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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 2:26:18 GMT
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Post by westlandstokie on Dec 19, 2020 6:23:04 GMT
Well after one day of good positive new...the first vaccines were given...it's back to the usual doom and gloom. I see some MSM outlets are calling this new stain of Covid a "Mutant" strain. Talk about putting fear into people ! My father in law is almost 90 and his wife is 85...before Covid they were active and were so positive...after not leaving their bungalow since March I have seen their health go downhill and the positivity has gone too...they are terrified of doing anything. The Government really need to start giving some positive news and fast because all this doom and gloom is going to give this country a mental health crisis that will you not believe
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 19, 2020 6:26:25 GMT
Pressure on hospitals 'at a really dangerous point'This is a really scary headline. But, read on... It also doesn’t reference the additional capacity made available through the Nightingale Hospitals and how that can help relieve the pressure on those hospitals that do experience an overload. This seems to me to be a poorly balanced article that fails to provide the full picture. And isn’t the first. Why is this the case? I think it’s more down to rubbish journalism than conspiracy.
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Post by werrington on Dec 19, 2020 6:32:39 GMT
Judging by your post a few days back it shouldn’t bother you anyway🙄 This thread has been a very good tool to find out who the wankers are on this site I must say. It has certainly has opened my eyes too There’s wankers on here who are happy for previously successful businesses to just go to the wall meaning people losing their livelihoods and homes and fuck them who were employed by those businesses or who supplied them And fuck those who’ve died alone in care homes or those who died of cancer or many many other illnesses as there were no operations or clinics for them to have the treatment they desperately needed Yeah I agree with you and finally we agree on something on this subject.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2020 7:52:08 GMT
Of course there is growing concern. Was it ever going to be any different? The minute Hancock pretty much dismissed it as something to be concerned about it was only a matter of time before it became the major concern. Definitely something Yes Prime Minister about that
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 19, 2020 8:03:38 GMT
This made me chuckle this morning
"despite taking preventative social distancing measures and even wearing PPE".
So when loads of politicians and journalists get covid over Christmas it was the new 'mutant' strain against which there is no defence. After all, they've all been staying at home and mixing with no one, wearing full hazmat gear, right?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 19, 2020 8:11:06 GMT
It's a shame to see posters falling out over this. It's been an unbelievably shit year, with all sorts of differing pressures and fears through the whole population. The politicians and media have been nothing short of disgraceful in the way they have conducted themselves and even the wider searches for information and data are treacherous with people trying to make a name for themselves. A new virus like this is almost a perfect shit show for our kind of individualistic society and I keep coming back to the fact that our government not having a detailed plan in place for an eventually like this is a gross dereliction of duty. Seems government is something more than managing an economy, at the very least this illustrates it needs to identify and plug the gaps not met by private commerce. Frankly the division in the population, and on here, is a symptom of this profound failure of leadership. To be honest we've done quite well really. This thread has kept on trundling all year through all that uncertainty, chaos and emotion, with barely a threat of a meeting at Sir Stans statue. Thank fuck we werent relegated in the middle of it all is all I can say. Up the Potters.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 19, 2020 8:23:54 GMT
This made me chuckle this morning "despite taking preventative social distancing measures and even wearing PPE". So when loads of politicians and journalists get covid over Christmas it was the new 'mutant' strain against which there is no defence. After all, they've all been staying at home and mixing with no one, wearing full hazmat gear, right? 'A Health Source'. It's more bullshit to add to this bullshit layer cake. This game will be played on and on and on. They've found the perfect control tool. And no-one is allowed to question or contradict measures. 2020 - the year that millions of years of evolved human immune system became made redundant. To replaced by stupid rules, regulations, destruction of lives, lockups, and long-planned constant jabs.
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Post by yeswilko on Dec 19, 2020 8:41:30 GMT
This made me chuckle this morning "despite taking preventative social distancing measures and even wearing PPE". So when loads of politicians and journalists get covid over Christmas it was the new 'mutant' strain against which there is no defence. After all, they've all been staying at home and mixing with no one, wearing full hazmat gear, right? 'A Health Source'. It's more bullshit to add to this bullshit layer cake. This game will be played on and on and on. They've found the perfect control tool. And no-one is allowed to question or contradict measures. 2020 - the year that millions of years of evolved human immune system became made redundant. To replaced by stupid rules, regulations, destruction of lives, lockups, and long-planned constant jabs. There's a highly infectious virus flying around duck and we've got a bunch of inept and corrupt posh twats in charge.
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Post by robstokie on Dec 19, 2020 8:47:32 GMT
This made me chuckle this morning "despite taking preventative social distancing measures and even wearing PPE". So when loads of politicians and journalists get covid over Christmas it was the new 'mutant' strain against which there is no defence. After all, they've all been staying at home and mixing with no one, wearing full hazmat gear, right? 'A Health Source'. It's more bullshit to add to this bullshit layer cake. This game will be played on and on and on. They've found the perfect control tool. And no-one is allowed to question or contradict measures. 2020 - the year that millions of years of evolved human immune system became made redundant. To replaced by stupid rules, regulations, destruction of lives, lockups, and long-planned constant jabs. The biggest issue is this though - that the whole situation has created a precedent that will be tough to break - it's given government more licence than ever before to intrude and interfere in people's business whilst, as well as scare-mongering and strong arming people into coercing, has also fuelled the fires of mob mentality attacking those of a contrarian position, as well as encouraging people to submit to the state in a number of ways (i.e. the window twitchers who interfere in others business by reporting people who break the rules). And, if you think it's bad in England... Try coming to Wales, where we are being led by an unelected jumped up marxist clown, who has used this as a chance to niggle and point score against the Tories - with a regime that has overseen the worst handling of the lot - less freedoms, less support for business yet more deaths and infections as well as the economy crumbling!
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 19, 2020 8:50:02 GMT
Pressure on hospitals 'at a really dangerous point'This is a really scary headline. But, read on... It also doesn’t reference the additional capacity made available through the Nightingale Hospitals and how that can help relieve the pressure on those hospitals that do experience an overload. This seems to me to be a poorly balanced article that fails to provide the full picture. And isn’t the first. Why is this the case? I think it’s more down to rubbish journalism than conspiracy. You're right, I find this so frustrating. 1. It suggests in the FIRST sentence that we are facing 'normal winter pressures'. Erm, no we aren't. Nothing about this year has been normal and so by definition the winter pressures we are facing will be different. 2. Like you point to, there is a lack of context, IT'S STILL LOWER THAN THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR. Honestly it just seems like the government are pulling the strings when it comes to the media, you just see the narrative and propaganda unravelling bit by bit. Plant the seed and slowly work on reinforcing it over a couple of weeks. There was an article only the other day saying that there were indications that death rates were dropping (from 20% excess at the end of November to 15% excess in the first week of December)
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 19, 2020 8:51:37 GMT
The new strain is just an excuse for the governments shit attempt at a lockdown. Their lockdown failed, it was clear it would fail and it's nothing more than a cover up for their failure. It was never strong enough and as predicted by a few on here..we could be facing another lockdown. It appears there are certain businesses the government want to keep going and others which they are willing to sacrifice to try and find some balance. We certainly aren't all in this together.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 19, 2020 9:06:34 GMT
The new strain is just an excuse for the governments shit attempt at a lockdown. Their lockdown failed, it was clear it would fail and it's nothing more than a cover up for their failure. It was never strong enough and as predicted by a few on here..we could be facing another lockdown. It appears there are certain businesses the government want to keep going and others which they are willing to sacrifice to try and find some balance. We certainly aren't all in this together. Do we know if there is any scientific explanation why the new strain is more contagious, a new strain existing and a rise in cases with this new strain is not the same as saying the new strain is more contagious. I suppose we’re so far from this government misusing and misrepresenting data it’s hardly even a thing.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 19, 2020 9:09:43 GMT
This thread has been a very good tool to find out who the wankers are on this site I must say. It has certainly has opened my eyes too There’s wankers on here who are happy for previously successful businesses to just go to the wall meaning people losing their livelihoods and homes and fuck them who were employed by those businesses or who supplied them And fuck those who’ve died alone in care homes or those who died of cancer or many many other illnesses as there were no operations or clinics for them to have the treatment they desperately needed Yeah I agree with you and finally we agree on something on this subject. What a load of bollocks, we all want the same thing but we have different opinions on how to achieve it.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 19, 2020 9:14:41 GMT
Call me cynical but unless the scientific advice has changed, the government seems to be reviving the “new strain” story to get its excuses in early for the resurgence of Covid cases and avoid an embarrassing and unpopular u-turn over Xmas.
It's clear that they've now seen what other countries are doing and their arses have started twitching because we aren't following suit.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 19, 2020 9:15:54 GMT
The new strain is just an excuse for the governments shit attempt at a lockdown. Their lockdown failed, it was clear it would fail and it's nothing more than a cover up for their failure. It was never strong enough and as predicted by a few on here..we could be facing another lockdown. It appears there are certain businesses the government want to keep going and others which they are willing to sacrifice to try and find some balance. We certainly aren't all in this together. Do we know if there is any scientific explanation why the new strain is more contagious, a new strain existing and a rise in cases with this new strain is not the same as saying the new strain is more contagious. I suppose we’re so far from this government misusing and misrepresenting data it’s hardly even a thing. They don't have any evidence and Hancock said there was none to support the claim but threw it out there anyway. There has been a few different strains, there is a time line showing different strains becoming more dominant since the beginning. There was one posted here a while a go but not sure where it was from. The government take people for mugs because most of them are.
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Post by franklin on Dec 19, 2020 9:35:26 GMT
'A Health Source'. It's more bullshit to add to this bullshit layer cake. This game will be played on and on and on. They've found the perfect control tool. And no-one is allowed to question or contradict measures. 2020 - the year that millions of years of evolved human immune system became made redundant. To replaced by stupid rules, regulations, destruction of lives, lockups, and long-planned constant jabs. There's a highly infectious virus flying around duck and we've got a bunch of inept and corrupt posh twats in charge. It seems as though there are posh inept twats in about every country in the world because none of them have worked it out.
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Post by werrington on Dec 19, 2020 9:37:28 GMT
It has certainly has opened my eyes too There’s wankers on here who are happy for previously successful businesses to just go to the wall meaning people losing their livelihoods and homes and fuck them who were employed by those businesses or who supplied them And fuck those who’ve died alone in care homes or those who died of cancer or many many other illnesses as there were no operations or clinics for them to have the treatment they desperately needed Yeah I agree with you and finally we agree on something on this subject. What a load of bollocks, we all want the same thing but we have different opinions on how to achieve it. But you chose to quote me and not Hackett
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 9:57:00 GMT
That's simply because some people don't understand the definition of immunity. We've got people on here dismissing it, based on the results of flawed PCR tests which far more qualified people than me have explained will deliver many false positives based on dead virus which has been fought off by the body's immune system. And then there are those (the vast majority as it turns out) who will be currently infected with virus but are displaying moderate, mild or no symptoms at all because their immune system is doing its job. They're either not listening or not interested.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 19, 2020 9:57:43 GMT
What a load of bollocks, we all want the same thing but we have different opinions on how to achieve it. But you chose to quote me and not Hackett I read from the back page 1st like any normal person , not singling you out, I'm not part of a group you know and can't be arsed with all the us and them attitude which seems to have consumed this thread. The same applies no matter what your view.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2020 10:26:48 GMT
That's simply because some people don't understand the definition of immunity. We've got people on here dismissing it, based on the results of flawed PCR tests which far more qualified people than me have explained will deliver many false positives based on dead virus which has been fought off by the body's immune system. And then there are those (the vast majority as it turns out) who will be currently infected with virus but are displaying moderate, mild or no symptoms at all because their immune system is doing its job. They're either not listening or not interested. No people were dismissing it as a thing without a vaccine. It’s a theory based around vaccines and without one it’s a deadly theory. That’s what people were dismissing.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2020 10:56:41 GMT
Stick Granny in the garden on Christmas day and let her eat her roast turkey on her own out in the cold.
Merry fucking Christmas. The pro Covid Gestapo.
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Post by franklin on Dec 19, 2020 11:03:05 GMT
Stick Granny in the garden on Christmas day and let her eat her roast turkey on her own on in the cold. Merry fucking Christmas. The pro Covid Gestapo. I'm fortunate I'm too old for a granny now or indeed a parent so I guess I'm out in the cold 🥶 only issue is its my house lol.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 19, 2020 11:17:06 GMT
Call me cynical but unless the scientific advice has changed, the government seems to be reviving the “new strain” story to get its excuses in early for the resurgence of Covid cases and avoid an embarrassing and unpopular u-turn over Xmas. It's clear that they've now seen what other countries are doing and their arses have started twitching because we aren't following suit. The reason the rate is high is SCHOOLS. The same place most bugs get transmitted. New strain my arse. Maybe an excuse to deal out more dosh to their friends? Government are in panic mode now, hence directive to schools on the day they break up (or the day after in my case) to organise Testing over Christmas!!! Thanks for keeping the economy going and Happy Xmas!!!
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 11:19:59 GMT
Stick Granny in the garden on Christmas day and let her eat her roast turkey on her own on in the cold. Merry fucking Christmas. The pro Covid Gestapo. All we need is nice thick covering of snow and job's a good 'un.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 19, 2020 11:28:20 GMT
The fucking Evening Standard confused 50% with 50x in terms of the relative infectivity of the strain. Yet there’s no published notice of correction, the article now says %, so anyone seeing the article first time round will genuinely believe it now has an R of over 60.
Laughable how totally unaccountable these sources are. I really do despair at times.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 19, 2020 11:54:13 GMT
Here we go. Christmas cancelled 😂 Isn't it funny how these things magically transpire at around exactly the same point the opposition and media pressurise the government into a decision they don't want to make. It's not just the media and the opposition, its the people on the front line : BBC News - Pressure on hospitals 'at a really dangerous point' www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55362681Typical BBC anecdotal fear mongering. It's like this every winter. I can draw this story from pretty much any year from the last ten or so. BBC are accomplices in the lies. I wonder how many old people they are responsible for killing by scaring them into staying at home?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2020 11:55:18 GMT
Stick Granny in the garden on Christmas day and let her eat her roast turkey on her own on in the cold. Merry fucking Christmas. The pro Covid Gestapo. I'm fortunate I'm too old for a granny now or indeed a parent so I guess I'm out in the cold 🥶 only issue is its my house lol. 😂 Wrap up mate! And if you dare set foot in that house, you will be tortured and arrested... And snitched on.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 19, 2020 12:52:52 GMT
With the schools finished for Christmas and not back until the New Year will the slowing transmission in that environment balance out any increase in circulation due to meeting at Christmas I wonder?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2020 13:05:20 GMT
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