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Post by musik on Dec 2, 2020 13:42:31 GMT
I cannot believe that 23% of the population say they won’t have the vaccine🙄and 10% are on the fence,WTF? It's 55% in Sweden ... 😲 We will have trouble getting to herd immunity, if such a phenomena even exists. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2020 13:53:51 GMT
I cannot believe that 23% of the population say they won’t have the vaccine🙄and 10% are on the fence,WTF? Thick as mince nation. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2020 14:03:19 GMT
It's a non starter anyway. Ultimately everyone will have it (or as good as) because they won't be able to do anything otherwise (rightly or wrongly). It will be like the yellow card in West Africa, if you don't have it, no entry.
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Post by henry on Dec 2, 2020 14:10:26 GMT
I cannot believe that 23% of the population say they won’t have the vaccine🙄and 10% are on the fence,WTF? Thick as mince nation. Mr self fucking righteous. |
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Post by starkiller on Dec 2, 2020 14:21:02 GMT
Some very positive news this morning to enable us to look forward to 2021 Hopefully the changes due regarding our relationship with Central Europe, will not hinder the delivery of the Pfizer vaccine which is manufactured in Belgium Looking forward to next season and hopefully crowds filling the stadiums Extremely convenient timing. |
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Post by starkiller on Dec 2, 2020 14:22:22 GMT
I cannot believe that 23% of the population say they won’t have the vaccine🙄and 10% are on the fence,WTF? Thick as mince nation. Why does a virtually harmless virus need the whole world vaccinated? Has this thought crossed your mind? |
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Post by musik on Dec 2, 2020 14:29:56 GMT
Definition of a thought:
1) An idea or opinion produced by thinking, or occuring suddenly in the mind
2) The action or process of thinking
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Post by southstanddan on Dec 2, 2020 14:47:39 GMT
And a very quiet thread for some reason..... Thought most of the gammons weren't having it anyway? Been saying for long enough that the virus is nothing to worry about so why would they? Either that or don't want any of that German muck but waiting for the less effective British one to be approved. Either way unless you're over 80 yours will be stuck in a queue in Calais. Happy now? Yup, you managed to turn it in to a negative. Just as I was expecting from this thread |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 2, 2020 14:52:48 GMT
I thought that there was a certain amount of natural immunity within the population?
Are they going to do an immunity test before wasting a 'vaccine' on someone who doesn't need it?
Of course they won't bend over, one and all!
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 2, 2020 14:57:24 GMT
This woke word is getting right on my tits. When you can be bothered to understand where it came from this new version which is meant as a sleight hides a multitude of sins. I wish people would just say what they mean. If it's a dig at anyone interested in issues concerning social justice and racial justice then count me in. When it's used these days as a detrimental term it can mask some pretty ugly thoughts. My personal view is just say what you mean and don't hide behind the foggy definition, otherwise I'll probably assume it's peddling some pretty unsavoury trope. It feels like the same shite people peddled with the word "chav" a few years ago, some self righteous holier than though bollocks. I'm sure I'm not the only one, just speak English instead of some culturally appropriated slang that most people aren't part of. 🤮 Its almost as if the Liberal lefty, leaf eating, gender neutral marching thought nazis don't have their own buzzwords like gammon, anti vaxxer, racist to use when they've got nothing else to say. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 2, 2020 14:58:11 GMT
I cannot believe that 23% of the population say they won’t have the vaccine🙄and 10% are on the fence,WTF? Which is why misinformation about the vaccine is so problematic - if 70% is the marker for herd immunity (which admittedly isn't established) then there are already enough people to render any mass vaccination programme ineffective. I have some sympathy for people who are genuinely afraid. There is no real reason to be afraid (most of the reasons put forward are various shades of paranoid bullshit or genuine misunderstanding of the science) but fear is fundamentally an irrational thing and reason sometimes isn't a way out. The people I really hold in contempt are the freeloading bastards who make the calculation that they can let others take the vaccine and incur any risk knowing that they will benefit from the resulting herd immunity without sharing the risk or the inconvenience and discomfort of a jab themselves. This is perfectly rational in the sense it's true (providing enough people do take the jab) but it's utterly contemptible. I can also guarantee these are the same people bleating about the infringement of human rights around any restrictions imposed on people who choose not to take the vaccine. After all what's the point of being a freeloader if you can't enjoy the fruits of the mugs you're freeloading off? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2020 15:02:19 GMT
Why does a virtually harmless virus need the whole world vaccinated? Has this thought crossed your mind? 80000 excess deaths in this country imo doesn't constitute as "virtually harmless". |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 2, 2020 15:03:51 GMT
It's ok though because Matt Hancock and Peirs Morgan are going to get the vaccination live on TV.
Maybe it'll mutate them into human being.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 2, 2020 15:05:26 GMT
Why does a virtually harmless virus need the whole world vaccinated? Has this thought crossed your mind? No, as Covid is not in any sense harmless. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 2, 2020 15:17:28 GMT
How are they testing the effectiveness of the vaccine when there's not effective, reliable test for covid in the first place?
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 2, 2020 15:26:44 GMT
You almost sound bitter that brexit has been proved to work Just giving you something to wake up for Waggy. You know you love it. 😁 |
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Post by henry on Dec 2, 2020 15:30:00 GMT
I cannot believe that 23% of the population say they won’t have the vaccine🙄and 10% are on the fence,WTF? Which is why misinformation about the vaccine is so problematic - if 70% is the marker for herd immunity (which admittedly isn't established) then there are already enough people to render any mass vaccination programme ineffective. I have some sympathy for people who are genuinely afraid. There is no real reason to be afraid (most of the reasons put forward are various shades of paranoid bullshit or genuine misunderstanding of the science) but fear is fundamentally an irrational thing and reason sometimes isn't a way out. The people I really hold in contempt are the freeloading bastards who make the calculation that they can let others take the vaccine and incur any risk knowing that they will benefit from the resulting herd immunity without sharing the risk or the inconvenience and discomfort of a jab themselves. This is perfectly rational in the sense it's true (providing enough people do take the jab) but it's utterly contemptible. I can also guarantee these are the same people bleating about the infringement of human rights around any restrictions imposed on people who choose not to take the vaccine. After all what's the point of being a freeloader if you can't enjoy the fruits of the mugs you're freeloading off? So there is a risk with the vaccine then ? Thanks for that, I was coming round to the idea of having it. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 2, 2020 15:30:08 GMT
It's ok though because Matt Hancock and Peirs Morgan are going to get the vaccination live on TV. Maybe it'll mutate them into human being. Hancock has half a chance As for the other forget it |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 2, 2020 15:32:06 GMT
I thought that there was a certain amount of natural immunity within the population? Are they going to do an immunity test before wasting a 'vaccine' on someone who doesn't need it? Of course they won't bend over, one and all! As I understand it: 1 The virus that causes covid-19 has only recently jumped species into humans and as such there is no full blown natural immunity because we haven't being exposed to this strain before. Some scientists are claiming that exposure to other strains of coronavirus may mean some populations do have some natural immunity but this remains unproven (it has been put forward as a reason infections are so low in Japan). 2 Some people infected by the virus do not get ill (i.e. they are asymptomatic) but they are still infectious - apparently less so than people who get symptoms but still able to infect others. 3 There isn't an immunity test but there is an anti-body test which indicates that you have been exposed to the virus. If you have anti bodies then your body is able to fight off the virus but it is not known how long immunity lasts. There was a recent case in the US where a man got a very mild infection and then was infected a second time and became seriously ill. At the moment the number of recorded re-infections is low - but the virus hasn't been around long enough for any reliable view on long term immunity. 4 A vaccine programme serves two purposes: firstly protect the vulnerable (in your terms the people who need it) and secondly to prevent the virus spreading (which in your terms means giving it to people who "don't need it"). 5 Over time human beings will acquire a herd immunity to this virus - but it could take years and millions of deaths around the world. A successful vaccine - which means the majority of the population taking it - will massively reduce these timescales and save millions of lives. So in short if you want life to get back to normal sooner rather than later drop them, assume the position and take it like a man. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 2, 2020 15:35:59 GMT
Thought most of the gammons weren't having it anyway? Been saying for long enough that the virus is nothing to worry about so why would they? Either that or don't want any of that German muck but waiting for the less effective British one to be approved. Either way unless you're over 80 yours will be stuck in a queue in Calais. Happy now? Yup, you managed to turn it in to a negative. Just as I was expecting from this thread Oh Gawd. Too busy being permanently outraged to spot a piss take? I'll put a big fucking red flag on it next time - just for you. |
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Post by Northy on Dec 2, 2020 15:36:36 GMT
Which is why misinformation about the vaccine is so problematic - if 70% is the marker for herd immunity (which admittedly isn't established) then there are already enough people to render any mass vaccination programme ineffective. I have some sympathy for people who are genuinely afraid. There is no real reason to be afraid (most of the reasons put forward are various shades of paranoid bullshit or genuine misunderstanding of the science) but fear is fundamentally an irrational thing and reason sometimes isn't a way out. The people I really hold in contempt are the freeloading bastards who make the calculation that they can let others take the vaccine and incur any risk knowing that they will benefit from the resulting herd immunity without sharing the risk or the inconvenience and discomfort of a jab themselves. This is perfectly rational in the sense it's true (providing enough people do take the jab) but it's utterly contemptible. I can also guarantee these are the same people bleating about the infringement of human rights around any restrictions imposed on people who choose not to take the vaccine. After all what's the point of being a freeloader if you can't enjoy the fruits of the mugs you're freeloading off? So there is a risk with the vaccine then ? Thanks for that, I was coming round to the idea of having it. There's a risk in lots of things though, penicillin, nuts, other vaccines etc. I'm allergic to some anti malaria tablets, they've been used for years, on millions of people with no problem, but I was one of a tiny % that became allergic to them. |
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Post by starkiller on Dec 2, 2020 15:46:05 GMT
Why does a virtually harmless virus need the whole world vaccinated? Has this thought crossed your mind? No, as Covid is not in any sense harmless. Okay. 99.8% harmless. Without the number inflation and fear focus. It's the same level as flu. And I didn't see anyone accusing others of being selfish every other year. But then the accusation of selfish is directly from the Behavioural Insights Team policy. That's how much folk have been influenced by this several months long, multi-billion vaccine advertising campaign. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 2, 2020 15:47:24 GMT
Which is why misinformation about the vaccine is so problematic - if 70% is the marker for herd immunity (which admittedly isn't established) then there are already enough people to render any mass vaccination programme ineffective. I have some sympathy for people who are genuinely afraid. There is no real reason to be afraid (most of the reasons put forward are various shades of paranoid bullshit or genuine misunderstanding of the science) but fear is fundamentally an irrational thing and reason sometimes isn't a way out. The people I really hold in contempt are the freeloading bastards who make the calculation that they can let others take the vaccine and incur any risk knowing that they will benefit from the resulting herd immunity without sharing the risk or the inconvenience and discomfort of a jab themselves. This is perfectly rational in the sense it's true (providing enough people do take the jab) but it's utterly contemptible. I can also guarantee these are the same people bleating about the infringement of human rights around any restrictions imposed on people who choose not to take the vaccine. After all what's the point of being a freeloader if you can't enjoy the fruits of the mugs you're freeloading off? So there is a risk with the vaccine then ? Thanks for that, I was coming round to the idea of having it. Of course there is a risk - but at the moment the risk looks far lower than dying of covid. The logic of your argument is that in order for the government to persuade people to take the vaccine they should lie and say it's completely without risk. And then of course all you will do then is bleat about the government lying to us and not take the vaccine. What you're saying simply proves my point about freeloaders. The majority of people who take the vaccine will know there is a a risk but will still take it knowing that despite the risks everyone benefits. The freeloading parasitic bastards will simply use any excuse not to take the vaccine and reap the benefits of those willing to put themselves out for the common good. If you're genuinely afraid I sincerely understand your concerns. If you are not afraid (and the tone of your response say you are not) then you know full well what I think of your behaviour. |
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 2, 2020 15:49:34 GMT
So there is a risk with the vaccine then ? Thanks for that, I was coming round to the idea of having it. There's a risk in lots of things though, penicillin, nuts, other vaccines etc. I'm allergic to some anti malaria tablets, they've been used for years, on millions of people with no problem, but I was one of a tiny % that became allergic to them. This is the reason I feel mass vaccinations are not sensible for this disease as if it proves a very small percent end up with a 'bad reaction' or develop something unforeseen then this could be a large number of people if we are intending to vaccinate billions of people worldwide. At this stage we have no idea if this would be the case or not unlike other vaccines like the MMR which have many years of study so it would make far more sense to vaccinate those actually at risk of serious illness. I suspect by the time phase one of the government's list is complete (spring/early summer) coupled with the apparent seasonal nature of the virus, that vaccinating everyone won't be required anyway. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 2, 2020 15:49:41 GMT
Of course there is a risk - but at the moment the risk looks far lower than dying of covid.
What are you basing that on?
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Post by henry on Dec 2, 2020 15:54:44 GMT
So there is a risk with the vaccine then ? Thanks for that, I was coming round to the idea of having it. Of course there is a risk - but at the moment the risk looks far lower than dying of covid. The logic of your argument is that in order for the government to persuade people to take the vaccine they should lie and say it's completely without risk. And then of course all you will do then is bleat about the government lying to us and not take the vaccine. What you're saying simply proves my point about freeloaders. The majority of people who take the vaccine will know there is a a risk but will still take it knowing that despite the risks everyone benefits. The freeloading parasitic bastards will simply use any excuse not to take the vaccine and reap the benefits of those willing to put themselves out for the common good. If you're genuinely afraid I sincerely understand your concerns. If you are not afraid (and the tone of your response say you are not) then you know full well what I think of your behaviour. Give me the risk as a percentage so I’m a bit more informed please. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 2, 2020 16:04:27 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 2, 2020 16:14:07 GMT
If this is true, then it's equally as bad as any of the stuff the anti-vaxxers are coming out with ...
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 2, 2020 16:33:53 GMT
If this is true, then it's equally as bad as any of the stuff the anti-vaxxers are coming out with ... This is deeply concerning. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 2, 2020 16:36:01 GMT
Wow 648 We saw how slow the death rate was to come down in wave 1 given how quickly it rose so I guess wave 2 will be the same sort of deal. One more wave after the Xmas beano in Jan/Feb and after that hopefully the vaccine kicks in and we're home and hosed in the spring. |
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