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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2020 15:30:21 GMT
January lockdown here we come 🙄 You sound like you thought there might not be a Jan lockdown? Was always going to happen. I was hopeful there wouldn’t be yes but obviously naivety on my part
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 15:46:40 GMT
Nightingale hospitals and Armed forces medical staff ? I'm sure they must have just put the stuff in a big warehouse somewhere ? Ouch, that's gonna hurt the pro lockdown mob 😉
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Post by werrington on Dec 18, 2020 15:54:33 GMT
Ouch, that's gonna hurt the pro lockdown mob 😉 The last two winters prior to this year have been horrendous with A&E and wards not able to cope and were at breaking point with around 3-4 critical incidents declared and ambulances backed up or sent elsewhere with their patients It’s criminal how the media are not telling people this to put minds at rest
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 16:02:03 GMT
Ouch, that's gonna hurt the pro lockdown mob 😉 The last two winters prior to this year have been horrendous with A&E and wards not able to cope and were at breaking point with around 3-4 critical incidents declared and ambulances backed up or sent elsewhere with their patients It’s criminal how the media are not telling people this to put minds at rest Indeed mate. The lamestream media has taken their bullshit to a new level. At what point does their fake, censored reporting in a time of national crisis become a criminal offence? Its one thing having political bias and opinion (albeit the BBC should be neutral), but these vile outfits are outwright lying to the public as part of their utterly sick agenda to outrage and scare. They are saying things intentionally, with zero context, to scare the public shitless and its disgusting.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 16:16:10 GMT
The last two winters prior to this year have been horrendous with A&E and wards not able to cope and were at breaking point with around 3-4 critical incidents declared and ambulances backed up or sent elsewhere with their patients It’s criminal how the media are not telling people this to put minds at rest Indeed mate. The lamestream media has taken their bullshit to a new level. At what point does their fake, censored reporting in a time of national crisis become a criminal offence? Its one thing having political bias and opinion (albeit the BBC should be neutral), but these vile outfits are outwright lying to the public as part of their utterly sick agenda to outrage and scare. They are saying things intentionally, with zero context, to scare the public shitless and its disgusting. The BBC is just reporting what the medical professionals are telling then. What do you want them to say, "sorry Chris Hopson chief executive of health providers, and Danielle Brydon head of Faculty of Intensive Care but we can't allow you to voice your opinion on national TV"?
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Post by werrington on Dec 18, 2020 16:18:07 GMT
Indeed mate. The lamestream media has taken their bullshit to a new level. At what point does their fake, censored reporting in a time of national crisis become a criminal offence? Its one thing having political bias and opinion (albeit the BBC should be neutral), but these vile outfits are outwright lying to the public as part of their utterly sick agenda to outrage and scare. They are saying things intentionally, with zero context, to scare the public shitless and its disgusting. The BBC is just reporting what the medical professionals are telling then. What do you want them to say, "sorry Chris Hopson chief executive of health providers, and Danielle Brydon head of Faculty of Intensive Care but we can't allow you to voice your opinion on national TV"? There’s medical professionals telling them it happens every winter but they choose not to mention it
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 16:19:29 GMT
Ouch, that's gonna hurt the pro lockdown mob 😉 It's not just as simple as headline figures though is it. We are 11,000 beds down this year from last due to social distancing in hospitals and the separation of departments between covid and non covid patients. People just post figures without actually delving into what the figures actually mean.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 16:22:37 GMT
Indeed mate. The lamestream media has taken their bullshit to a new level. At what point does their fake, censored reporting in a time of national crisis become a criminal offence? Its one thing having political bias and opinion (albeit the BBC should be neutral), but these vile outfits are outwright lying to the public as part of their utterly sick agenda to outrage and scare. They are saying things intentionally, with zero context, to scare the public shitless and its disgusting. The BBC is just reporting what the medical professionals are telling then. What do you want them to say, "sorry Chris Hopson chief executive of health providers, and Danielle Brydon head of Faculty of Intensive Care but we can't allow you to voice your opinion on national TV"? I expect them to give a full, honest picture of the story they are telling. Why are they not putting a positive spin on this and highlighting that amazingly, hospitals are actually less full than at the same time last year? Or worst case they could at least highlight that the hospitals are always fucked at this time of year, which is a total non story. And there's your answer... It's a non story and therefore it doesn't sell.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 16:24:13 GMT
The BBC is just reporting what the medical professionals are telling then. What do you want them to say, "sorry Chris Hopson chief executive of health providers, and Danielle Brydon head of Faculty of Intensive Care but we can't allow you to voice your opinion on national TV"? I expect them to give a full, honest picture of the story they are telling. Why are they not putting a positive spin on this and highlighting that amazingly, hospitals are actually less full than at the same time last year? But they're not, see my last post
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Post by werrington on Dec 18, 2020 16:25:52 GMT
Ouch, that's gonna hurt the pro lockdown mob 😉 It's not just as simple as headline figures though is it. We are 11,0000 beds down this year from last due to social distancing in hospitals and the separation of departments between covid and non covid patients. People just post figures without actually delving into what the figures actually mean. That’s not true
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 16:27:15 GMT
It's not just as simple as headline figures though is it. We are 11,0000 beds down this year from last due to social distancing in hospitals and the separation of departments between covid and non covid patients. People just post figures without actually delving into what the figures actually mean. That’s not true I suggest you do some research.
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Post by werrington on Dec 18, 2020 16:28:27 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 16:40:51 GMT
Note for 2020-21 data Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat Covid and non-Covid patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case.
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Post by werrington on Dec 18, 2020 16:44:55 GMT
Note for 2020-21 data Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat Covid and non-Covid patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case. 11,000?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 16:49:11 GMT
Note for 2020-21 data Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat Covid and non-Covid patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case. 11,000? I thought you worked in a hospital, this is basic knowledge to anyone who works in hospitals surely? Its not just about occupancy either as I'm sure you know, it's about staffing and if you've got just 10% of staff off isolating etc then you've got a serious problem.
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Post by Davef on Dec 18, 2020 16:58:41 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 17:15:34 GMT
"Blanket lockdowns represent a complete and utter failure of imagination". Co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration just now on talkradio. Bang on.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 18, 2020 17:19:51 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 17:24:53 GMT
"Blanket lockdowns represent a complete and utter failure of imagination". Co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration just now on talkradio. Bang on. I thought the government was trying it's hardest to avoid blanket lockdowns by using the 3 tier system.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 17:25:30 GMT
I mean locking 70 million people at home for a year to stop a mild virus that affects only a tiny proportion of the elderly population is hardly imaginative is it? Lazy, pathetic, dumb and destructive maybe.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 17:26:16 GMT
"Blanket lockdowns represent a complete and utter failure of imagination". Co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration just now on talkradio. Bang on. I thought the government was trying it's hardest to avoid blanket lockdowns by using the 3 tier system. We are basically in lockdown, come on let's not pretend tier 3 represents freedom 😂
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 18, 2020 17:30:24 GMT
I don’t understand how the number of cases is still rising.
People must surely be having more social contact than permitted?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 17:31:34 GMT
I thought the government was trying it's hardest to avoid blanket lockdowns by using the 3 tier system. We are basically in lockdown, come on let's not pretend tier 3 represents freedom 😂 Well just down the road in Cheshire East and Shropshire they are in tier 2, that's not a blanket lockdown is it. If Starmer has his way we'd have Xmas cancelled and we'd be in a permanent lockdown until its all over.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 17:34:14 GMT
I don’t understand how the number of cases is still rising. People must surely be having more social contact than permitted? London and South East mate is driving it where previously they'd been fairly low and even around here the decline in cases has now stopped and will be on the rise again shortly.
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Post by Davef on Dec 18, 2020 17:37:06 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 18, 2020 17:38:50 GMT
We are basically in lockdown, come on let's not pretend tier 3 represents freedom 😂 Well just down the road in Cheshire East and Shropshire they are in tier 2, that's not a blanket lockdown is it. If Starmer has his way we'd have Xmas cancelled and we'd be in a permanent lockdown until its all over. Well yeah but with respect, Cheshire and Shropshire being in tier 2 isn't much use to the vast majority of the country. Oh don't get me wrong, Starmer is a disgrace and I'm not quite sure what planet he's on or what opinion he has on anything.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 18, 2020 17:42:46 GMT
I mean locking 70 million people at home for a year to stop a mild virus that affects only a tiny proportion of the elderly population is hardly imaginative is it? Lazy, pathetic, dumb and destructive maybe. I didn't say it was imaginative did I? But when you've been widely debunked - as the GBD has (unethical, overly simplistic and simply not possible were some of the comments in the likes of the Lancet and the BMJ) - then you might want to wind your neck in a bit.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2020 17:47:02 GMT
Well just down the road in Cheshire East and Shropshire they are in tier 2, that's not a blanket lockdown is it. If Starmer has his way we'd have Xmas cancelled and we'd be in a permanent lockdown until its all over. Well yeah but with respect, Cheshire and Shropshire being in tier 2 isn't much use to the vast majority of the country. I was pointing out that we are not using a 'blanket lockdown' as you suggested as a third of the country are in tier 2.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 18, 2020 18:08:59 GMT
Note for 2020-21 data Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat Covid and non-Covid patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case. The data suggests last year there were the following totals in Sept 2019 2nd Quarter 127186 2020 2nd Quarter 120828 6,358 different post re-organisation in England NHS trusts www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/As per my previous post using the same data average current occupancy is at about 95% in England. This includes the 15k or so positive Covid patients in hospital which hasn't increased the bed occupancy by 15k indicating they are not all Covid patients as such. The one thing that keeps getting mentioned in the news which I don't understand is the claim that the winter flu season will cause a compounded problem. All the data suggests there is no flu this year, probably as a result of reduced mixing. The current discharge rates are at about 1500 a day. The admissions are about 1700 today so a nett increase of about 200. If it stayed at that level we would be at 100% occupancy in the UK in 35 days or so. However and sadly that may be offset by any deaths if they occur in hospital. Obviously there are pretty significant regional variations in that bed vacancy figure since all patients can't travel any great distance for a bed. There is no problem with ventilator beds there is significant capacity. There is no doubt the NHS is busy and the challenge of dealing with asymptomatic Covid patients is a problem.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 18, 2020 18:15:39 GMT
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