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Post by riverman on Nov 25, 2020 11:03:13 GMT
Most of my family are of the 6 fingered variety. A couple of my aunt's neighbours have it in Biddle Moor. My folks are in the sticks between Endon and Lask Edge - not sure they'll bother getting a test though. What is the point if you don't have symptoms and you're not mixing with anyone. Not forgetting your prize for getting tested is your or other peoples business being shut down when they up your tier because thousands more people have been to get tested than in other areas. Try telling that to our thick council and MPs. They are urging the government not to put us in tier 3 then at the same time asking everyone to take a test. You really couldn't make it up!🙄
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 25, 2020 11:07:01 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. There's a difference between a sniffle and the flu, or a really bad cold though. How many times have you seen somebody rock up at work dead on their feet coughing and sneezing everywhere and passing it around the whole team. Just stay at home like he says, and don't soldier on infecting everyone around you. Its a tricky one but where do you draw the line between a bad cold/flu and merely a cold? - you'd be picking up everybody with a runny nose, tickly cough etc as well as the people with more extreme symptoms.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 25, 2020 11:08:55 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers. They'd probably outsource the testing to private companies. The usual suspects basically who can then continually feed from the public trough.
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Post by riverman on Nov 25, 2020 11:12:40 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. There's a difference between a sniffle and the flu, or a really bad cold though. How many times have you seen somebody rock up at work dead on their feet coughing and sneezing everywhere and passing it around the whole team. Just stay at home like he says, and don't soldier on infecting everyone around you. Would you be willing to pay my wages?
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Post by drfootball on Nov 25, 2020 11:19:44 GMT
There's a difference between a sniffle and the flu, or a really bad cold though. How many times have you seen somebody rock up at work dead on their feet coughing and sneezing everywhere and passing it around the whole team. Just stay at home like he says, and don't soldier on infecting everyone around you. Would you be willing to pay my wages? Exactly ! SSP would barely cover my weekly shopping bill. It`s a case of being able to afford to stay at home.
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 25, 2020 11:38:18 GMT
Are the nodding dogs looking forward to their Christmas Dinner with all their family because the government deem it safe?
Covid needs a rest from all the ripping through grannies for a week.
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Post by franklin on Nov 25, 2020 11:52:34 GMT
Are the nodding dogs looking forward to their Christmas Dinner with all their family because the government deem it safe? Covid needs a rest from all the ripping through grannies for a week. They not deemed anything safe have they, they are giving people the opportunity if they wish to meet for Christmas. Its not compulsory you're free to spend it on your own if you wish. I'll chose to spend the day with people I've not visited for most of the year but being responsible while doing so. Edit: but I would have met up at our house regardless as would millions of others.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 25, 2020 11:59:49 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers. Of course it makes money. It's shifting public money into private hands.
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2020 12:05:03 GMT
How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers. Of course it makes money. It's shifting public money into private hands. The criticism was of the Government, that's spending money not making money, a tax rise for example would be making money in this context. As a nation we are flat broke, and will spend the next 10 years trying to pay down our debt, in that sense we need any further expenditure like a hole in the head.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 25, 2020 12:17:52 GMT
Of course it makes money. It's shifting public money into private hands. The criticism was of the Government, that's spending money not making money, a tax rise for example would be making money in this context. As a nation we are flat broke, and will spend the next 10 years trying to pay down our debt, in that sense we need any further expenditure like a hole in the head. I understand. But the government will always claw it from the public. This is why the NHS will syphon more money into private hands and profit them, regardless of who, what or or how many it treats, and no matter how much it wastes on overpriced infrastructure and treatments. The only thing that it will affect is the standard of service when required by the public who stump up the cash. In essence, it's one big money laundering operation. Once people grasp this then many things make more sense. As a result, sometimes I think it would be better disbanded and only left for life saving treatment. And for the rest, people should pay for what is needed at more competitively priced walk-in private clinics.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Nov 25, 2020 12:54:55 GMT
How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers. I follow a few interesting Twatter accounts and this tweet peaked my interest. As plans for public health and climate go, I think this is ace and would love to know if they figures are true or trueish. It's 'piqued' Bayern, which means to 'arouse' or 'provoke'. Nothing to do with the top of mountains!
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Post by butlerstbob on Nov 25, 2020 12:55:52 GMT
The total population of cellarhead is just under 3200 people god knows how it's a hot spot... I smell a rat! Maybe the council 1 want the cash for each test and 2 would love us to be in tier 3 as they will get government money!?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2020 12:56:34 GMT
I follow a few interesting Twatter accounts and this tweet peaked my interest. As plans for public health and climate go, I think this is ace and would love to know if they figures are true or trueish. It's 'piqued' Bayern, which means to 'arouse' or 'provoke'. Nothing to do with the top of mountains! Never knew that.
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Post by danceswithclams on Nov 25, 2020 13:16:27 GMT
Ignore Monkfish Bayern lad - it's 'peaked'.
Just like former Barcelona and Man Utd centreback, Gerard Peaky.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 25, 2020 13:47:55 GMT
I follow a few interesting Twatter accounts and this tweet peaked my interest. As plans for public health and climate go, I think this is ace and would love to know if they figures are true or trueish. It's 'piqued' Bayern, which means to 'arouse' or 'provoke'. Nothing to do with the top of mountains! Doesn’t Bayern have a fit of peak every time we discuss Lee Gregory 😎
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 25, 2020 14:22:05 GMT
The total population of cellarhead is just under 3200 people god knows how it's a hot spot... I smell a rat! Maybe the council 1 want the cash for each test and 2 would love us to be in tier 3 as they will get government money!? This is disgusting, telling perfectly healthy people to get a test they don’t need which has a chance of returning a false positive which is then added to the numbers of total cases, then meaning yet more misery and restrictions heaped on an area that was struggling long before the economic nuke that Johnson and his dickhead cronies have detonated. On what fucking planet can instructing healthy people to get a test on the whim that they “might” have something be construed as a safety measure? Beyond description.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 14:27:03 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 14:29:34 GMT
There's a difference between a sniffle and the flu, or a really bad cold though. How many times have you seen somebody rock up at work dead on their feet coughing and sneezing everywhere and passing it around the whole team. Just stay at home like he says, and don't soldier on infecting everyone around you. Would you be willing to pay my wages? Would you be willing to pay everybody's wages who has to go off after you spread germs about ?
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 14:31:25 GMT
There's a difference between a sniffle and the flu, or a really bad cold though. How many times have you seen somebody rock up at work dead on their feet coughing and sneezing everywhere and passing it around the whole team. Just stay at home like he says, and don't soldier on infecting everyone around you. Its a tricky one but where do you draw the line between a bad cold/flu and merely a cold? - you'd be picking up everybody with a runny nose, tickly cough etc as well as the people with more extreme symptoms. If you've ever had flu you know about it and wouldn't be able to go to work. A really bad cold is the headaches, shivers, eyes running, constantly blowing humungous amount of snot from your nose, a sniffle well, is just a sniffle.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 25, 2020 14:35:24 GMT
Would you be willing to pay my wages? Would you be willing to pay everybody's wages who has to go off after you spread germs about ? Most employers in this country demonise absenteeism of any kind, most people live paycheck to paycheck and cannot risk anything that may land them out of a job including time off sick. This isn’t an employee problem it’s an employer problem, employees are made to feel like shit if they have to have time off, it shouldn’t be allowed.
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 14:35:29 GMT
The total population of cellarhead is just under 3200 people god knows how it's a hot spot... I smell a rat! Maybe the council 1 want the cash for each test and 2 would love us to be in tier 3 as they will get government money!? This is disgusting, telling perfectly healthy people to get a test they don’t need which has a chance of returning a false positive which is then added to the numbers of total cases, then meaning yet more misery and restrictions heaped on an area that was struggling long before the economic nuke that Johnson and his dickhead cronies have detonated. On what fucking planet can instructing healthy people to get a test on the whim that they “might” have something be construed as a safety measure? Beyond description. Maybe similar to the mass testing in Liverpool which has seen the cases drop rapidly and probably enable them to come out in a Tier 2 instead of Tier 3. 915 people with no symptoms have had a positive test, this testing is going on alongside people who have symptoms and booked into the system. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsliverpool/latest-mass-testing-results-in-third-week-of-liverpool-operation/ar-BB1bkKOc
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Post by chad on Nov 25, 2020 14:44:03 GMT
The total population of cellarhead is just under 3200 people god knows how it's a hot spot... I smell a rat! Maybe the council 1 want the cash for each test and 2 would love us to be in tier 3 as they will get government money!? This is disgusting, telling perfectly healthy people to get a test they don’t need which has a chance of returning a false positive which is then added to the numbers of total cases, then meaning yet more misery and restrictions heaped on an area that was struggling long before the economic nuke that Johnson and his dickhead cronies have detonated. On what fucking planet can instructing healthy people to get a test on the whim that they “might” have something be construed as a safety measure? Beyond description. They aren’t being instructed they are being urged. Just like you I suppose would urge them not to I’m sure the locals will make up their own minds as so they should
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Post by tuum on Nov 25, 2020 14:47:58 GMT
Has anyone on here paid for a private Covid-19 test and Fit to Fly Cert? If so, how much did it cost? Any recommendations? There are loads advertised ranging from £120-£250 but also need to check turnaround times and whether they are accredited and the test is the right one. I am currently in Europe and plan to return to UK in about 4 weeks time before leaving again in early Jan. I probably need 2 tests. 1 on arrival in the UK if quarantine status has not been lifted and one 3 days before I leave in Jan (unless I go to Estonia or Antigua etc).
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Post by riverman on Nov 25, 2020 14:51:28 GMT
Would you be willing to pay my wages? Would you be willing to pay everybody's wages who has to go off after you spread germs about ? I'm not the one dictating they should have time off when they won't get paid.
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Post by riverman on Nov 25, 2020 14:54:49 GMT
Would you be willing to pay everybody's wages who has to go off after you spread germs about ? Most employers in this country demonise absenteeism of any kind, most people live paycheck to paycheck and cannot risk anything that may land them out of a job including time off sick. This isn’t an employee problem it’s an employer problem, employees are made to feel like shit if they have to have time off, it shouldn’t be allowed. It would be interesting to see how much the amount of sick days would drop if all those who enjoy full paid sick leave suddenly lost that entitlement.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 25, 2020 14:59:52 GMT
“Effectively what this will be doing is throwing fuel on the Covid fire. I think it will definitely lead to increased transmission. It is likely to lead to a third wave of infection, with hospitals being overrun, and more unnecessary deaths,” Prof Andrew Hayward told BBC Two’s Newsnight programme.
“We are still in a country where we have got high levels of infection with Covid, particularly in young people. Bringing them together for hours, let alone days, with elderly relatives, I think, is a recipe for regret for many families. With the vaccine on the way, if we are not very careful over Christmas we are really in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory on this one."GuardianThe above is exactly the problem I have with Sage. People take their words as gospel yet they have the luxury of merely focussing on virus suppression and don't have to concern themselves with 'minor' issues like the mental health of the population, economic damage of restrictions and the fact that people are simply going to meet regardless of whether the government allows it or not. I feel the government's approach is reasonable with BoJo, Drakeford etc stating today that although meeting up is allowed, people shouldn't treat it as a free for all and should be taking sensible precautions especially when it comes to elderly relatives. Yes it is likely to cause a rise in cases in January but its unavoidable in my opinion as a sizeable chuck of the population simply wouldn't comply.
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 15:00:23 GMT
How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers. I follow a few interesting Twatter accounts and this tweet peaked my interest. As plans for public health and climate go, I think this is ace and would love to know if they figures are true or trueish. Not sure about the 19billion as this country figures are about £9billion wasted on lifestyle choices, and we have a far greater population. But it's obvious when you go there, they are a very healthy looking nation, not a lot of fatties about (apart from tourists) they're the tallest people on average in the world, good diets and exercise for this. Something we should be encouraging, especially with all these new houses to be built, the cycling infrastructure should be of paramount to get cars off the roads, when I was over there with work last year and went for a run out into suburbs, it's well catered for. www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/aug/19/dutch-take-cycling-to-a-new-level-with-worlds-biggest-bike-parkwww.bikemap.net/en/l/2750405/www.hollandcyclingroutes.com/online-cycle-route-planner
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 15:02:01 GMT
Would you be willing to pay everybody's wages who has to go off after you spread germs about ? I'm not the one dictating they should have time off when they won't get paid. but you are hinting you'd go in as you wouldn't get paid Most companies allow 3 days sick without getting paid.
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 15:05:13 GMT
Would you be willing to pay everybody's wages who has to go off after you spread germs about ? Most employers in this country demonise absenteeism of any kind, most people live paycheck to paycheck and cannot risk anything that may land them out of a job including time off sick. This isn’t an employee problem it’s an employer problem, employees are made to feel like shit if they have to have time off, it shouldn’t be allowed. In some places that may be the case, in lots of places it isn't, hopefully with this new testing target coming in things may change.
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Post by franklin on Nov 25, 2020 15:11:03 GMT
Would you be willing to pay everybody's wages who has to go off after you spread germs about ? Most employers in this country demonise absenteeism of any kind, most people live paycheck to paycheck and cannot risk anything that may land them out of a job including time off sick. This isn’t an employee problem it’s an employer problem, employees are made to feel like shit if they have to have time off, it shouldn’t be allowed. Its a bizarre conundrum my previous employers had specific rules about attending work with illnesses that could be spread and you could be disciplined by doing so. But as you say if you did have time off you were subject to suspicion and meetings with HR to question why you were off.The Bradford score was always a shit calculation imho.
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