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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 20:27:58 GMT
We are following exactly the same trajectory as Italy, yet in Sth. Korea, they are still in double figures. If the government tell you to stay out of the pubs in south Korea you stay out. Same in China, in England they go have a party and say they dont care. The seaside resorts have been heaving today. The kids broke up for their holidays yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51988877 |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 21, 2020 20:31:16 GMT
That all seems good to me. It will, hopefully, shield the elderly from the bun fight with the selfish twats. I was stuck in a traffic jam for half an hour the other morning......thought there had been a crash. When I got through, the cause was elderly drivers queuing for the supermarket who had the preferential time slot open at 7am. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 20:32:29 GMT
If the government tell you to stay out of the pubs in south Korea you stay out. Same in China, in England they go have a party and say they dont care. The seaside resorts have been heaving today. The kids broke up for their holidays yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51988877I suspect that our Govt are giving us a chance to regulate these measures ourselves. It isn't happening. The heavy hand from Govt will follow. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 20:33:29 GMT
Getting RR and JCB to switch production to ventilators .......? I'm all for Staying Calm etc. But ...
. Well we have, but most studies would suggest that not doing so won't do you an awful lot of good. You realise that you're addressing the Oatcake  |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 21, 2020 20:35:21 GMT
As an aside, was anybody else a bit annoyed by the state of our journalists at yesterday's press conference? "Are you really telling people that they can't see their mothers on mothers' day?" YES OF COURSE HE IS UNLESS YOU WANT TO KILL YOUR ELDERLY PARENTS ON MOTHERING SUNDAY "It's all well and good closing pubs, but won't young people go to each other's houses and get drunk there?" FFS, WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO? Glad it wasn’t just me. They were bloody disgraceful, trying to bait the speakers into agreeing with alarmist and outrageous suggestions. One had a go at the closure on pubs and restaurants and suggested all the government had done was create more problems at supermarkets.Could do without those tossers stirring the shit for their own ego growth. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 21, 2020 20:35:41 GMT
The stats that we are given really don't make a great deal of sense, do they? Germany, what is going on there? Italy is a modern European country (India and Africa lag behind somewhat, on all counts). Different methods of reporting surely must explain some of the anomalies.
It looks like the death rate is about 1% if your hospitals are all ok (S Korea is now at 1.2%, looks like it might go a little higher), but as soon as you get overwhelmed it's more like 4%. Massive, horrible difference in how bad this gets depending on how many have it in the same place at the same time. After all this has passed some cnuting Yank will come & sell us snake oil, as how things could have been different & the Torys will sell us. We will no longer be Europe, we will be a vassal state of Yanksville |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 21, 2020 20:35:43 GMT
If the government tell you to stay out of the pubs in south Korea you stay out. Same in China, in England they go have a party and say they dont care. The seaside resorts have been heaving today. The kids broke up for their holidays yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51988877People really are fucking stupid aren’t they? It’ll take them being forced to stay at home to stop them going out. If they do it now, hopefully, the less time it will take for things to get back to normal. This behaviour just prolongs it and endangers people and the NHS. Just stay at home you fucking morons. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 20:35:46 GMT
By RegionLondon: 1,965
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 20:35:54 GMT
That all seems good to me. It will, hopefully, shield the elderly from the bun fight with the selfish twats. I was stuck in a traffic jam for half an hour the other morning......thought there had been a crash. When I got through, the cause was elderly drivers queuing for the supermarket who had the preferential time slot open at 7am. Absolutely disgraceful! Why should our old and frail members of society get preferential treatment? It is blatant discrimination against fit and healthy younger people! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 21, 2020 20:38:44 GMT
If the government tell you to stay out of the pubs in south Korea you stay out. Same in China, in England they go have a party and say they dont care. The seaside resorts have been heaving today. The kids broke up for their holidays yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51988877How fuckin' stupid can people be? Ultimately we're going to have to be treated like children because we're either too selfish or too thick, to be treated any other way. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 20:39:03 GMT
£500/week is OTT. Enough to help people ride it out and feed themselves. Imagine the cost after this blows over, if everyone is homeless and needs healthcare due to illnesses resulting from having no job/money/home/food etc. Around 15% (?) of the population are 16 and under, so they'd see a lower amount via the parents. There has been a fair bit of research done into a basic living wage and it tends to benefit economies in the long run. I remember a few studies on homeless people in more detail, including one in London where homeless people were given £3k (no questions asked) to help set themselves up. Sounds stupid? Each homeless person costs the taxpayer tens of thousands of pounds a year, and many of the homeless people from the study are now contributing to the economy instead of taking from it (I hate to phrase it like that). Net profit for the tax system, but more importantly, less people on the streets and more people living healthier lives. Wondering if the government have messed up big style - was a 'living wage' even considered? Ignoring self-employed people has been discussed, but am I right thinking the government will cover £80,000 of someone on £100,000/year? It'd be £11,000 for someone on £14,000/year. How is is that fair? Many people on lower incomes will be spending extra on food (no school meals), electric, gas etc. now. It's capped at £30,000 a year. Don't forget that some of these poor buggers are tied into London housing prices. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 21, 2020 20:39:31 GMT
The army were being deployed on Thursday night according to 2/3 on here. Stuff like that pisses me off. It pisses me off also. The thing is - I was just told "You might want to do some shopping tomorrow".Nothing more than that. My wife would be in the high risk category. This came from a ranking police officer. He was offering a mate some friendly advice. I simply cannot believe that he was responding to rumours on the usual channels. I then came on this MB, and the rumours were rife.
Whatever it was all about, it seems that the army were put "in readiness" before the schools closed. Anticipation of looting maybe? I have no idea.
Just seemed like sensible planning to me. The army were clearly being given orders to get prepared (as I would expect) and then that snowballed with the fake bullshit videos etc. People need to be really careful. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 20:39:59 GMT
I suspect that our Govt are giving us a chance to regulate these measures ourselves. It isn't happening. The heavy hand from Govt will follow. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 21, 2020 20:40:13 GMT
It looks like the death rate is about 1% if your hospitals are all ok (S Korea is now at 1.2%, looks like it might go a little higher), but as soon as you get overwhelmed it's more like 4%. Massive, horrible difference in how bad this gets depending on how many have it in the same place at the same time. That's against confirmed cases. There are a whole lot more cases that go unconfirmed so the rate IS lower. Doesn't change the absolute numbers though. We'll see... with S Korea they're testing relentlessly and chasing down people who were in touch with those infected, at least according to every source I can find. If there's an Italy-like surge in S Korean deaths in 2-3 weeks then we'll know it was probably bullshit, but if there isn't then their numbers are probably ok. Scary thing is this, trustworthy source reporting a tripling of deaths in one old people's home in Italy, most of whom weren't tested. EDIT: “There has obviously been an increase in deaths. You just have to look at the local daily (newspaper) in Cremona. Normally there’s a page of death notices. Today there were five.” I heard the same from my ex, il Giornale di Brescia normally has a page of obituaries, one day last week it was 10. |
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Post by algor on Mar 21, 2020 20:44:23 GMT
No, 80% up to 30k or thereabouts. Still think the living wage would've been better! I know what you mean mate but the fact is that people tend to live to the maximum of their means regardless of their income. A family Losing their £200,000 home is every bit as sad as family losing their £90,000 home. The government clearly want everyone on a reasonable income to be able to keep their heads above water and to have a job to go back to if at all possible. I have been amazed but happy with the governments response to be honest. I guess when this is all over we will all have to pay more tax but the effort right now to save jobs, homes and lives is worth it. IMO it also helps to prevent against looting and other major civil disruption which would leave us in a apocalyptic like situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 20:47:54 GMT
Still think the living wage would've been better! I know what you mean mate but the fact is that people tend to live to the maximum of their means regardless of their income. A family Losing their £200,000 home is every bit as sad as family losing their £90,000 home. The government clearly want everyone on a reasonable income to be able to keep their heads above water and to have a job to go back to if at all possible. I have been amazed but happy with the governments response to be honest. I guess when this is all over we will all have to pay more tax but the effort right now to save jobs, homes and lives is worth it. IMO it also helps to prevent against looting and other major civil disruption which would leave us in a apocalyptic like situation. Mortgage holiday. Then everyone on a living wage? The rich wouldn't vote for that either. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 20:48:21 GMT
People really are fucking stupid aren’t they? It’ll take them being forced to stay at home to stop them going out. If they do it now, hopefully, the less time it will take for things to get back to normal. This behaviour just prolongs it and endangers people and the NHS. Just stay at home you fucking morons. For some people it won’t hit home until it comes home! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 21, 2020 20:48:47 GMT
That's against confirmed cases. There are a whole lot more cases that go unconfirmed so the rate IS lower. Doesn't change the absolute numbers though. We'll see... with S Korea they're testing relentlessly and chasing down people who were in touch with those infected, at least according to every source I can find. If there's an Italy-like surge in S Korean deaths in 2-3 weeks then we'll know it was probably bullshit, but if there isn't then their numbers are probably ok. Scary thing is this, trustworthy source reporting a tripling of deaths in one old people's home in Italy, most of whom weren't tested. EDIT: “There has obviously been an increase in deaths. You just have to look at the local daily (newspaper) in Cremona. Normally there’s a page of death notices. Today there were five.” I heard the same from my ex, il Giornale di Brescia normally has a page of obituaries, one day last week it was 10. Re. your edit: I had just read the link you had posted and I was about to post that exact same paragraph, it's the one that jumps out. Truly frightening, they're clearly no longer even counting the dead now. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 21, 2020 20:49:17 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2020 20:51:06 GMT
It looks like the death rate is about 1% if your hospitals are all ok (S Korea is now at 1.2%, looks like it might go a little higher), but as soon as you get overwhelmed it's more like 4%. Massive, horrible difference in how bad this gets depending on how many have it in the same place at the same time. After all this has passed some cnuting Yank will come & sell us snake oil, as how things could have been different & the Torys will sell us. We will no longer be Europe, we will be a vassal state of Yanksville Guys start buying tinfoil before bath gets it all. |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 21, 2020 20:51:30 GMT
By RegionLondon: 1,965
South East: 492
Midlands: 491
North West: 312
North East and Yorkshire: 298
East of England: 221
South West: 216
By Local Authority
Hampshire: 138
Southwark: 134
Lambeth: 118
Westminster: 110
Brent: 108
Wandsworth: 107
Harrow: 89
Barnet: 81
Croydon: 81
Ealing: 80
Birmingham: 75
Kensington and Chelsea: 75
Hertfordshire: 75
Surrey: 65
Derbyshire: 64
Bromley: 63
Sheffield: 61
Lewisham: 60
Cumbria: 57
Merton: 56
Enfield: 54
Greenwich: 54
Hackney and City of London: 52
Hounslow: 52
Camden: 51
Haringey: 51
Newham: 51
Tower Hamlets: 51
Hillingdon: 50
Islington: 48
Wolverhampton: 45
Hammersmith and Fulham: 45
Essex: 45
Kent: 45
Stoke-on-Trent: 2
London is going to be horrific in a weeks time. I haven’t updated myself on their figures for a day or so and I was genuinely shocked when I saw that. Quite Frightening. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2020 20:53:12 GMT
I'd reply if I could even understand what it meant to be honest. I can see you👀. Time to put on your big boy pants & see the Big Picture. Your on your own. I’m not you’re or anyone else’s adversary, but I’m not going to accept what it untrueXx You are just rambling now but feel free to tell everyone the big picture...... |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 20:56:09 GMT
I can see you👀. Time to put on your big boy pants & see the Big Picture. Your on your own. I’m not you’re or anyone else’s adversary, but I’m not going to accept what it untrueXx You are just rambling now but feel free to tell everyone the big picture...... Do you think he's got a fever? |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2020 20:58:55 GMT
You are just rambling now but feel free to tell everyone the big picture...... Do you think he's got a fever? More likely been on the sherry too early |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 21, 2020 20:59:13 GMT
You've got to think that we're going to be in total local down by this time next week. |
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Post by algor on Mar 21, 2020 21:00:36 GMT
It looks like the death rate is about 1% if your hospitals are all ok (S Korea is now at 1.2%, looks like it might go a little higher), but as soon as you get overwhelmed it's more like 4%. Massive, horrible difference in how bad this gets depending on how many have it in the same place at the same time. After all this has passed some cnuting Yank will come & sell us snake oil, as how things could have been different & the Torys will sell us. We will no longer be Europe, we will be a vassal state of Yanksville I honestly feel worried for the US population mate, a seriously divided nation, different states doing different things, a healthcare system that doesn't work and a fraud of a president. Then mix panic buying with gun ownership  ! I really wouldn't want to live there. You can slag the Tory's off on the NHS if you want and you may have a point but they are 1 healthcare system and from what I can see right now they have dedicated staff who are working together and preparing to go to war on a large scale, it won't matter if you are unemployed or on a hundred grand year the same criteria will apply to both. It will never be for sale because it is priceless! |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 21, 2020 21:03:30 GMT
That's against confirmed cases. There are a whole lot more cases that go unconfirmed so the rate IS lower. Doesn't change the absolute numbers though. We'll see... with S Korea they're testing relentlessly and chasing down people who were in touch with those infected, at least according to every source I can find. If there's an Italy-like surge in S Korean deaths in 2-3 weeks then we'll know it was probably bullshit, but if there isn't then their numbers are probably ok. Scary thing is this, trustworthy source reporting a tripling of deaths in one old people's home in Italy, most of whom weren't tested. EDIT: “There has obviously been an increase in deaths. You just have to look at the local daily (newspaper) in Cremona. Normally there’s a page of death notices. Today there were five.” I heard the same from my ex, il Giornale di Brescia normally has a page of obituaries, one day last week it was 10. I was merely chsllenging the percentages not the absolute numbers. Vallence said only the other day that if we get away with 20,000 deaths we will have done well. Well that alone is 500 per day for six weeks (40k - pretty obviously - is 1000 per day for six weeks) so it's only when it starts getting reported daily as such will a lot of people start to realise that what has actually been forecast by our own govt really means. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 21:04:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 21:06:34 GMT
With what we have seen at the seaside resorts today, I can see a statement coming from Boris along the lines of ....
Well we tried asking you to do what we wanted, you ignored it. This is what happens next ....
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 21, 2020 21:09:11 GMT
After all this has passed some cnuting Yank will come & sell us snake oil, as how things could have been different & the Torys will sell us. We will no longer be Europe, we will be a vassal state of Yanksville I honestly feel worried for the US population mate, a seriously divided nation, different states doing different things, a healthcare system that doesn't work and a fraud of a president. Then mix panic buying with gun ownership ! I really wouldn't want to live there. You can slag the Tory's off on the NHS if you want and you may have a point but they are 1 healthcare system and from what I can see right now they have dedicated staff who are working together and preparing to go to war on a large scale, it won't matter if you are unemployed or on a hundred grand year the same criteria will apply to both. It will never be for sale because it is priceless! Good post. We have a lot to be thankful for in this country with our NHS. A socialist entity that has the people at it's heartbeat. Let us pray to whichever god you believe in that they can keep the lid on this... |
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! I really wouldn't want to live there. You can slag the Tory's off on the NHS if you want and you may have a point but they are 1 healthcare system and from what I can see right now they have dedicated staff who are working together and preparing to go to war on a large scale, it won't matter if you are unemployed or on a hundred grand year the same criteria will apply to both. It will never be for sale because it is priceless!
