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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 23, 2020 22:42:11 GMT
Watching the PM. 'Squeeze the Disease' and 'Build Back Better' the new 'Get Brexit Done' Tis the season to be jolly careful Yes that was particularly awful! Who writes this stuff? Squeeze the disease - jeez Louise...
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Post by mutters on Nov 23, 2020 22:48:46 GMT
I've lost track of it all recently. To recap, when can we expect the 4,000 deaths per day? Does that start tomorrow? Its all a crock of shit. How many unemployed as a result of lockdowns? 200k+, and still rising. How many businesses are collapsing, or have completely folded? How many families struggling to pay bills and put food on the table? How many people out there with mental health shot to pieces? Suicides going through the roof. Cancer deaths rising because treatments being delayed and early diagnosis being missed. Deaths from other diseases going up as everyone seems to think we should just be focusing on covid, and to hell with everything else. Where do you draw the line? We don't need yet more draconian measures. You can't bury your head in the sand and clamour for eternal, zero tolerance lockdowns and ignore all the other chronic repercussions that causes in all other areas of life. We need to move forward with a logical balance, that allows the economy to at least survive (ideally thrive) and give people a chance to get on with their lives, whilst minimising the spread with appropriate measures. Well said, very similar to my post from 3 weeks ago, I think : oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6955460/thread
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Post by musik on Nov 23, 2020 22:49:34 GMT
Did Zlatan and Ronaldo really have Corona?
I haven't seen it myself when Ronaldo did some exercises at home, according to some article, but I saw when Zlatan was running on a treadmill on instagram.
Did their doctors really approve to this? Aren't you supposed to only rest when having an infection, any infection? Or is the Corona virus of a very special kind, where it's better to ventilate the lungs?
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Post by mutters on Nov 23, 2020 23:06:47 GMT
I've lost track of it all recently. To recap, when can we expect the 4,000 deaths per day? Does that start tomorrow? Its all a crock of shit. How many unemployed as a result of lockdowns? 200k+, and still rising. How many businesses are collapsing, or have completely folded? How many families struggling to pay bills and put food on the table? How many people out there with mental health shot to pieces? Suicides going through the roof. Cancer deaths rising because treatments being delayed and early diagnosis being missed. Deaths from other diseases going up as everyone seems to think we should just be focusing on covid, and to hell with everything else. Where do you draw the line? We don't need yet more draconian measures. You can't bury your head in the sand and clamour for eternal, zero tolerance lockdowns and ignore all the other chronic repercussions that causes in all other areas of life. We need to move forward with a logical balance, that allows the economy to at least survive (ideally thrive) and give people a chance to get on with their lives, whilst minimising the spread with appropriate measures. It doesn't take the tiresome label of conspiracy theorist (yawn) to see the total destruction for those small and independent businesses. Just walk down the high street and open your fucking eyes. I wonder if we would have had the endless lockdowns if all these corporations were included, and the UK equivalents? And these monsters are going to clean up again at Christmas, whilst independent business is deprived once again of a chance to claw something back. And the 'alcohol with food only' is a direct assault on proper boozers, which are the fabric of this country, and which authority hate. You tell me what that has got to do with a fucking virus? Like virtually every other gaslighting lockdown, crock of shit rule. What absolute bullshit. And leftists seem to be the ones lapping it up the most. Have a look at B&M for something similar Profits up 100% and £250M special dividend taken offshore, from memory I am sure there will be others, not wishing to single out B&M
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2020 23:15:32 GMT
Lots of bots You wouldn't put it past the current government to be behind this. Anti vaxxers need to get in the fucking bin Tbf.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 23, 2020 23:22:24 GMT
Tis the season to be jolly careful Yes that was particularly awful! Who writes this stuff? Squeeze the disease - jeez Louise... It's seems many people have been hoodwinked during the year to believe that their rights and freedoms come from government. They don't. People reduced to an infantilised state. And the things that you normally did now need to be negotiated or earned. And the naivety of those that think this will return to its previous state without a fight. This is a war against humanity and what it means to be human. And folk like Johnson should be on trial. Not all of us are happy to live in a 'show me your papers' world. Forever on bail. Incapable of being allowed to make their own decisions and take their own risks. Like every other cold and flu in history. How does the human race survive? I'm absolutely astounded that folk have allowed it to come to this stage. Kept in line by fear and Orwellian insults of 'selfish', 'idiot', 'conspiracy theory' from the state serf Stasi. Complying with mandates only leads to more mandates. 339 people under the age of 65, without other significant health conditions, have died, having tested positive with a dodgy test within 28 days. Likely a majority from accidents or unrelated things, which explains the no underlying conditions. Carry on with this shit if you like, but I'm out. I was out months ago.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 23, 2020 23:30:34 GMT
Yes that was particularly awful! Who writes this stuff? Squeeze the disease - jeez Louise... It's seems many people have been hoodwinked during the year to believe that their rights and freedoms come from government. They don't. People reduced to an infantilised state. And the things that you normally did now need to be negotiated or earned. And the naivety of those that think this will return to its previous state without a fight. This is a war against humanity and what it means to be human. And folk like Johnson should be on trial. Not all of us are happy to live in a 'show me your papers' world. Forever on bail. Incapable of being allowed to make their own decisions and take their own risks. I'm absolutely astounded that folk have allowed it to come to this stage. Kept in line by fear and Orwellian insults of 'selfish', 'idiot', 'conspiracy theory' from the state serf Stasi. Complying with mandates only leads to more mandates. 339 people under the age of 65, without other significant health conditions, have died, having tested positive with a dodgy test within 28 days. Likely a majority from accidents or unrelated things, which explains the no underlying conditions. Carry on with this shit if you like, but I'm out. I was out months ago. You do you, boss. We can let the grown-ups get on with dealing with issue in hand.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 23, 2020 23:35:45 GMT
It's seems many people have been hoodwinked during the year to believe that their rights and freedoms come from government. They don't. People reduced to an infantilised state. And the things that you normally did now need to be negotiated or earned. And the naivety of those that think this will return to its previous state without a fight. This is a war against humanity and what it means to be human. And folk like Johnson should be on trial. Not all of us are happy to live in a 'show me your papers' world. Forever on bail. Incapable of being allowed to make their own decisions and take their own risks. I'm absolutely astounded that folk have allowed it to come to this stage. Kept in line by fear and Orwellian insults of 'selfish', 'idiot', 'conspiracy theory' from the state serf Stasi. Complying with mandates only leads to more mandates. 339 people under the age of 65, without other significant health conditions, have died, having tested positive with a dodgy test within 28 days. Likely a majority from accidents or unrelated things, which explains the no underlying conditions. Carry on with this shit if you like, but I'm out. I was out months ago. You do you, boss. We can let the grown-ups get on with dealing with issue in hand. You mean winter? Good luck. Let me know when you've eradicated death. You are not behaving like a grown-up. You are waiting to be told what to do. Well, some of us can make our own decisions, are not affected by bogeyman stories or unfounded guilt, and have responsibility to care for those around them. This is what drives humanity. Human life worth living will die if this continues. Fundamental, negative and disturbing changes to the human psyche have taken place, orchestrated by behaviourial insights teams and the like. Not all of us are under their spells.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 23, 2020 23:52:06 GMT
You do you, boss. We can let the grown-ups get on with dealing with issue in hand. You mean winter? Good luck. Let me know when you've eradicated death. Winter? No way, that real life phenomenon can wait. The 'Fake News' media, 5G death rays, Hillary Clinton and the plandemic need fixing first... Im fully armed with YouTube subscriptions Bacofoil and David Icke's autobiography.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2020 23:53:05 GMT
I've lost track of it all recently. To recap, when can we expect the 4,000 deaths per day? Does that start tomorrow? Its all a crock of shit. How many unemployed as a result of lockdowns? 200k+, and still rising. How many businesses are collapsing, or have completely folded? How many families struggling to pay bills and put food on the table? How many people out there with mental health shot to pieces? Suicides going through the roof. Cancer deaths rising because treatments being delayed and early diagnosis being missed. Deaths from other diseases going up as everyone seems to think we should just be focusing on covid, and to hell with everything else. Where do you draw the line? We don't need yet more draconian measures. You can't bury your head in the sand and clamour for eternal, zero tolerance lockdowns and ignore all the other chronic repercussions that causes in all other areas of life. We need to move forward with a logical balance, that allows the economy to at least survive (ideally thrive) and give people a chance to get on with their lives, whilst minimising the spread with appropriate measures. It doesn't take the tiresome label of conspiracy theorist (yawn) to see the total destruction for those small and independent businesses. Just walk down the high street and open your fucking eyes. I wonder if we would have had the endless lockdowns if all these corporations were included, and the UK equivalents? And these monsters are going to clean up again at Christmas, whilst independent business is deprived once again of a chance to claw something back. And the 'alcohol with food only' is a direct assault on proper boozers, which are the fabric of this country, and which authority hate. You tell me what that has got to do with a fucking virus? Like virtually every other gaslighting lockdown, crock of shit rule. What absolute bullshit. And leftists seem to be the ones lapping it up the most. That's not conspiracy or great reset though is it? That's capitalism, pure and simple.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 24, 2020 0:08:03 GMT
It doesn't take the tiresome label of conspiracy theorist (yawn) to see the total destruction for those small and independent businesses. Just walk down the high street and open your fucking eyes. I wonder if we would have had the endless lockdowns if all these corporations were included, and the UK equivalents? And these monsters are going to clean up again at Christmas, whilst independent business is deprived once again of a chance to claw something back. And the 'alcohol with food only' is a direct assault on proper boozers, which are the fabric of this country, and which authority hate. You tell me what that has got to do with a fucking virus? Like virtually every other gaslighting lockdown, crock of shit rule. What absolute bullshit. And leftists seem to be the ones lapping it up the most. That's not conspiracy or great reset though is it? That's capitalism, pure and simple. I would say it's way beyond capitalism. It's corporatism, which is another political entity in itself. And, as you mention it, regards the WEF great reset, economists who've tried to decipher the detail see the biggest hoovering up of wealth ever known, into the grip of these major globalist corporations.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 24, 2020 0:15:01 GMT
Lots of people/companies with their snouts buried in the trough from this. Many who will be more than happy for this to drag on as long as possible.
A dream scenario for big pharmaceuticals too - fast tracked vaccines with no worries about being liable if any medium/long term side effects crop up, and a population so sick of being locked up that they'll consider taking anything.
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Post by tmp on Nov 24, 2020 0:21:03 GMT
Please will people see what is happening here. There has been a huge creation of debt by our government. It will need to be paid back even though the money has been created out of the ether or the magic money tree which has always existed. Most “money” is created by the banks by lending money which they create by giving loans or mortgages. People in work will need to pay it back. They will become poorer. Those on furlough will mostly be made redundant.
The independent businesses are teetering on the edge. Please support them if you can.
See your friends. Talk. Don’t fall out and decide what is best.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 24, 2020 0:35:29 GMT
Latest data for Stoke on Trent updated today :
Down 15% to 482 per 100k in a week after 2 months of it out of control
Who says lockdowns don't work.
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 1:22:10 GMT
Did Zlatan and Ronaldo really have Corona? I haven't seen it myself when Ronaldo did some exercises at home, according to some article, but I saw when Zlatan was running on a treadmill on instagram. Did their doctors really approve to this? Aren't you supposed to only rest when having an infection, any infection? Or is the Corona virus of a very special kind, where it's better to ventilate the lungs? Or are they just part of a play? A play dictated by the more irresponsible kind of politicians.
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 1:27:50 GMT
More than 100 elementary schools in Gothenburg alone (Sweden's 2nd largest city) have covid-19 patients now. I even didn't know we had that many in Gothenburg. Not many left, I assume.
More than 93 Homes for the Elderly now have Covid-19 among the patients!! Even though they promised last time it won't happen again.
The Second Wave is obviously worse than the first one and Tegnell is expected to be replaced. He'd kind of promised in July we won't have a 2nd wave, just small local outbreaks.
They have already calculated the 3rd wave to be here in January-February. Hmm. Overlapping the 2nd wave then? The 2nd wave hasn't even peaked yet.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 24, 2020 1:32:00 GMT
You mean winter? Good luck. Let me know when you've eradicated death. Winter? No way, that real life phenomenon can wait. The 'Fake News' media, 5G death rays, Hillary Clinton and the plandemic need fixing first... Im fully armed with YouTube subscriptions Bacofoil and David Icke's autobiography. Bravo. Resorting to threadbare caricaturing when you have nothing left to offer. Mindlessly clinging to this zombie film narrative, that is simply not borne out by any data, even the fraudulent agenda-driven data. Some of us have lives to live. And will do what the human race has always done. Made their own decisions and fucking got on with it. Already getting on for a year now. How many more are you going to give? Then it will be health IDs, 'freedom' (control) passes, more checks, tests, restrictions, scare stories, diktats, dangled carrots... Not to mentioned the continued destruction of everything once known as life. And all of it is totally unwarranted. Get busy living, or get busy dying.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2020 1:45:35 GMT
Worth reading the thread.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 24, 2020 1:54:26 GMT
Winter? No way, that real life phenomenon can wait. The 'Fake News' media, 5G death rays, Hillary Clinton and the plandemic need fixing first... Im fully armed with YouTube subscriptions Bacofoil and David Icke's autobiography. Some of us have lives to live... I very much doubt it by the constant paranoid rubbish you post. I bet you'll miss the Xmas pantomimes this year. He's always behind you though so don't worry.
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 2:09:50 GMT
Worth reading the thread. I took a read through it here now, in the middle of the night ... 😴 I haven't really understood the concept of T-cells. Are you born with T-cells? Do you get them after you've been through several season flus? As I understand it, people have not the same amount of them. Can you test to see if you got them? I read a medical article in the biomedical university library here 2 years ago about the relation between t-cells and cancer. It said if you have many T-cells it's good in some situations in fighting infections, but then you are more likely to get cancer on the other hand. Like it was pre-determined and you got to have something.
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 24, 2020 6:30:59 GMT
Lots of bots You wouldn't put it past the current government to be behind this. Anti vaxxers need to get in the fucking bin Tbf. Certainly. This isn't the way though.
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 24, 2020 6:47:05 GMT
Worth reading the thread. From the thread So he thinks more than 1 in 100 who catch it die. Crazy talk.
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Post by henry on Nov 24, 2020 7:38:48 GMT
Latest data for Stoke on Trent updated today : Down 15% to 482 per 100k in a week after 2 months of it out of control Who says lockdowns don't work. You keep banging on about how selfish the people of Stoke-on-Trent are, going shopping, letting work men into their homes. You keep telling us this isn’t a lockdown, the roads are as busy as ever. Make your mind up.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 24, 2020 8:16:24 GMT
Latest data for Stoke on Trent updated today : Down 15% to 482 per 100k in a week after 2 months of it out of control Who says lockdowns don't work. You keep banging on about how selfish the people of Stoke-on-Trent are, going shopping, letting work men into their homes. You keep telling us this isn’t a lockdown, the roads are as busy as ever. Make your mind up. Lockdown as a scientific experiment doesnt produce any consistent conclusion. For every blip down there is a rise somewhere else. When the rise happens it is correlated to the "flouting rules" narrative when the drop happens is the "lockdown works" narrative. It's the worst "experiment" of all time. The multiplicity if variables is huge. Some mass testing here, a tier difference there, a community hit hard the first time, a county full of cities here, rural settings there, a workforce of manual labour here, home workers there. University towns with students registered at their home addresses in a different town. The government are busy just trying to get numbers down but to claim anything is causal in this data set is pseudoscience of the worst kind. The proponents rely on confirmation rather than refutation. Lockdown as a benefit suffers at least six of the main problems with "ignoratio elenchi" *Assertions that do not allow the logical possibility that they can be shown to be false by observation or physical experiment *Reversed burden of proof: demand that skeptics demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that a claim is false. It is impossible to prove a universal negative, so this tactic incorrectly places the burden of proof on the skeptic rather than on the claimant *Assertion of claims that a theory predicts something that it has not been shown to predict *Assertion that claims which have not been proven false must therefore be true, and vice versa *Over-reliance on testimonial, anecdotal evidence, or personal experience *Presentation of data that seems to support claims while suppressing or refusing to consider data that conflict with those claims I could go on, However anyone that claims to say the various charts have any cause or effect with regard to lockdown is kidding themselves and is just displaying their personal confirmation bias.
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 24, 2020 8:47:36 GMT
Lots of bots You wouldn't put it past the current government to be behind this. I think we need a sweep of the ones posting on here.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2020 8:51:29 GMT
You keep banging on about how selfish the people of Stoke-on-Trent are, going shopping, letting work men into their homes. You keep telling us this isn’t a lockdown, the roads are as busy as ever. Make your mind up. Lockdown as a scientific experiment doesnt produce any consistent conclusion. For every blip down there is a rise somewhere else. When the rise happens it is correlated to the "flouting rules" narrative when the drop happens is the "lockdown works" narrative. It's the worst "experiment" of all time. The multiplicity if variables is huge. Some mass testing here, a tier difference there, a community hit hard the first time, a county full of cities here, rural settings there, a workforce of manual labour here, home workers there. University towns with students registered at their home addresses in a different town. The government are busy just trying to get numbers down but to claim anything is causal in this data set is pseudoscience of the worst kind. The proponents rely on confirmation rather than refutation. Lockdown as a benefit suffers at least six of the main problems with "ignoratio elenchi" *Assertions that do not allow the logical possibility that they can be shown to be false by observation or physical experiment *Reversed burden of proof: demand that skeptics demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that a claim is false. It is impossible to prove a universal negative, so this tactic incorrectly places the burden of proof on the skeptic rather than on the claimant *Assertion of claims that a theory predicts something that it has not been shown to predict *Assertion that claims which have not been proven false must therefore be true, and vice versa *Over-reliance on testimonial, anecdotal evidence, or personal experience *Presentation of data that seems to support claims while suppressing or refusing to consider data that conflict with those claims I could go on, However anyone that claims to say the various charts have any cause or effect with regard to lockdown is kidding themselves and is just displaying their personal confirmation bias. For all that you'd have to agree given what we know of how the virus spreads it might be a good plan to stay apart in order to contain it at least in the short term until a vaccine arrives?
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Post by andystokey on Nov 24, 2020 9:12:24 GMT
Lockdown as a scientific experiment doesnt produce any consistent conclusion. For every blip down there is a rise somewhere else. When the rise happens it is correlated to the "flouting rules" narrative when the drop happens is the "lockdown works" narrative. It's the worst "experiment" of all time. The multiplicity if variables is huge. Some mass testing here, a tier difference there, a community hit hard the first time, a county full of cities here, rural settings there, a workforce of manual labour here, home workers there. University towns with students registered at their home addresses in a different town. The government are busy just trying to get numbers down but to claim anything is causal in this data set is pseudoscience of the worst kind. The proponents rely on confirmation rather than refutation. Lockdown as a benefit suffers at least six of the main problems with "ignoratio elenchi" *Assertions that do not allow the logical possibility that they can be shown to be false by observation or physical experiment *Reversed burden of proof: demand that skeptics demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that a claim is false. It is impossible to prove a universal negative, so this tactic incorrectly places the burden of proof on the skeptic rather than on the claimant *Assertion of claims that a theory predicts something that it has not been shown to predict *Assertion that claims which have not been proven false must therefore be true, and vice versa *Over-reliance on testimonial, anecdotal evidence, or personal experience *Presentation of data that seems to support claims while suppressing or refusing to consider data that conflict with those claims I could go on, However anyone that claims to say the various charts have any cause or effect with regard to lockdown is kidding themselves and is just displaying their personal confirmation bias. For all that you'd have to agree given what we know of how the virus spreads it might be a good plan to stay apart in order to contain it at least in the short term until a vaccine arrives? In the same way if you completely switch off the electricity to your house it's unlikely you will get electrocuted in there, yes. Downright inconvenient though. Switch off one or two breakers in random combinations often doesn't get you far. Funnily enough the sparky who came to my house actually did get a belt after turning off the mains. There were two supplies as it worked out. Assuming the system is always 100% infallible is sometimes a mistake also 😎.
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Post by Davef on Nov 24, 2020 9:18:11 GMT
£22B on test and trace and you still can't go out with a couple of mates for a quiet pint.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 24, 2020 9:22:12 GMT
That's not conspiracy or great reset though is it? That's capitalism, pure and simple. I would say it's way beyond capitalism. It's corporatism, which is another political entity in itself. And, as you mention it, regards the WEF great reset, economists who've tried to decipher the detail see the biggest hoovering up of wealth ever known, into the grip of these major globalist corporations. Do you actually know what corporatism means? What it doesn't mean is the world being run by globalist corporations hoovering up wealth. In all it's forms (and there are variants from a socialist, liberal, social democratic and even fascist perspective) it means people with particular specialist skills working together to influence whatever power structures are in place to incorporate the insights of their area of expertise into the decision making process and ensure they get their just reward. It is the exact opposite of what you think it is. There are people out there who want a world run by global corporations that hoover up wealth for those at the top. They happen at be at the top of those very global corporations. However their politics is entrenched in the extreme libertarianism that you're into. These are the people who hate the idea of corporatism because it means having to listen to experts (technocrats in your terms) and share the wealth that they have helped create. These are the people with an agenda against the likes of the WHO ,the WEF and altruists like Bill Gates because they are advocating a more equitable distribution of the world's resources and have a philosophy that goes beyond being a selfish greedy bastard in it for themselves. Why do you think Trump is so highly thought of by the alt right and features so highly in Qanon related conspiracy theories? It can't be because it's in the interests of him and his selfish bastard billionaire buddies to put out a political ideology that tries to undermine bodies and individuals like the WHO, the WEF and Bill Gates who would cut off their exclusive access to power and wealth? It's hilarious to think that you and your conspiracy theory buddies might just be pawns in their game. Well done you - I'm sure your puppet masters are pleased with your work.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 24, 2020 9:28:22 GMT
£22B on test and trace and you still can't go out with a couple of mates for a quiet pint. I've never understood how its costing billions of pounds to run a glorified call centre (with no premises). The IT system behind it clearly isn't that sophisticated so I'm assuming some middle/upper management people are getting extremely wealthy from this.
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