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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2020 16:40:15 GMT
If this is true, then it's equally as bad as any of the stuff the anti-vaxxers are coming out with ... In other creepy af news, female actor Ellen Page has changed her name to Elliot and is in the process of growing a penis. What an age we live in. |
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Post by henry on Dec 2, 2020 16:44:22 GMT
So there is a risk with the vaccine then ? Thanks for that, I was coming round to the idea of having it. Of course there is a risk - but at the moment the risk looks far lower than dying of covid. The logic of your argument is that in order for the government to persuade people to take the vaccine they should lie and say it's completely without risk. And then of course all you will do then is bleat about the government lying to us and not take the vaccine. What you're saying simply proves my point about freeloaders. The majority of people who take the vaccine will know there is a a risk but will still take it knowing that despite the risks everyone benefits. The freeloading parasitic bastards will simply use any excuse not to take the vaccine and reap the benefits of those willing to put themselves out for the common good. If you're genuinely afraid I sincerely understand your concerns. If you are not afraid ( and the tone of your response say you are not) then you know full well what I think of your behaviour. Wrong I have genuine concerns what the side effects may be and over what period of time. |
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Post by Davef on Dec 2, 2020 16:51:51 GMT
Wow 648 We saw how slow the death rate was to come down in wave 1 given how quickly it rose so I guess wave 2 will be the same sort of deal. One more wave after the Xmas beano in Jan/Feb and after that hopefully the vaccine kicks in and we're home and hosed in the spring. That's 648 spread over 18 days. The 7 day rolling average as of 30th November was 374. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2020 16:59:13 GMT
Wow 648 We saw how slow the death rate was to come down in wave 1 given how quickly it rose so I guess wave 2 will be the same sort of deal. One more wave after the Xmas beano in Jan/Feb and after that hopefully the vaccine kicks in and we're home and hosed in the spring. /photo/1 |
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Post by Northy on Dec 2, 2020 17:13:45 GMT
If this is true, then it's equally as bad as any of the stuff the anti-vaxxers are coming out with ... In other creepy af news, female actor Ellen Page has changed her name to Elliot and is in the process of growing a penis. What an age we live in. How's that work with her wife, who married her as a woman, but she is now growing a meat and 2 veg ? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 2, 2020 17:18:10 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 2, 2020 17:35:29 GMT
No, as Covid is not in any sense harmless. Okay. 99.8% harmless. Without the number inflation and fear focus. It's the same level as flu. And I didn't see anyone accusing others of being selfish every other year. But then the accusation of selfish is directly from the Behavioural Insights Team policy. That's how much folk have been influenced by this several months long, multi-billion vaccine advertising campaign. Another 0.1% added lol! I wonder if your invented figure will reach 100.1% before or after Christmas. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2020 17:39:41 GMT
In other creepy af news, female actor Ellen Page has changed her name to Elliot and is in the process of growing a penis. What an age we live in. How's that work with her wife, who married her as a woman, but she is now growing a meat and 2 veg ? God knows. Apparently she has to be called "he" now and she is also growing a beard. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 2, 2020 17:59:35 GMT
Of course there is a risk - but at the moment the risk looks far lower than dying of covid. The logic of your argument is that in order for the government to persuade people to take the vaccine they should lie and say it's completely without risk. And then of course all you will do then is bleat about the government lying to us and not take the vaccine. What you're saying simply proves my point about freeloaders. The majority of people who take the vaccine will know there is a a risk but will still take it knowing that despite the risks everyone benefits. The freeloading parasitic bastards will simply use any excuse not to take the vaccine and reap the benefits of those willing to put themselves out for the common good. If you're genuinely afraid I sincerely understand your concerns. If you are not afraid ( and the tone of your response say you are not) then you know full well what I think of your behaviour. Wrong I have genuine concerns what the side effects may be and over what period of time. In that case my apologies. As I would understand the known risks no-one involved in any of the vaccine trials has suffered any serious side effects and no-one has died as a result of the vaccine. That's zero serious illness and no deaths in thousands of people - which at the very least is far lower than the known risk of dying from covid. Despite the shortened time frame all the vaccines have gone through exactly the same testing and safety precaution that any other vaccine would have had to gone through to actually get approval. It is no more dangerous than any other vaccine. As things stand if you are in a high risk group not taking the vaccine is likely to be riskier than taking it because your risk of death from covid is going to be far higher than the risk of dying from the vaccine. As I said in my original post if you are genuinely afraid don't take it. My personal view is that the risks are tiny and there's probably a far higher chance of me dying of an undiagnosed allergy - and then I'm sufficiently reckless to have a different curry whenever I go out for an Indian meal. Apologies again for accusing you of being a freeloader - I really can't think of a worse insult. |
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Post by starkiller on Dec 2, 2020 18:04:44 GMT
Okay. 99.8% harmless. Without the number inflation and fear focus. It's the same level as flu. And I didn't see anyone accusing others of being selfish every other year. But then the accusation of selfish is directly from the Behavioural Insights Team policy. That's how much folk have been influenced by this several months long, multi-billion vaccine advertising campaign. Another 0.1% added lol! I wonder if your invented figure will reach 100.1% before or after Christmas. You never know as they increase the tests of healthy people with bogus positives. As they have been counting 'positive' cases more than once. So over 100% is possible. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 2, 2020 18:06:19 GMT
If this is true, then it's equally as bad as any of the stuff the anti-vaxxers are coming out with ... In other creepy af news, female actor Ellen Page has changed her name to Elliot and is in the process of growing a penis. What an age we live in. How big does "he" intend to grow it? |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 2, 2020 18:33:24 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 2, 2020 18:46:47 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 2, 2020 19:03:00 GMT
No, as Covid is not in any sense harmless. Okay. 99.8% harmless. Without the number inflation and fear focus. It's the same level as flu. And I didn't see anyone accusing others of being selfish every other year. But then the accusation of selfish is directly from the Behavioural Insights Team policy. That's how much folk have been influenced by this several months long, multi-billion vaccine advertising campaign. Money for old rope. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2020 19:05:15 GMT
In other creepy af news, female actor Ellen Page has changed her name to Elliot and is in the process of growing a penis. What an age we live in. How big does "he" intend to grow it? Hormones I guess. 🤓 |
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Post by starkiller on Dec 2, 2020 19:16:49 GMT
Okay. 99.8% harmless. Without the number inflation and fear focus. It's the same level as flu. And I didn't see anyone accusing others of being selfish every other year. But then the accusation of selfish is directly from the Behavioural Insights Team policy. That's how much folk have been influenced by this several months long, multi-billion vaccine advertising campaign. Money for old rope. Paid for in destroyed livelihoods. And as I said earlier, wait for the bait and switch of taking a vaccine and still having most of the crap in place that we have now. With added weather-style virus reports to keep folk on their toes, now that it's worked so well and everyone has been trained. And when they come back for the sequel. |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 2, 2020 19:19:16 GMT
And as I said earlier, wait for the bait and switch of taking a vaccine and still having most of the crap in place that we have now. With added weather-style virus reports to keep folk on their toes, now that it's worked so well and everyone has been trained. And when they come back for the sequel. The sequel worries me. How long before another strain of bad flu appears. It’s been a great training run  |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 2, 2020 20:39:10 GMT
London with the most positives again for the 2nd day running🤔
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Post by Gods on Dec 2, 2020 21:13:26 GMT
A classic analogy from Professor Van Tam
“What a fantastic journey. And I gave you the train analogy many weeks ago now. The train has now slowed down safely. It has now stopped in the station and the doors are opened. That was the authorisation by the MHRA.
“Now we need people to get on that train and travel safety to those destinations. This train is going to stop several times on the way, it’s going to have to reach all parts of the UK. There will be trains that come behind it and that is going to take time. Everyone needs to be delighted with the news today, but patient and realistic about how this rolls out.”
And this
“This is a complex product with a very fragile cold chain. It’s not a yogurt that can be taken out of the fridge and put back in multiple times, it’s really tricky to handle.”
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Post by andystokey on Dec 2, 2020 22:04:23 GMT
A classic analogy from Professor Van Tam “What a fantastic journey. And I gave you the train analogy many weeks ago now. The train has now slowed down safely. It has now stopped in the station and the doors are opened. That was the authorisation by the MHRA. “Now we need people to get on that train and travel safety to those destinations. This train is going to stop several times on the way, it’s going to have to reach all parts of the UK. There will be trains that come behind it and that is going to take time. Everyone needs to be delighted with the news today, but patient and realistic about how this rolls out.” And this “This is a complex product with a very fragile cold chain. It’s not a yogurt that can be taken out of the fridge and put back in multiple times, it’s really tricky to handle.” I'll only get on the train if we have won the play offs, are we promoted or not? How do I know if my yogurt has gone off? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 22:21:27 GMT
And as I said earlier, wait for the bait and switch of taking a vaccine and still having most of the crap in place that we have now. With added weather-style virus reports to keep folk on their toes, now that it's worked so well and everyone has been trained. And when they come back for the sequel. The sequel worries me. How long before another strain of bad flu appears. It’s been a great training run How many times do you need to be told that flu and coronavirus are totally different. Both influenza and coronaviruses have a single strand of RNA as their genome, but that is where the genomic similarity ends. The influenza virus genome comprises 7 or 8 segments, while the coronavirus has one long strand. Influenza virus RNA is what is known as ‘negative sense RNA’. This means that its sequence is the mirror image of the correct code for proteins and a complementary strand must be made from it before production of new viruses within a host cell can proceed. In contrast, the coronavirus genome is ‘positive sense’ which means it can act as messenger RNA and code for proteins. So from a virological point of view, coronavirus is definitely not a type of flu. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2020 22:28:23 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2020 22:35:58 GMT
Paid for in destroyed livelihoods. And as I said earlier, wait for the bait and switch of taking a vaccine and still having most of the crap in place that we have now. With added weather-style virus reports to keep folk on their toes, now that it's worked so well and everyone has been trained. And when they come back for the sequel. That's the thing so many fear and why I suspect Boris was so quick to shut up twat face tonight (who basically had to backtrack). As if he actually suggested we should be wearing masks for years to come because it's "good hygiene". I do worry that we will undoubtedly lose a chunk of our previous life off the back of this shit, vaccine or no vaccine. Anyone who thinks we'll go back to total normality anytime soon is on another planet. Not happening. For those wondering what moment I'm on about see below. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9011139/Jonathan-Van-Tam-warns-face-masks-necessary-YEARS.html |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 22:47:52 GMT
Paid for in destroyed livelihoods. And as I said earlier, wait for the bait and switch of taking a vaccine and still having most of the crap in place that we have now. With added weather-style virus reports to keep folk on their toes, now that it's worked so well and everyone has been trained. And when they come back for the sequel. That's the thing so many fear and why I suspect Boris was so quick to shut up twat face tonight (who basically had to backtrack). As if he actually suggested we should be wearing masks for years to come because it's "good hygiene". I do worry that we will undoubtedly lose a chunk of our previous life off the back of this shit, vaccine or no vaccine. Anyone who thinks we'll go back to total normality anytime soon is on another planet. Not happening. For those wondering what moment I'm on about see below. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9011139/Jonathan-Van-Tam-warns-face-masks-necessary-YEARS.htmlThings must be bad if you're resorting to sensationalist links from the daily Mail. Give it a rest. |
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Post by musik on Dec 2, 2020 22:48:24 GMT
Latest Sweden
174 new deaths today
(some kind of sad record?)
DaveF, this time they simply couldn't include the weekend cases again, could they?
FHs, it's wednesday evening now.
238 ICU cases atm (>half of the country's total capacity).
5400 new cases since yesterday.
266158 infected since the start a year ago.
Some say Corona started in Nov 2019? Or was it January 2020?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2020 22:51:07 GMT
That's the thing so many fear and why I suspect Boris was so quick to shut up twat face tonight (who basically had to backtrack). As if he actually suggested we should be wearing masks for years to come because it's "good hygiene". I do worry that we will undoubtedly lose a chunk of our previous life off the back of this shit, vaccine or no vaccine. Anyone who thinks we'll go back to total normality anytime soon is on another planet. Not happening. For those wondering what moment I'm on about see below. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9011139/Jonathan-Van-Tam-warns-face-masks-necessary-YEARS.htmlThings must be bad if you're resorting to sensationalist links from the daily Mail. Give it a rest. It's in pretty much every mainstream paper. The paper is irrelevant when you can listen to it with your own ears? You must have clocked the awkward moment yourself? |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 2, 2020 22:56:35 GMT
Paid for in destroyed livelihoods. And as I said earlier, wait for the bait and switch of taking a vaccine and still having most of the crap in place that we have now. With added weather-style virus reports to keep folk on their toes, now that it's worked so well and everyone has been trained. And when they come back for the sequel. That's the thing so many fear and why I suspect Boris was so quick to shut up twat face tonight (who basically had to backtrack). As if he actually suggested we should be wearing masks for years to come because it's "good hygiene". I do worry that we will undoubtedly lose a chunk of our previous life off the back of this shit, vaccine or no vaccine. Anyone who thinks we'll go back to total normality anytime soon is on another planet. Not happening. For those wondering what moment I'm on about see below. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9011139/Jonathan-Van-Tam-warns-face-masks-necessary-YEARS.htmlThere is a war of ideas going on at the highest power levels in the land. Gove contradicting Zahawi. SAGE wanting to carry on with the fear. Boris appeasing the rebels. The next few months will be defining moments on the future course of the country for years to come. It's essential these influencers can feel the pulse of the population and we collectively don't passively watch from the sidelines. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2020 22:57:52 GMT
That's the thing so many fear and why I suspect Boris was so quick to shut up twat face tonight (who basically had to backtrack). As if he actually suggested we should be wearing masks for years to come because it's "good hygiene". I do worry that we will undoubtedly lose a chunk of our previous life off the back of this shit, vaccine or no vaccine. Anyone who thinks we'll go back to total normality anytime soon is on another planet. Not happening. For those wondering what moment I'm on about see below. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9011139/Jonathan-Van-Tam-warns-face-masks-necessary-YEARS.htmlThere is a war of ideas going on at the highest power levels in the land. Gove contradicting Zahawi. SAGE wanting to carry on with the fear. Boris appeasing the rebels. The next few months will be defining moments on the future course of the country for years to come. It's essential these influencers can feel the pulse of the population and we collectively don't passively watch from the sidelines. Indeed. The country is as divided on this as anything in our lifetime - brexit included. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 2, 2020 23:03:09 GMT
Things must be bad if you're resorting to sensationalist links from the daily Mail. Give it a rest. It's in pretty much every mainstream paper. The paper is irrelevant when you can listen to it with your own ears? You must have clocked the awkward moment yourself? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 2, 2020 23:03:49 GMT
You are just making stuff up. By definition an 'elite' is a small group of people at the very top of society - the middle class is a very large group of people in the middle. It's why they are called the "middle" class. According to this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_British_Class_Survey the elite us made up of about 6% of the population and have a salary north of 89k (as of 2011). The traditional middle class make up 25% of the population, have an average salary of 47k. It is the elite who occupy the very top jobs and most influence in how the country is run - not the middle class. This survey also points out that the traditional working class now only make up 14% of the population and it identifies the technical middle class (6%), new affluent workers (15%) and service sector (19%). It also identifies the precariat - 15% of the population living on the edge, the genuine poor. As well as having a complete lack of understanding as to how society is stratified you are completely wrong in assuming each group has a monolithic set of social attitudes defined by their social class. I know plenty of middle class people who share your anti-woke/Neanderthal social attitudes (and there's plenty of examples of the elite with attitudes that stink - including utter contempt for anyone outside the elite) and I know working class/new affluent/service sector/precariat people with very progressive social attitudes. You seem to think you somehow represent the working class but I'll put money on you not even belonging to the working class in the sense it is now used. You may well represent a group of people with regressive social attitudes and you might well find in denigrating the middle class you are marginalising some of your own natural supporters Without going over every line of this shit (your Wikipedia references aren't great for your already woeful credibility ratings with the oatcake faithful 😉) and giving us as you always do, dumb advice on how us "neanderlithic" peasants should live, I'm keen to ask you something. Are you saying you don't see the government as elites? You seem confused over the definition of elite. Modern elitism is about power, attitude, education and influence and not solely someone's salary. By default, elites tend to earn well but extreme wealth is not the sole definition - sometimes it is but not always. You must have heard of the expression "Islington Elite"? That's not because they all earn over 500k a year. Im also in agreement that the woke elite is a minority. I've been telling you that for months!! I think we are seeing some amazing changes in our social make up which in part, Brexit contributed to. Just look at the pro lockdown vs anti lockdown sentiment. Right and left and rich and poor are intertwined like never before and its great to see. Who would have thought middle England and the North East had so much in common. Meanwhile big corporates, big pharma, lamestream media and almost the entirety of the celeb world have made a sizeable shift to the new Liberal (but not so Liberal) left. Its fascinating and bizarre times. P.s I absolutely don't profess to stand for the working class but thanks again for that compliment. In what world is the woke Islington Elite an elite in the sense of having actual power and authority? It's a Daily Mail construct designed to provide a derogatory term to dismiss a left wing clique in North London. In Corbyn they had a hero who could have given them some actual power. For some very good reasons it didn't happen. The Islington Elite have never been an elite and never will be. The real elite are those with actual power and authority with no democratic mandate. It's the landed gentry, inherited wealth and the power and privilege granted through money you have not earned that gets you into the public school system - the old school tie and the top jobs at the end of the Oxbridge conveyor belt denied to everyone not in that privileged position. The real tragedy of British politics is that its totally stitched up by this elite. Johnson went to the same school as Cameron (and surprise surprise it wasn't Longton High School - if it had there would have been a public enquiry). Your hero Farage is a public school boy - and the last time I looked 'Stockbroker' isn't a breadline occupation. Starmer went to a somewhat less elitist Grammar School - yet bizarrely you probably write him off as being elite because his politics are on the left and he holds socially progressive views. And as to my credibility with the Oatcake Faithful - really? At some point I've probably pissed off everyone on this site. If I've genuinely hurt anyone by misinterpreting their views I've apologised. But all I've done is post what I think - if it's affected my credibility with the Oatcake Faithful I genuinely do not give a fuck and I have every intention of carrying on pissing people off by posting what I actually think rather than what I think they might like. Credibility with the Oatcake Faithful is your problem not mine. |
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