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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2021 15:15:11 GMT
They are reporting the science which is what it is. The worst thing they could possibly do is look at the science, consider whether people will like it and then massage it to be more acceptable. Equally if the models predict another outbreak then they predict another outbreak. Valance and Whitty aren't frigging the figures because they don't think they are shit enough. It's the politicians who spin the messaging. At one point Cummings was sitting on SAGE trying to get them to spin it before it got to his political masters - the idea that politics determines scientific advice is the thing that terrifies me, not two experts in their field telling it how it is. Glum and glummer will drag this out for as long as possible before disappearing back into obscurity. They advise the government on the science - they do not make the decisions. They couldn't drag it out even if the wanted to. Who do you want in their shoes - the Chuckle Brothers?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2021 15:23:40 GMT
I see Whitty and Vallance are at it again, with their doom and gloom being wheeled out to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "Prof Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, tells the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee that all the modelling shows there will be another surge of the virus despite the vaccination programme. He says while the vaccines are very good, they are not 100% effective meaning that some people will remain vulnerable and could still die. "What we are going to see is as things open up, what all the modelling suggests is that at some point we will get another surge of the virus and whether that happens, we hope it doesn't happen soon, it might for example happen later in the summer as we open up or if there is a seasonal effect it might happen later in autumn or in the winter, there will be a further surge and that will find the people who have either not been vaccinated or where the vaccine has not worked and some of them will end up in hospital and some of them will sadly go on to die," he says. "That is the reality of where we are." "Things can go bad very quickly," England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty warns the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee. "A lot of people may think it's all over but I would encourage them to look at continental Europe right now," he says. Whitty says it is "easy to forget how quickly things can turn bad if you don't keep an eye on them". He points out that while the death figures are going in the right direction, this time last year there had only been two UK coronavirus deaths, "and by 23 March we were in lockdown". The nasty pro covid gestapo mob will be cheering Whitty on. Pro Covid Gestapo? What's the insignia - virus rampant on a pair of crossed syringes? Actually I am cheering Whitty on. He's voicing expert opinion in a cacophany of ill informed pseudo political bullshit and evidence free wishful thinking. Long live the scientific method.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 9, 2021 16:12:08 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 9, 2021 16:15:22 GMT
This is what some "outliers" have been saying for months...
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Post by superjw on Mar 9, 2021 16:15:54 GMT
Massive ramp up in tests over the last week, probably coinciding with schools going back as a lot started testing last week. 2m more tests done last week and 1.5m tests done just yesterday! That's the biggest ever testing day if I'm right.
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Post by Davef on Mar 9, 2021 16:37:26 GMT
Massive ramp up in tests over the last week, probably coinciding with schools going back as a lot started testing last week. 2m more tests done last week and 1.5m tests done just yesterday! That's the biggest ever testing day if I'm right. Yes you are. Biggest number of tests, beating the previous highest by over half a million. And we haven't come remotely close to 10,000 cases in one day since February 24th (8,556).
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 9, 2021 17:08:55 GMT
The nasty pro covid gestapo mob will be cheering Whitty on. Pro Covid Gestapo? What's the insignia - virus rampant on a pair of crossed syringes? Actually I am cheering Whitty on. He's voicing expert opinion in a cacophany of ill informed pseudo political bullshit and evidence free wishful thinking. Long live the scientific method. Of course you're cheering him on! If it was up to you we'd live a life of endless misery, lockdowns and stuck in a ghastly state of utter paralysis.
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Post by westlandstokie on Mar 9, 2021 17:09:19 GMT
Glum and glummer will drag this out for as long as possible before disappearing back into obscurity. They advise the government on the science - they do not make the decisions. They couldn't drag it out even if the wanted to. Who do you want in their shoes - the Chuckle Brothers? They couldn’t do any worse...and one is dead.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2021 17:32:34 GMT
Pro Covid Gestapo? What's the insignia - virus rampant on a pair of crossed syringes? Actually I am cheering Whitty on. He's voicing expert opinion in a cacophany of ill informed pseudo political bullshit and evidence free wishful thinking. Long live the scientific method. Of course you're cheering him on! If it was up to you we'd live a life of endless misery, lockdowns and stuck in a ghastly state of utter paralysis. Of course I do - after all deliberately ruining the economy and making everybody's lives a misery is in my pro Covid Gestapo job description. I'm actually really pleased people like yourself are arguing for the earlier ending of restrictions as it virtually guarantees restrictions being extended. If SAGE and the government had their way that wouldn't happen - which would be awful. I'll let you into a little secret - you're the pro Covid Gestapo's most revered double agent. Keep up the good work.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 9, 2021 17:35:37 GMT
Of course you're cheering him on! If it was up to you we'd live a life of endless misery, lockdowns and stuck in a ghastly state of utter paralysis. Of course I do - after all deliberately ruining the economy and making everybody's lives a misery is in my pro Covid Gestapo job description. I'm actually really pleased people like yourself are arguing for the earlier ending of restrictions as it virtually guarantees restrictions being extended. If SAGE and the government had their way that wouldn't happen - which would be awful. I'll let you into a little secret - you're the pro Covid Gestapo's most revered double agent. Keep up the good work. How is calling for the end of restrictions, or the end of them being brought forward, going to EXTEND restrictions?
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Post by EccyStokie on Mar 9, 2021 18:16:37 GMT
Of course you're cheering him on! If it was up to you we'd live a life of endless misery, lockdowns and stuck in a ghastly state of utter paralysis. Of course I do - after all deliberately ruining the economy and making everybody's lives a misery is in my pro Covid Gestapo job description. I'm actually really pleased people like yourself are arguing for the earlier ending of restrictions as it virtually guarantees restrictions being extended. If SAGE and the government had their way that wouldn't happen - which would be awful. I'll let you into a little secret - you're the pro Covid Gestapo's most revered double agent. Keep up the good work. You actually WANT further restrictions? Are you into S&M?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 9, 2021 18:32:56 GMT
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Post by chad on Mar 9, 2021 18:48:34 GMT
That’ll be the ludicrous 7point lead and growing.... Just how shit is the Labour opposition
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 9, 2021 19:18:16 GMT
That’ll be the ludicrous 7point lead and growing.... Just how shit is the Labour opposition Really shit. Next question......
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 10, 2021 8:06:52 GMT
Brilliant interview.
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Post by Northy on Mar 10, 2021 8:22:38 GMT
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Post by superjw on Mar 10, 2021 9:39:53 GMT
Never in doubt, now over to our government
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Post by Northy on Mar 10, 2021 9:49:11 GMT
Never in doubt, now over to our government Yes it was in doubt, a few of you have been ranting about it on this thread.
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 10, 2021 9:50:28 GMT
This sounds absolutely sensible. If the virus is spreading at low levels come the summer (which seems highly likely), why would people need to jump through a load of hoops
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Post by superjw on Mar 10, 2021 10:06:24 GMT
Never in doubt, now over to our government Yes it was in doubt, a few of you have been ranting about it on this thread. For Cyprus it wasn't, it was clear when this was released first time all people would be able to travel, just like Greece have already said. There are doubts for other places and I'm more concerned about domestically in my own mind, but I'm more confident now that no self respecting tourism country is going to say no to non vaccinated people this summer which is a great thing for us and the travel industry alike. That being said, our government have to make far bigger changes to enable it all and I am hopeful they will do.
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Post by werrington on Mar 10, 2021 10:36:41 GMT
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Post by mutters on Mar 10, 2021 10:54:36 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2021 11:07:03 GMT
Yes it was in doubt, a few of you have been ranting about it on this thread. For Cyprus it wasn't, it was clear when this was released first time all people would be able to travel, just like Greece have already said. There are doubts for other places and I'm more concerned about domestically in my own mind, but I'm more confident now that no self respecting tourism country is going to say no to non vaccinated people this summer which is a great thing for us and the travel industry alike. That being said, our government have to make far bigger changes to enable it all and I am hopeful they will do. Overseas spectators will not be allowed at this summer's Tokyo Olympic and Paralympic games, it has been reported. The games have already been postponed for a year due to the COVID-19 pandemic and organisers were hopeful international visitors would be able to attend. However the Japanese government has said welcoming fans from abroad would not be possible given public concern about the coronavirus and the spread of variants from other countries, the Kyodo news agency said. news.sky.com/story/japan-to-stage-olympic-and-paralympic-games-without-overseas-spectators-12240840
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 10, 2021 11:54:21 GMT
"The coronavirus variant first discovered in Kent may be up to twice as deadly as previous variants, new research suggests.
The more infectious variant, which swept across the UK at the end of last year before spreading across the world, is between 30% and 100% more deadly, a new study has found.
Epidemiologists from the Universities of Exeter and Bristol said the data suggested the variant was associated with a significantly higher mortality rate among adults diagnosed in the community, compared with previously circulating variants.
Robert Challen, from the University of Exeter, lead author of the study, said: "In the community, death from Covid-19 is still a rare event, but the B117 variant raises the risk.
"Coupled with its ability to spread rapidly, this makes B117 a threat that should be taken seriously."
Researchers looked at death rates among people infected with the new variant and those infected with other variants."So, not very specific then, in terms of how more deadly it is?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2021 11:58:05 GMT
God forbid they actually act sensible for a change.
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Post by musik on Mar 10, 2021 12:40:47 GMT
THE THIRD AND FOURTH DOSE
LATEST 🇸🇪
SWEDEN PREPARE FOR THE 3rd and 4th DOSES
Sweden have vaccinated 1 million people now (of our 10.8 million people population).
This month we'll recieve another 1.4 million doses and in April 3.3 million doses.
But 14 million doses won't arrive until July, Bergström (vaccine co-ordinator) said today!! This means I won't get my first dose before July - followed by the second dose in October.
In the autumn we will get 30 million more doses!!! They want to be pro-active at last. This is for the 3rd and 4rd doses they plan to give the people in september and december this year.
Holy crap! I can't have my 2nd dose before October, so have they thought about that thoroughly?????
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Post by musik on Mar 10, 2021 12:44:18 GMT
In other words ...
they've planned to give me the 3rd dose before the 2nd dose.
🤣😝😃
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Post by Northy on Mar 10, 2021 14:57:13 GMT
In other words ... they've planned to give me the 3rd dose before the 2nd dose. 🤣😝😃 which one is by the rectal stimulation method
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 10, 2021 15:16:13 GMT
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Post by Davef on Mar 10, 2021 15:29:29 GMT
Interesting what he says about the evidence surrounding weddings and funerals and that the threat is similar to that of hospitality. Considering Ireland's hospitality has been shut down for a year, I'd like to see what data they have to back up their argument.
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