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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 13:00:39 GMT
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Post by Northy on Dec 8, 2020 13:11:13 GMT
I accept the numbers issued by genuine medical and government authorities with a healthy sense check they may be out by a factor of 14% either way , that’s still 1.5million deaths world wide , the equivalent if 1/4 of the holocaust , or 3000 jumbo jets being crashed into the ground in a single year 8 a day m I’d say that merits pandemic status but admittedly I’m not a doctor , as a result I’d expect a significant media campaign rather than a back page article in the leek post and times 1.5 million deaths worldwide equates to less than 3% of all deaths this year. And at the risk of offending anybody (and it has been acknowledged by several leading sources), it should be pointed out that a large percentage of people who have sadly succumbed to the virus would have died this year anyway. If you want to start bringing up the Holocaust as a comparison to Covid deaths (which is questionably in rather poor taste), then consider that there have been over 7 millions deaths of children under 5 already this year, more than 10 million more deaths from communicable diseases (including 460,000 seasonal flu deaths), over 1.5M HIV/Aids deaths, over 1 million suicides and 1.2 road traffic fatalities. The pandemic hit hard in the spring and is now an endemic seasonal virus that will hopefully be combated with the help of the vaccines. Other measures are now totally disproportionate. Who are these leading sources, I can't remember seeing anyone say that most of them would have died this year, many could have gone on to live for quite a few years involved with families and communities? We would have had a lot more if we hadn't locked down and kept people away from care homes and other places after the initial cock up. You don't seem to think about long covid, a friend of mine managed to sit up in bed yesterday, tried to regulate his breathing on his own, the first time in weeks, he was in ICU for a week, after he had come out his lung collapsed, his scan last week shows scarring on his lungs, he is a far way off knowing how it's going to affect him. He's under 60, in good shape, no underlying conditions, worked in an NHS walk in centre How many thousands are there like that and going to need resources from the NHS for a long time He's obviously had it for longer than 28 days, so if he died would he miss the daily totals?
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Post by musik on Dec 8, 2020 13:16:12 GMT
Press conference:
A woman just showed a graph saying Sweden has six times more Corona cases now compared to march/april the 1st wave peak.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 8, 2020 13:17:50 GMT
So it appears we went into a month's long national lockdown not because cases more than doubled, but because they rose be just 0.59 per 10,000 people. Its absolutely scandalous and unforgivable. Add to that despite all the promises the government did nothing to improve T&T while they had the break.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 8, 2020 13:19:09 GMT
The vaccine is exactly the same as the flu jab. It's job is to prepare the body to repel the virus so any (if any) symptons do happen to you they are so reduced that your body will not be overcome by it. Because of how it works, it will reduce hospital admissions massively. As an example, my daughter's father-in-law, a reasonably healthy 75yo, caught it two weeks ago, was admitted to Royal Stoke, and he died yesterday of horrible complications. Had he had the vaccine he very probably would still be here today.
If anybody doesn't want to take the virus then that's their business if they want to take the chance on going through what he went through.
OS.
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 8, 2020 13:21:47 GMT
Appologies if my quick math is out but there's roughly 2.2 Million in Staffordshire and Cheshire so 3.3% of the population. 61,434 Covid related deaths nationally would give us just over 2,000 deaths based on % so 1,437 is if anything on the low side isn't it ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 13:32:24 GMT
Appologies if my quick math is out but there's roughly 2.2 Million in Staffordshire and Cheshire so 3.3% of the population. 61,434 Covid related deaths nationally would give us just over 2,000 deaths based on % so 1,437 is if anything on the low side isn't it ? I thought the figures were for Stoke on Trent and North Staffs? It should have been kept well under control in Stoke, there aren't huge numbers passing through the city
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 13:35:28 GMT
2000 more deaths last week than the 5 year average.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 13:35:56 GMT
So it appears we went into a month's long national lockdown not because cases more than doubled, but because they rose be just 0.59 per 10,000 people. Is that in light of the revised ONS figure for mid October? If so, it's a pretty scandalous adjustment isn't it?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 13:37:43 GMT
2000 more deaths last week than the 5 year average. What's the YTD position on excess deaths?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 13:38:58 GMT
2000 more deaths last week than the 5 year average. What's the YTD position on excess deaths? About 80,000.
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 8, 2020 13:44:08 GMT
Appologies if my quick math is out but there's roughly 2.2 Million in Staffordshire and Cheshire so 3.3% of the population. 61,434 Covid related deaths nationally would give us just over 2,000 deaths based on % so 1,437 is if anything on the low side isn't it ? I thought the figures were for Stoke on Trent and North Staffs? It should have been kept well under control in Stoke, there aren't huge numbers passing through the city 324 SOT 113 Staff Moorlands 197 Newcastle 175 Stafford Borough 628 Cheshire East Considering these figures include hospital registered deaths (Which I presume doesn't take into account residency but I may well be wrong) and that Royal Stoke takes patients from North Wales amongst other areas you're painting Stoke in very bad light for no reason IMO.
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 8, 2020 13:49:02 GMT
2000 more deaths last week than the 5 year average. What's the YTD position on excess deaths? Upto week ending 27th November it was 64,737
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Post by andystokey on Dec 8, 2020 13:49:40 GMT
What's the YTD position on excess deaths? About 80,000. That's against the 5 year average. This is where we are compared with the last 30 years. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 15:33:53 GMT
I thought the figures were for Stoke on Trent and North Staffs? It should have been kept well under control in Stoke, there aren't huge numbers passing through the city 324 SOT 113 Staff Moorlands 197 Newcastle 175 Stafford Borough 628 Cheshire East Considering these figures include hospital registered deaths (Which I presume doesn't take into account residency but I may well be wrong) and that Royal Stoke takes patients from North Wales amongst other areas you're painting Stoke in very bad light for no reason IMO. I'm not painting stoke in a bad light, there's no agenda. I read the article and felt genuinely sad there's been 1.5k deaths in north Staffs. That's far too many
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2020 15:48:41 GMT
The vaccine is exactly the same as the flu jab. It's job is to prepare the body to repel the virus so any (if any) symptons do happen to you they are so reduced that your body will not be overcome by it. Because of how it works, it will reduce hospital admissions massively. As an example, my daughter's father-in-law, a reasonably healthy 75yo, caught it two weeks ago, was admitted to Royal Stoke, and he died yesterday of horrible complications. Had he had the vaccine he very probably would still be here today. If anybody doesn't want to take the virus then that's their business if they want to take the chance on going through what he went through. OS. Oh my goodness, I'm very sorry to hear that.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2020 15:50:55 GMT
What's the YTD position on excess deaths? About 80,000.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2020 16:41:51 GMT
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Post by Northy on Dec 8, 2020 16:52:34 GMT
So it appears we went into a month's long national lockdown not because cases more than doubled, but because they rose be just 0.59 per 10,000 people. Its absolutely scandalous and unforgivable. Add to that despite all the promises the government did nothing to improve T&T while they had the break. Did you read all the thread, they updated data on the 4th December, the government went on data given to them at the time
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Post by Northy on Dec 8, 2020 16:58:38 GMT
How many reduced RTA and other contact avoided death numbers this year, that may make up the difference?
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2020 17:34:51 GMT
We'll be north of 70k around New Years Eve.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 8, 2020 17:37:24 GMT
Its absolutely scandalous and unforgivable. Add to that despite all the promises the government did nothing to improve T&T while they had the break. Did you read all the thread, they updated data on the 4th December, the government went on data given to them at the time You don't think it's a scandal that the government are making massive decisions (that effect millions of people's livelihoods) based on dodgy data, it's not like there wasn't plenty of people (on this very thread) calling it out at the time?
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Post by andystokey on Dec 8, 2020 17:38:43 GMT
Its absolutely scandalous and unforgivable. Add to that despite all the promises the government did nothing to improve T&T while they had the break. Did you read all the thread, they updated data on the 4th December, the government went on data given to them at the time Who are we defending, the ONS or the Government because they are essentially the same institution? To base such a monumental decision on flawed data is scandalous and unforgivable imo. Edit: and least we forget we (via the PM) were bumped into it by a leak that we still don't know how, who or the motivation.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 8, 2020 17:52:42 GMT
And the Oscar for best supporting actor goes to...
I nearly burst my bladder this morning he was even less convincing than his golden globe for his step, step grandfather.
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2020 18:09:05 GMT
And the Oscar for best supporting actor goes to... I nearly burst my bladder this morning he was even less convincing than his golden globe for his step, step grandfather. He makes my skin crawl. And then there's Piers Morgan's tweet. How far can one man's tongue go up another's arse?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 8, 2020 18:15:57 GMT
And the Oscar for best supporting actor goes to... I nearly burst my bladder this morning he was even less convincing than his golden globe for his step, step grandfather. Actor? There's no acting going on there, he's sat on national TV literally laughing at people taking the vaccine.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 8, 2020 18:44:52 GMT
And the Oscar for best supporting actor goes to... I nearly burst my bladder this morning he was even less convincing than his golden globe for his step, step grandfather. He makes my skin crawl. And then there's Piers Morgan's tweet. How far can one man's tongue go up another's arse? I feel sorry for Hercules Grytpype-Thynne, Charlie Hunt and Captain Hugh Jampton. They were due to be vaccinated first until Hancocks PPS saw William on the list below them. I personally think Charlie would have been an equally great headline.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 8, 2020 19:25:44 GMT
And the Oscar for best supporting actor goes to... I nearly burst my bladder this morning he was even less convincing than his golden globe for his step, step grandfather. He makes my skin crawl. And then there's Piers Morgan's tweet. How far can one man's tongue go up another's arse? As much as I despise this government people like Hancock have had nearly a year of making life and death decisions. Yes the economy has taken a battering but they've put lives above both their ideology and their personal popularity. It's fucking easy to snipe from the sidelines - especially when you're living in a consequence free environment. Watching some old geezers proudly taking the (albeit small) risk to take a vaccine that marks the beginning of the end of the pandemic is an emotional moment for anyone who takes this situation seriously - especially those people having to make decisions on the front line of public policy. Fuck anyone who doesn't get that.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 8, 2020 19:31:52 GMT
He makes my skin crawl. And then there's Piers Morgan's tweet. How far can one man's tongue go up another's arse? As much as I despise this government people like Hancock have had nearly a year of making life and death decisions. Yes the economy has taken a battering but they've put lives above both their ideology and their personal popularity. It's fucking easy to snipe from the sidelines - especially when you're living in a consequence free environment. Watching some old geezers proudly taking the (albeit small) risk to take a vaccine that marks the beginning of the end of the pandemic is an emotional moment for anyone who takes this situation seriously - especially those people having to make decisions on the front line of public policy. Fuck anyone who doesn't get that. Oh please, Do you honestly think he was genuine? That's two weeks on the trot his ego has got in on the good news story and diluted the genuine moment that some genuine heroes made happen.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 8, 2020 19:32:23 GMT
He makes my skin crawl. And then there's Piers Morgan's tweet. How far can one man's tongue go up another's arse? As much as I despise this government people like Hancock have had nearly a year of making life and death decisions. Yes the economy has taken a battering but they've put lives above both their ideology and their personal popularity. It's fucking easy to snipe from the sidelines - especially when you're living in a consequence free environment. Watching some old geezers proudly taking the (albeit small) risk to take a vaccine that marks the beginning of the end of the pandemic is an emotional moment for anyone who takes this situation seriously - especially those people having to make decisions on the front line of public policy. Fuck anyone who doesn't get that. There's no point trying mate, some people can't see beyond the tribal political bollocks.
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