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Post by spitthedog on Nov 30, 2020 13:51:30 GMT
Drinkers in tier two areas of England could order a Scotch egg with their pint to keep in line with post-lockdown rules, a cabinet minister has said.
Downing Street has not ruled out tier two drinkers being able to order a Scotch egg, but would not set out the difference between a snack and a meal.
Is this from a Monty Python episode, or was I dreaming?
This is a main story on the BBC News and other News Agencies!
WTF!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2020 14:00:41 GMT
And then you have the people that anything they try is wrong. It’s all getting pathetic and laughable but crack on. The Welsh government have just come out of lockdown and are now going into another They’ve tried My stance on the Welsh way of doing things for the last 3 months has been that they're mad! |
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Post by Gods on Nov 30, 2020 14:04:25 GMT
Drinkers in tier two areas of England could order a Scotch egg with their pint to keep in line with post-lockdown rules, a cabinet minister has said. Downing Street has not ruled out tier two drinkers being able to order a Scotch egg, but would not set out the difference between a snack and a meal. Is this from a Monty Python episode, or was I dreaming? This is a main story on the BBC News and other News Agencies! WTF! There are a couple of classic Alan Partridge moments involving a scotch egg! |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 30, 2020 14:04:44 GMT
Drinkers in tier two areas of England could order a Scotch egg with their pint to keep in line with post-lockdown rules, a cabinet minister has said. Downing Street has not ruled out tier two drinkers being able to order a Scotch egg, but would not set out the difference between a snack and a meal. Is this from a Monty Python episode, or was I dreaming? This is a main story on the BBC News and other News Agencies! WTF! Truly bonkers. |
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Post by dexta on Nov 30, 2020 14:05:22 GMT
The Welsh government have just come out of lockdown and are now going into another They’ve tried My stance on the Welsh way of doing things for the last 3 months has been that they're mad! you must have a bit of Welsh blood in you then |
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Post by Northy on Nov 30, 2020 14:09:04 GMT
Because if the virus runs rampant in the under 65s the nhs won’t cope is the reason Under 65 with no conditions the virus just passes 99% by 99% with no symptoms ? I thought it as about mid 70's% that were asymptomatic ? |
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Post by musik on Nov 30, 2020 14:18:12 GMT
Latest Sweden
* The Government is worried the peak of the second wave isn't reached yet.
An expert said today: even though we haven't a Pandemic Law here and only the Constitution to follow, which doesn't permit lockdowns, the regions could still decide about regional lockdowns, region by region. An option within a month.
* At senior high school level in Östersund (called gymnasium here) the students are trying to spread covid-19, just to be immune in time for the exams in early June.
Have they heard about the vaccine? 🤯
The Criminal Classification will be Spreading of infection.
Elevhälsan (an Authority), Monica Sandström: "incredibly clueless".
* H5N8, the Bird flu, have beginning to spread in Sweden -like it has in the rest of Europe (text tv news). It can NOT infect humans.
It must be a different kind of Bird flu than the one we had a vaccination program against?
* Long-covid patient can eventually get compensation called sickness "benefit"(?).
However, not for the first 180 days, and they must themselves PROVE they will be fully recovered within 365 days.
How will they be able to do that? 🤔
What happens if they can't do that? Where will they get money from?
And what happens if their illness and/or handicap due to Corona continues for years/life?
Any similar system in England?
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Post by musik on Nov 30, 2020 14:28:20 GMT
Under 65 with no conditions the virus just passes 99% by 99% with no symptoms ? I thought it as about mid 70's% that were asymptomatic ? This could be an amount issue. The more corona virus you have inhaled, the less likely you will be asymptomatic? Speculating. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 30, 2020 14:39:23 GMT
Latest Sweden * The Government is worried the peak of the second wave isn't reached yet. An expert said today: even though we haven't a Pandemic Law here and only the Constitution to follow, which doesn't permit lockdowns, the regions could still decide about regional lockdowns, region by region. An option within a month. * At senior high school level in Östersund (called gymnasium here) the students are trying to spread covid-19, just to be immune in time for the exams in early June. Have they heard about the vaccine? 🤯 The Criminal Classification will be Spreading of infection. Elevhälsan (an Authority), Monica Sandström: "incredibly clueless". * H5N8, the Bird flu, have beginning to spread in Sweden -like it has in the rest of Europe (text tv news). It can NOT infect humans. It must be a different kind of Bird flu than the one we had a vaccination program against? * Long-covid patient can eventually get compensation called sickness "benefit"(?). However, not for the first 180 days, and they must themselves PROVE they will be fully recovered within 365 days. How will they be able to do that? 🤔 What happens if they can't do that? Where will they get money from? And what happens if their illness and/or handicap due to Corona continues for years/life? Any similar system in England? I don't think there are any special arrangements for sickness pay in respect of 'long covid' in the UK, it's just in with all the other diseases and your entitlement would be whatever it is or isn't for say pneumonia for the sake of argument. |
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Post by musik on Nov 30, 2020 14:44:29 GMT
Latest Sweden * The Government is worried the peak of the second wave isn't reached yet. An expert said today: even though we haven't a Pandemic Law here and only the Constitution to follow, which doesn't permit lockdowns, the regions could still decide about regional lockdowns, region by region. An option within a month. * At senior high school level in Östersund (called gymnasium here) the students are trying to spread covid-19, just to be immune in time for the exams in early June. Have they heard about the vaccine? 🤯 The Criminal Classification will be Spreading of infection. Elevhälsan (an Authority), Monica Sandström: "incredibly clueless". * H5N8, the Bird flu, have beginning to spread in Sweden -like it has in the rest of Europe (text tv news). It can NOT infect humans. It must be a different kind of Bird flu than the one we had a vaccination program against? * Long-covid patient can eventually get compensation called sickness "benefit"(?). However, not for the first 180 days, and they must themselves PROVE they will be fully recovered within 365 days. How will they be able to do that? 🤔 What happens if they can't do that? Where will they get money from? And what happens if their illness and/or handicap due to Corona continues for years/life? Any similar system in England? I don't think there are any special arrangements for sickness pay in respect of 'long covid' in the UK, it's just in with all the other diseases and your entitlement would be whatever it is or isn't for say pneumonia for the sake of argument. Ok, thanks! Reasonable. And again, Sweden have to write new laws again all the time. If something isn't specifically mentioned in detail in some law (like the word Corona), nothing can be done .... |
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 30, 2020 15:04:29 GMT
I don't think there are any special arrangements for sickness pay in respect of 'long covid' in the UK, it's just in with all the other diseases and your entitlement would be whatever it is or isn't for say pneumonia for the sake of argument. Ok, thanks! Reasonable. And again, Sweden have to write new laws again all the time. If something isn't specifically mentioned in detail in some law (like the word Corona), nothing can be done .... The only Sick pay scheme we've got for Covid is we're entitled to 14 Days Sick pay (£95.85 a week) which the employer can claim back in full from the government. Plus there's some £500 payment that people on certain benefits can get on top of the Sick pay from the local council. Any long term Covid will just fall under normal Sick pay rules which is £95.85 a week for upto 6 months but the employer doesn't get it back off the government. We've got a thing called Employer Allowance that subsidises businesses sick pay upto a max of £4,000.00 a year |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 30, 2020 15:09:21 GMT
So Wales goes into a lockdown for two weeks. The kids go back to school half way through it and you wonder why cases go up Ah so if we go back to the summer we won’t find you calling for the schools to have gone back etc. 😂 The point is if you are having a circuit breaker lockdown why send the kids back to school in the middle of it |
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Post by duckling on Nov 30, 2020 15:10:37 GMT
With respect also, thats presumptuous bollocks at best, by someone who generally only reads what he wants to here. If you had ever bothered to read what I have written here before, I am not pro-lockdown at all. I said only a few weeks ago how ridiculous it is to lockdown and keep schools open. As a result, my entire family is in quarantine with positive tests, likely to have been picked up at school. I've just given you a list of reasons why it would be nigh on impossible to "shield" 15 million people in the UK. Take my scenario had we not just contracted the virus. I am 35, pretty fit and healthy although I am vulnerable because I have an auto-immune disease and therefore immunosuppressed however with the right medicine it is like I have no ailment. I would have to shield in your eyes. I have a partner who is not vulnerable and we have a 3 year old and a 7 year old, also both not vulnerable. Do I need to move out, find a new place and separate until god knows when? Does my partner need to tell work she cant go in because she needs to shield with me? Do my children need to sacrifice school until god knows when, so they can shield with me? What about their grandparents that are both in their 70s, whom we rely on for childcare? Cannot see their grandkids until when? As I said, pie in the sky and would simply not work in the real world. I'm in the same situation. 30s and immunosuppressed. I'm wracking my brains to think of how I could totally shield myself. People who use the "shield yourself" line have no idea what it would take to shield me and those like me. It's hard enough to shield one vulnerable person, let alone 15 million. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 30, 2020 15:17:56 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 30, 2020 15:21:01 GMT
The timing of this wave suggests that children/students going back were the trigger (and that the virus is predominantly seasonal) and its this link which has spread the disease through out households. Whilst this link is open, you could argue that the lock downs did/do bugger all/little to suppress the virus and it simply ran through the young until enough immunity was there for transmission to fall. Meanwhile the hospitality sector has been hung out to dry like some sort of sacrificial lamb.
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Post by Davef on Nov 30, 2020 15:24:59 GMT
Just a few weeks to flatten the curve.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 30, 2020 15:28:12 GMT
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Post by musik on Nov 30, 2020 15:32:54 GMT
Ok, thanks! Reasonable. And again, Sweden have to write new laws again all the time. If something isn't specifically mentioned in detail in some law (like the word Corona), nothing can be done .... The only Sick pay scheme we've got for Covid is we're entitled to 14 Days Sick pay (£95.85 a week) which the employer can claim back in full from the government. Plus there's some £500 payment that people on certain benefits can get on top of the Sick pay from the local council. Any long term Covid will just fall under normal Sick pay rules which is £95.85 a week for upto 6 months but the employer doesn't get it back off the government. We've got a thing called Employer Allowance that subsidises businesses sick pay upto a max of £4,000.00 a year Thank You! Interesting to see. In Sweden it's supposed to work like this: The first 14 days Sick Pay from the Employer. It's not a fixed amount. It depends on how much you earn, 80% of your wage. However, the limit is 804 SEK (£71) per day. Keep in mind, we have the highest taxes in the world and you pay tax on this money. And we also have something called Karensavdrag (Qualifying period) for all, which lowers the Sick Pay by 20% for the first week. After the 14 first day it's not the employer but FK (an authority) who pays out the sick pay. This can be prolonged for up to a year, but reduced to 75% of your wage. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 30, 2020 15:58:32 GMT
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 30, 2020 16:01:35 GMT
Bet the poor bugger who had the placebo was gutted... Joking apart, I do find placebo tests a bit disturbing, it's sort of like playing god. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 30, 2020 16:20:48 GMT
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Post by hcstokie on Nov 30, 2020 16:22:45 GMT
I don’t think it will come to that. The lawyers will be queuing up to file a data protection and discrimination lawsuit against the first business that requests a customers medical history in order to let them into the store. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 30, 2020 16:36:29 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 30, 2020 16:42:15 GMT
Good to see my area down in the 200's  |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 30, 2020 16:45:55 GMT
Not directly Covid related, but absolutely huge news coming out in the world of AI today. DeepMind AI has successfully predicted the structure of proteins to atom width degree of accuracy based on just the amino acid sequence alone. This is like being able to predict how 500 random bits of lego will form together to form a structure based on how you have lined them up. This has massive ramifications for things like drug development, with things like this we will be able to feasibly predict how proteins go wrong in disease structurally , and design novel compounds and drugs accordingly to try and reverse these changes. Aberrant protein folding is a massive cause of neurodegenerative and cancer conditions but is basically a major cause of disease in a variety of contexts. We can now predict what a very tiny mutation in DNA sequence will now have on amino acid sequence and subsequently how this changes the function of a protein. They are now starting work with some parasitic diseases where the parasites evade the immune system by changing their protein coats. Amazing stuff. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/11/30/alphabets-deepmind-achieves-historic-new-milestone-in-ai-based-protein-structure-prediction/amp/ |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 30, 2020 16:49:39 GMT
Good to see my area down in the 200's Where’s that mate? |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 30, 2020 17:02:59 GMT
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Post by Pedropotter on Nov 30, 2020 17:09:44 GMT
Not directly Covid related, but absolutely huge news coming out in the world of AI today. DeepMind AI has successfully predicted the structure of proteins to atom width degree of accuracy based on just the amino acid sequence alone. This is like being able to predict how 500 random bits of lego will form together to form a structure based on how you have lined them up. This has massive ramifications for things like drug development, with things like this we will be able to feasibly predict how proteins go wrong in disease structurally , and design novel compounds and drugs accordingly to try and reverse these changes. Aberrant protein folding is a massive cause of neurodegenerative and cancer conditions but is basically a major cause of disease in a variety of contexts. We can now predict what a very tiny mutation in DNA sequence will now have on amino acid sequence and subsequently how this changes the function of a protein. They are now starting work with some parasitic diseases where the parasites evade the immune system by changing their protein coats. Amazing stuff. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/11/30/alphabets-deepmind-achieves-historic-new-milestone-in-ai-based-protein-structure-prediction/amp/That sounds incredible. I haven't got a bloody clue what you are on about, but it really does sound amazing! |
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Post by Northy on Nov 30, 2020 17:14:34 GMT
Good to see my area down in the 200's Where’s that mate? Cheshire west; Winsford and Chester had been keeping our average up high, last week part of Chester was nearly 1000 cases per 100,000 and part of Winsford not far behind, Winsford has dripped now but Chester still fairly high |
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Post by Gods on Nov 30, 2020 17:23:48 GMT
I don’t think it will come to that. The lawyers will be queuing up to file a data protection and discrimination lawsuit against the first business that requests a customers medical history in order to let them into the store. Does it fundamentally differ from say how airlines can refuse passage to anyone wishing to board a flight drunk on the premise they may be a danger to other passengers? No one will want to sit in a confined space for 13 hours down to Singapore sat next to some herbert blowing neat covid out of every orifice since he has refused a vaccine will they? To anyone who does I'd say 'you first' and pick another airline. |
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