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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2021 9:46:31 GMT
There’s no question her job re covid has been easier than ours. A large degree down to the way she dealt with it in the beginning. She closed borders on 3 Feb 2020 for example. We are yet to do so properly!? She is handling it brilliantly. And her nation confirmed that in their mid-pandemic election where her party won a majority, something not done since they changed their electoral system. She has been a wonderful example of a strong and decisive leader making good decisions when it comes to covid. Perhaps our leaders could learn from others and not be so arrogant to think they know best. Have you ever really took time to read some of your posts Do you realise how remote New Zealand actually is And that all imported goods come via container or air freight and is un accompanied We simply could not shut our borders there are thousands of lorries a day entering the country Unlike New Zealand we didn’t have a couple of cases entering the country which could be pounced on We probably had hundreds all over the country at the same time at the start Are you saying we should of shut our borders to all accompanied freight And left hundreds of thousands of british citizens stranded abroad for moths until sufficient tests were available No, I’m saying had we adopted a much more stringent border policy from 3 Feb 2020 (the same date NZ implemented theirs), we would have had far less economic and health damage. We could have forced quarantine for all tourists/people repatriating for example. We could have massively increased testing for those delivering freight. I’m no expert on the practicalities of bringing freight to and from the country. But I am sure there are measures that could have been taken which would have led to better outcomes here. It’s not just us. US, Europe, pretty much everyone could learn a thing or two from the far east nations, Australia and NZ when it comes to dealing with covid and taking quick, decisive action. I cannot believe that is a controversial statement for some on here!? New Zealand took action way before our idiot PM was boasting about shaking hands with covid patients in hospitals!?!
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2021 9:48:16 GMT
There’s no question her job re covid has been easier than ours. A large degree down to the way she dealt with it in the beginning. She closed borders on 3 Feb 2020 for example. We are yet to do so properly!? She is handling it brilliantly. And her nation confirmed that in their mid-pandemic election where her party won a majority, something not done since they changed their electoral system. She has been a wonderful example of a strong and decisive leader making good decisions when it comes to covid. Perhaps our leaders could learn from others and not be so arrogant to think they know best. The population density of the U.K. is 727 people per m2. The population density of NZ is 47 people per m2. I guess that helps isolate any cases. Unfortunately she doesn’t seem to be as much on top of homelessness where their record is far worse than ours. Yes it massively helps them having a less dense population. Why can’t you admit they have dealt with covid really well? WhY bring homelessness into this? Why can’t you admit NZ have done really well with covid!?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 28, 2021 9:52:32 GMT
The population density of the U.K. is 727 people per m2. The population density of NZ is 47 people per m2. I guess that helps isolate any cases. Unfortunately she doesn’t seem to be as much on top of homelessness where their record is far worse than ours. Yes it massively helps them having a less dense population. Why can’t you admit they have dealt with covid really well? WhY bring homelessness into this? Why can’t you admit NZ have done really well with covid!? Why are you so obsessed with New Zealand? There must be more comparable nations, NZ one of the least, apart from the fact it’s an island. We certainly should have closed the borders early on, I’ll agree with that.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2021 9:56:12 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 28, 2021 9:57:08 GMT
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Post by superjw on Feb 28, 2021 10:14:47 GMT
Yes it massively helps them having a less dense population. Why can’t you admit they have dealt with covid really well? WhY bring homelessness into this? Why can’t you admit NZ have done really well with covid!? Why are you so obsessed with New Zealand? There must be more comparable nations, NZ one of the least, apart from the fact it’s an island. We certainly should have closed the borders early on, I’ll agree with that. Taiwan - Albeit a smaller population, their density is not a million miles from us. They have handled Covid better than most, including NZ. Difference here is they have been well prepared for a pandemic and had protocols in place for about 12 years including a strong track and trace system. Acted quickly with borders & travel and had more than enough stocks off PPE whilst banning the export of spare stock to cope. They are the only comparable ones I can think of, but they will obviously go in harder on the public than we would.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 28, 2021 10:16:56 GMT
Maybe you need to look at my previous post. I never at any point said they weren’t doing well just that as countries we’re very different to them She’s been lauded as some sort of super leader (she’s good yes) but I do think that her governments job is a lot easier than ours. There’s no question her job re covid has been easier than ours. A large degree down to the way she dealt with it in the beginning. She closed borders on 3 Feb 2020 for example. We are yet to do so properly!? She is handling it brilliantly. And her nation confirmed that in their mid-pandemic election where her party won a majority, something not done since they changed their electoral system. She has been a wonderful example of a strong and decisive leader making good decisions when it comes to covid. Perhaps our leaders could learn from others and not be so arrogant to think they know best. It'll be interesting how long they continue to take this approach for and when 'strong' and 'decisive' starts to be considered 'psychotic' and 'tyrannical'. Even when the whole country has been vaccinated, there'll still inevitably be the odd case creeping in. It's not a viable long-term approach.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2021 10:59:55 GMT
New Zealand have handled it excellent and continue to do so.
To even question that is nuts.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 28, 2021 11:20:18 GMT
New Zealand have handled it excellent and continue to do so. To even question that is nuts. What about in 6 months time when they're still locking entire cities down for 7-days based on a single case whilst we and other European countries have got largely back to normal. If not 6 months time, then a year from now, 2 years? Do you think that they should continue to lockdown entire cities based on single cases?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2021 11:27:25 GMT
New Zealand have handled it excellent and continue to do so. To even question that is nuts. What about in 6 months time when they're still locking entire cities down for 7-days based on a single case whilst we and other European countries have got largely back to normal. If not 6 months time, then a year from now, 2 years? Do you think that they should continue to lockdown entire cities based on single cases? I think at the minute it makes sense yes and it clearly works.
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Post by superjw on Feb 28, 2021 12:01:18 GMT
New Zealand have handled it excellent and continue to do so. To even question that is nuts. What about in 6 months time when they're still locking entire cities down for 7-days based on a single case whilst we and other European countries have got largely back to normal. If not 6 months time, then a year from now, 2 years? Do you think that they should continue to lockdown entire cities based on single cases? They haven't got their vaccine programme off the ground yet, quite surprised by that to be honest I thought they were getting ahead like us. They reckon their programme will take most of the year to complete, so this will be the norm for those guys for some time yet
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 28, 2021 12:03:55 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2021 13:00:21 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 28, 2021 13:07:42 GMT
There’s no question her job re covid has been easier than ours. A large degree down to the way she dealt with it in the beginning. She closed borders on 3 Feb 2020 for example. We are yet to do so properly!? She is handling it brilliantly. And her nation confirmed that in their mid-pandemic election where her party won a majority, something not done since they changed their electoral system. She has been a wonderful example of a strong and decisive leader making good decisions when it comes to covid. Perhaps our leaders could learn from others and not be so arrogant to think they know best. Have you ever really took time to read some of your posts Do you realise how remote New Zealand actually is And that all imported goods come via container or air freight and is un accompanied We simply could not shut our borders there are thousands of lorries a day entering the country Unlike New Zealand we didn’t have a couple of cases entering the country which could be pounced on We probably had hundreds all over the country at the same time at the start Are you saying we should of shut our borders to all accompanied freight And left hundreds of thousands of british citizens stranded abroad for moths until sufficient tests were available Bravo
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 28, 2021 13:14:07 GMT
The population density of the U.K. is 727 people per m2. The population density of NZ is 47 people per m2. I guess that helps isolate any cases. Unfortunately she doesn’t seem to be as much on top of homelessness where their record is far worse than ours. Yes it massively helps them having a less dense population. Why can’t you admit they have dealt with covid really well? WhY bring homelessness into this? Why can’t you admit NZ have done really well with covid!? In my original post I said they’d done well all I was saying was that you can’t compare us and them and beat us up for all the deaths compared to them when we’re so different as other posters have agreed. What I was trying to basically say was that countries can do some things really well and not others.
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Post by superjw on Feb 28, 2021 13:41:11 GMT
So I've read more and more about these proposed health passes that could be used domestically. One of the likely options is an app that stores your vaccine status along with results of tests - meaning non vaccinated people can use them. I think some far Eastern countries have similar. I've also heard it could be an expansion of the existing track and trace app as it would sort of kill 2 birds with one stone.
What I'm not sure about is the testing bit, if you either don't want the vaccine or not had it yet then one would need to have regular tests to get into places. This is because a negative test is only valid for a short period of time.
For example my wife works in the NHS and she has to do 2 X rapid tests per week. For travel, negative PCR test can only be no more than 72 hours old.
If that's the way it goes, people will need regular testing to keep the negative results up to date.
I suppose it's doable, but sounds a right nightmare.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2021 13:43:50 GMT
Why are you so obsessed with New Zealand? There must be more comparable nations, NZ one of the least, apart from the fact it’s an island. We certainly should have closed the borders early on, I’ll agree with that. Taiwan - Albeit a smaller population, their density is not a million miles from us. They have handled Covid better than most, including NZ. Difference here is they have been well prepared for a pandemic and had protocols in place for about 12 years including a strong track and trace system. Acted quickly with borders & travel and had more than enough stocks off PPE whilst banning the export of spare stock to cope. They are the only comparable ones I can think of, but they will obviously go in harder on the public than we would. The point I want to emphasise is, it isn't the size or density of a population that matters but the amount of interaction between the population and the rest of the world. At the time of the outbreak of the pandemic 2 million British per week were flying in and out of the country, plus a huge number of foreign nationals. There are four times as many Chinese students in the UK in normal times as in Germany for example. I live near York which is usually "full" of Japanese and Americans. On top that there is a huge amount of commuting all over the country by rail and road. I doubt there is a comparable country in the world that so much travel in, out, and within its border. Even if we had the most vigilant government like New Zealand, we would still probably have suffered badly. What is more surprising is Italy and other countries got the virus from China before the UK did. As I posted above I am not excusing our government who clearly were not prepared and slow to act.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2021 14:38:46 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2021 14:41:10 GMT
Yes it massively helps them having a less dense population. Why can’t you admit they have dealt with covid really well? WhY bring homelessness into this? Why can’t you admit NZ have done really well with covid!? Why are you so obsessed with New Zealand? There must be more comparable nations, NZ one of the least, apart from the fact it’s an island. We certainly should have closed the borders early on, I’ll agree with that. Because loads of people posted comments criticising NZ because of the way they are handling covid. I think it’s mad for us to criticise them given each of our records. It’s like comparing Man City with Port Vale.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2021 14:42:35 GMT
There’s no question her job re covid has been easier than ours. A large degree down to the way she dealt with it in the beginning. She closed borders on 3 Feb 2020 for example. We are yet to do so properly!? She is handling it brilliantly. And her nation confirmed that in their mid-pandemic election where her party won a majority, something not done since they changed their electoral system. She has been a wonderful example of a strong and decisive leader making good decisions when it comes to covid. Perhaps our leaders could learn from others and not be so arrogant to think they know best. It'll be interesting how long they continue to take this approach for and when 'strong' and 'decisive' starts to be considered 'psychotic' and 'tyrannical'. Even when the whole country has been vaccinated, there'll still inevitably be the odd case creeping in. It's not a viable long-term approach. Absolutely. But it works for now whilst the rest of the world is trying to get their act together.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 28, 2021 15:29:22 GMT
How much lockdown have NZ had versus us since the beginning of this shitshow? They may have had less lockdown time than us, they got on top of Covid early which is admirable. But this approach now is not sustainable in the slightest. They are taking it too far now. Locking down an entire city for a case of covid? It is madness and anyone that agrees with that approach really needs to have a word with themselves. Better to lock down the whole country for a month+ a bit later then? The way I'd try to deal with covid is to try to make the total number of deaths + economic damage as little as possible, with as much freedom as possible, so the NZ tactics make sense to me. Emotional aguments that "it's just common sense" or I "need a word with myself" basically don't affect my opinion compared with the maths of how pandemics spread, and the evidence from NZ, Australia, Japan, S Korea, Taiwan etc showing that the maths is right and that controlling the virus early means less damage and more freedom overall. I'm surprised people prefer our results to NZ/Australia/Japan's etc.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 28, 2021 15:39:01 GMT
Why are you so obsessed with New Zealand? There must be more comparable nations, NZ one of the least, apart from the fact it’s an island. We certainly should have closed the borders early on, I’ll agree with that. Because loads of people posted comments criticising NZ because of the way they are handling covid. I think it’s mad for us to criticise them given each of our records. It’s like comparing Man City with Port Vale. I was looking at the criticism about them shutting down a city because of a few cases. It's low-level maths: if things are going up and lockdown makes them go down, then waiting longer means that you need a longer lockdown. NZ's risking 7 days alone - if they are able to test a lot and trace down contacts then it might work, but there's always a chance some will slip the net and start it spreading again.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2021 16:12:03 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 28, 2021 16:46:03 GMT
Do we know the current total of people in hospital?
Where’s the best place to keep up to date on that on Twitter?
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Post by superjw on Feb 28, 2021 16:48:54 GMT
They may have had less lockdown time than us, they got on top of Covid early which is admirable. But this approach now is not sustainable in the slightest. They are taking it too far now. Locking down an entire city for a case of covid? It is madness and anyone that agrees with that approach really needs to have a word with themselves. Better to lock down the whole country for a month+ a bit later then? The way I'd try to deal with covid is to try to make the total number of deaths + economic damage as little as possible, with as much freedom as possible, so the NZ tactics make sense to me. Emotional aguments that "it's just common sense" or I "need a word with myself" basically don't affect my opinion compared with the maths of how pandemics spread, and the evidence from NZ, Australia, Japan, S Korea, Taiwan etc showing that the maths is right and that controlling the virus early means less damage and more freedom overall. I'm surprised people prefer our results to NZ/Australia/Japan's etc. Controlling early does make sense and NZ got it right at the start. Considering they have made the progress they did at first they should really be at the stage of managing the virus and living with it whilst driving a quick vaccine rollout. Unfortunately NZ have not got off the ground with vaccines so in my eyes have missed an opportunity there. They are clearly still believing in zero Covid, which if that's how they want to take themselves forward then fine. But countries like ours absolutely cannot go down that route because we all know zero Covid isn't possible without completely cutting yourselves off from the planet for a seriously long time and probably staying that way. I agreed with the NZ approach at first, but I don't agree with their approach now.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2021 16:48:59 GMT
Do we know the current total of people in hospital? Where’s the best place to keep up to date on that on Twitter? This was yesterday
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 28, 2021 16:50:18 GMT
Do we know the current total of people in hospital? Where’s the best place to keep up to date on that on Twitter? This was yesterday Cheers mate.
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Post by superjw on Feb 28, 2021 16:56:34 GMT
As it stands we have done over 700k more tests this week and current positivity rate is about 1.4% across the UK. Excellent that is I have heard some schools are starting their testing for students next week ahead of the 8th so tests likely to jump up again
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Post by stokeuk474 on Feb 28, 2021 17:02:28 GMT
Yesterday's positivity rate was 0.82%.
That's almost back to last summer's kind of numbers. Get the bloody country open again!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 28, 2021 17:04:16 GMT
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