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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Dec 19, 2020 18:18:51 GMT
What's a fucking wind up is the data has pointed to something wrong in London and south east now for over a week yet they still allowed 2000 fans at the boxing, football, darts and other sports only days ago.
It's now gotten that bad they've gone and fucked it for everyone else.
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Post by franklin on Dec 19, 2020 18:22:35 GMT
Ah the Ghost of Xmas Never has spoken. What will happen is some people will obey the new rules and some won't. Infections, hospitalisations and deaths will increase significantly during January but less than they would have done had the new rules not been applied because of those that decide to comply. So the new rules will achieve something at least. If people don't want to comply they'll just crack on doing what they were going to do anyway. They won't riot. They won't engage in violence because of covid restrictions (they might for other reasons - it's Xmas after all). If someone decides to do what they want, get angry and ruin their day then they are probably the sort of miserable bastard who would have been miserable anyway. Families getting together at Xmas always generate hate - but it won't have anything to do with new covid restrictions. Depression will increase over Xmas because it always does. Sorry mate but Big Nige isn't going to ride his white steed through the adoring rioting crowds on Xmas day and the New Dawn isn't going to break on Boxing Day. It's just going to carry on being a bit shit until the vaccine rollout is complete. And finally a Merry Xmas and a Covid Free New Year One and All - and I genuinely mean that even though I know full well it won't be for some. I agree, one Big Nige isn't enough. We need many Big Nige's š In all seriousness, mine and your differing political stance aside, I think we can both agree that reform is needed (excuse the pun) and we need new right and left parties in this country. We need Guy Fawkes first. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 19, 2020 18:23:52 GMT
Good job the MPs broke up for Christmas & fucked off out of London earlier this week.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 19, 2020 18:25:34 GMT
Starmer would have cancelled Christmas early. He would have been upfront about it. Boris Johnsonās last minute 100000th U turn is the issue here While Iām completely against lockdowns, Iād prefer the certainty of advance knowledge. ie: Put whole country in T3 for 4/6 weeks, open back up with lowest level of restrictions for 2/3 weeks through the new year. Further restrictions for Jan, etc etc This ad hoc shite is the worst of both worlds Absolutely. Itās because this government are completely out of their depth. U turn after U turn after U turn. Just days ago there was no chance of changing Xmas plans |
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 18:26:14 GMT
The irony of all this is that Johnson has been wittering on about how the UK will be a world leader after Brexit, and despite being the first country in the world to administer Covid vaccines, he's buckled and shit himself because European countries have brought in lockdowns which won't make a blind bit of difference. The sooner he's gone the better. And he can take his excuse of a Health Minister with him. Jesus. All theses European leaders completely wrong Well are their measures working? |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2020 18:26:31 GMT
Told you if you elected these lying, corrupt bastards they would burn this country to the ground. Want a country that functions in the interests of all its people? Then vote for it. Stop letting billionaire-owned media to convince you of lies in order to steal your country. Iām glad we elected these cunts otherwise we would be heading to the even worse bunch of cunts ruining Wales Donāt want any part of your lot. You cannot defend labours record in wales post pandemic or during |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 18:28:42 GMT
Regarding the New Variant - I know the view is that the vaccine will still work - but is 'the science' saying that if you have had the old variant then you will have a level of immunity - or does the new boy cut through as if we were starting again from scratch? It's a fair question. |
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Post by franklin on Dec 19, 2020 18:29:28 GMT
Jesus. All theses European leaders completely wrong Well are their measures working? The honest answer is a resounding no. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 19, 2020 18:30:28 GMT
Jesus. All theses European leaders completely wrong Well are their measures working? Think your missing something here , Boris who or ever else is in charge only goes on what the scientists tell and advise him , if we went to war do you think it would be just on his say so or on the advice of his top Generals and Chief of staff |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 19, 2020 18:30:30 GMT
Ah the Ghost of Xmas Never has spoken. What will happen is some people will obey the new rules and some won't. Infections, hospitalisations and deaths will increase significantly during January but less than they would have done had the new rules not been applied because of those that decide to comply. So the new rules will achieve something at least. If people don't want to comply they'll just crack on doing what they were going to do anyway. They won't riot. They won't engage in violence because of covid restrictions (they might for other reasons - it's Xmas after all). If someone decides to do what they want, get angry and ruin their day then they are probably the sort of miserable bastard who would have been miserable anyway. Families getting together at Xmas always generate hate - but it won't have anything to do with new covid restrictions. Depression will increase over Xmas because it always does. Sorry mate but Big Nige isn't going to ride his white steed through the adoring rioting crowds on Xmas day and the New Dawn isn't going to break on Boxing Day. It's just going to carry on being a bit shit until the vaccine rollout is complete. And finally a Merry Xmas and a Covid Free New Year One and All - and I genuinely mean that even though I know full well it won't be for some. I agree, one Big Nige isn't enough. We need many Big Nige's š In all seriousness, mine and your differing political stance aside, I think we can both agree that reform is needed (excuse the pun) and we need new right and left parties in this country. That would be the naffest version of Sparticus ever staged. Yes I absolutely agree about political reform - and the first step has to be PR because without it millions of people are effectively disenfranchised. I can't stand your politics and I can't stand Nigel Farage - but you have the right to have your voice expressed in Parliament (as has mine) and that won't happen under the current electoral system. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 18:31:11 GMT
We don't but the snippets we've heard seem encouraging, I'm sure we'll know in the next week or so. As I understand it the phase 3 tests seemed to indicate the Oxford vaccine was significantly more effective in the younger age group but they are looking to see whether it works better if given is a small/large dose and in combination with the Russian Sputnik vaccine . The sensible approach would seem to be to use the Pfeizer vaccine for the old and vulnerable as it appears to be effective across all age groups and the Oxford vaccine as part of a herd immunity programme - which should work providing enough people are willing to take it. That would indeed be the sensible approach but have we got/will have enough of the Pfizer vaccine in time? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2020 18:35:23 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 18:35:39 GMT
Well are their measures working? Think your missing something here , Boris who or ever else is in charge only goes on what the scientists tell and advise him , if we went to war do you think it would be just on his say so or on the advice of his top Generals and Chief of staff That's not true is it? If it was, then there'd be no need for Boris, we'd just let Whitty and Vallance run the show. SAGE have said themselves, that they wanted a lockdown at the beginning of September and Boris said no. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2020 18:39:22 GMT
I agree, one Big Nige isn't enough. We need many Big Nige's š In all seriousness, mine and your differing political stance aside, I think we can both agree that reform is needed (excuse the pun) and we need new right and left parties in this country. That would be the naffest version of Sparticus ever staged. Yes I absolutely agree about political reform - and the first step has to be PR because without it millions of people are effectively disenfranchised. I can't stand your politics and I can't stand Nigel Farage - but you have the right to have your voice expressed in Parliament (as has mine) and that won't happen under the current electoral system. Indeed mate, I can't stand your politics either but we both deserve a voice as does the rest of this great nation. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 19, 2020 18:42:00 GMT
Someone needs to come out and explain higher transmission in a way we can all understand.
At the end of the day it's not burrowing through PPE or jumping 10m instead of 2m. So which of the current "hands, face, space" is it circumventing?
It might need less of it to catch it maybe but it's still airborne in droplets.
I understand the bit about the shorter infection period perhaps. That still means you have to catch it though.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 19, 2020 18:42:10 GMT
As I understand it the phase 3 tests seemed to indicate the Oxford vaccine was significantly more effective in the younger age group but they are looking to see whether it works better if given is a small/large dose and in combination with the Russian Sputnik vaccine . The sensible approach would seem to be to use the Pfeizer vaccine for the old and vulnerable as it appears to be effective across all age groups and the Oxford vaccine as part of a herd immunity programme - which should work providing enough people are willing to take it. That would indeed be the sensible approach but have we got/will have enough of the Pfizer vaccine in time? 40 million doses (20 million people) should be enough. Timing is another matter - though vaccination was always really about next winter with anything effective this winter being a bonus. |
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 18:43:04 GMT
Think your missing something here , Boris who or ever else is in charge only goes on what the scientists tell and advise him , if we went to war do you think it would be just on his say so or on the advice of his top Generals and Chief of staff That's not true is it? If it was, then there'd be no need for Boris, we'd just let Whitty and Vallance run the show. SAGE have said themselves, that they wanted a lockdown at the beginning of September and Boris said no. The scientific advisers are as all over the place as the Government. On whose advice would the Health Minister stand up in Parliament just several days ago to tell the house that this new variant was nothing to worry about? Look at what they were coming out with at the start of all this about herd immunity, lockdowns and masks. They've had a mare. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 18:45:16 GMT
That would indeed be the sensible approach but have we got/will have enough of the Pfizer vaccine in time? 40 million doses (20 million people) should be enough. Timing is another matter - though vaccination was always really about next winter with anything effective this winter being a bonus. That's the point I was making mate, haven't Pfizer now said, that they're not going to be able to provide us with the amount we ordered in the time frame we were hoping for? |
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Post by Gods on Dec 19, 2020 18:47:26 GMT
Someone needs to come out and explain higher transmission in a way we can all understand. At the end of the day it's not burrowing through PPE or jumping 10m instead of 2m. So which of the current "hands, face, space" is it circumventing? It might need less of it to catch it maybe but it's still airborne in droplets. I understand the bit about the shorter infection period perhaps. That still means you have to catch it though. It doesn't get through anything corona original couldn't, v2 just 'binds' more easily to human cells if it does get there it seems: Sir Patrick said analysis showed that the new coronavirus strain contains 23 different genetic changes, many associated with the so-called āspikeā protein ā the part of the virus which is responsible for binding to human cells. |
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 18:49:33 GMT
Someone needs to come out and explain higher transmission in a way we can all understand. At the end of the day it's not burrowing through PPE or jumping 10m instead of 2m. So which of the current "hands, face, space" is it circumventing? It might need less of it to catch it maybe but it's still airborne in droplets. I understand the bit about the shorter infection period perhaps. That still means you have to catch it though. Isn't the general consensus amongst virologists that viruses don't actually want to kill their hosts? We're being told that this variant is more transmissible but not as deadly. So why this latest hysteria? |
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Post by chad on Dec 19, 2020 18:51:37 GMT
Jesus. All theses European leaders completely wrong Well are their measures working? Thatās an unanswerable question because who knows how bad the situation would have been without lockdowns. Maybe it might of been just a bit worse. Or maybe we could have been looking at 1000+ deaths a day and hospitals turning people a way. Difficult for any leader to take that risk |
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 19, 2020 18:52:35 GMT
Voting for Corbyn would most definitely not have changed this country ā for the betterā Fortunately most of the country new that Country would have been the Venezuela of Europe Ah, even in the midst of another expose of this governmentās incompetence, those who voted Tory instead of Labour need to convince themselves we would have been worse off under Corbyn. Let me tell you, hundreds more elderly people would still be alive today if Jezza had made it to No 10. But you reap what you sow. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 19, 2020 18:53:33 GMT
Someone needs to come out and explain higher transmission in a way we can all understand. At the end of the day it's not burrowing through PPE or jumping 10m instead of 2m. So which of the current "hands, face, space" is it circumventing? It might need less of it to catch it maybe but it's still airborne in droplets. I understand the bit about the shorter infection period perhaps. That still means you have to catch it though. It doesn't get through anything corona original couldn't, v2 just 'binds' more easily to human cells if it does get there it seems: Sir Patrick said analysis showed that the new coronavirus strain contains 23 different genetic changes, many associated with the so-called āspikeā protein ā the part of the virus which is responsible for binding to human cells. I get that it's changed my point being that if I do all the things I've been doing for 9 months I'm no more likely to catch it am I? |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 19, 2020 18:54:51 GMT
Think your missing something here , Boris who or ever else is in charge only goes on what the scientists tell and advise him , if we went to war do you think it would be just on his say so or on the advice of his top Generals and Chief of staff That's not true is it? If it was, then there'd be no need for Boris, we'd just let Whitty and Vallance run the show. SAGE have said themselves, that they wanted a lockdown at the beginning of September and Boris said no. Really š |
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 19, 2020 19:01:30 GMT
Someone needs to come out and explain higher transmission in a way we can all understand. At the end of the day it's not burrowing through PPE or jumping 10m instead of 2m. So which of the current "hands, face, space" is it circumventing? It might need less of it to catch it maybe but it's still airborne in droplets. I understand the bit about the shorter infection period perhaps. That still means you have to catch it though. Isn't the general consensus amongst virologists that viruses don't actually want to kill their hosts? We're being told that this variant is more transmissible but not as deadly. So why this latest hysteria? They don't want to do anything. They just are. Natural selection means that a virus which leaves a host in a state that they're able to spread it more widely (i.e. not dead) will do better. Viruses are going to be virulent (the clue is in the name) and very little that we do has much impact on that fact. Sorry - strictly brings out my nihilist streak. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 19, 2020 19:03:42 GMT
40 million doses (20 million people) should be enough. Timing is another matter - though vaccination was always really about next winter with anything effective this winter being a bonus. That's the point I was making mate, haven't Pfizer now said, that they're not going to be able to provide us with the amount we ordered in the time frame we were hoping for? I didn't know that - but sticking to the point that vaccination was about preparing for next winter all tolled we have 357m vaccines on order from 7 different 'promising' suppliers. Now we have Pfizer, Modena approved in the US and Oxford in all liklihood before the end of the year I would have thought the other 4 all had pretty good chances of being approved. There are also many other vaccines in trials around the world that the UK has not backed. From a couple of months back when we were not sure if or when any vaccine may be available there might be an interesting dynamic shortly whereby the likes of Pfizer (expensive and logistically difficult) are holding us to taking the order because they can't flog it elsewhere.. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 19:06:16 GMT
One trick pony. If you think that those other twats would've done any different you're as deluded as they are. Hurts doesn't it eh? I've never voted tory in my life shug. But I not a sheep that will blindly follow a party no matter what they do. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 19, 2020 19:06:34 GMT
Emotions will be running high tonight and understandably particularly for any Stokies who are based in London/SE and were looking forward to some Festive plans.
By my reckoning this was about 75 hours before todays announcement.
I couldn't care less if you voted for him or not (the options were tragic) but we have people calling Starmer a Cunt and clamour for Nige Farage.
This is the leader of the country, our Prime Minister behaving like an utter prat and lying through his teeth and then making himself look even more incompetent.
The 4 nations approach was rebuffed before PMQ's had even finished.
He needs removing from office as it is simply not good enough.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 19:08:30 GMT
They've done this to try and absolve any blame.
They know people rightly won't listen then they can blame them when cases rise. Which they will anyway.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 19, 2020 19:08:48 GMT
40 million doses (20 million people) should be enough. Timing is another matter - though vaccination was always really about next winter with anything effective this winter being a bonus. That's the point I was making mate, haven't Pfizer now said, that they're not going to be able to provide us with the amount we ordered in the time frame we were hoping for? I don't think we can bank on getting enough Pfizer quick enough. |
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