn't optimistic at all. According to their worst case scenario they think the 3rd wave will be more than twice as serious than any wave we've had so far. Practically, it would mean 2 million mew Corona cases within this little country of ours, 25000 further dead prople and a quarter of a million new invalids or long covid cases. The effect of any vaccines won't come until July at best, he said. All depends on how careful we'll be in March to June. I will stay indoors 98.5 % of the time the rest of this winter and the whole spring. 😷 How has the 3rd wave in England been compared to the 1st and the 2nd?
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 9, 2021 10:59:20 GMT
I've had this on in the background, Prof Whitty was then pointed towards us having one of the best vaccination programmes on the planet - meaning his references to Europe now and us last year are relatively irrelevant. They have been pressed on this timeline again - it's clear that nothing will be expedited in terms of the 5 week gap. But what's in each bucket is down to ministers. Someone in the government must be wondering what public compliance and attitude will be if we get to the end of April and infections and deaths are and remain at very low levels with a very big chunk of adults having their first jabs - especially if we have a late Easter/early May heatwave. Absolutely spot on. Why is he comparing us to the rest of Europe, when he knows how quickly and how successful our vaccination programme has been? We are streets ahead of the rest of Europe. The key will be the next 4/5 weeks in terms of opening up. I think if the figures remain as they are now, or even just similar, there will be huge pressure to bring things forward by a week or two at each stage. I don't know how many times it has to be said, the dates aren't going to change. We have a timeline and they're going to stick to it. Compliance will waver and that will have been calculated into things, all this dates can be extended is just scare tactics to try and keep compliance for as long as possible. We're 3 months away from relatively normality. They're not gonna fuck this up now.
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2021 11:10:31 GMT
You automatically get a 2nd date when you book your first jab When I had mine about a month ago I was told they will contact me when to have my second jab Same with my lad just his first dose no date for the second.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 9, 2021 11:12:08 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Why is he comparing us to the rest of Europe, when he knows how quickly and how successful our vaccination programme has been? We are streets ahead of the rest of Europe. The key will be the next 4/5 weeks in terms of opening up. I think if the figures remain as they are now, or even just similar, there will be huge pressure to bring things forward by a week or two at each stage. I don't know how many times it has to be said, the dates aren't going to change. We have a timeline and they're going to stick to it. Compliance will waver and that will have been calculated into things, all this dates can be extended is just scare tactics to try and keep compliance for as long as possible. We're 3 months away from relatively normality. They're not gonna fuck this up now. I never said they were going to change, I just said that if things keep improving as they are, they will come under huge pressure. For example, there's some talk this morning of large deliveries/quantities of the Oxford/AZ vaccine coming in this week, which means we will be able to substantially increase the amount of doses administered from next week. If we can get people jabbed quicker, it means the data will come in quicker in terms of how effective it is in the community, and so a discussion could possibly be had about expediting things. It's all conjecture at this point, but it's good that people are asking the question. As you say, worst case scenario is May 17, we will be back to pretty much normal bar social distancing and reduced crowds for events.
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Post by westlandstokie on Mar 9, 2021 11:13:36 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Why is he comparing us to the rest of Europe, when he knows how quickly and how successful our vaccination programme has been? We are streets ahead of the rest of Europe. The key will be the next 4/5 weeks in terms of opening up. I think if the figures remain as they are now, or even just similar, there will be huge pressure to bring things forward by a week or two at each stage. I don't know how many times it has to be said, the dates aren't going to change. We have a timeline and they're going to stick to it. Compliance will waver and that will have been calculated into things, all this dates can be extended is just scare tactics to try and keep compliance for as long as possible. We're 3 months away from relatively normality. They're not gonna fuck this up now. Whitty and Vallance have been full of doom and gloom since day one. They can’t help it...it’s how they operate in their profession...extreme caution. But it’s all ifs, buts and maybes with them. Just ignore them.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 11:33:59 GMT
I don't know how many times it has to be said, the dates aren't going to change. We have a timeline and they're going to stick to it. Compliance will waver and that will have been calculated into things, all this dates can be extended is just scare tactics to try and keep compliance for as long as possible. We're 3 months away from relatively normality. They're not gonna fuck this up now. For example, there's some talk this morning of large deliveries/quantities of the Oxford/AZ vaccine coming in this week, which means we will be able to substantially increase the amount of doses administered from next week. If we can get people jabbed quicker, it means the data will come in quicker in terms of how effective it is in the community, and so a discussion could possibly be had about expediting things. This has already been factored into the vaccination timescales. The last 2 weeks we've been below the targets due to supply issues. They knew they'd have a improved supply from mid March / early April and that was already factored in.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 9, 2021 11:40:29 GMT
For example, there's some talk this morning of large deliveries/quantities of the Oxford/AZ vaccine coming in this week, which means we will be able to substantially increase the amount of doses administered from next week. If we can get people jabbed quicker, it means the data will come in quicker in terms of how effective it is in the community, and so a discussion could possibly be had about expediting things. This has already been factored into the vaccination timescales. The last 2 weeks we've been below the targets due to supply issues. They knew they'd have a improved supply from mid March / early April and that was already factored in. Can you show me some evidence of this? I'd like to see that they factored this in to the roadmap/vaccination programme. See crouch potato's post from the previous page earlier on this morning
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 11:47:33 GMT
This has already been factored into the vaccination timescales. The last 2 weeks we've been below the targets due to supply issues. They knew they'd have a improved supply from mid March / early April and that was already factored in. Can you show me some evidence of this? I'd like to see that they factored this in to the roadmap/vaccination programme. See crouch potato's post from the previous page earlier on this morning Work out how many 1st doses they need to be doing per day to reach the mid April target to Vaccinate all the over 50s etc then look at how many they've actually been doing since middle of Feb. To meet the original target supply had to be increased and was already factored in otherwise the target wouldn't be met.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 9, 2021 11:54:24 GMT
Can you show me some evidence of this? I'd like to see that they factored this in to the roadmap/vaccination programme. See crouch potato's post from the previous page earlier on this morning Work out how many 1st doses they need to be doing per day to reach the mid April target to Vaccinate all the over 50s etc then look at how many they've actually been doing since middle of Feb. To meet the original target supply had to be increased and was already factored in otherwise the target wouldn't be met. Ok so you think you've worked out how the NHS have planned to administer doses, which is great. But could you actually show me that they factored this in to the roadmap/vaccination programme? As mentioned previously: "More good vaccine news is coming, I can reveal. The NHS is expecting a significant increase of supply to arrive from AstraZeneca, and will roll it out from March 15. Jabs will increase to close to 500,000 every day, or up from around 2 million a week now to 3 million." "o match the increase in supply, vaccine centres being expanded and NHS stewards asked to volunteer for more shifts. Officals are cautious, but the maths suggests all over 50s (groups 1-9) may now be jabbed by the end of March - two weeks early. More on @timesradio after 8am."
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 12:00:22 GMT
Work out how many 1st doses they need to be doing per day to reach the mid April target to Vaccinate all the over 50s etc then look at how many they've actually been doing since middle of Feb. To meet the original target supply had to be increased and was already factored in otherwise the target wouldn't be met. Ok so you think you've worked out how the NHS have planned to administer doses, which is great. But could you actually show me that they factored this in to the roadmap/vaccination programme? As mentioned previously: "More good vaccine news is coming, I can reveal. The NHS is expecting a significant increase of supply to arrive from AstraZeneca, and will roll it out from March 15. Jabs will increase to close to 500,000 every day, or up from around 2 million a week now to 3 million." "o match the increase in supply, vaccine centres being expanded and NHS stewards asked to volunteer for more shifts. Officals are cautious, but the maths suggests all over 50s (groups 1-9) may now be jabbed by the end of March - two weeks early. More on @timesradio after 8am." Yes I've read that and nowhere does it say that this wasn't factored in. We were doing 3m first doses a week before mid Feb, now we're doing on average 2.3m first doses a week. Don't forget that 2nd doses are going to have to be stepped up massively in the next few weeks. If supply had remained how it is now there's not a cat in hells chance they'd be able to meet the mid April target whilst seriously ramping up 2nd doses. Its basic maths.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 9, 2021 12:13:08 GMT
Ok so you think you've worked out how the NHS have planned to administer doses, which is great. But could you actually show me that they factored this in to the roadmap/vaccination programme? As mentioned previously: "More good vaccine news is coming, I can reveal. The NHS is expecting a significant increase of supply to arrive from AstraZeneca, and will roll it out from March 15. Jabs will increase to close to 500,000 every day, or up from around 2 million a week now to 3 million." "o match the increase in supply, vaccine centres being expanded and NHS stewards asked to volunteer for more shifts. Officals are cautious, but the maths suggests all over 50s (groups 1-9) may now be jabbed by the end of March - two weeks early. More on @timesradio after 8am." Yes I've read that and nowhere does it say that this wasn't factored in. We were doing 3m first doses a week before mid Feb, now we're doing on average 2.3m first doses a week. Don't forget that 2nd doses are going to have to be stepped up massively in the next few weeks. If supply had remained how it is now there's not a cat in hells chance they'd be able to meet the mid April target whilst seriously ramping up 2nd doses. Its basic maths. Yes it is basic maths, and you're right that in that tweet it doesn't say anywhere that it wasn't factored in. However, if officials are cautiously optimistic that they will be able to get all over 50's x1 jab by the end of March, why are the government and yourself still referring to the mid April target? That's because it wasn't factored in. Mid April was the target all along, but now with the news of the supply increase, there could be an opportunity to speed things up by a couple of weeks. You see what i'm getting at here?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 12:20:27 GMT
Yes I've read that and nowhere does it say that this wasn't factored in. We were doing 3m first doses a week before mid Feb, now we're doing on average 2.3m first doses a week. Don't forget that 2nd doses are going to have to be stepped up massively in the next few weeks. If supply had remained how it is now there's not a cat in hells chance they'd be able to meet the mid April target whilst seriously ramping up 2nd doses. Its basic maths. Yes it is basic maths, and you're right that in that tweet it doesn't say anywhere that it wasn't factored in. However, if officials are cautiously optimistic that they will be able to get all over 50's x1 jab by the end of March, why are the government and yourself still referring to the mid April target? That's because it wasn't factored in. Mid April was the target all along, but now with the news of the supply increase, there could be an opportunity to speed things up by a couple of weeks. You see what i'm getting at here? Yes mate, I see what you're getting at but I think that tweet is a bit misinformed, it's presuming that supply wasn't going to be increased. It's been reported since early Feb that supplies to all of the authorised vaccines - Pfizer, AZ and Moderna would increase from mid March worldwide. Its very good news and on top of that we've got the Johnson and Johnson and Novavax vaccines on course to add to the further increase in supplies later in April and May respectively.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2021 12:29:46 GMT
Can you show me some evidence of this? I'd like to see that they factored this in to the roadmap/vaccination programme. See crouch potato's post from the previous page earlier on this morning Work out how many 1st doses they need to be doing per day to reach the mid April target to Vaccinate all the over 50s etc then look at how many they've actually been doing since middle of Feb. To meet the original target supply had to be increased and was already factored in otherwise the target wouldn't be met. Also got to factor in second doses and they've been stockpiling for those apparently too. Which again makes total sense.
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2021 13:25:18 GMT
I used a vaccine calculator to see when I maybe eligible for my first dose and it was spot on.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2021 13:49:16 GMT
I see Whitty and Vallance are at it again, with their doom and gloom being wheeled out to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme. He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die. "What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are." "Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says. Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them". He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown". They are reporting the science which is what it is. The worst thing they could possibly do is look at the science, consider whether people will like it and then massage it to be more acceptable. Equally if the models predict another outbreak then they predict another outbreak. Valance and Whitty aren't frigging the figures because they don't think they are shit enough. It's the politicians who spin the messaging. At one point Cummings was sitting on SAGE trying to get them to spin it before it got to his political masters - the idea that politics determines scientific advice is the thing that terrifies me, not two experts in their field telling it how it is.
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Post by westlandstokie on Mar 9, 2021 14:08:39 GMT
I see Whitty and Vallance are at it again, with their doom and gloom being wheeled out to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme. He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die. "What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are." "Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says. Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them". He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown". They are reporting the science which is what it is. The worst thing they could possibly do is look at the science, consider whether people will like it and then massage it to be more acceptable. Equally if the models predict another outbreak then they predict another outbreak. Valance and Whitty aren't frigging the figures because they don't think they are shit enough. It's the politicians who spin the messaging. At one point Cummings was sitting on SAGE trying to get them to spin it before it got to his political masters - the idea that politics determines scientific advice is the thing that terrifies me, not two experts in their field telling it how it is. Glum and glummer will drag this out for as long as possible before disappearing back into obscurity.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 14:34:31 GMT
They are reporting the science which is what it is. The worst thing they could possibly do is look at the science, consider whether people will like it and then massage it to be more acceptable. Equally if the models predict another outbreak then they predict another outbreak. Valance and Whitty aren't frigging the figures because they don't think they are shit enough. It's the politicians who spin the messaging. At one point Cummings was sitting on SAGE trying to get them to spin it before it got to his political masters - the idea that politics determines scientific advice is the thing that terrifies me, not two experts in their field telling it how it is. Glum and glummer will drag this out for as long as possible before disappearing back into obscurity. Do you really think that Whitty likes being under the public spotlight all the time ? You need to read his body language if you think that. He's one of the most uncomfortable people I've seen when publicly speaking. He's a very unassuming person who's rather be anywhere than under the public spotlight.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 9, 2021 14:37:13 GMT
Glum and glummer will drag this out for as long as possible before disappearing back into obscurity. Do you really think that Whitty likes being under the public spotlight all the time ? You need to read his body language if you think that. He's one of the most uncomfortable people I've seen when publicly speaking. He's a very unassuming person who's rather be anywhere than under the public spotlight. Watching the “Roadmap” presentation when everything was set out I remember thinking he’d rather be anywhere else in the world other than speaking in public.
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Post by Davef on Mar 9, 2021 14:41:11 GMT
This is what some "outliers" have been saying for months...
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Post by superjw on Mar 9, 2021 14:53:03 GMT
This is what some "outliers" have been saying for months... When my wife tested positive back in October she was given this exact advice, I think she even received her rapid test kit slightly later because of the same issue around testing positive again after. It's definitely not new info put it that way.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 9, 2021 14:56:14 GMT
I see Whitty and Vallance are at it again, with their doom and gloom being wheeled out to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme. He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die. "What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are." "Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says. Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them". He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown". The nasty pro covid gestapo mob will be cheering Whitty on.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 14:59:18 GMT
This is what some "outliers" have been saying for months... Well your only options are a PCR which can give a few false positives or you use a LTF which misses 2 thirds of positives so will give you a boat load of false negatives. Surely it's best to err on the side of caution in a situation like this.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Mar 9, 2021 15:00:59 GMT
I used a vaccine calculator to see when I maybe eligible for my first dose and it was spot on. I used one of those, original date given was 20th March. Just back from first dose at Stafford. Astra Zeneca, all good up to yet.
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