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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 3, 2020 18:03:15 GMT
Fauci joining the EU in the criticism of the UK announcement now as well, what do we reckon, just sour grapes? Nah Gavin Williamson's comments were just fucking stupid and in line with this shit of a nationalistic government. You really think this is a nationalistic government? 😂 We're literally one of the least nationalistic countries in the world and if you genuinely think otherwise then travel around Central and Eastern Europe and keep going east. You'll be like "wow maybe we are a bunch of Liberal motherfuckers in the UK" 😉
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 3, 2020 18:08:16 GMT
Fauci joining the EU in the criticism of the UK announcement now as well, what do we reckon, just sour grapes? 100% sour grapes mate. Well if they want to delay a while I’m sure we could take there batches as well
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Post by Davef on Dec 3, 2020 18:11:57 GMT
Fauci joining the EU in the criticism of the UK announcement now as well, what do we reckon, just sour grapes? They're getting on their high horses for the sake of what, ten days (the EU are talking about the end of December) for a vaccine that's taken less than a year to develop? Really?
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2020 18:28:10 GMT
We basically live in a 1 Party State anyway. The system is designed to elect the same profile of person. There's nobody in the Cabinet or probably the Opposition who has ever needed a proper job, a job where they have to think about paying household bills or feeding their kids. They are just there to make sure that doesn't change that is all. They wont consider PR, not because it may destabilise Government but because it has the potential to loosen their grip on these privileged positions of power. This is a country of Deference, always has been. It didn't defer to most of the establishment in the referendum, but actually went against former and current PM, B of E, CBI, etc and those left wing elitist. The basic common sense of the British public prevailed. What have left wing elitists got to do with Establishment? The Royal Family is Establishment. Those who hold wealth are Establishment. Left wing elitists only have power in their own heads if they are deluded enough. It's an example of how a word has been deliberately manipulated in an Orwellian fashion to distract from genuine inequality in society. Something Brexit will not remotely address, in fact, the opposite. It wont change the profile of the people who get elected and a few people (who don't need more wealth, will make bucket loads out of it) We are off track, my original point was to do with lack of trust in Government, and PR being one of the causes for it, because it is anti-representation imho
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Post by greenhoff on Dec 3, 2020 18:40:13 GMT
The sequel worries me. How long before another strain of bad flu appears. It’s been a great training run How many times do you need to be told that flu and coronavirus are totally different. Both influenza and coronaviruses have a single strand of RNA as their genome, but that is where the genomic similarity ends. The influenza virus genome comprises 7 or 8 segments, while the coronavirus has one long strand. Influenza virus RNA is what is known as ‘negative sense RNA’. This means that its sequence is the mirror image of the correct code for proteins and a complementary strand must be made from it before production of new viruses within a host cell can proceed. In contrast, the coronavirus genome is ‘positive sense’ which means it can act as messenger RNA and code for proteins. So from a virological point of view, coronavirus is definitely not a type of flu. If I didn't know better I'd almost think you knew what you're talking about. Go on admit you got that off Wiki!!!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 3, 2020 19:00:35 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 3, 2020 19:05:04 GMT
Not that I in any way agree with that rule but what is shown above isn’t a rate, it’s a number of positive tests and population of London = 9 million, population of NE= 2 million Indeed. Don't forget lockdowns don't work.
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Post by Davef on Dec 3, 2020 19:07:12 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. Do we need any further proof that these charlatans are taking the piss out of us?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 3, 2020 19:09:03 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. Do we need any further proof that these charlatans are taking the piss out of us? This is just the start of it I expect! Starkiller is the Oracle 🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2020 19:21:27 GMT
Nah Gavin Williamson's comments were just fucking stupid and in line with this shit of a nationalistic government. You really think this is a nationalistic government? 😂 We're literally one of the least nationalistic countries in the world and if you genuinely think otherwise then travel around Central and Eastern Europe and keep going east. You'll be like "wow maybe we are a bunch of Liberal motherfuckers in the UK" 😉 You don’t think this govt are nationalistic? 😂😂😂
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 3, 2020 19:29:18 GMT
It didn't defer to most of the establishment in the referendum, but actually went against former and current PM, B of E, CBI, etc and those left wing elitist. The basic common sense of the British public prevailed. What have left wing elitists got to do with Establishment? The Royal Family is Establishment. Those who hold wealth are Establishment. Left wing elitists only have power in their own heads if they are deluded enough. It's an example of how a word has been deliberately manipulated in an Orwellian fashion to distract from genuine inequality in society. Something Brexit will not remotely address, in fact, the opposite. It wont change the profile of the people who get elected and a few people (who don't need more wealth, will make bucket loads out of it) We are off track, my original point was to do with lack of trust in Government, and PR being one of the causes for it, because it is anti-representation imho Apologies, maybe I should of written Liberal elitists? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_eliteI don't see what PR has to do with lack of trust in government. PR inevitably leads to coalition government which result in wheeling and dealing behind closed doors as politicians manoeuvre for power. The result is nobody gets the government they voted for, the Liberal Party renaged on its policies and principles to keep Cameron's austerity government in power, and undue influence is given to small minorities like the Ulster Unionist keeping May in power for a kickback. That leads to greater lack of trust in government. Do you think the French and Italians have any more respect for their politicians than the British? I don't like our fptp system and would like to see it amended as I would the second chamber, but I have yet to hear of a better system that does not favour politicians retaining their positions, and making them less removeable. PS I love the Queen and think she is marvellous. I also think Prince Charles is a very decent bloke. I wouldn't want their job. (You can keep the rest.)
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 3, 2020 19:55:24 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. Do we need any further proof that these charlatans are taking the piss out of us? Only a matter of time before Hancock tweets that 'high value' citizens will be prioritised for the vaccine.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 3, 2020 20:16:06 GMT
"It is unknown whether COVID 19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 will have an impact on fertility"
From the governments own website.
I guess that would be a welcome side effect for those that want population reduction. Such as one of the funders of MHRA, for example. Someone who has already trialled fertility harming vaccines in Africa. Of course, I'm talking of Mr Gates. Once again, the question remains, why does he want every man, woman, and child on the planet jabbed with this unnecessary concoction?
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Dec 3, 2020 20:20:24 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. Do we need any further proof that these charlatans are taking the piss out of us? I can't pretend to know exactly what this means but I can tell you that I know a company that has been waiting months to fly their MD and printer out to sign off on the final build of their new printing press before the final payment is made and it is shipped out. 70 workers rely on that press. We seem very good at the hi tech in this country but the low tech mechanical donkey stuff is all made abroad and the test drives need to be done abroad. As for the other tweet surely anything that means we can bring Manuel Neuer in as our next emergency keeper can't be a bad thing
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Post by musik on Dec 3, 2020 20:31:59 GMT
The Pfizer vaccine side effects presented.
Very common sife effects are feeling you've got the flu, including fever and muscle pain.
Common side effects includes swollen and redness at the injection site.
People under 16 are recommended NOT to have the vaccine. Neither are pregnant women or if they wish to be pregnant within 2 months. Auto-immune side effects can take longer to show.
Does this mean side effects will show within 2 months? Can some show after 1-5 years?
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Post by andystokey on Dec 3, 2020 20:36:55 GMT
Fauci joining the EU in the criticism of the UK announcement now as well, what do we reckon, just sour grapes? I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned that the announcement was made 24h after the regulator's last meeting on 1st December. The announcement just happened to coincide with the same date (2nd December) the hotly disputed Tiers came into force. Not that the news agenda was manipulated, just a coincidence I'm sure. I guess it just fell that way. 🤔
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 3, 2020 20:50:43 GMT
Fauci joining the EU in the criticism of the UK announcement now as well, what do we reckon, just sour grapes? Quibbling over a few days/weeks is ridiculous really. Either the vacinne is deemed safe on current data or not so may as well crack on with it. What's not known is possible unforeseen medium/long term effects but waiting a bit longer is going to do nothing to help this so unless Fauci is suggesting that the US is going to delay approval for a few months, its just sour grapes.
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Post by musik on Dec 3, 2020 20:54:14 GMT
Latest Sweden
The regions are worried about their planning since the FHM, Socialstyrelsen or the Government haven't said how the distribution of the vaccine out to the regions will be ; they have problems witj the storage (-70°C) - plus, they haven't presented a priority list more than this:
-Health care workers -People in risk groups -People >70
It will probably mean a person with mild asthma at 24 has higher priority here than a person of 69 with no known underlying health problems. 🤔
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2020 20:54:38 GMT
I guess that would be a welcome side effect for those that want population reduction. Such as one of the funders of MHRA, for example. Someone has trialled fertility harming vaccines in Africa. Of course, I'm talking of Mr Gates. Study 2 with 44,000 was the one that contained people over the age of 55. Study 1 with 60 people the Phase 1/2 preliminary testing that is done to optimise dosage and assess safety for the first time, hence the reduced number and healthier age groups. www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7Important to note that for the early rollout we’re looking very heavily at post-menopausal ages in women certainly by age bracket. I would expect to see an update to that pregnancy and fertility section in the coming months before any rollout to general population outside the age ranges specified so far. By the time that initial rollout in the clinically vulnerable and elderly is complete they should have that data finalised as 6-9months or so will have passed from vaccination in the trial participants.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 3, 2020 21:15:09 GMT
There's a serious problem when the information meant to be given to the public taking this, withholds the notice on fertility. Which is the case with this.
And it's impossible to know what the long term effects will be.
You'd have to be insane to take this. It shouldn't even be called a vaccine.
So folk have to coerced by being blackmailed with their own God-given freedom.
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Post by whatsashig on Dec 3, 2020 21:46:22 GMT
"It is unknown whether COVID 19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 will have an impact on fertility" From the governments own website. I guess that would be a welcome side effect for those that want population reduction. Such as one of the funders of MHRA, for example. Someone who has already trialled fertility harming vaccines in Africa. Of course, I'm talking of Mr Gates. Once again, the question remains, why does he want every man, woman, and child on the planet jabbed with this unnecessary concoction? Are you inferring ‘he’ is trying to make people infertile, or just make them not eat candy floss at the sea side. I think it’s a clause put in there to stop future law suites coming into play because to verify that statement it guards against will take a considerable amount of time. Yes it’s a bit worrying it can’t be verified at this point of time but to suggest it’s connected with Africa and Bill and it a candelstine way of distributing vaccines of a certain nature is to me at least a little far fetched, does he want to father the whole worlds future children himself or summert
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Post by whatsashig on Dec 3, 2020 21:47:06 GMT
"It is unknown whether COVID 19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 will have an impact on fertility" From the governments own website. I guess that would be a welcome side effect for those that want population reduction. Such as one of the funders of MHRA, for example. Someone who has already trialled fertility harming vaccines in Africa. Of course, I'm talking of Mr Gates. Once again, the question remains, why does he want every man, woman, and child on the planet jabbed with this unnecessary concoction? Are you inferring ‘he’ is trying to make people infertile, or just make them not eat candy floss at the sea side. I think it’s a clause put in there to stop future law suites coming into play because to verify that statement it guards against will take a considerable amount of time. Yes it’s a bit worrying it can’t be verified at this point of time but to suggest it’s connected with Africa and Bill and it a candelstine way of distributing vaccines of a certain nature is to me at least a little far fetched, does he want to father the whole worlds future children himself or summert
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2020 22:43:23 GMT
So the hypothesis about possible vaccine side effects on fertility are being put forward by Michael Yeadon. He hypothesises that the homology (how similar 2 proteins are) between the Covid spike protein and a gene called Synctin1 could cause the generation of auto-antibodies, which are antibodies that erroneously target the body’s own tissue and result in its destruction. For example, Type 1 diabetes can be caused by autoantibodies destroying the beta cells within the islets of Langerhans in the pancreas, thus preventing the production of insulin. Synctin1 is activated and is essential in placental development, is basically causes the early foetal membrane to fuse with the placenta and to establish a nutrient supply. Yeadon postulates that the spike protein and Synctin1 are similar enough to generate cross immunity and that this will result in autoantibodies that destroy the placenta mid development resulting in miscarriage and infertility. However, how much homology is enough? Yeadon lists a 5 amino acid sequence with similar (4/5 acids match) homology, for reference Spike protein is around 1200 amino acids and Synctin 1 is about 540. So is this 5 amino acid sequence enough to generate cross immunity? Well, the beauty of modern proteomics is that you can align sequences and check homology against any protein coded for in the genome as done below: (the guy is private o twitter so reposting with poorer quality but you can see it) The crux is that a protein that is 1200 amino acids long will share small overlaps with quite a lot of proteins. In that thread he makes homology comparisons to the Covid spike and genes that are absolutely essential to life, generation of auto-antibodies to them would invariably cause acute death and life threatening complications within weeks. Genes with similar 4/5 acid overlaps include actin a key component of cell cytoskeletons which hold them together, Collagen a fundamental component of connective tissue and haemoglobin, which we all need to move oxygen around our bodies. So if cross auto- immunity was a huge problem we would die in infancy from acute infection induced immunity generating antibodies to kill our own tissue. Many pathogens have this level of homologous proteins. As such the body has a mechanism to safely destroy closely matched recognition sites by destroying the white blood cells that target them, stopping antibody production at source. Whilst these can become dysregulated as in diabetes it is relatively rare and if it didn’t exist we’d all be dead. But the final point of this is an important one, Yeadon makes this hypothesis based on something called the polyclonal response to the vaccine. A polyclonal response is when the antigen (the foreign body) is identified by the immune system which then makes antibodies that hit different sites of the same antigen. Essentially like using a shotgun, it spits out various antibody types to hit the antigen in different ways to ensure it is cleared. Yeadon proposes it is this ability to hit multiple spike protein targets that will then accidentally start hitting Synctin 1. However the issue with this is, natural infection also causes a polyclonal antibody response, meaning if the homology is that great between the spike protein and human genes such as synctin 1, the spike protein antibodies generated NATURALLY would also induce these proposed effects on fertility. Given the volume of worldwide infections, this would have been observed, and even more so if the similar homology seen in essential to life genes was such a risk. Therefore, the risk of cross immunity induced infertility by the vaccine is as likely as cross immunity induced infertility by the infection, the whole point of the vaccine is to simulate the infection in the first place remember. So if the risk is there from the jab, it’s there from infection. Therefore the risk to fertility by this route is unlikely based on these factors and the fact the homology is no greater than that of some very essential genes and to my knowledge no mass decrease in female fertility post infection has yet been observed. We could test for this by drawing serum from convalescing patients and seeing if their spike protein antibodies attach to Synctin 1 in an assay, but we would then have to do it for every single gene with 4 matching amino acids which would be literally thousands of targets. (I’m sure someone will though.)
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Post by starkiller on Dec 3, 2020 22:46:06 GMT
In the new 'normal' world, travel is only meant to be restricted for the plebs.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 3, 2020 23:21:14 GMT
So the hypothesis about possible vaccine side effects on fertility are being put forward by Michael Yeadon. He hypothesises that the homology (how similar 2 proteins are) between the Covid spike protein and a gene called Synctin1 could cause the generation of auto-antibodies, which are antibodies that erroneously target the body’s own tissue and result in its destruction. For example, Type 1 diabetes can be caused by autoantibodies destroying the beta cells within the islets of Langerhans in the pancreas, thus preventing the production of insulin. Synctin1 is activated and is essential in placental development, is basically causes the early foetal membrane to fuse with the placenta and to establish a nutrient supply. Yeadon postulates that the spike protein and Synctin1 are similar enough to generate cross immunity and that this will result in autoantibodies that destroy the placenta mid development resulting in miscarriage and infertility. However, how much homology is enough? Yeadon lists a 5 amino acid sequence with similar (4/5 acids match) homology, for reference Spike protein is around 1200 amino acids and Synctin 1 is about 540. So is this 5 amino acid sequence enough to generate cross immunity? Well, the beauty of modern proteomics is that you can align sequences and check homology against any protein coded for in the genome as done below: (the guy is private o twitter so reposting with poorer quality but you can see it) The crux is that a protein that is 1200 amino acids long will share small overlaps with quite a lot of proteins. In that thread he makes homology comparisons to the Covid spike and genes that are absolutely essential to life, generation of auto-antibodies to them would invariably cause acute death and life threatening complications within weeks. Genes with similar 4/5 acid overlaps include actin a key component of cell cytoskeletons which hold them together, Collagen a fundamental component of connective tissue and haemoglobin, which we all need to move oxygen around our bodies. So if cross auto- immunity was a huge problem we would die in infancy from acute infection induced immunity generating antibodies to kill our own tissue. Many pathogens have this level of homologous proteins. As such the body has a mechanism to safely destroy closely matched recognition sites by destroying the white blood cells that target them, stopping antibody production at source. Whilst these can become dysregulated as in diabetes it is relatively rare and if it didn’t exist we’d all be dead. But the final point of this is an important one, Yeadon makes this hypothesis based on something called the polyclonal response to the vaccine. A polyclonal response is when the antigen (the foreign body) is identified by the immune system which then makes antibodies that hit different sites of the same antigen. Essentially like using a shotgun, it spits out various antibody types to hit the antigen in different ways to ensure it is cleared. Yeadon proposes it is this ability to hit multiple spike protein targets that will then accidentally start hitting Synctin 1. However the issue with this is, natural infection also causes a polyclonal antibody response, meaning if the homology is that great between the spike protein and human genes such as synctin 1, the spike protein antibodies generated NATURALLY would also induce these proposed effects on fertility. Given the volume of worldwide infections, this would have been observed, and even more so if the similar homology seen in essential to life genes was such a risk. Therefore, the risk of cross immunity induced infertility by the vaccine is as likely as cross immunity induced infertility by the infection, the whole point of the vaccine is to simulate the infection in the first place remember. So if the risk is there from the jab, it’s there from infection. Therefore the risk to fertility by this route is unlikely based on these factors and the fact the homology is no greater than that of some very essential genes and to my knowledge no mass decrease in female fertility post infection has yet been observed. We could test for this by drawing serum from convalescing patients and seeing if their spike protein antibodies attach to Synctin 1 in an assay, but we would then have to do it for every single gene with 4 matching amino acids which would be literally thousands of targets. (I’m sure someone will though.) I'm glad you've brought this up Matt, I read this yesterday and was fully intending on asking you for your opinion on it. I assume reading what you've written above, that you feel it has little merit and that if you're female, aged (say) 24 and in one of the top at risk groups, you shouldn't be unduly worried about having the vaccine in January or February? And what are your thoughts with regard to ADE, if you've already had the virus? Cheers 2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 4, 2020 0:52:56 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. This is just getting beyond words. So Piers Morgan's son, Harry Styles and the Made in Chelsea cast can get their tans topped up in Cancun surrounded by cocktails and tits meanwhile the peasants of the Midlands and the North need to stay at home and protect the NHS. And if they are really well behaved they are allowed their one hour a day walk in the rain and a take away coffee.
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Post by musik on Dec 4, 2020 5:16:35 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. This is just getting beyond words. So Piers Morgan's son, Harry Styles and the Made in Chelsea cast can get their tans topped up in Cancun surrounded by cocktails and tits meanwhile the peasants of the Midlands and the North need to stay at home and protect the NHS. And if they are really well behaved they are allowed their one hour a day walk in the rain and a take away coffee. "tits" 🤭 What is a "Travel corridor"? Starkiller brought this up too, but for some reason I couldn't see the tweet in that post. However, it worked in yours. So, Question: If a worker travels the same route (let's say, on holiday) as the executive business people you are refering to here, what happens then? Will such a person be put in a quarantine? Do they make a difference between "necessary" and "unnecessary" travels? Does it matter if the ordinary worker comes from London or Stoke? ⭐ In Sweden it now seems like people with money can get the vaccine faster by going to a private clinic (providing the regions will fall for signing deals on the side with certain actors).
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Post by yeswilko on Dec 4, 2020 8:08:07 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. This is just getting beyond words. So Piers Morgan's son, Harry Styles and the Made in Chelsea cast can get their tans topped up in Cancun surrounded by cocktails and tits meanwhile the peasants of the Midlands and the North need to stay at home and protect the NHS. And if they are really well behaved they are allowed their one hour a day walk in the rain and a take away coffee. Sick of winning yet?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 4, 2020 8:24:37 GMT
This is just getting beyond words. So Piers Morgan's son, Harry Styles and the Made in Chelsea cast can get their tans topped up in Cancun surrounded by cocktails and tits meanwhile the peasants of the Midlands and the North need to stay at home and protect the NHS. And if they are really well behaved they are allowed their one hour a day walk in the rain and a take away coffee. "tits" 🤭 What is a "Travel corridor"? Starkiller brought this up too, but for some reason I couldn't see the tweet in that post. However, it worked in yours. So, Question: If a worker travels the same route (let's say, on holiday) as the executive business people you are refering to here, what happens then? Will such a person be put in a quarantine? Do they make a difference between "necessary" and "unnecessary" travels? Does it matter if the ordinary worker comes from London or Stoke? ⭐ In Sweden it now seems like people with money can get the vaccine faster by going to a private clinic (providing the regions will fall for signing deals on the side with certain actors). 😂 Yeah so the travel corridor is basically countries that UK residents can travel to without having to quarantine for 14 days (if we pay for a test it can be reduced to 5). The list the peasantry can travel to includes some awesome winter getaway destinations including the likes of outer Mongolia and Armenia. Real hot spots. The route doesn't matter, if its on the quarantine list, we have to quarantine regardless of whether the execs go to the same destination as us. Although I don't know how they quantify the "exec" worker that is allowed to do what they want. Presumably based on their salary and who they know. It doesn't matter if the celebs and execs come from London or Stoke but I'd imagine more come from Kensington than Burslem 😉
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 4, 2020 8:35:10 GMT
In fact the more you hear about this travel announcement from Shapps, the more outrageous it gets. This is quite literally in black and white, one rule for the rich and one rule for the poor. Its one of the most outlandish examples of cronyism you'll ever see.
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