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Post by werrington on Dec 8, 2020 8:40:01 GMT
William Shakespeare of Warwickshire is officially the 2nd person to get it at Coventry hospital 😂 Is she wearing special protective glasses? 😷 Yes
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2020 8:41:12 GMT
The Taming of the Covid or Much Ado About Nothing according to some :-)
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Post by musik on Dec 8, 2020 8:45:08 GMT
Statistical errors?
When comparing the official corona death cases for Sweden at the website, with the daily corona stats on our text-tv here there is a huge difference!
One number not long ago had its explanation, told by duckling on here, they've collected the cases on Monday for the whole weekend. That's why it was higher. But then again, day by day, from Tuesday and so on, the number was high.
But when I now just look at the official corona website for it, our only above 100 death cases was back in April. And as DaveF pointed out, I think it has been a total of three days.
In november the number according to text-tv was definitely above 100 - and it was not on a Monday, and it was not just one single day. They reported that several times.
Is it a way to make us more aware, wear a face mask or what? Why this discrepancy?
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Post by musik on Dec 8, 2020 8:49:48 GMT
Is she wearing special protective glasses? 😷 Yes Why? Is this the vaccine that requires a -70°C temperature? Yesterday, one responsible person at a hospital said they don't have that kind of freezers available here in Sweden. He wondered how the heck other countries manage. 😄
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2020 8:55:35 GMT
Why? Is this the vaccine that requires a -70°C temperature? Yesterday, one responsible person at a hospital said they don't have that kind of freezers available here in Sweden. He wondered how the heck other countries manage. 😄 I thought it would be cold enough in the Nordics to just leave the vaccines outside :-)
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 9:06:10 GMT
I haven't seen acting this bad since Afellay got sent off against The Baggies......
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 8, 2020 9:13:14 GMT
I haven't seen acting this bad since Afellay got sent off against The Baggies...... I think he's crying because he's devastated that they're actually not sticking to the official advice (see sign on window behind Mr. Shakespeare).
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 8, 2020 9:28:43 GMT
What on earth makes you think you are qualified to give medical advice? I hold the same medical qualifications as Bill Gates. I am actually not giving medical advice, only reporting what was put out. And on a thread full of people accusing folk like me of being selfish for not wanting an unnecessary vaccine, where long term effects are unknown, and telling me what I should do with my own body, what you say is pretty ironic. Here's the info from our supposed drug tsar: mol.im/a/8888581This info about reducing symptoms was well known, also mentioned by Fauci, but now more suppressed as it doesn't fit the 'herd immunity', 'selfish-idiot' propaganda being used to promote this jab. If you believe in this jab, the only person to 'suffer' from not taking it is the person themselves. People should have a right to do whatever they like regarding this jab, without societal consequences. Is this too much to ask? Anything different reeks of an alternative agendas, beyond simple immunisation from an illness. The article is from October - before the the phase 3 test results were announced. The person making the announcement was the recently sacked "Vaccine Tzar" Kate Bingham, wife of Tory minister Jesse Norman. Her area of expertise appears to be draining the public purse into her and her friends' back pockets, not the effectiveness of vaccines. You really don't know what you are talking about. A virus needs a host in order to replicate. If your body does not fight off the virus it uses your cells to replicate and the less well your body fights off the virus the more virus that circulates in your body and the more likely you are to become ill and infect others. The vaccines (there is more than one) encourages your body to produce anti bodies and T Cells which kill the virus should you become infected. This means there is less virus circulating in your body which means you are less likely to develop symptoms AND less likely to infect others. Some medicines only treat symptoms - like a throat lozenge. Vaccines work by addressing the cause of the disease - which results in individuals not allowing the virus to replicate which in turn stops individuals from developing the disease and becoming uber infectious. The phase 3 tests have only shown the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing people from becoming ill. What is not known is how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread - this will only be known as the vaccine is rolled out. What is known (on the basis of how vaccines work) is that it will reduce re-infection because the amount of virus in circulation will be massively reduced. It's one thing being a selfish bastard and not participate in a vaccination programme. It's quite another to spread misinformation about a vaccine with the express intention of convincing others not to participate and thereby undermine it's success in saving lives. Let me be absolutely clear - if people follow your pig ignorant advice many people will die of covid-19 who would not have had they not followed your advice - either as a result of not taking a vaccine that would have prevented them from becoming ill or as a result of the virus not being suppressed through vaccine induced herd immunity. You have crossed over from being a harmless loon with some wacky theories into being a danger to the general public. Don't you understand why MI5 are on your case? It's because if you and your fellow travellers have their way people will die of a now curable disease and their job is to protect society from dangerous lunatics whether they be armed with semtex or weaponized stupidity.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 8, 2020 9:29:47 GMT
I wonder how quickly the results of the vaccine will show up in the number of cases. Hopefully by mid January we'll see them rapidly falling which means we'll perhaps be able to fill Wembley up for our League Cup final in February. Wouldn't that be a great day?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 9:40:24 GMT
I wonder how quickly the results of the vaccine will show up in the number of cases. Hopefully by mid January we'll see them rapidly falling which means we'll perhaps be able to fill Wembley up for our League Cup final in February. Wouldn't that be a great day? Personally think cases won't settle, constant testing etc etc... The figure to watch closely should be deaths, hopefully they should fall off a cliff come March time.
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2020 9:58:00 GMT
I hold the same medical qualifications as Bill Gates. I am actually not giving medical advice, only reporting what was put out. And on a thread full of people accusing folk like me of being selfish for not wanting an unnecessary vaccine, where long term effects are unknown, and telling me what I should do with my own body, what you say is pretty ironic. Here's the info from our supposed drug tsar: mol.im/a/8888581This info about reducing symptoms was well known, also mentioned by Fauci, but now more suppressed as it doesn't fit the 'herd immunity', 'selfish-idiot' propaganda being used to promote this jab. If you believe in this jab, the only person to 'suffer' from not taking it is the person themselves. People should have a right to do whatever they like regarding this jab, without societal consequences. Is this too much to ask? Anything different reeks of an alternative agendas, beyond simple immunisation from an illness. The article is from October - before the the phase 3 test results were announced. The person making the announcement was the recently sacked "Vaccine Tzar" Kate Bingham, wife of Tory minister Jesse Norman. Her area of expertise appears to be draining the public purse into her and her friends' back pockets, not the effectiveness of vaccines. You really don't know what you are talking about. A virus needs a host in order to replicate. If your body does not fight off the virus it uses your cells to replicate and the less well your body fights off the virus the more virus that circulates in your body and the more likely you are to become ill and infect others. The vaccines (there is more than one) encourages your body to produce anti bodies and T Cells which kill the virus should you become infected. This means there is less virus circulating in your body which means you are less likely to develop symptoms AND less likely to infect others. Some medicines only treat symptoms - like a throat lozenge. Vaccines work by addressing the cause of the disease - which results in individuals not allowing the virus to replicate which in turn stops individuals from developing the disease and becoming uber infectious. The phase 3 tests have only shown the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing people from becoming ill. What is not known is how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread - this will only be known as the vaccine is rolled out. What is known (on the basis of how vaccines work) is that it will reduce re-infection because the amount of virus in circulation will be massively reduced. It's one thing being a selfish bastard and not participate in a vaccination programme. It's quite another to spread misinformation about a vaccine with the express intention of convincing others not to participate and thereby undermine it's success in saving lives. Let me be absolutely clear - if people follow your pig ignorant advice many people will die of covid-19 who would not have had they not followed your advice - either as a result of not taking a vaccine that would have prevented them from becoming ill or as a result of the virus not being suppressed through vaccine induced herd immunity. You have crossed over from being a harmless loon with some wacky theories into being a danger to the general public. Don't you understand why MI5 are on your case? It's because if you and your fellow travellers have their way people will die of a now curable disease and their job is to protect society from dangerous lunatics whether they be armed with semtex or weaponized stupidity. That's Out!
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Post by starkiller on Dec 8, 2020 9:58:34 GMT
I hold the same medical qualifications as Bill Gates. I am actually not giving medical advice, only reporting what was put out. And on a thread full of people accusing folk like me of being selfish for not wanting an unnecessary vaccine, where long term effects are unknown, and telling me what I should do with my own body, what you say is pretty ironic. Here's the info from our supposed drug tsar: mol.im/a/8888581This info about reducing symptoms was well known, also mentioned by Fauci, but now more suppressed as it doesn't fit the 'herd immunity', 'selfish-idiot' propaganda being used to promote this jab. If you believe in this jab, the only person to 'suffer' from not taking it is the person themselves. People should have a right to do whatever they like regarding this jab, without societal consequences. Is this too much to ask? Anything different reeks of an alternative agendas, beyond simple immunisation from an illness. The article is from October - before the the phase 3 test results were announced. The person making the announcement was the recently sacked "Vaccine Tzar" Kate Bingham, wife of Tory minister Jesse Norman. Her area of expertise appears to be draining the public purse into her and her friends' back pockets, not the effectiveness of vaccines. You really don't know what you are talking about. A virus needs a host in order to replicate. If your body does not fight off the virus it uses your cells to replicate and the less well your body fights off the virus the more virus that circulates in your body and the more likely you are to become ill and infect others. The vaccines (there is more than one) encourages your body to produce anti bodies and T Cells which kill the virus should you become infected. This means there is less virus circulating in your body which means you are less likely to develop symptoms AND less likely to infect others. Some medicines only treat symptoms - like a throat lozenge. Vaccines work by addressing the cause of the disease - which results in individuals not allowing the virus to replicate which in turn stops individuals from developing the disease and becoming uber infectious. The phase 3 tests have only shown the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing people from becoming ill. What is not known is how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread - this will only be known as the vaccine is rolled out. What is known (on the basis of how vaccines work) is that it will reduce re-infection because the amount of virus in circulation will be massively reduced. It's one thing being a selfish bastard and not participate in a vaccination programme. It's quite another to spread misinformation about a vaccine with the express intention of convincing others not to participate and thereby undermine it's success in saving lives. Let me be absolutely clear - if people follow your pig ignorant advice many people will die of covid-19 who would not have had they not followed your advice - either as a result of not taking a vaccine that would have prevented them from becoming ill or as a result of the virus not being suppressed through vaccine induced herd immunity. You have crossed over from being a harmless loon with some wacky theories into being a danger to the general public. Don't you understand why MI5 are on your case? It's because if you and your fellow travellers have their way people will die of a now curable disease and their job is to protect society from dangerous lunatics whether they be armed with semtex or weaponized stupidity. Yes I do understand that. And it's the same response in the body as those who were asymptomatic and not ill. They also had less virus circulating. But they were accused of spreading an illness for months. So will the same accusation now be made against those who have taken a vaccine? Those pushing the propaganda seems to want to have it all ways when it suits their agenda. If you take a deep breath from your uncontrollabe rage and trying to jump on anything to castigate me as 'a dangerous lunatic', you'll find I said nothing particularly controversial. Only what has been widely stated. And will MI5 be after Dr Fauci for saying the same thing. I'm sure his reach is slightly greater than mine? finance.yahoo.com/news/fauci-vaccines-will-only-prevent-symptoms-not-block-the-virus-195051568.htmlFor me, none of it would be an issue, if the arguments weren't twisted in favour of funnelling us all towards taking an unknown vaccine which for the vast majority is unnecessary, and towards an ID used to sideline none-takers from society. Let folk be happy to take it, and conversely not marginalise those who have good reason not to want it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 8, 2020 10:12:30 GMT
Maybe Boris could interogate Rigby on this at the next press briefing ... 🙄
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2020 10:24:12 GMT
Maybe Boris could interogate Rigby on this at the next press briefing ... 🙄 Both of them should be sacked immediately.
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Post by riverman on Dec 8, 2020 10:34:15 GMT
It's not an identity card it's an appointment card. There is no personal information, photo or medical details on it just appointment dates for the two shots and what they are, More media misreprisentation I'm afraid.
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Post by EccyStokie on Dec 8, 2020 10:34:53 GMT
Maybe Boris could interogate Rigby on this at the next press briefing ... 🙄 They should both be sacked immediately. I’d fucking love it if Kay Burley got the sack.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 8, 2020 10:51:27 GMT
It's not an identity card it's an appointment card. There is no personal information, photo or medical details on it just appointment dates for the two shots and what they are, More media misreprisentation I'm afraid. In big, bold letters you are instructed to ... "Make sure you keep this record card in your purse or wallet." That's not an appointment card. Cleverly doesn't deny it ...
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Post by drfootball on Dec 8, 2020 10:51:41 GMT
William Shakespeare of Warwickshire is officially the 2nd person to get it at Coventry hospital 😂 How has he jumped the queue? That is the question. I thought he was bard !
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Post by musik on Dec 8, 2020 10:59:29 GMT
Why? Is this the vaccine that requires a -70°C temperature? Yesterday, one responsible person at a hospital said they don't have that kind of freezers available here in Sweden. He wondered how the heck other countries manage. 😄 I thought it would be cold enough in the Nordics to just leave the vaccines outside :-) +9°C today. ☁️ Environmental changes and/or cycles have lead to no real cold winter here for many years. We have 10.300.000 citizens, 2.000.000 of those are 0-15 years old. Assume hyothetically every person wants the vaccine. It is given twice. It means 8.300.000 x2 injections = 16.600.000 injections in total. Some guy this week talked about a storage capacity of a couple of hundred thousand doses. He also said if we only bought the kind of vaccine that requires such a cold temperature, it would take very long before we were finished, he mentioned "years" actually. No wonder they now don't really push us to take it after all. "We don't know if it has the desired effect yet", "and if so, will it last", "and if so, does it even help or could the virus mutate away again", "will we have to take it every year?". "Wait and look out for eventual side effects in the risk groups first." Most are neutral and some hopeful though. 😷
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 11:21:59 GMT
New tier 3 rules
You must stay at home , unless you have a yatch , a second home in the country or a private jet
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Post by musik on Dec 8, 2020 11:22:51 GMT
Any side effects reports from China yet? They have vaccinated millions the last 9 months.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 11:36:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 11:55:14 GMT
Ah the ever reliable PCR test at it again. Utter joke.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 8, 2020 11:59:09 GMT
The article is from October - before the the phase 3 test results were announced. The person making the announcement was the recently sacked "Vaccine Tzar" Kate Bingham, wife of Tory minister Jesse Norman. Her area of expertise appears to be draining the public purse into her and her friends' back pockets, not the effectiveness of vaccines. You really don't know what you are talking about. A virus needs a host in order to replicate. If your body does not fight off the virus it uses your cells to replicate and the less well your body fights off the virus the more virus that circulates in your body and the more likely you are to become ill and infect others. The vaccines (there is more than one) encourages your body to produce anti bodies and T Cells which kill the virus should you become infected. This means there is less virus circulating in your body which means you are less likely to develop symptoms AND less likely to infect others. Some medicines only treat symptoms - like a throat lozenge. Vaccines work by addressing the cause of the disease - which results in individuals not allowing the virus to replicate which in turn stops individuals from developing the disease and becoming uber infectious. The phase 3 tests have only shown the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing people from becoming ill. What is not known is how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread - this will only be known as the vaccine is rolled out. What is known (on the basis of how vaccines work) is that it will reduce re-infection because the amount of virus in circulation will be massively reduced. It's one thing being a selfish bastard and not participate in a vaccination programme. It's quite another to spread misinformation about a vaccine with the express intention of convincing others not to participate and thereby undermine it's success in saving lives. Let me be absolutely clear - if people follow your pig ignorant advice many people will die of covid-19 who would not have had they not followed your advice - either as a result of not taking a vaccine that would have prevented them from becoming ill or as a result of the virus not being suppressed through vaccine induced herd immunity. You have crossed over from being a harmless loon with some wacky theories into being a danger to the general public. Don't you understand why MI5 are on your case? It's because if you and your fellow travellers have their way people will die of a now curable disease and their job is to protect society from dangerous lunatics whether they be armed with semtex or weaponized stupidity. Yes I do understand that. And it's the same response in the body as those who were asymptomatic and not ill. They also had less virus circulating. But they were accused of spreading an illness for months. So will the same accusation now be made against those who have taken a vaccine? Those pushing the propaganda seems to want to have it all ways when it suits their agenda. If you take a deep breath from your uncontrollabe rage and trying to jump on anything to castigate me as 'a dangerous lunatic', you'll find I said nothing particularly controversial. Only what has been widely stated. And will MI5 be after Dr Fauci for saying the same thing. I'm sure his reach is slightly greater than mine? finance.yahoo.com/news/fauci-vaccines-will-only-prevent-symptoms-not-block-the-virus-195051568.htmlFor me, none of it would be an issue, if the arguments weren't twisted in favour of funnelling us all towards taking an unknown vaccine which for the vast majority is unnecessary, and towards an ID used to sideline none-takers from society. Let folk be happy to take it, and conversely not marginalise those who have good reason not to want it. Fauci is saying that the phase 3 tests only confirm a vaccine's effectiveness in reducing symptoms - which is correct. He is also saying that no vaccine is 100% effective and that the primary aim of the initial vaccination programme is to prevent vulnerable people from getting ill and dying - which is also correct. What he is not saying is that the vaccine ONLY addresses the symptoms. He is not saying that the vaccines do not have a role in a wider vaccination programme in order to promote herd immunity. He is saying this is the SECONDARY aim - not something that the current vaccines are incapable of achieving. You are either deliberately misrepresenting what is being said about the vaccines or genuinely don't understand what is being said. I absolutely get some people may be genuinely afraid of taking the vaccine and I have every sympathy. However I have no sympathy whatsoever with those, like yourself, whose objections to taking the vaccine is based on a political ideology that thrives on misrepresenting the medical facts especially when they proactively peddle their half truths as a basis for others to join them in their lemming like behaviour. The reason I am angry is because your views, if taken seriously, WILL result in unnecessary deaths. And some people - god help them - will choose to believe you. What you choose to believe is one thing - but when your beliefs spill over into persuading others to follow your lead - which is what you are doing here - you have moved from being harmless into being potentially harmful to others. You are peddling half truths in order to promote your political ideology and you genuinely couldn't care less about the consequences of your actions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 12:24:01 GMT
Just looking at the stats for stoke and it is heartbreaking to see 1.5k have died with it there.
Those figures are far too high and totally unacceptable, even when compared to other parts of the UK.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 8, 2020 12:24:53 GMT
Maybe Boris could interogate Rigby on this at the next press briefing ... 🙄 I hope so. Rigby has been vile throughout this pandemic. Seeing her horrified face on election night last December was worth every minute of Boris's (fairly disappointing) tenure.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 8, 2020 12:50:21 GMT
William Shakespeare of Warwickshire is officially the 2nd person to get it at Coventry hospital 😂 How has he jumped the queue? That is the question. That's not Shakespeare that's bloody Ghandi.
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2020 12:52:59 GMT
Just looking at the stats for stoke and it is heartbreaking to see 1.5k have died with it there. Those figures are far too high and totally unacceptable, even when compared to other parts of the UK. I'm not sure where you've got that figure from, but according to the Government's staging site, there have been 324 deaths within 28 days of a positive test in Stoke-on-Trent, with 282 deaths with Covid 19 on the death certificate. Newcastle is 189/173. Staffs Moorlands is 120/100.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 13:00:29 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2020 13:00:36 GMT
So it appears we went into a month's long national lockdown not because cases more than doubled, but because they rose be just 0.59 per 10,000 people.
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