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Post by andystokey on Dec 16, 2020 11:20:57 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Like bringing your Covid free elderly relative into a hospital where they may contract it... I’m very surprised that you can’t see what’s wrong with that video, it’s disgraceful, scaremongering and to be frank just leads to further polarisation The duplicity of messaging is just ridiculous. The last week of school and the South East has overwhelmingly proven that the predominant age group in new cases is school age children. Yet the Education Secretary writes a snotogram to authorities threatening legal action if they dare to close and study from home. A sensible precaution could have been give this group 2 weeks before Xmas to isolate before meeting granny. It would also have the effect of reducing overall cases before January. Shifting half term by two weeks in favour of a shorter Easter break would be a compromise.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 16, 2020 11:34:18 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. You will defend absolutely anything they come up with won't you?
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 16, 2020 12:07:41 GMT
It's all been worth it for this.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2020 12:08:39 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. You will defend absolutely anything they come up with won't you? Who’s this they ?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 12:52:56 GMT
You will defend absolutely anything they come up with won't you? Who’s this they ? The pro lockdown gestapo ☺️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2020 13:11:38 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Dec 16, 2020 13:25:58 GMT
What needs more attention in the coming weeks is the scale of those historical spikes in January without fanfare from two very harsh flu winters, the NHS coped. Both those events happened under new Labour when NHS spending had increased. We are hitting this one in a post austerity NHS. They always get missed off the 5 year average chart.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 16, 2020 13:26:38 GMT
The standout period was largely the high point of 40,000 (at last count) excess care home deaths.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 13:32:09 GMT
It's all been worth it for this. Sounds to me like old Edwina loves a bit of cock up her arse.
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 16, 2020 13:47:44 GMT
It's all been worth it for this. Sounds to me like old Edwina loves a bit of cock up her arse. I think the implication is that John Major does too
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 16, 2020 13:58:24 GMT
This also gives perspective on the figures we keep being told about how there are still excess deaths compared to the previous 5 year average. The last 5 years have seen relatively low winter excess death rates compared to the 20 year average. This also has the effect of making a bad year more likely - the fact that the average age of death from covid is over the average age of death from all causes is testament to this. It's a crude and possibly upsetting point, but there were lots of people alive at the start of this year who at other times would have died in the previous 5 year period.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2020 14:13:14 GMT
What needs more attention in the coming weeks is the scale of those historical spikes in January without fanfare from two very harsh flu winters, the NHS coped. Both those events happened under new Labour when NHS spending had increased. We are hitting this one in a post austerity NHS. They always get missed off the 5 year average chart. Indeed Andy. I have absolutely zero recollection of the flu epidemic of 99/2000, all I remember of that winter is people being terrified of the millennium bug but no doubt had THAT epidemic been reported in the same way as this one, then your average Joe in the street would have been calling for economy destroying lock downs in much the same way.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 14:15:40 GMT
This "back to normal by Easter" is all starting to look a little farfetched.
These cunts are going to be restricting us for months yet aren't they.
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Post by Davef on Dec 16, 2020 14:17:16 GMT
We're destroying the fabric of our society for a regular respiratory season. And people are cheering it on and demanding more.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 16, 2020 14:18:19 GMT
What I find sick is the pissy over reaction to a fairly innocuous reminder that there is a causal relation between behaviour and vulnerable people dying of covid. It's almost like people don't what to be reminded that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Fairly innocuous reminder? Calling young people murderers over just trying to live a normal life is innocuous is it? I’m beyond words as to how you’ve defended this, it’s abhorrent on every single level.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2020 14:19:20 GMT
We're destroying the fabric of our society for a regular respiratory season. And people are cheering it on and demanding more.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 16, 2020 14:32:22 GMT
The duplicity of messaging is just ridiculous. The last week of school and the South East has overwhelmingly proven that the predominant age group in new cases is school age children. Yet the Education Secretary writes a snotogram to authorities threatening legal action if they dare to close and study from home. A sensible precaution could have been give this group 2 weeks before Xmas to isolate before meeting granny. It would also have the effect of reducing overall cases before January. Shifting half term by two weeks in favour of a shorter Easter break would be a compromise. The net result of doing this would be any parent who works for a living would either have to book 2 weeks additional leave off or (most likely) ship their kids off to grandparents to look after while they go to/do work. Meanwhile many kids in poverty will be left to their own devices and go without meals/any meaningful structure. Not quite as easy as you think is it? I have four kids I think I get it. You might just take a look at achool attendence in Essex which is about 40% currently. I didnt say it was easy, the messaging is duplicitous. Anyway we are off to kill granny.
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 16, 2020 14:58:58 GMT
The net result of doing this would be any parent who works for a living would either have to book 2 weeks additional leave off or (most likely) ship their kids off to grandparents to look after while they go to/do work. Meanwhile many kids in poverty will be left to their own devices and go without meals/any meaningful structure. Not quite as easy as you think is it? I have four kids I think I get it. You might just take a look at achool attendence in Essex which is about 40% currently. I didnt say it was easy, the messaging is duplicitous. Anyway we are off to kill granny. I've killed her twice this week. She's a tough old mare.
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Post by Northy on Dec 16, 2020 16:44:16 GMT
What needs more attention in the coming weeks is the scale of those historical spikes in January without fanfare from two very harsh flu winters, the NHS coped. Both those events happened under new Labour when NHS spending had increased. We are hitting this one in a post austerity NHS. They always get missed off the 5 year average chart. Indeed Andy. I have absolutely zero recollection of the flu epidemic of 99/2000, all I remember of that winter is people being terrified of the millennium bug but no doubt had THAT epidemic been reported in the same way as this one, then your average Joe in the street would have been calling for economy destroying lock downs in much the same way. we didn't have social media whipping things up back the either
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Post by Northy on Dec 16, 2020 16:50:42 GMT
This also gives perspective on the figures we keep being told about how there are still excess deaths compared to the previous 5 year average. The last 5 years have seen relatively low winter excess death rates compared to the 20 year average. This also has the effect of making a bad year more likely - the fact that the average age of death from covid is over the average age of death from all causes is testament to this. It's a crude and possibly upsetting point, but there were lots of people alive at the start of this year who at other times would have died in the previous 5 year period. Global warming then no bad winters for a while , people surviving the milder winters, oldies previously disappearing to Benidorm for 3 months some dying there, better treatments and people living longer maybe, lots of things to throw into the mix How do you see the last 5 years were lower from that chart ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2020 17:16:13 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 16, 2020 17:46:20 GMT
You will defend absolutely anything they come up with won't you? Who’s this they ? The ones who make the rules, the ones who make stupid videos like that, the ones who want to lock us down forever. Literally any lockdown nazi who conforms to his deeply entrenched views.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 16, 2020 17:54:43 GMT
Drakeford is a complete cunt. Welsh Labour face massive losses at the next assembly elections
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Post by Davef on Dec 16, 2020 18:11:30 GMT
Drakeford is a complete cunt. Welsh Labour face massive losses at the next assembly elections He's certainly not a great advert for how Labour would've handled this is he?
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2020 18:18:25 GMT
611 deaths recorded today.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 16, 2020 18:27:59 GMT
Drakeford is a complete cunt. Welsh Labour face massive losses at the next assembly elections He's certainly not a great advert for how Labour would've handled this is he? I honestly think the jumped up little hitter is using this as his 15 minutes of fame He’s hated in wales. A lot of welsh people at the beginning can see the measures in the big towns and cities but dont really accept the reasoning in the rural areas where covid is so much lower. I think both him and sturgeon have used this an extra excuse to show they have power.
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 16, 2020 18:30:30 GMT
This also gives perspective on the figures we keep being told about how there are still excess deaths compared to the previous 5 year average. The last 5 years have seen relatively low winter excess death rates compared to the 20 year average. This also has the effect of making a bad year more likely - the fact that the average age of death from covid is over the average age of death from all causes is testament to this. It's a crude and possibly upsetting point, but there were lots of people alive at the start of this year who at other times would have died in the previous 5 year period. Global warming then no bad winters for a while , people surviving the milder winters, oldies previously disappearing to Benidorm for 3 months some dying there, better treatments and people living longer maybe, lots of things to throw into the mix How do you see the last 5 years were lower from that chart ? Just zoom right in and have a look for the appropriate coloured lines. They're towards the bottom of the range. The chap has put together the same chart but going back to 1993 and using September as the start point
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 16, 2020 18:33:31 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 16, 2020 19:00:09 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 19:07:59 GMT
Keir Starmer wants to call an emergency cobra meeting to discuss cancelling Christmas 😂😂😂
The material comedians have for the next few centuries is fucking golden.
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