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Post by starkiller on Dec 7, 2020 18:18:37 GMT
Finally. Probably too much to hope this will happen here but it's a start nevertheless. Is it too cynical suggest that this could happen when the vaccine starts rolling out in big numbers and a decrease in "cases" will be put down to the success of the jab? I said they would lower the threshold. And the deception behind this is even more misleading as the vaccine itself does not lead to to less 'cases', only a lessening of symptoms. And, as a result, a person is therefore still able to spread it. Making accusations about jab avoiders being selfish a totally redundant argument. I think the intention is to present as little as possible info about the jab and publicise it as a Christmas miracle whilst getting it in as many as possible and dish out the health passes.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 7, 2020 18:44:15 GMT
The idea of these “freedom passports”, which just shows how far fucking gone these hideous restrictions have gone, make absolutely no sense.
I was flicking through the TV the other day trying to find anything that wasn’t rambling on about this shite or any program that didn’t contain Piers Morgan, and I came across an utterly dogshit panel show (I think it was The Wright Stuff, fucking wrong stuff more like) where the utter pariah hosting it was trying to advocate pubs and such like having a “no vaccine, no entry” policy.
A bloke then absolutely rinsed him by simply saying firstly, pubs are going to want all of the trade they can so they will not implement this, and his second point was if you have been vaccinated, then why are you worried? A very salient point, the host then spun some arsehole story about spreading it to other people, To which said guest then replied again why are you worried about what other people are doing if you have been vaccinated, if people want to take a risk that’s on them, why are you trying to infringe on peoples freedoms just because you’ve had a jab and they haven’t, you’re safe, why are you worried?predictably he didn’t have an answer for it.
You can shove this jab right up your arse, and any organisation that tries to implement this frankly disgusting policy, they can embrace the administrators with a warm embrace in record time.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 7, 2020 18:53:33 GMT
I accept the numbers issued by genuine medical and government authorities with a healthy sense check they may be out by a factor of 14% either way , that’s still 1.5million deaths world wide , the equivalent if 1/4 of the holocaust , or 3000 jumbo jets being crashed into the ground in a single year 8 a day m I’d say that merits pandemic status but admittedly I’m not a doctor , as a result I’d expect a significant media campaign rather than a back page article in the leek post and times 1.5 million deaths worldwide equates to less than 3% of all deaths this year. And at the risk of offending anybody (and it has been acknowledged by several leading sources), it should be pointed out that a large percentage of people who have sadly succumbed to the virus would have died this year anyway. If you want to start bringing up the Holocaust as a comparison to Covid deaths (which is questionably in rather poor taste), then consider that there have been over 7 millions deaths of children under 5 already this year, more than 10 million more deaths from communicable diseases (including 460,000 seasonal flu deaths), over 1.5M HIV/Aids deaths, over 1 million suicides and 1.2 road traffic fatalities. The pandemic hit hard in the spring and is now an endemic seasonal virus that will hopefully be combated with the help of the vaccines. Other measures are now totally disproportionate. Positive tests rising already and I refute the accusation of poor Taste it’s a purely numerical comparison in terms of scale , one killed 6 million one has killed 1.5 m and rising yet some keen to portray it as a typical seasonal event ,it’s not it’s the greatest public health crisis of the last 100 years and very far from over , the death toll by the end will significantly higher than now .
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Post by starkiller on Dec 7, 2020 19:34:37 GMT
The idea of these “freedom passports”, which just shows how far fucking gone these hideous restrictions have gone, make absolutely no sense. I was flicking through the TV the other day trying to find anything that wasn’t rambling on about this shite or any program that didn’t contain Piers Morgan, and I came across an utterly dogshit panel show (I think it was The Wright Stuff, fucking wrong stuff more like) where the utter pariah hosting it was trying to advocate pubs and such like having a “no vaccine, no entry” policy. A bloke then absolutely rinsed him by simply saying firstly, pubs are going to want all of the trade they can so they will not implement this, and his second point was if you have been vaccinated, then why are you worried? A very salient point, the host then spun some arsehole story about spreading it to other people, To which said guest then replied again why are you worried about what other people are doing if you have been vaccinated, if people want to take a risk that’s on them, why are you trying to infringe on peoples freedoms just because you’ve had a jab and they haven’t, you’re safe, why are you worried?predictably he didn’t have an answer for it. You can shove this jab right up your arse, and any organisation that tries to implement this frankly disgusting policy, they can embrace the administrators with a warm embrace in record time. And also don't let these fuckers mislead you. This vaccine doesn't stop anyone catching or spreading anything. It's supposed reduce symptoms only. So whether you take it or not, it makes no difference to accusations of being 'selfish spreader'. Fight the propaganda.
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Post by musik on Dec 7, 2020 20:47:03 GMT
To which said guest then replied again why are you worried about what other people are doing if you have been vaccinated, if people want to take a risk that’s on them, why are you trying to infringe on peoples freedoms just because you’ve had a jab and they haven’t, you’re safe, why are you worried? I think the vaccine at best has a 95% protection, not 100. The argument is, a person still can get it then. The probability decreases the more people are vaccinated.
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Post by musik on Dec 7, 2020 21:05:21 GMT
Sweden
"Take it if you want, no rush, wait, see if there are any side effects in the risk groups first ...", statement from R Bergström, vaccine co-ordinator internationally.
Only 45% of the population want the vaccine so far, according to surveys.
The priority list is now ready here, but no plan how they will manage to inject the people.
No vaccine yet, not enough nurses, no place to give the injections - Malmö FF's dressing room might be an option in our southern part of the country, according to daily papers.
Priority list
(1) Old people at care homes, staff at care homes, staff within the Home service for old people still living in their own home : Jan-March
(2) People above 70, people in risk groups, staff within the health care sector : April-August
(3) Everyone else 16-69 years old : September-January 2021 In this group no particular order.
Not for children 0-15. Why?
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Post by musik on Dec 7, 2020 21:11:31 GMT
In Sweden no particular vaccination order if you're between 16 to 69 years old and have no known underlying disease, no special queue.
Is it the same in other countries? England? USA? Wales? Ireland? Australia? New Zeeland? Northern Ireland? Canada?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 7, 2020 21:34:17 GMT
Pisses me off how they've just got used to lying to us. I reckon the vaccine passport is nailed on. Probably in much the same form as a "yellow card" when one goes to West Africa. Another blow to an already fucked sector.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 7, 2020 21:41:43 GMT
I take it its quiet on here tonight is because the pro lockdown nazis are watching the bbc 2 propaganda program??
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Post by andystokey on Dec 7, 2020 22:13:45 GMT
I take it its quiet on here tonight is because the pro lockdown nazis are watching the bbc 2 propaganda program?? Well I was watching "Dark Waters" about how for 30 years DuPont poisoned millions of people and how the federal government filibustered in cahoots with a massive chemical company, while people died with a kinds of cancers. I'm glad that couldn't happen today. 😎
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 7, 2020 22:38:07 GMT
I don't know where you would even start, but is there any way of quantifying the preventable deaths that have been avoided thanks to anti-Covid measure? I don't even necessarily mean lockdown, although I'm sure that must have reduced transmission of things like influenza, but just stuff like people actually bothering to wash their hands properly on a regular basis and the 'oOoO iT's OnLy A sNiFfLe' people who spread nasty viruses around workplaces getting their act together.
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Post by Gods on Dec 7, 2020 22:39:56 GMT
90 minutes to 'V' Day and the first real ray of light since this blasted virus descended on us !
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 7, 2020 22:49:01 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 7, 2020 22:58:08 GMT
That vaccine card does seem full of holes if only the over 50s get the vaccine then things like you need one to fly next summer just aren’t practical unless of course with Oxford one the plan is to vaccinate the entire nation in Which case looking at the balls up they’ve made of this years flu jab we will all still be waiting in 2024 .
Feels Like private medicine had to come into play or even supermarkets pharmacy etc if restarting the economy is the let the wicker tie done the better
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 7, 2020 23:04:26 GMT
I don’t think they’ll stick though Paul, more metropolitan areas maybe but can you imagine the likes of Ibiza, Crete, Benidorm etc that thrive off British tourism turning away swathes of us? Particularly younger generations who don’t need it, They’d sink beyond repair.
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Post by musik on Dec 7, 2020 23:15:04 GMT
It was on the news tonight.
It will be interesting to follow the vaccination process in Russia and England.
It won't be available to me until April. 😷
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 7, 2020 23:30:52 GMT
Pisses me off how they've just got used to lying to us. I reckon the vaccine passport is nailed on. Probably in much the same form as a "yellow card" when one goes to West Africa. Another blow to an already fucked sector. It's nailed on if you're a simpleton and get your news from the Daily Express. Not a chance it will happen, there's too many human rights issues and companies won't be in a position to be picky about what business they can accept.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 7, 2020 23:47:59 GMT
The idea of these “freedom passports”, which just shows how far fucking gone these hideous restrictions have gone, make absolutely no sense. I was flicking through the TV the other day trying to find anything that wasn’t rambling on about this shite or any program that didn’t contain Piers Morgan, and I came across an utterly dogshit panel show (I think it was The Wright Stuff, fucking wrong stuff more like) where the utter pariah hosting it was trying to advocate pubs and such like having a “no vaccine, no entry” policy. A bloke then absolutely rinsed him by simply saying firstly, pubs are going to want all of the trade they can so they will not implement this, and his second point was if you have been vaccinated, then why are you worried? A very salient point, the host then spun some arsehole story about spreading it to other people, To which said guest then replied again why are you worried about what other people are doing if you have been vaccinated, if people want to take a risk that’s on them, why are you trying to infringe on peoples freedoms just because you’ve had a jab and they haven’t, you’re safe, why are you worried?predictably he didn’t have an answer for it. You can shove this jab right up your arse, and any organisation that tries to implement this frankly disgusting policy, they can embrace the administrators with a warm embrace in record time. And also don't let these fuckers mislead you. This vaccine doesn't stop anyone catching or spreading anything. It's supposed reduce symptoms only. So whether you take it or not, it makes no difference to accusations of being 'selfish spreader'. Fight the propaganda. What on earth makes you think you are qualified to give medical advice?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 7, 2020 23:49:31 GMT
I reckon the vaccine passport is nailed on. Probably in much the same form as a "yellow card" when one goes to West Africa. Another blow to an already fucked sector. It's nailed on if you're a simpleton and get your news from the Daily Express. If I wasn't such a nice guy I'd bump this in a year or so because this is absolutely nailed on. A lot of countries will insist on people being vaccinated prior to travel. If countries are prepared to lock their country down over this, sacrifice an economy and in most cases refuse entry of foreign nationals altogether, then of course they are going to introduce a "yellow card" type system in an attempt to open up "safe tourism". I don't agree with it, although I do kind of see logic in getting the vulnerable vaccinated prior to travel and id also understand fairly free covid nations like Sri Lanka, Thailand etc not wanting covid bollocks being spread when it can easily be avoided with a vaccine - we hope.
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Post by yeswilko on Dec 8, 2020 0:03:49 GMT
One of my plumber's wife has just recovered from a near fatal bout of covid, caught it from her 15 year old high school kid. 40 years old and fit as a fiddle previously. He thought it was all bollocks last time I saw him.
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 8, 2020 0:53:30 GMT
One of my plumber's wife has just recovered from a near fatal bout of covid, caught it from her 15 year old high school kid. 40 years old and fit as a fiddle previously. He thought it was all bollocks last time I saw him. How many plumbers do you need? I just have the one guy I use. He's pretty good and generally reliable.
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Post by musik on Dec 8, 2020 1:14:39 GMT
One of my plumber's wives?
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Post by starkiller on Dec 8, 2020 2:10:30 GMT
And also don't let these fuckers mislead you. This vaccine doesn't stop anyone catching or spreading anything. It's supposed reduce symptoms only. So whether you take it or not, it makes no difference to accusations of being 'selfish spreader'. Fight the propaganda. What on earth makes you think you are qualified to give medical advice? I hold the same medical qualifications as Bill Gates. I am actually not giving medical advice, only reporting what was put out. And on a thread full of people accusing folk like me of being selfish for not wanting an unnecessary vaccine, where long term effects are unknown, and telling me what I should do with my own body, what you say is pretty ironic. Here's the info from our supposed drug tsar: mol.im/a/8888581This info about reducing symptoms was well known, also mentioned by Fauci, but now more suppressed as it doesn't fit the 'herd immunity', 'selfish-idiot' propaganda being used to promote this jab. If you believe in this jab, the only person to 'suffer' from not taking it is the person themselves. People should have a right to do whatever they like regarding this jab, without societal consequences. Is this too much to ask? Anything different reeks of an alternative agendas, beyond simple immunisation from an illness.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 8, 2020 3:13:44 GMT
Sounds familiar? I've discovered the Behavioural Insights Team's secret plans.
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Post by yeswilko on Dec 8, 2020 7:28:31 GMT
One of my plumber's wife has just recovered from a near fatal bout of covid, caught it from her 15 year old high school kid. 40 years old and fit as a fiddle previously. He thought it was all bollocks last time I saw him. How many plumbers do you need? I just have the one guy I use. He's pretty good and generally reliable. You're lucky pal, I use 3 and they're all wank (I'm a builder)
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2020 7:31:40 GMT
First vaccine administered. This virus will claim plenty more lives but it feels like the beginning of the end.
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Post by werrington on Dec 8, 2020 7:33:55 GMT
First vaccine administered. This virus will claim plenty more lives but it feels like the beginning of the end. William Shakespeare of Warwickshire is officially the 2nd person to get it at Coventry hospital 😂
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 8:13:12 GMT
First vaccine administered. This virus will claim plenty more lives but it feels like the beginning of the end. William Shakespeare of Warwickshire is officially the 2nd person to get it at Coventry hospital 😂 Bloody typical, Geoffrey Chaucer was the first and he’s had no air time.......
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 8, 2020 8:24:14 GMT
First vaccine administered. This virus will claim plenty more lives but it feels like the beginning of the end. William Shakespeare of Warwickshire is officially the 2nd person to get it at Coventry hospital 😂 How has he jumped the queue? That is the question.
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Post by musik on Dec 8, 2020 8:36:42 GMT
First vaccine administered. This virus will claim plenty more lives but it feels like the beginning of the end. William Shakespeare of Warwickshire is officially the 2nd person to get it at Coventry hospital 😂 Is she wearing special protective glasses? 😷
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