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Post by Veritas on Dec 4, 2020 8:49:53 GMT
In fact the more you hear about this travel announcement from Shapps, the more outrageous it gets. This is quite literally in black and white, one rule for the rich and one rule for the poor. Its one of the most outlandish examples of cronyism you'll ever see. And the surprise is?
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Post by Gods on Dec 4, 2020 9:10:48 GMT
Would you pay say a couple of hundred quid or whatever it is to get a vaccine from a private clinic if you could?
In effect buy your way out of trouble.
I think I'd be concerned as to whether it was the real thing or not and so perhaps not even safe.
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Post by drfootball on Dec 4, 2020 9:15:35 GMT
Covid doesn't affect the elites, so the lockdowns only apply to the working class. This is just getting beyond words. So Piers Morgan's son, Harry Styles and the Made in Chelsea cast can get their tans topped up in Cancun surrounded by cocktails and tits meanwhile the peasants of the Midlands and the North need to stay at home and protect the NHS. And if they are really well behaved they are allowed their one hour a day walk in the rain and a take away coffee. This isn`t new, `elite` showbiz types and sportsmen have been exempt from quarantine throughout this nonsense eg Champions League players.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2020 9:21:12 GMT
PR is a joke. The closest we have come to it is the shenanigans re the Brexsit debates. Nothing that requires decisive action will get done . It is the dream of parties that will for ever be consigned to the opposition benches eg SNP, Labour , Lib Dems and the BNP. I’m sure if the Tory’s win the next election There will be rumblings from certain sections of the Labour Party for PR until they eventually win a majority And then it will be conveniently forgotten Funnily enough I received this today - Xmas Card for Keir Starmer. Perhaps you'd like to sign so that Labour commit before they get into power?
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Post by musik on Dec 4, 2020 9:26:22 GMT
Latest
At Sweden Extra Press Conference regarding vaccination.
Bergström, the vaccine co-ordinator internationally, said people not within a risk group, not old and not working within the health care sector don't have to get a vaccine quickly, it's better to wait and see what the side effects are.
Only 600.000 people (5.8% of our total population) will get the vaccination in the beginning of next year.
2.200.000 people further (21.3%) will get vaccinated during 2021 until the summer/autumn.
When the rest of us (max 72.9%) will get vaccinated I have no idea.😲
On the other hand 30-55% according to surveys have said No thanks to a vaccination.
You could spot some scepticism and pessimism within FHM. They're not sure about the effect a vaccin have (what drug companies say is one thing). They're not sure if the vaccine stops the disease from spreading (it might just protect the person who got the vaccine).
The vaccines will be free. The cost is 4.500.000.000 SEK = £390.000.000, for the state. However, they're not sure if we have to get the vaccine each year - then it might not be free.
The vaccine requires two doses, with some weeks between. After the second injection it will take further weeks before it "kicks in", as they called it. So 2 months in total, from the first shot to protected.
This is in line with what they said during the summer, "most of us will get vaccinated in January 2022".
This is the slowest rate in Europe! France will be ready in the summer 2021.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 4, 2020 9:55:08 GMT
I’m sure if the Tory’s win the next election There will be rumblings from certain sections of the Labour Party for PR until they eventually win a majority And then it will be conveniently forgotten Funnily enough I received this today - Xmas Card for Keir Starmer. Perhaps you'd like to sign so that Labour commit before they get into power? The minute labour commit to PR they are accepting that they can’t win an election Which is dangerous Nobody will convince me that PR is any more than a vehicle To allow the tale to wag the dog It would allow the fringe parties to have a far greater influence than there share of the vote and make government far less stable causing more elections As Brenda from Bristol said what another one nothing will reduce voter engagement more than election after election As governments stumble along from one confidence vote to another First past the post may have faults but apart from the odd occasion has allowed stable government for the best part of hundred and fifty years and allowed governments to enact there promises to the electorate
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2020 10:00:12 GMT
In fact the more you hear about this travel announcement from Shapps, the more outrageous it gets. This is quite literally in black and white, one rule for the rich and one rule for the poor. Its one of the most outlandish examples of cronyism you'll ever see. Surely these exemptions only apply to people who drink soy lattes and come from Islington going to a WHO event sponsored by Bill Gates? You know - the elite.
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Post by eddyclamp on Dec 4, 2020 10:10:18 GMT
So we have a vaccine that is being made and shipped from Belgium for us to use. The Belgian people cannot use it. Flip this over, we are now exporting to Belgium without us having the vaccine. They would hang Boris off a lamppost. What are the Belgians saying about it?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 4, 2020 10:11:03 GMT
In fact the more you hear about this travel announcement from Shapps, the more outrageous it gets. This is quite literally in black and white, one rule for the rich and one rule for the poor. Its one of the most outlandish examples of cronyism you'll ever see. Surely these exemptions only apply to people who drink soy lattes and come from Islington going to a WHO event sponsored by Bill Gates? You know - the elite. Yep, there will be a fair few of those in there. Rita Ora and friends love a soy latte in Islington. I bet Gary Linekar is buzzing about his new exemption.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2020 10:24:25 GMT
Funnily enough I received this today - Xmas Card for Keir Starmer. Perhaps you'd like to sign so that Labour commit before they get into power? The minute labour commit to PR they are accepting that they can’t win an election Which is dangerous Nobody will convince me that PR is any more than a vehicle To allow the tale to wag the dog It would allow the fringe parties to have a far greater influence than there share of the vote and make government far less stable causing more elections As Brenda from Bristol said what another one nothing will reduce voter engagement more than election after election As governments stumble along from one confidence vote to another First past the post may have faults but apart from the odd occasion has allowed stable government for the best part of hundred and fifty years and allowed governments to enact there promises to the electorate It's completely the other way round - under first past the post you only need about 35% of the vote (the tail) in order to dictate to 65% of the electorate (the dog). The number of votes required to return an MP in the current parliament is: 864,743 to elect the lone Green MP 642,303 votes for zero Brexit Party MPs 334,122 to elect each Liberal Democrat 50,817 to elect each Labour MP 38,300 votes to elect each Conservative MP 38,316 to elect each Plaid Cymru MP 25,882 to elect each SNP MP So 1 Tory voter has 20 times the say so of a Green Party supporter - or 20 Green party supporter votes are the equivalent of one Tory vote. And as much as I detest the Brexit Party 642,303 people may as well have flushed their ballot paper down the toilet - are you saying nearly 1 million people should have no say in how they are governed purely because of the vagaries of an antiquated voting system? How is that in any sense "democratic". It's certainly more efficient to have a single party in control but ultimately it generates resentment and division and massive swings in direction with one party spending half their time demolishing what the last party in charge did. PR changes the nature of politics - it becomes more about resolving competing but legitimate perspectives rather than just the imposition of the will of the largest minority. Funnily enough the argument for stable government is the mantra of the communist party in China - and every other one party state for that matter.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2020 10:27:44 GMT
Surely these exemptions only apply to people who drink soy lattes and come from Islington going to a WHO event sponsored by Bill Gates? You know - the elite. Yep, there will be a fair few of those in there. Rita Ora and friends love a soy latte in Islington. I bet Gary Linekar is buzzing about his new exemption. And Big Nige - he'll get to do his support act for Donald's farewell tour after all. By the way Rita Ora and Gary Linekar being part of the elite is hilarious. Who got you on to this - Jim Davidson and The Krankies?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 4, 2020 10:46:33 GMT
Yep, there will be a fair few of those in there. Rita Ora and friends love a soy latte in Islington. I bet Gary Linekar is buzzing about his new exemption. And Big Nige - he'll get to do his support act for Donald's farewell tour after all. By the way Rita Ora and Gary Linekar being part of the elite is hilarious. Who got you on to this - Jim Davidson and The Krankies? The whole concept of hyperbole and light humour just goes completely over your head doesn't it. Are you this sterile and anorak-like in real life?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 4, 2020 10:50:54 GMT
For people who are fearful that the vaccine has been rushed through and not fully tested please read the article below. It was sent to me by a friend who lives in Switzerland and works for a drugs company as a trials scientist. The company specialises in cancer treatment but, over the last 10 months, has diverted everything into covid19 vaccine research. She said that there has been unprecedented collaboration between drugs companies throughout the world. This article is not written by a member of her company, he is Mark Toshner Director of Biomedical Research at Cambridge University and consultant at Addenbrooks Hospital amongst others so probably knows what he is talking about........... theconversation.com/less-than-a-year-to-develop-a-covid-vaccine-heres-why-you-shouldnt-be-alarmed-150414
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 4, 2020 11:34:49 GMT
Surely these exemptions only apply to people who drink soy lattes and come from Islington going to a WHO event sponsored by Bill Gates? You know - the elite. Yep, there will be a fair few of those in there. Rita Ora and friends love a soy latte in Islington. I bet Gary Linekar is buzzing about his new exemption. Or reward if you like.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2020 11:44:14 GMT
And Big Nige - he'll get to do his support act for Donald's farewell tour after all. By the way Rita Ora and Gary Linekar being part of the elite is hilarious. Who got you on to this - Jim Davidson and The Krankies? The whole concept of hyperbole and light humour just goes completely over your head doesn't it. Are you this sterile and anorak-like in real life? The concept of hyperbole is all about overstating your case to the point where it becomes ridiculous and the reference to Jim Davidson and The Krankies was using light humour (which went over your head) to illustrate the point. You know how to deploy hyperbole (the majority of your posts are full of it) but you clearly don't understand that it weakens your case rather than makes it stronger. Unless of course you are using hyperbole knowing full well you are just talking bollocks for the sake of it - which of course is what you claim when caught out by anyone using humour to illustrate the absurdity of what you said. Or maybe I just don't get anti woke humour. If by sterile anorak you mean dissecting the underlying meaning of what people are saying then yes unfortunately I am - my parka is soaking in TCP as we speak.
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Post by musik on Dec 4, 2020 12:28:55 GMT
For people who are fearful that the vaccine has been rushed through and not fully tested please read the article below. It was sent to me by a friend who lives in Switzerland and works for a drugs company as a trials scientist. The company specialises in cancer treatment but, over the last 10 months, has diverted everything into covid19 vaccine research. Bergström, co-ordinator for Sweden internationally, regarding the vaccine said: "even though the vaccine has developed fast, the tests have been 10 times more extensive than usual flu vaccines, just to make sure it's as secure as possible."
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 4, 2020 13:43:49 GMT
Islington gets a reet elite bashing on here. Its Westmister that has the elites chaps. While theres definitely plenty of places to get an oat latte, it's because half the shops have closed down and another fucking coffee place opens up. Islington is in the elite bracket for phone thefts and post code drug dealing mind.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 4, 2020 14:33:06 GMT
Islington gets a reet elite bashing on here. Its Westmister that has the elites chaps. While theres definitely plenty of places to get an oat latte, it's because half the shops have closed down and another fucking coffee place opens up. Islington is in the elite bracket for phone thefts and post code drug dealing mind. Islingtons becoming a right shit hole.....Acton, Nunhead and Dalston are where "( insert any annoying trendy 30 something name here)' are setting up home and looking fore the nearest trattoria.... Ponces
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 4, 2020 16:08:01 GMT
Islington gets a reet elite bashing on here. Its Westmister that has the elites chaps. While theres definitely plenty of places to get an oat latte, it's because half the shops have closed down and another fucking coffee place opens up. Islington is in the elite bracket for phone thefts and post code drug dealing mind. Islingtons becoming a right shit hole.....Acton, Nunhead and Dalston are where "( insert any annoying trendy 30 something name here)' are setting up home and looking fore the nearest trattoria.... Ponces Don't forget Stoke Newington. There are usually some fantastic beards on display at the farmers' market there.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 4, 2020 16:19:40 GMT
Covid: City stops care home tests over accuracy fears. Seems crazy that the lateral flow tests might only detect 5% of the most infectious visitors. Allowing virus to rip through an enclosed setting with some of the most vulnerable in society. Wrong tool for the job. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55188183
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 4, 2020 16:21:25 GMT
And Big Nige - he'll get to do his support act for Donald's farewell tour after all. By the way Rita Ora and Gary Linekar being part of the elite is hilarious. Who got you on to this - Jim Davidson and The Krankies? The whole concept of hyperbole and light humour just goes completely over your head doesn't it. Are you this sterile and anorak-like in real life? Are you being serious? You're either not very bright or a total hypocrite.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 4, 2020 16:38:11 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 4, 2020 16:40:31 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 4, 2020 16:57:15 GMT
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 4, 2020 17:04:17 GMT
Islingtons becoming a right shit hole.....Acton, Nunhead and Dalston are where "( insert any annoying trendy 30 something name here)' are setting up home and looking fore the nearest trattoria.... Ponces Don't forget Stoke Newington. There are usually some fantastic beards on display at the farmers' market there. How the hell have the elites in this country managed to convince people that its hipsters that are the real threat. In my experience they tend to be low on personality, never mind menace.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 4, 2020 17:11:30 GMT
Joe Anderson the Liverpool mayor arrested along with 3 others on on suspicion of Bribery and witness intimidation🤔 All that praise from Boris as well😄
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2020 17:12:37 GMT
Don't forget Stoke Newington. There are usually some fantastic beards on display at the farmers' market there. How the hell have the elites in this country managed to convince people that its hipsters that are the real threat. In my experience they tend to be low on personality, never mind menace. The same way Trump convinced his supporters that he was a man of the people and was going to drain the swam while funnelling wealth into his and his billionaire mates back pockets. Deflect attention by blaming someone else and do what you accuse others of doing. Look in the eyes, not at the hands....
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 4, 2020 17:14:26 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 17:15:44 GMT
Joe Anderson the Liverpool mayor arrested along with 3 others on on suspicion of Bribery and witness intimidation🤔 All that praise from Boris as well😄 How very Scouse.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2020 17:18:44 GMT
The minute labour commit to PR they are accepting that they can’t win an election Which is dangerous Nobody will convince me that PR is any more than a vehicle To allow the tale to wag the dog It would allow the fringe parties to have a far greater influence than there share of the vote and make government far less stable causing more elections As Brenda from Bristol said what another one nothing will reduce voter engagement more than election after election As governments stumble along from one confidence vote to another First past the post may have faults but apart from the odd occasion has allowed stable government for the best part of hundred and fifty years and allowed governments to enact there promises to the electorate It's completely the other way round - under first past the post you only need about 35% of the vote (the tail) in order to dictate to 65% of the electorate (the dog). The number of votes required to return an MP in the current parliament is: 864,743 to elect the lone Green MP 642,303 votes for zero Brexit Party MPs 334,122 to elect each Liberal Democrat 50,817 to elect each Labour MP 38,300 votes to elect each Conservative MP 38,316 to elect each Plaid Cymru MP 25,882 to elect each SNP MP So 1 Tory voter has 20 times the say so of a Green Party supporter - or 20 Green party supporter votes are the equivalent of one Tory vote. And as much as I detest the Brexit Party 642,303 people may as well have flushed their ballot paper down the toilet - are you saying nearly 1 million people should have no say in how they are governed purely because of the vagaries of an antiquated voting system? How is that in any sense "democratic". It's certainly more efficient to have a single party in control but ultimately it generates resentment and division and massive swings in direction with one party spending half their time demolishing what the last party in charge did. PR changes the nature of politics - it becomes more about resolving competing but legitimate perspectives rather than just the imposition of the will of the largest minority. Funnily enough the argument for stable government is the mantra of the communist party in China - and every other one party state for that matter. But we are not a one party state, we are a two party state and the leadership of those two parties swing between two wings. That would suggest we are a "4 party" state, but in reality we are a "3 party" state because when the left of the Labour Party are in the ascendancy, they are unelectable. But worse than that, when the Labour left are in the ascendancy, we have got right wing Tory government with Thatcher and Johnson, such is the British people's aversion to left wing politics. If we had proportional representation, it is possible the 2 main parties split like Labour did when the Social Democratic "gang of four" did. Then we might have at least 9* parties in Parliament and all sorts of wheeling and dealing like Italy. You would vote for your choice and get a liquorice allsorts government. * Labour right, Labour left, Tory, Scots Nats, Welsh Nats, Irish unionist (×2?), United Ireland, Greens, Liberal Democrats, and the raving loonies! I'm not defending fptp but I am saying it isn't always "greener in the next field" as so many seem to think. I also think if your create a system where the politicians can cook everything between themselves without a written constitution you are heading into very dangerous undemocratic waters, and governments you can't get rid of. The Tory/Lib Dem coalition introduced fixed term parliaments at Lib Dem insistance as a condition of support; how long did that last? If you have parties doing deals to form a government then I believe a written constitution that can only be changed by the people is an essential guarantor of democracy. Do you trust British politicians? People have argued for PR for generations, the problem is always you will never get a majority to agree on any system. Politicians will always want a system that suits them best.
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