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Post by hcstokie on Dec 15, 2020 20:44:07 GMT
Its beyond sick they are just disgusting. That is a downright disgrace. I’ve been sensible throughout lockdown but you can’t put this shit out. As if this year hasn’t been bad enough without adding on guilt and stress of actually meeting up with some of your loved ones finally. Fuck off! We all want out of this mess but putting crap out like this isn’t the way to do it. Maybe close the fucking nurseries, schools, universities and open up the nightingale hospitals to take COVID cases out of hospitals if you’re that bothered. I try to be balanced and pragmatic when looking at the situation we’re in but that is an absolute disgrace.
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Post by franklin on Dec 15, 2020 20:50:55 GMT
Its beyond sick they are just disgusting. That is a downright disgrace. I’ve been sensible throughout lockdown but you can’t put this shit out. As if this year hasn’t been bad enough without adding on guilt and stress of actually meeting up with some of your loved ones finally. Fuck off! We all want out of this mess but putting crap out like this isn’t the way to do it. Maybe close the fucking nurseries, schools, universities and open up the nightingale hospitals to take COVID cases out of hospitals if you’re that bothered. I try to be balanced and pragmatic when looking at the situation we’re in but that is an absolute disgrace. Absolutely mate and its not the first one put out to guilt people into obedience or scare people for the same reason.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 15, 2020 20:51:43 GMT
So actually the Government are complicit with allowing us to "kill our families" is that what he means? Or are we the public to be blamed now for going about our lawful business? Where the video for send your Nan into hospital for a routine op and kill her!! It’s a disgrace
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 15, 2020 20:58:08 GMT
Totally ridiculous. How long will it be until we see the first legal case brought against someone for passing on the virus? Hopefully it'll never happen but surely that's the logical conclusion of this line of thinking.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 15, 2020 20:58:45 GMT
This is outrageous, he should be ousted from his position with immediate effect. “Just before bed, Councillor Ejiofor popped onto Twitter, and killed his career in the process”. Fucking wanker.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 15, 2020 20:58:58 GMT
So actually the Government are complicit with allowing us to "kill our families" is that what he means? Or are we the public to be blamed now for going about our lawful business? Where the video for send your Nan into hospital for a routine op and kill her!! It’s a disgrace There's more chance than meeting your asymptomatic gran after a run, that she catches Covid going to a hospital. Do you think they could send one out that says don't go to work and kill your colleagues and your boss?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 15, 2020 21:01:31 GMT
Interesting article in the Sunday Times about events leading up to the second wave - linkFor fans of Gupta, Heneghan and Tegnell the good news is they did influence government policy. The bad news is it didn't work - and the resulting longer restrictions are going to have a worse effect on the economy than the proposed harder, earlier lockdowns they successfully helped persuade Johnson out of. Also the article claims Cummings became an advocate of short sharp lockdowns and he or someone in his area was probably responsible for the lockdown leak which was done to stop Johnson from flip flopping yet again. Johnson comes over as very weak and indecisive - his wanting people to like him makes him pretty useless as a leader in a time of crisis. A counter argument from Freddie Sayers of Unherd, who has been just about the most balanced journalist throughout the pandemic. And another... www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/14/five-things-that-sunday-times-insight-piece-gets-wrong/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 15, 2020 21:04:22 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 15, 2020 21:25:42 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 15, 2020 21:32:27 GMT
That last article you posted is very well constructed it would be nice to see the ST respond
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 15, 2020 21:36:06 GMT
Just for a bit of light-hearted relief... The last two jokes in particular can sum up this thread
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 15, 2020 21:39:23 GMT
Pertinent questions ...
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Post by andystokey on Dec 15, 2020 21:44:04 GMT
Just for a bit of light-hearted relief... The last two jokes in particular can sum up this thread Attachment Deleted
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Post by starkiller on Dec 15, 2020 21:59:57 GMT
If that's how it works, it would make gangster films very uninteresting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 22:36:13 GMT
When are they announcing the latest tiers?
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Post by wammy on Dec 15, 2020 23:09:48 GMT
When are they announcing the latest tiers? Tomorrow, but with the current load on the local hospitals don’t expect stoke or staffordshire to reduce a level.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2020 0:32:26 GMT
John Lee ...
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2020 8:00:14 GMT
Good line that manipulate people’s behaviour by waving a shroud in front of them
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 16, 2020 9:03:13 GMT
But I've just watched an advert on the TV (for the flu jab) stating that the flu kills on average 10000 people every year. Not this year it hasn't. They aren't even trying to hide their lies anymore as there's plenty of people begging to swallow it. If you have a look at the WHO's 'flunet' website you can see the incidence levels of flu for this year. www.who.int/influenza/gisrs_laboratory/flunet/charts/en/Flu has completely disappeared. It's a miracle. I can kind of understand the argument that covid is dominating influenza in the virome, so it isn't getting a chance to infect as many people. But for it to completely disappear? It's not credible is it? Maybe estrangedsonoffaye can shed some light. This makes sense to me since covid is more infectious than most flus. It's maths, not magic. Normally 100 people with flu give it to about 130 others, bad strains like 2009's are a bit more, like ~150. 100 people with covid give it to about 300 other people if we act normally, like what happened before first lockdown. Now lots of us are being more careful with masks and distancing. Let's say we only contact half as many people as before, then covid still spreads because 100 people still give it to 150 others, but flu crashes because 100 only give it to 65. Here's a graph to show what happens, it's just the maths of virus spread.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2020 9:33:35 GMT
When are they announcing the latest tiers? I wouldn’t be expecting much change Now London’s in the shit they aren’t about to let others lose
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 16, 2020 9:35:42 GMT
When are they announcing the latest tiers? I wouldn’t be expecting much change Now London’s in the shit they aren’t about to let others lose Yup there'll probably be a couple of token downgrades but the order of the day will be tier 3's all around.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2020 9:47:49 GMT
I wouldn’t be expecting much change Now London’s in the shit they aren’t about to let others lose Yup there'll probably be a couple of token downgrades but the order of the day will be tier 3's all around. I reckon there may be a couple of drops from tier three to two And maybe somewhere like Cumbria may drop to tier one as a example of look if you behave this is what will happen The rest will pretty much stop the same
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 9:59:17 GMT
Just when you thought Labour couldn't get any more detached from the working man, they start pushing hard to cancel Christmas.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 16, 2020 10:11:14 GMT
That last article you posted is very well constructed it would be nice to see the ST respond The first piece is vacuous but I agree the second is measured and well argued. Like you I'd like to see that discussion continued. The article is particularly good at questioning the causal relation between government policy and events on the ground and I agree the original article may have over played that card. However the piece doesn't address some of the key points in the Sunday Times article - Johnson's flip flopping due to him trying to keep everyone happy, Cummings conversion to short sharp lockdowns, the leak about the national lockdown to stop Johnson from changing his mind yet again and the subsequent sackings all of which paint a pretty sorry picture of the workings of government.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 16, 2020 10:18:47 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 10:28:35 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Sorry but its frankly disgusting that you're defending that video. We've seen some vile stuff on twitter over the years but this is right up there.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 16, 2020 10:34:31 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Covid shaming and blaming is in full swing now. The news outlets this morning awash with the message that Christmas kills granny, travelling is irresponsible etc. All because Boris doesn't want to be the Grinch and upset his back benches before a crucial Brexit vote. The same libertarian right wanting less restrictions are the same MPs in the ERG. Linked to your Sunday Times story it's a lack of leadership. So now the natural consequence is to blame the people. They are selfish, they are irresponsible. Guilt, shame, blame, new strain. Those that don't have Christmas are the pious and worthy, those that follow the measures outlined are irresponsible and selfish. Shameful.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 16, 2020 10:58:06 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Like bringing your Covid free elderly relative into a hospital where they may contract it... I’m very surprised that you can’t see what’s wrong with that video, it’s disgraceful, scaremongering and to be frank just leads to further polarisation
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Post by hcstokie on Dec 16, 2020 11:12:27 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. I’m sorry but that video is disgusting. If we shouldn’t be doing those things then the government should take the unpopular decision and shut everything down again. They won’t because they’re more concerned about popularity and votes than taking unpopular decisions. What should not happen is to try and blame people for acting within the allowed guidelines. If the guidelines result in people ‘killing’ and ‘murdering’ mum and dad or their grandparents then change the fucking guidance.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 16, 2020 11:16:27 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Covid shaming and blaming is in full swing now. The news outlets this morning awash with the message that Christmas kills granny, travelling is irresponsible etc. All because Boris doesn't want to be the Grinch and upset his back benches before a crucial Brexit vote. The same libertarian right wanting less restrictions are the same MPs in the ERG. Linked to your Sunday Times story it's a lack of leadership. So now the natural consequence is to blame the people. They are selfish, they are irresponsible. Guilt, shame, blame, new strain. Those that don't have Christmas are the pious and worthy, those that follow the measures outlined are irresponsible and selfish. Shameful. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioural_Insights_Team
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