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Post by Gods on Dec 19, 2020 23:21:28 GMT
Can I ask another question which was completely ignored today but might be significant? Shame journalist don't ask useful questions. Has anyone said if you can catch one variant and then also catch the other or does your previous antibody or T cell response make this unlikely? Because regardless of the vaccine most of the unvaccinated waiting their turn will have a whole new ball game to deal with. @estrangedsonoffaye It's probably the most important question at the moment isn't it? I've been literally discussing it with the missus this minute. You would (imagine) if the vaccine is effective against both 'covid orginal' and 'covid v2' as the experts believe (hope) then in turn it would follow your antibody or T cell response from 'orginal' would be equally applciable to 'v2' as well but I suspect that is not known for certain yet. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 19, 2020 23:26:19 GMT
Thinking about it realistcally there is no way on God's earth covid v2 will remain contained to London and the South East is there?
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Post by andystokey on Dec 19, 2020 23:26:46 GMT
Can I ask another question which was completely ignored today but might be significant? Shame journalist don't ask useful questions. Has anyone said if you can catch one variant and then also catch the other or does your previous antibody or T cell response make this unlikely? Because regardless of the vaccine most of the unvaccinated waiting their turn will have a whole new ball game to deal with. @estrangedsonoffaye It's probably the most important question at the moment isn't it? I've been literally discussing it with the missus this minute. I've been trawling the usual nature, new scientist etc. The primary focus now seems to be; does it make you more poorly -seems not might even be less, will it dodge the vaccine-guess is no but experts saying the vaccine can be tweaked. However between the lines I'm reading that if the spike protein is changed significantly it can confuse the immune system. That seems to be balanced out by most mutations only have one or two changes. I'm just not convinced Vallance's Freudian slip about the "other virus" was an accident. I'm not sure I see the transmission argument yet, because behaviour is so significant a factor. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 23:27:56 GMT
It's probably the most important question at the moment isn't it? I've been literally discussing it with the missus this minute. You would (imagine) if the vaccine is effective against both 'covid orginal' and 'covid v2' as the experts believe (hope) then in turn it would follow your antibody or T cell response from 'orginal' would be equally applciable to 'v2' as well but I suspect that is not known for certain yet. Of course it isn't going to be. When will you clappers join the bandwagon when we're still in restrictions? September? October? |
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 23:29:02 GMT
Can I ask another question which was completely ignored today but might be significant? Shame journalist don't ask useful questions. Has anyone said if you can catch one variant and then also catch the other or does your previous antibody or T cell response make this unlikely? Because regardless of the vaccine most of the unvaccinated waiting their turn will have a whole new ball game to deal with. @estrangedsonoffaye If there's evidence that people who caught the original SARS virus in 2002/03 are immune to Covid-19, then why would a variant of this virus make any difference? |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 23:31:08 GMT
How come the bastions of covid recovery China got over it without a vaccine?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 23:35:31 GMT
It's probably the most important question at the moment isn't it? I've been literally discussing it with the missus this minute. I've been trawling the usual nature, new scientist etc. The primary focus now seems to be; does it make you more poorly -seems not might even be less, will it dodge the vaccine-guess is no but experts saying the vaccine can be tweaked. However between the lines I'm reading that if the spike protein is changed significantly it can confuse the immune system. That seems to be balanced out by most mutations only have one or two changes. I'm just not convinced Vallance's Freudian slip about the "other virus" was an accident. I'm not sure I see the transmission argument yet, because behaviour is so significant a factor. Me neither Andy, it was like a flashing beacon it stood out so much. I just wish the journalists who are given the opportunity to ask questions at the end, would actually listen to what we're being told and ask questions accordingly. |
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Post by franklin on Dec 19, 2020 23:35:54 GMT
How come the bastions of covid recovery China got over it without a vaccine? I don’t think they have mate they're just getting on with it. IF we had not been told about this "new" virus we wouldn't have noticed it at all. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2020 23:36:13 GMT
But Vallance has said himself that he sees this as another virus. Why are Covid cases on the floor in Liverpool? I think you're wrong but if you are right then it has implications for the vaccine. If you are right then this nightmare has no end. Fingers crossed. If it is a different virus which renders the vaccine invalid, then we have no choice but to immediately go down the route of a targeted lockdown strategy. Which in my opinion should have been the approach all along. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 23:37:32 GMT
How come the bastions of covid recovery China got over it without a vaccine? I don’t think they have mate they're just getting on with it. IF we had not been told about this "new" virus we wouldn't have noticed it at all. What is this 'getting on with it'? Did they kill any granny's? |
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Post by starkiller on Dec 19, 2020 23:45:53 GMT
Plans to post millions of rapid testing kits to homes are BLOCKED by regulator amid fears they are not accurate enough when people test themselves. Boris Johnson's plan to post millions of testing kits to homes each week in the hope of avoiding a third national lockdown have been blocked by the regulator. The Prime Minister and Health Secretary Matt Hancock have repeatedly said that the lateral flow tests, which deliver results in 30 minutes, could help to bring down infection rates in regions hit hard by Covid-19. But the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) believes the lateral flow tests are not accurate enough when people test themselves - dampening hopes that they could help to avoid a new lockdown. The tests only pick up around 49 per cent of infections when used by ordinary people. And Education Secretary Gavin Williamson said last week teachers would administer the tests to pupils when they return to schools next month. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070221/amp/Plans-post-millions-rapid-testing-kits-homes-BLOCKED-regulator-accuracy-fears.html?__twitter_impression=trueThey've compared them to PCR tests. And I guess they don't deliver enough false positives. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 19, 2020 23:57:03 GMT
I think you're wrong but if you are right then it has implications for the vaccine. If you are right then this nightmare has no end. Fingers crossed. If it is a different virus which renders the vaccine invalid, then we have no choice but to immediately go down the route of a targeted lockdown strategy. Which in my opinion should have been the approach all along. Well if it does have implications for the vaccine then I'm happy to go down your route but I don't think it does. |
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Post by franklin on Dec 19, 2020 23:57:23 GMT
I don’t think they have mate they're just getting on with it. IF we had not been told about this "new" virus we wouldn't have noticed it at all. What is this 'getting on with it'? Did they kill any granny's? Its a old thing people did when tough times came i think. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 23:58:38 GMT
What is this 'getting on with it'? Did they kill any granny's? Its a old thing people did when tough times came i think. Or anyone before mainstream media? |
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Post by franklin on Dec 20, 2020 0:01:23 GMT
Its a old thing people did when tough times came i think. Or anyone before mainstream media? Worst thing ever invented the news and the Internet 😆 |
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Post by Gods on Dec 20, 2020 0:07:23 GMT
I've been trawling the usual nature, new scientist etc. The primary focus now seems to be; does it make you more poorly -seems not might even be less, will it dodge the vaccine-guess is no but experts saying the vaccine can be tweaked. However between the lines I'm reading that if the spike protein is changed significantly it can confuse the immune system. That seems to be balanced out by most mutations only have one or two changes. I'm just not convinced Vallance's Freudian slip about the "other virus" was an accident. I'm not sure I see the transmission argument yet, because behaviour is so significant a factor. Me neither Andy, it was like a flashing beacon it stood out so much. I just wish the journalists who are given the opportunity to ask questions at the end, would actually listen to what we're being told and ask questions accordingly. I suppose to be fair since Vallance's charts distinguished between 'Covid Original' and 'Covid V2 Mutation' then unless you have different names for them I'm not sure how else you can differentiate them except with a phrase like the 'other virus'. I'm sure in the end they will both gain widely accepted monikas. NB Staggering that v2 has come from nowhere in no time to account for nearly 65+% of cases in the South-East. Impossible to imagine it won't hit the rest of the country, I mean this invsible killer mark 2 must be out there already. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 20, 2020 0:10:22 GMT
O'Brien really is an infuriatingly, arrogant berk!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 20, 2020 0:16:53 GMT
Me neither Andy, it was like a flashing beacon it stood out so much. I just wish the journalists who are given the opportunity to ask questions at the end, would actually listen to what we're being told and ask questions accordingly. I suppose to be fair since Vallance's charts distinguished between 'Covid Original' and 'Covid V2 Mutation' then unless you have different names for them I'm not sure how else you can differentiate them except with a phrase like the 'other virus'. I'm sure in the end they will both gain widely accepted monikas. NB Staggering that v2 has come from nowhere in no time to account for nearly 65+% of cases in the South-East. Impossible to imagine it won't hit the rest of the country, I mean this invsible killer mark 2 must be out there already. Yeah I don't think we can read too much into it once I played it back, it was just his choice of words to differentiate the strains. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2020 0:23:55 GMT
O'Brien really is an infuriatingly, arrogant berk! He takes berk to the next level. What a useless, patronising clown. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2020 0:28:02 GMT
The very notion that some shit haired drunk scarecrow is going to tell me what to do what at Christmas  What a fucking bell end. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2020 0:41:36 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see how tomorrow plays out. Are they seriously going to try and arrest people who are leaving London to see their families for Christmas? I love law and order but any self respecting police officer surely can't carry out such an abhorrent order.
It goes without saying, it would set one of the most disturbing precedents in modern British history.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 20, 2020 0:44:00 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see how tomorrow plays out. Are they seriously going to try and arrest people who are leaving London to see their families for Christmas? I love law and order but any self respecting police officer surely can't carry out such an abhorrent order. It goes without saying, it would set one of the most disturbing precedents in modern British history. I'd certainly like to see how the police react if it happens. |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 20, 2020 0:52:15 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see how tomorrow plays out. Are they seriously going to try and arrest people who are leaving London to see their families for Christmas? I love law and order but any self respecting police officer surely can't carry out such an abhorrent order. It goes without saying, it would set one of the most disturbing precedents in modern British history. The Police don't know what's going on either, so the answer is probably no...if it is a yes...then we are in for some fun!!! |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2020 1:03:52 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see how tomorrow plays out. Are they seriously going to try and arrest people who are leaving London to see their families for Christmas? I love law and order but any self respecting police officer surely can't carry out such an abhorrent order. It goes without saying, it would set one of the most disturbing precedents in modern British history. The Police don't know what's going on either, so the answer is probably no...if it is a yes...then we are in for some fun!!! Sunday funday! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 20, 2020 1:07:30 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see how tomorrow plays out. Are they seriously going to try and arrest people who are leaving London to see their families for Christmas? I love law and order but any self respecting police officer surely can't carry out such an abhorrent order. It goes without saying, it would set one of the most disturbing precedents in modern British history. If the police are going to genuinely attempt to stop people with valid tickets from boarding trains at Euston station tomorrow, then theres every chance that we won't be far away from the beginning of widespread (as you've been predicting) civil disobedience. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 20, 2020 1:09:21 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see how tomorrow plays out. Are they seriously going to try and arrest people who are leaving London to see their families for Christmas? I love law and order but any self respecting police officer surely can't carry out such an abhorrent order. It goes without saying, it would set one of the most disturbing precedents in modern British history. If the police are going to genuinely attempt to stop people with valid tickets from boarding trains at Euston station tomorrow, then theres every chance that we won't be far away from the beginning of widespread (as you've been predicting) civil disobedience. I'd suggest the police aren't that stupid. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 20, 2020 1:25:20 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see how tomorrow plays out. Are they seriously going to try and arrest people who are leaving London to see their families for Christmas? I love law and order but any self respecting police officer surely can't carry out such an abhorrent order. It goes without saying, it would set one of the most disturbing precedents in modern British history. If the police are going to genuinely attempt to stop people with valid tickets from boarding trains at Euston station tomorrow, then theres every chance that we won't be far away from the beginning of widespread (as you've been predicting) civil disobedience. You'd hope the government have said to the police that under no circumstance are they to arrest anyone leaving London. I would have said I imagine the widespread civil unrest to start in another 6 to 12 months when the economic hardship kicks in but this could really fast track it if the police play it badly. Let's hope for everyone's sake the police use common sense. |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 20, 2020 2:33:02 GMT
The very notion that some shit haired drunk scarecrow is going to tell me what to do what at Christmas What a fucking bell end. You’d prefer a smooth operator giving the same message. I’m sure you’d love life under Nicola Sturgeon because of her greater sartorial elegance. But then again, with Keir Starmer as the next Labour PM you should be happy with him. But no, you preferred Jeremy “Worzel Gummidge” Corbyn. Seems your concerns over appearance are not consistent. |
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Post by starkiller on Dec 20, 2020 2:41:45 GMT
Yes good idea transport the virus to Derby you absolute fuckin morons You really believe this shit to the letter. Did no-one travel earlier or throughout the week? I guess the virus was waiting for the government announcement. Just like it was waiting for its instructions regarding scotch eggs. How can anyone actually believe this crock as presented? But listening to folk on here, it's a wonder any of us are still alive. It's a TV soap opera pandemic. And you eagerly await the next episode. And any flu does not assess the compliance of the nation or the competence of government. It spreads every year no matter what. And every year a bunch of old and sick people die from it. And that's even without help from a 28 day rule and rigged test. |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 20, 2020 2:44:18 GMT
If the police are going to genuinely attempt to stop people with valid tickets from boarding trains at Euston station tomorrow, then theres every chance that we won't be far away from the beginning of widespread (as you've been predicting) civil disobedience. You'd hope the government have said to the police that under no circumstance are they to arrest anyone leaving London. I would have said I imagine the widespread civil unrest to start in another 6 to 12 months when the economic hardship kicks in but this could really fast track it if the police play it badly. Let's hope for everyone's sake the police use common sense. You’re touching on a bigger point here. Do the public at large believe what they are being told? Because if they did, the London exodus would not happen as folk would be too concerned about the possibility of infecting vulnerable older loved ones - generally, it seems that exodus is of adult children (and their children) returning to their elderly parents (and grandparents) to stay in the same house as them for a protracted period. Back in March when this kicked off, there was both near enough universal compliance in action as well as thought. Folk accepted and respected the rules. I recall at the time Johnson saying he was concerned about how long that compliant behaviour would last. He was thinking in terms of weeks though not months. So, a mass ignoring of rules suggests something that consensus has broken. |
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