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Post by musik on Nov 25, 2020 4:33:57 GMT
Avoid dry places.
That's what they're on about here these days. Like the drying room.
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Post by duckling on Nov 25, 2020 4:59:18 GMT
Good news about a vaccine. The Pfizer version is on schedule to be distributed next month in the United States. They are only releasing it at 4 hospitals and only to healthcare workers who have contact with Covid patients. They don't have enough doses to give it to more people.
If that goes well, healthcare workers and nursing home residents throughout the United States could have it early next year. Then it would be distributed by age and a few other criteria, but mostly age. Young people probably wouldn't get it until 2022, although I'm sure rich people will find a way to jump the queue.
One problem with the Pfizer vaccine is that the vaccine has to be stored at -70C. Not many hospitals have freezers that go so low, so people may have to travel a considerable distance. There are trucks with freezers that go that low, so hopefully nursing home residents wouldn't have to be transported to the hospital.
The Oxford University and Moderna vaccines don't require such low temperatures, so they are more practical if found to be as effective.
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Post by musik on Nov 25, 2020 5:35:29 GMT
Good news about a vaccine. The Pfizer version is on schedule to be distributed next month in the United States. They are only releasing it at 4 hospitals and only to healthcare workers who have contact with Covid patients. They don't have enough doses to give it to more people. If that goes well, healthcare workers and nursing home residents throughout the United States could have it early next year. Then it would be distributed by age and a few other criteria, but mostly age. Young people probably wouldn't get it until 2022, although I'm sure rich people will find a way to jump the queue. One problem with the Pfizer vaccine is that the vaccine has to be stored at -70C. Not many hospitals have freezers that go so low, so people may have to travel a considerable distance. There are trucks with freezers that go that low, so hopefully nursing home residents wouldn't have to be transported to the hospital. The Oxford University and Moderna vaccines don't require such low temperatures, so they are more practical if found to be as effective. The mentioned "Oxford University vaccine" is the Astra Zeneca vaccine, or? I hope the health clinic can tell in advance what vaccine they provide. Sweden have ordered 4 different vaccines. Have no idea what the vaccination will cost or if it's free, but the one's with the money can get it faster or pick the one they like the most, as always here nowadays.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 25, 2020 8:38:02 GMT
So your support bubble counts as one household then🤔 People can continue to meet people outside their Christmas bubble outdoors according to the rules in the tier where they live Children under the age of 18 whose parents do not live together may be part of both parents' Christmas bubbles Existing support bubbles count as one household towards the three household limit People are allowed to form a different Christmas bubble from the people they live with normally - they can choose to stay with different people for this period If a care home resident is able to leave their home, they can form a bubble with one other household - but should not form a three-household bubble. However, visits out of care homes should only be considered for residents of working age because of the risks Students are considered to be part of the household to which they have returned So does that mean Boris can see all his kids over Christmas without breaking the rules or not?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 8:38:33 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 8:39:54 GMT
So your support bubble counts as one household then🤔 People can continue to meet people outside their Christmas bubble outdoors according to the rules in the tier where they live Children under the age of 18 whose parents do not live together may be part of both parents' Christmas bubbles Existing support bubbles count as one household towards the three household limit People are allowed to form a different Christmas bubble from the people they live with normally - they can choose to stay with different people for this period If a care home resident is able to leave their home, they can form a bubble with one other household - but should not form a three-household bubble. However, visits out of care homes should only be considered for residents of working age because of the risks Students are considered to be part of the household to which they have returned So does that mean Boris can see all his kids over Christmas without breaking the rules or not? How many does he have🤔
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 25, 2020 8:44:38 GMT
Is anyone planning to ski this winter? We're booked for the French Alps in March but I see Austria and France have just closed their ski resorts following covid-19 spreads. This vaccine can't come too soon. And later in this week's edition of 'First World Problems" we'll be discussing how Brexit may affect the supplies of quinoa to Waitrose.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 25, 2020 8:48:20 GMT
So does that mean Boris can see all his kids over Christmas without breaking the rules or not? How many does he have🤔 Seven or eight? Anyway - according to the rules my in laws can be in your Christmas bubble provided they visited Derbyshire in the past year - so that day trip to Bakewell in July proved to be a good investment. They'll arrive on the 23rd. No rush to send them back.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 8:50:53 GMT
Seven or eight? Anyway - according to the rules my in laws can be in your Christmas bubble provided they visited Derbyshire in the past year - so that day trip to Bakewell in July proved to be a good investment. They'll arrive on the 23rd. No rush to send them back. 😄I’m sure you’ll look forward to their visit Christmas Day and spending some time with them🤣 How’s the old man by the way?
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2020 8:51:11 GMT
Is anyone planning to ski this winter? We're booked for the French Alps in March but I see Austria and France have just closed their ski resorts following covid-19 spreads. This vaccine can't come too soon. And later in this week's edition of 'First World Problems" we'll be discussing how Brexit may affect the supplies of quinoa to Waitrose. Yes, this blasted virus has certainly brought great hardship to some of us :-)
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 25, 2020 8:58:02 GMT
Seven or eight? Anyway - according to the rules my in laws can be in your Christmas bubble provided they visited Derbyshire in the past year - so that day trip to Bakewell in July proved to be a good investment. They'll arrive on the 23rd. No rush to send them back. 😄I’m sure you’ll look forward to their visit Christmas Day and spending some time with them🤣 How’s the old man by the way? He's good thanks. The virus has given him a new lease of life - he's discovered a whole new layer of things to moan about!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 8:59:05 GMT
😄I’m sure you’ll look forward to their visit Christmas Day and spending some time with them🤣 How’s the old man by the way? He's good thanks. The virus has given him a new lease of life - he's discovered a whole new layer of things to moan about! Don’t forget we all turn into our parents one day😄
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2020 9:00:10 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 25, 2020 9:03:00 GMT
He's good thanks. The virus has given him a new lease of life - he's discovered a whole new layer of things to moan about! Don’t forget we all turn into our parents one day😄 Some sooner than others - my wife did it the day after we got married.
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 25, 2020 9:13:59 GMT
Most of my family are of the 6 fingered variety. A couple of my aunt's neighbours have it in Biddle Moor. My folks are in the sticks between Endon and Lask Edge - not sure they'll bother getting a test though. What is the point if you don't have symptoms and you're not mixing with anyone.
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2020 9:38:24 GMT
On an adjacent note you just know there will shortly be shock / horror / scandal folks acquiring a vaccine online and queue jumping and perhaps putting themselves at risk with unscrupulous vendors offering what proves tk be little more than salt water in a syringe.
I fancy this will be a bigger story than anything the anti-vacc mob can drum up.
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 25, 2020 9:41:22 GMT
Most of my family are of the 6 fingered variety. A couple of my aunt's neighbours have it in Biddle Moor. My folks are in the sticks between Endon and Lask Edge - not sure they'll bother getting a test though. What is the point if you don't have symptoms and you're not mixing with anyone. Not forgetting your prize for getting tested is your or other peoples business being shut down when they up your tier because thousands more people have been to get tested than in other areas.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 25, 2020 9:56:47 GMT
So your support bubble counts as one household then🤔 People can continue to meet people outside their Christmas bubble outdoors according to the rules in the tier where they live Children under the age of 18 whose parents do not live together may be part of both parents' Christmas bubbles Existing support bubbles count as one household towards the three household limit People are allowed to form a different Christmas bubble from the people they live with normally - they can choose to stay with different people for this period If a care home resident is able to leave their home, they can form a bubble with one other household - but should not form a three-household bubble. However, visits out of care homes should only be considered for residents of working age because of the risks Students are considered to be part of the household to which they have returned So does that mean Boris can see all his kids over Christmas without breaking the rules or not? Probably not as first he'd have to remember them all and second it would involve more than 3 households.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 25, 2020 10:07:02 GMT
So does that mean Boris can see all his kids over Christmas without breaking the rules or not? Probably not as first he'd have to remember them all and second it would involve more than 3 households. It was a rhetorical question old chap!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 25, 2020 10:07:18 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 25, 2020 10:11:44 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population.
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2020 10:12:53 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. Of course it is. The sooner this psychopath f*cks off, the better.
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Nov 25, 2020 10:14:46 GMT
If Stoke goes into tier 3 which looks almost certain, how long is it before they review it again?
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 25, 2020 10:17:01 GMT
If Stoke goes into tier 3 which looks almost certain, how long is it before they review it again? I'd imagine you can forget about doing anything in December if that's the case and they'd review after the relaxation at best.
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2020 10:35:26 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2020 10:38:52 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers. I follow a few interesting Twatter accounts and this tweet peaked my interest. As plans for public health and climate go, I think this is ace and would love to know if they figures are true or trueish.
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 25, 2020 10:39:05 GMT
If Stoke goes into tier 3 which looks almost certain, how long is it before they review it again? I Read somewhere that it's every 2 weeks the Tiers get reviewed.
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 10:42:09 GMT
This sounds a bit bizarre - most of the work force would be off work at some point over winter (and probably several times) if we isolated every time we got a sniffle. I'm guessing its more about the money that could be made from continually testing the population. There's a difference between a sniffle and the flu, or a really bad cold though. How many times have you seen somebody rock up at work dead on their feet coughing and sneezing everywhere and passing it around the whole team. Just stay at home like he says, and don't soldier on infecting everyone around you.
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 25, 2020 10:55:39 GMT
How would this 'make money'? Would it not be a cost to the tax payer and there is already a 2 trillion pound hole in the public finances? Granted a couple of pharmaceutical companies would benefit but that's a relative irrelevance in the grander scheme of it. I suppose you could make the argument it may save the NHS money in treating fewer flu sufferers. I follow a few interesting Twatter accounts and this tweet peaked my interest. As plans for public health and climate go, I think this is ace and would love to know if they figures are true or trueish. The Netherlands is also pan flat though, so it wouldn't work everywhere in this country. There's a reason you don't see many bikes with only 3 gears here, but traditionally that's the most common type of bike the Dutch ride. Plus their urban population is higher than ours so we have comparatively longer commutes. I try to commute a couple of times a week in lighter months, but at 24 miles each way it's not for everyone (yes, I'm a lycra-wearing humble-bragging twat - wanna fight about it). I can definitely believe those figures are true though, when you consider that around 12% of the NHS budget is currently spent on diabetes treatments. I'd imagine that figure is a lot less in The Netherlands, and also that they'd spend less on heart problems. Cardiovascular problems account for 1/4 of all deaths in the UK and cost around £7 billion per year - www.england.nhs.uk/blog/the-long-term-plan-is-a-game-changer/
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2020 11:00:34 GMT
I follow a few interesting Twatter accounts and this tweet peaked my interest. As plans for public health and climate go, I think this is ace and would love to know if they figures are true or trueish. The Netherlands is also pan flat though, so it wouldn't work everywhere in this country. There's a reason you don't see many bikes with only 3 gears here, but traditionally that's the most common type of bike the Dutch ride. Plus their urban population is higher than ours so we have comparatively longer commutes. I try to commute a couple of times a week in lighter months, but at 24 miles each way it's not for everyone (yes, I'm a lycra-wearing humble-bragging twat - wanna fight about it). I can definitely believe those figures are true though, when you consider that around 12% of the NHS budget is currently spent on diabetes treatments. I'd imagine that figure is a lot less in The Netherlands, and also that they'd spend less on heart problems. Cardiovascular problems account for 1/4 of all deaths in the UK and cost around £7 billion per year - www.england.nhs.uk/blog/the-long-term-plan-is-a-game-changer/There's no reason why it couldn't be a thing in most cities though. And in the bigger cities I think it would work a treat tbh. But the lanes have to be safe. I wouldn't ride a bike around Stoke as it is. But if there was protected lanes then I would. Good point re commutes, integrated public transport? Buy a train ticket and get a community bike with it? It's a massive change for this country but also with this account he's shown pictures of Amsterdam from the 60's and 70's and it was a car infested mess. It hasn't always been like it is now. They chose to change.
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