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Post by questionable on Dec 19, 2020 13:13:00 GMT
I caught a glimpse of a “so called” Covid safe school on the TV last night, which was basically loads of kids inches apart, as per the norm, this along with get yourself out for a discounted meal and months and months of horse shit what you can and can’t do and what you can do for Xmas is the main reason why things are as they are, well this and a small percentage of people don’t give a shit.
There’s absolutely no way that these restrictions can be policed, what’s the answer I have absolutely no idea but the government are their own worse enemies with 8 months or so of a total balls up and not learning week by week
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2020 13:16:47 GMT
The vaccine stops it. The government told us that last week
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 13:20:17 GMT
Days after his Health Minister said there was nothing to suggest it's more serious. Arses and elbows spring to mind.
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 13:25:36 GMT
The fucking Evening Standard confused 50% with 50x in terms of the relative infectivity of the strain. Yet there’s no published notice of correction, the article now says %, so anyone seeing the article first time round will genuinely believe it now has an R of over 60. Laughable how totally unaccountable these sources are. I really do despair at times.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 19, 2020 13:26:15 GMT
The fucking Evening Standard confused 50% with 50x in terms of the relative infectivity of the strain. Yet there’s no published notice of correction, the article now says %, so anyone seeing the article first time round will genuinely believe it now has an R of over 60. Laughable how totally unaccountable these sources are. I really do despair at times. George Osborne still there by any chance? He was always a details man.
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Post by chad on Dec 19, 2020 13:44:44 GMT
I caught a glimpse of a “so called” Covid safe school on the TV last night, which was basically loads of kids inches apart, as per the norm, this along with get yourself out for a discounted meal and months and months of horse shit what you can and can’t do and what you can do for Xmas is the main reason why things are as they are, well this and a small percentage of people don’t give a shit. There’s absolutely no way that these restrictions can be policed, what’s the answer I have absolutely no idea but the government are their own worse enemies with 8 months or so of a total balls up and not learning week by week Add to that the Governments of France Spain Italy Germany Belgium and almost every country Blame the Govt if you want to but it would appear that nobody else as a decent solution to COVID either
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 19, 2020 13:49:57 GMT
I caught a glimpse of a “so called” Covid safe school on the TV last night, which was basically loads of kids inches apart, as per the norm, this along with get yourself out for a discounted meal and months and months of horse shit what you can and can’t do and what you can do for Xmas is the main reason why things are as they are, well this and a small percentage of people don’t give a shit. There’s absolutely no way that these restrictions can be policed, what’s the answer I have absolutely no idea but the government are their own worse enemies with 8 months or so of a total balls up and not learning week by week I think the corridors in the schools that Government ministers went to were probably a bit more spacious than those in most Secondary Schools Attachment Deleted
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Post by starkiller on Dec 19, 2020 13:59:27 GMT
Stick Granny in the garden on Christmas day and let her eat her roast turkey on her own out in the cold. Merry fucking Christmas. The pro Covid Gestapo. She'll be in room with the windows open, freezing to death, surrounded by green fumes.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2020 14:04:42 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2020 14:05:05 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Dec 19, 2020 14:11:21 GMT
Everytime you watch one of these folk it's like you are watching a naughty child spinning a yarn. They know they are lying. He's a deeply sinister propagandist, a 77th brigader, which now targets its own citizens, and is something akin to what is found in CCP China. Frightening, isn't it. The
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2020 14:15:40 GMT
Call me cynical but unless the scientific advice has changed, the government seems to be reviving the “new strain” story to get its excuses in early for the resurgence of Covid cases and avoid an embarrassing and unpopular u-turn over Xmas. It's clear that they've now seen what other countries are doing and their arses have started twitching because we aren't following suit. And only because it’s happening down south
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Post by werrington on Dec 19, 2020 14:24:19 GMT
Call me cynical but unless the scientific advice has changed, the government seems to be reviving the “new strain” story to get its excuses in early for the resurgence of Covid cases and avoid an embarrassing and unpopular u-turn over Xmas. It's clear that they've now seen what other countries are doing and their arses have started twitching because we aren't following suit. And only because it’s happening down south Amazing isn’t it We keep getting told the virus doesn’t know it’s Christmas in order to justify the restrictions but this new strain only knows it’s in south London and Kent where the government wants to tighten restrictions ....It really is a strange virus at ( convenient ) times
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 19, 2020 14:29:35 GMT
Hospitals in Kent have had to cancel non urgent treatment because of the increased covid cases.
This is the argument that seems to go over people's heads. If Covid was under control cancelling non urgent treatment wouldn't be required.
The moral of the story is if you don't control it then you get all the other things you don't want, not the other way around.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2020 14:32:35 GMT
Hospitals in Kent have had to cancel non urgent treatment because of the increased covid cases. This is the argument that seems to go over people's heads. If Covid was under control cancelling non urgent treatment wouldn't be required. The moral of the story is if you don't control it then you get all the other things you don't want, not the other way around. Come on mate you know you can’t talk common sense like that on this thread
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 19, 2020 14:40:48 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 14:50:01 GMT
Unfortunately the article that Freddie links to is behind a paywall, so I've only got his headline to go on but it looks encouraging nevertheless.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2020 15:02:22 GMT
Ive been trying to find some balanced comment on the new variant of the virus, this thread seems pretty decent, it's about a 6 min read ...
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 19, 2020 15:15:24 GMT
Sadly for me and I know many disagree but it’s a forum for opinion
We are now on the precipice of complete and predictable loss of control as warned by many , They should never have reopened the schools and colleges which have become a hot bed of infection and reinfection into the community ,again as so many teachers included warned , with no economic benefit and have given momentum to the virus they now can’t stop , followed by a pathetically weak lockdown in name only , the seeds of the winter disaster were sown in the autumn they are now being forced to do as they should have done but as ever will do too little too late . This oh so inevitable lockdown predicted by so many , and the damage it does sits with their failure to make the right decisions and will be a long hard two month affair in an attempt to wrestle a semblance of control back . Absolute proof it’s not the virus or the economy it’s the virus before anything meaningful can be done to help the economy , we didn’t rebuild London and Coventry when the bombs were falling we won the first battle first and moved on to the second only after the first was done .But it has to be total commitment to win the first one , long hard enough to get a R number below .7 and a meaningful vaccine total , not schools , shops and protests are all fine and dandy and then wonder why we keep losing control . No slogans , false dawn optimism just absolute focus on the R number reduction and getting the vaccine out .You can’t treat sick people in a hospital overrun with Covid , you have to beat the Covid first all roads to recovery are dependent on controlling the virus not pandering to popular view it’s horrible and intolerably hard but the half way house had proved a disaster destroying the economy and losing control the worst possible outcome . 150, 000 deaths by the anniversary of lockdown 1 is now a very very real possibility , even with the measures ,new strain or not it’s out of control I agree that may be a red herring but the core issue of loss of control and NHS breakdown remains indisputable , without the right action now 150,000 will be the minimum it’s only time at this rate of infection growth now before the days of four figure deaths are back with us and the 30,000 a month soon rockets the total
Catastrophic for the economy , the country and individuals and families alike but if we don’t act now the pain ahead will only be greater and to focus only on the south east is just to postpone the day of judgement the regional approach has proved time and time again to just promote the tallest dwarf syndrome in the public who can’t be trusted to follow any degree of complexity see the surge since lockdown 2 even if it was anything but a lockdown .
All the pain coming our way is deferred from failing in the summer and autumn , no referral now I note to the great free spirit of the Swedish approach which has failed hard hard yards is the only way
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 19, 2020 15:33:08 GMT
I'm finding some of the conspiracy thoughts on this thread utterly baffling. I think this government are a bunch of lying tosspots who make shit up on the hoof but the idea they are going through this ridiculous dance for any more contrived or sinister reason than incompetence and wishful thinking in the face of a complex and challenging reality is, in my opinion, way off the mark.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 19, 2020 15:45:06 GMT
I like this way of presenting the data. I hadn't realised quite how badly the 'muh freedoms' nutters in America had cocked things up.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 19, 2020 16:06:01 GMT
I like this way of presenting the data. I hadn't realised quite how badly the 'muh freedoms' nutters in America had cocked things up. Only one had a hard lockdown and properly closed it’s borders for a sustained period. And now has the closest to normal lifestyle with full house sports stadia
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 16:06:56 GMT
Hospitals in Kent have had to cancel non urgent treatment because of the increased covid cases. This is the argument that seems to go over people's heads. If Covid was under control cancelling non urgent treatment wouldn't be required. The moral of the story is if you don't control it then you get all the other things you don't want, not the other way around. Come on mate you know you can’t talk common sense like that on this thread Are you two the chuckle brothers?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 19, 2020 16:07:28 GMT
I like this way of presenting the data. I hadn't realised quite how badly the 'muh freedoms' nutters in America had cocked things up. Only one had a hard lockdown and properly closed it’s borders for a sustained period. And now has the closest to normal lifestyle with full house sports stadia Only one is at the arse end of nowhere though. Geography makes a massive difference
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Post by starkiller on Dec 19, 2020 16:07:43 GMT
Get the pubs open.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2020 16:07:46 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 19, 2020 16:08:35 GMT
Ive been trying to find some balanced comment on the new variant of the virus, this thread seems pretty decent, it's about a 6 min read ... That's an excellent thread, Paul. Clear and succinct.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 19, 2020 16:10:22 GMT
Only one had a hard lockdown and properly closed it’s borders for a sustained period. And now has the closest to normal lifestyle with full house sports stadia Only one is at the arse end of nowhere though. Geography makes a massive difference Understood but we don’t how Much as none of the others did the same
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 19, 2020 16:12:06 GMT
Only one had a hard lockdown and properly closed it’s borders for a sustained period. And now has the closest to normal lifestyle with full house sports stadia Only one is at the arse end of nowhere though. Geography makes a massive difference I'm sorry but borders are under our control and people have been going to NZ. Other countries have followed a zero covid policy and are similarly open internally. I was sceptical whether it would turn out to be the right policy. At the moment, it shits all over ours.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 16:13:58 GMT
They're just literally making shit up now.
Some will fall for it hook line and sinker.
Yes Boris, no Boris.
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