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Post by starkiller on Dec 18, 2020 18:18:42 GMT
Dangerous fraudsters as well. Just like the anti-vax people. Menace to society. And don't forget the 'great reset' conspiracy theorists. There's a lot of brain washed people in the world. The BBC tells you it's a conspiracy theory. It's in a book written by its leader Klaus Schwab. It's on the world economic forum website. The BBC tells you this is simply a talking shop and has no influence on politicians. Yet politicians around the world have been using their slogan 'build back better'. Pure accident, I suppose. Maybe they're also brainwashed? They are intertwined with the World Bank and have great power to make economic structural changes, particularly with nations in economic difficulty. And let's not forget the United Nations, and its Agenda 2030. And it's subsidiary, the WHO, currently dictating the use of PCR tests and other measures. I guess they also have no power. And their biggest investor, Gates, who also gives funds to the BBC, to Vallance, and to news media organisations, such as the guardian. I guess he has no influence too. It's all charity. He also wants to engineer the climate and dim the sun. Thanks Bill. www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/06/bill-gates-climate-scientists-geoengineeringThese fuckers really do believe they are gods over your life.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 18, 2020 18:20:57 GMT
This is interesting for some my lads flown home for Christmas he took a test in Germany which was negative but decided to go to the bet365 this morning just to be safe and he was amazed at how good the test center was in and out in less than 5mins. He said it was miles better than at home in Germany. Now now Franklin what do you think you are doing saying it’s worse in other countries. Don’t you know everything is worse in this country than everywhere else due to the Government's incompetence. How very dare you say it’s worse in Germany than here. Didn’t you know we are all Brexit loving uneducated Racists governed by a Government not fit for purpose.
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Post by hoffgreen on Dec 18, 2020 18:25:26 GMT
Fill yer boots 😁😁
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 18:27:05 GMT
And don't forget the 'great reset' conspiracy theorists. There's a lot of brain washed people in the world. The BBC tells you it's a conspiracy theory. It's in a book written by its leader Klaus Schwab. It's on the world economic forum website. The BBC tells you this is simply a talking shop and has no influence on politicians. Yet politicians around the world have been using their slogan 'build back better'. Pure accident, I suppose. Maybe they're also brainwashed? They are intertwined with the World Bank and have great power to make economic structural changes, particularly with nations in economic difficulty. And let's not forget the United Nations, and its Agenda 2030. And it's subsidiary, the WHO, currently dictating the use of PCR tests and other measures. I guess they also have no power. And their biggest investor, Gates, who also gives funds to the BBC, to Vallance, and to news media organisations, such as the guardian. I guess he has no influence too. It's all charity. He also wants to engineer the climate and dim the sun. Thanks Bill. Funnily enough I was reading all about him and the great reset theory only this afternoon and I'm happy to conclude it's all total bollocks.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 18, 2020 18:31:39 GMT
The BBC tells you it's a conspiracy theory. It's in a book written by its leader Klaus Schwab. It's on the world economic forum website. The BBC tells you this is simply a talking shop and has no influence on politicians. Yet politicians around the world have been using their slogan 'build back better'. Pure accident, I suppose. Maybe they're also brainwashed? They are intertwined with the World Bank and have great power to make economic structural changes, particularly with nations in economic difficulty. And let's not forget the United Nations, and its Agenda 2030. And it's subsidiary, the WHO, currently dictating the use of PCR tests and other measures. I guess they also have no power. And their biggest investor, Gates, who also gives funds to the BBC, to Vallance, and to news media organisations, such as the guardian. I guess he has no influence too. It's all charity. He also wants to engineer the climate and dim the sun. Thanks Bill. Funnily enough I was reading all about him and the great reset theory only this afternoon and I'm happy to conclude it's all total bollocks. Top many people are confusing the climate change argument with the great reset. Confusing it? These cunts are the ones deliberately bringing the two together in their promo materials. However, I'm happy that you have concluded that what they believe is total bollocks.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 18, 2020 18:38:43 GMT
Shes already spoke about this. She has a condition that makes her faint from pain, sometimes delayed.
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Post by franklin on Dec 18, 2020 18:41:16 GMT
This is interesting for some my lads flown home for Christmas he took a test in Germany which was negative but decided to go to the bet365 this morning just to be safe and he was amazed at how good the test center was in and out in less than 5mins. He said it was miles better than at home in Germany. Now now Franklin what do you think you are doing saying it’s worse in other countries. Don’t you know everything is worse in this country than everywhere else due to the Government's incompetence. How very dare you say it’s worse in Germany than here. Didn’t you know we are all Brexit loving uneducated Racists governed by a Government not fit for purpose. Oh well never mind I just thought I'd give another perceptive on how we do things. I know some will never ever admit we are doing some things well but to be fair I take no notice its all bullshit. I've seen the testing centre at Koln Airport and its not a patch on the bet365 set up.
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Post by werrington on Dec 18, 2020 18:46:02 GMT
I thought you worked in a hospital, this is basic knowledge to anyone who works in hospitals surely? Its not just about occupancy either as I'm sure you know, it's about staffing and if you've got just 10% of staff off isolating etc then you've got a serious problem. You still haven’t given me the 11k link The staffing levels m are down yeah but the bed thing you quoted is not true ....and that’s from me who works on the wards with my limited and basic knowledge of how they run 🙄
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2020 18:48:06 GMT
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 18, 2020 18:54:52 GMT
Now now Franklin what do you think you are doing saying it’s worse in other countries. Don’t you know everything is worse in this country than everywhere else due to the Government's incompetence. How very dare you say it’s worse in Germany than here. Didn’t you know we are all Brexit loving uneducated Racists governed by a Government not fit for purpose. Oh well never mind I just thought I'd give another perceptive on how we do things. I know some will never ever admit we are doing some things well but to be fair I take no notice its all bullshit. I've seen the testing centre at Koln Airport and its not a patch on the bet365 set up. I’ve never voted Tory in my life but I think they are trying to do a balancing act in impossible conditions. That wet fart Starmer just sits on the fence. The alternatives are let it rip or close the economy down What choice do they have really other than what at they are doing. People say they don’t understand the rules but it can’t be a one shoe fits all. I think a lot who are complaining that it is difficult to understand are just being difficult and unthoughtful to others
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Post by hoffgreen on Dec 18, 2020 18:58:20 GMT
Shes already spoke about this. She has a condition that makes her faint from pain, sometimes delayed. Yeah I tend to react to a bit from pain too! No worries, I thought it would be jumped on from both sides of the argument that's why I added the smiley things! She'll be fine just a bit of stage fright.... Being thrust into the MSM cameras and media spotlight has that effect 😉
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2020 19:04:58 GMT
Note for 2020-21 data Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat Covid and non-Covid patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case. The data suggests last year there were the following totals in Sept 2019 2nd Quarter 127186 2020 2nd Quarter 120828 6,358 different post re-organisation in England NHS trusts www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/As per my previous post using the same data average current occupancy is at about 95% in England. This includes the 15k or so positive Covid patients in hospital which hasn't increased the bed occupancy by 15k indicating they are not all Covid patients as such. The one thing that keeps getting mentioned in the news which I don't understand is the claim that the winter flu season will cause a compounded problem. All the data suggests there is no flu this year, probably as a result of reduced mixing.The current discharge rates are at about 1500 a day. The admissions are about 1700 today so a nett increase of about 200. If it stayed at that level we would be at 100% occupancy in the UK in 35 days or so. However and sadly that may be offset by any deaths if they occur in hospital. Obviously there are pretty significant regional variations in that bed vacancy figure since all patients can't travel any great distance for a bed. There is no problem with ventilator beds there is significant capacity. There is no doubt the NHS is busy and the challenge of dealing with asymptomatic Covid patients is a problem. Or because anyone who gets flu like symptoms, a cough or a tight chest who happens to go and get tested tests positive for Covid? Don't know about anyone else, but on the odd occasion when I've been knocked off my feet with what would ordinarily be described as flu like symptoms, I've invariably had a fever, a loss of taste for sure (not sure on smell to be honest as when you feel rough, the smell of everything makes you feel sick), muzzy head, feelings of fatigue and in my case, a tight chest as whenever I'm ill, it seems to manifest itself in some form of dry, chesty cough. I appreciate that it's not the same for everyone and that people have really struggled and died from it but flu affects everyone else differently as well. It is also very dangerous for those people who would appear to be the worst affected should they get Covid. Surely the decline in flu cases this year is because the vast majority of people who are experiencing flu like symptoms are testing positive for Covid? For the younger, reasonably fit and healthy, it seems to me at least, that they are desperate to wear having covid as some kind of badge of honour.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 18, 2020 19:08:51 GMT
MSM finally getting there ...
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Post by andystokey on Dec 18, 2020 19:14:46 GMT
The data suggests last year there were the following totals in Sept 2019 2nd Quarter 127186 2020 2nd Quarter 120828 6,358 different post re-organisation in England NHS trusts www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/As per my previous post using the same data average current occupancy is at about 95% in England. This includes the 15k or so positive Covid patients in hospital which hasn't increased the bed occupancy by 15k indicating they are not all Covid patients as such. The one thing that keeps getting mentioned in the news which I don't understand is the claim that the winter flu season will cause a compounded problem. All the data suggests there is no flu this year, probably as a result of reduced mixing.The current discharge rates are at about 1500 a day. The admissions are about 1700 today so a nett increase of about 200. If it stayed at that level we would be at 100% occupancy in the UK in 35 days or so. However and sadly that may be offset by any deaths if they occur in hospital. Obviously there are pretty significant regional variations in that bed vacancy figure since all patients can't travel any great distance for a bed. There is no problem with ventilator beds there is significant capacity. There is no doubt the NHS is busy and the challenge of dealing with asymptomatic Covid patients is a problem. Or because anyone who gets flu like symptoms, a cough or a tight chest who happens to go and get tested tests positive for Covid? Don't know about anyone else, but on the odd occasion when I've been knocked off my feet with what would ordinarily be described as flu like symptoms, I've invariably had a fever, a loss of taste for sure (not sure on smell to be honest as when you feel rough, the smell of everything makes you feel sick), muzzy head, feelings of fatigue and in my case, a tight chest as whenever I'm ill, it seems to manifest itself in some form of dry, chesty cough. I appreciate that it's not the same for everyone and that people have really struggled and died from it but flu affects everyone else differently as well. It is also very dangerous for those people who would appear to be the worst affected should they get Covid. Surely the decline in flu cases this year is because the vast majority of people who are experiencing flu like symptoms are testing positive for Covid? For the younger, reasonably fit and healthy, it seems to me at least, that they are desperate to wear having covid as some kind of badge of honour. Whatever the reason, people doing the modelling can't really use it as an excuse for an overload f the NHS you'd think. It can't simultaneously not be there and a fear factor in January was my point. It would need to spring from nowhere.
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Post by Davef on Dec 18, 2020 19:16:24 GMT
MSM finally getting there ... I Iove that "Sky News has learned" line. Yeah, just like the Statistics Guy and our very own Andy on this message board learned. And just like countless other normal members of the public and medical professionals have been learning for the past five or six months...many of them dismissed by the likes of Sky News.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 18, 2020 19:17:19 GMT
MSM finally getting there ... “Sky news has learned”, suppose like their transfer news, better late than never!
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Post by franklin on Dec 18, 2020 19:20:31 GMT
Oh well never mind I just thought I'd give another perceptive on how we do things. I know some will never ever admit we are doing some things well but to be fair I take no notice its all bullshit. I've seen the testing centre at Koln Airport and its not a patch on the bet365 set up. I’ve never voted Tory in my life but I think they are trying to do a balancing act in impossible conditions. That wet fart Starmer just sits on the fence. The alternatives are let it rip or close the economy down What choice do they have really other than what at they are doing. People say they don’t understand the rules but it can’t be a one shoe fits all. I think a lot who are complaining that it is difficult to understand are just being difficult and unthoughtful to others You're right you cant please all of the people etc I just fear millions of us are going to have their lives destroyed in the process. I saw an interesting fact that the average age of covid deaths is in the low 80's about 83 i think it was but the natural age of life expectancy is the high 70's so go figure.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 18, 2020 19:40:23 GMT
The data suggests last year there were the following totals in Sept 2019 2nd Quarter 127186 2020 2nd Quarter 120828 6,358 different post re-organisation in England NHS trusts www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/As per my previous post using the same data average current occupancy is at about 95% in England. This includes the 15k or so positive Covid patients in hospital which hasn't increased the bed occupancy by 15k indicating they are not all Covid patients as such. The one thing that keeps getting mentioned in the news which I don't understand is the claim that the winter flu season will cause a compounded problem. All the data suggests there is no flu this year, probably as a result of reduced mixing.The current discharge rates are at about 1500 a day. The admissions are about 1700 today so a nett increase of about 200. If it stayed at that level we would be at 100% occupancy in the UK in 35 days or so. However and sadly that may be offset by any deaths if they occur in hospital. Obviously there are pretty significant regional variations in that bed vacancy figure since all patients can't travel any great distance for a bed. There is no problem with ventilator beds there is significant capacity. There is no doubt the NHS is busy and the challenge of dealing with asymptomatic Covid patients is a problem. Or because anyone who gets flu like symptoms, a cough or a tight chest who happens to go and get tested tests positive for Covid? Don't know about anyone else, but on the odd occasion when I've been knocked off my feet with what would ordinarily be described as flu like symptoms, I've invariably had a fever, a loss of taste for sure (not sure on smell to be honest as when you feel rough, the smell of everything makes you feel sick), muzzy head, feelings of fatigue and in my case, a tight chest as whenever I'm ill, it seems to manifest itself in some form of dry, chesty cough. I appreciate that it's not the same for everyone and that people have really struggled and died from it but flu affects everyone else differently as well. It is also very dangerous for those people who would appear to be the worst affected should they get Covid. Surely the decline in flu cases this year is because the vast majority of people who are experiencing flu like symptoms are testing positive for Covid? For the younger, reasonably fit and healthy, it seems to me at least, that they are desperate to wear having covid as some kind of badge of honour. Spot on Dave.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 19:53:48 GMT
Or because anyone who gets flu like symptoms, a cough or a tight chest who happens to go and get tested tests positive for Covid? Don't know about anyone else, but on the odd occasion when I've been knocked off my feet with what would ordinarily be described as flu like symptoms, I've invariably had a fever, a loss of taste for sure (not sure on smell to be honest as when you feel rough, the smell of everything makes you feel sick), muzzy head, feelings of fatigue and in my case, a tight chest as whenever I'm ill, it seems to manifest itself in some form of dry, chesty cough. I appreciate that it's not the same for everyone and that people have really struggled and died from it but flu affects everyone else differently as well. It is also very dangerous for those people who would appear to be the worst affected should they get Covid. Surely the decline in flu cases this year is because the vast majority of people who are experiencing flu like symptoms are testing positive for Covid? For the younger, reasonably fit and healthy, it seems to me at least, that they are desperate to wear having covid as some kind of badge of honour. Whatever the reason, people doing the modelling can't really use it as an excuse for an overload f the NHS you'd think. It can't simultaneously not be there and a fear factor in January was my point. It would need to spring from nowhere. You were right with your first attempt : All the data suggests there is no flu this year, probably as a result of reduced mixing. No need to look for something that isn't there which is a massive addiction for some people on here.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2020 19:59:33 GMT
Whatever the reason, people doing the modelling can't really use it as an excuse for an overload f the NHS you'd think. It can't simultaneously not be there and a fear factor in January was my point. It would need to spring from nowhere. You were right with your first attempt : All the data suggests there is no flu this year, probably as a result of reduced mixing. No need to look for something that isn't there which is a massive thing for some people on here. As if there is no flu about. There is no way on earth our next day neighbour, who had a mild fever and feelings of tiredness, not wanting or feeling able to get out of bed, had anything other than the covid she tested positive for. The fact that she was right as rain within 3 days absolutely means she had covid and not some flu like illness that has been prevalent annually since jesus was a lad.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 20:08:15 GMT
You were right with your first attempt : All the data suggests there is no flu this year, probably as a result of reduced mixing. No need to look for something that isn't there which is a massive thing for some people on here. As if there is no flu about. There is no way on earth our next day neighbour, who had a mild fever and feelings of tiredness, not wanting or feeling able to get out of bed, had anything other than the covid she tested positive for. The fact that she was right as rain within 3 days absolutely means she had covid and not some flu like illness that has been prevalent annually since jesus was a lad. So your neighbour had mild symptoms of covid, then tested positive for Covid but just because they were OK after a few days you say it was just the flu? Well if that's your argument then I'll leave you to it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2020 20:10:39 GMT
As if there is no flu about. There is no way on earth our next day neighbour, who had a mild fever and feelings of tiredness, not wanting or feeling able to get out of bed, had anything other than the covid she tested positive for. The fact that she was right as rain within 3 days absolutely means she had covid and not some flu like illness that has been prevalent annually since jesus was a lad. So your neighbour had mild symptons symptoms of covid, then tested positive for Covid but just because they were OK after a few days you say it was just the flu? Well if that's your argument then I'll leave you to it. I suppose it's just a coincidence that the flu has practically disappeared then eh? No flu, all covid?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 18, 2020 20:13:57 GMT
So your neighbour had mild symptons symptoms of covid, then tested positive for Covid but just because they were OK after a few days you say it was just the flu? Well if that's your argument then I'll leave you to it. I suppose it's just a coincidence that the flu has practically disappeared then eh? No flu, all covid? The suggestion that the flu has somehow disappeared completely while a slightly more infectious respiratory illness is rampant is frankly ludicrous
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 20:13:57 GMT
So your neighbour had mild symptons symptoms of covid, then tested positive for Covid but just because they were OK after a few days you say it was just the flu? Well if that's your argument then I'll leave you to it. I suppose it's just a coincidence that the flu has practically disappeared then eh? No flu, all covid? No it's not a coincidence. As Andy first suggested, as there is much less social mixing, hand sanitising and social distancing in place and considering the flu is less contagious than Covid then you've got your answer.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 18, 2020 20:20:25 GMT
Can we go back to just having the normal flu please? I don't want a 20% average increase of deaths.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 20:25:15 GMT
MSM finally getting there ... By 2022 they'll have realised that having a scotch egg or a beer in a pub isn't more dangerous than walking around tesco 😊 By 2024 they'll realise the economy's fucked and we're bankrupt.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 18, 2020 20:50:15 GMT
22 billion on track n trace to Tory donors and yet hospitals are the most dangerous place. Media getting that story clear could be very bad for the government.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 18, 2020 20:58:43 GMT
I suppose it's just a coincidence that the flu has practically disappeared then eh? No flu, all covid? No it's not a coincidence. As Andy first suggested, as there is much less social mixing, hand sanitising and social distancing in place and considering the flu is less contagious than Covid then you've got your answer. Or due to the fact that the flu and Covid are both coronaviruses and the tests are designed to pick up coronaviruses, so if you do have the flu you’re likely to test positive for Covid as it’s part of the same family, especially with these Tesco value tests they’re using. Every other illness hasn’t just dried up and buggered off on holiday for a while despite the world acting like it has.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 21:09:36 GMT
No it's not a coincidence. As Andy first suggested, as there is much less social mixing, hand sanitising and social distancing in place and considering the flu is less contagious than Covid then you've got your answer. Or due to the fact that the flu and Covid are both coronaviruses and the tests are designed to pick up coronaviruses, so if you do have the flu you’re likely to test positive for Covid as it’s part of the same family, especially with these Tesco value tests they’re using. Every other illness hasn’t just dried up and buggered off on holiday for a while despite the world acting like it has. Flu is not a type of coronavirus.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 18, 2020 21:31:01 GMT
News Reports suggesting
Emergency ministerial briefing tonight from Downing Street to discuss - New strain - Rising cases
Expect tougher restrictions to be briefed as early as this weekend
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